Amazing Horse at Slaughter??

[hessy35]

I cannot believe this horse was found in a kill line at slaughter. Look at his bloodlines, not to mention he is BEAUTIFUL!! I'm not advertising.. I just found him on accident while looking at an Oldenburg. This colt is just soo nice and with those amazing bloodline.. I had to show you racing people. I’m shocked he was at slaughter.. unreal.

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[Acertainsmile]

He does have a nice pedigree...so glad they rescued him!

[hessy35]

I'm also a sucker for Chestnuts with white.. pretty guy! :)

[Mimi La Rue]

I am so glad they rescued him! He is very handsome and chestnuts w/ blazes are the best!

The other TB "Comes A Tide" is a real looker too!

[I'm EBO]

Hessy, don't be surprised at the quality of the horses that are butchered. Beautiful horses go to slaughter every single day. Remember that Exceller was slaughtered, as was Ferdinand. The pro-slaughter side would have you believe that only the old and infirm are sent to slaughter, but that's just another lie. The killers like the young, well-muscled horses, and also like to send pregnant mares through in order to boost the price (per pound).

[county]

The pro slaughter side would have you beleive trhat I'm EBO? No actually thats a lie the anti slaughter side came up with. The pro slaughter side has always said the majority by far are young healthy horses the same as the slaughter of any animal. Why would anyone want meat from sick, scrawny animals?

[Sabovee]

Hey! My $600,000+ winning, twice VA Bred horse of the year ended up in the kill pen! No horse is immune.

[Floridarider]

Same folks who saved Little Cliff. I can only imagine the beautiful poor souls who are shipped off to slaughter. What a terrible tragedy.

[Floridarider]

The pro slaughter side would have you beleive trhat I'm EBO? No actually thats a lie the anti slaughter side came up with. The pro slaughter side has always said the majority by far are young healthy horses the same as the slaughter of any animal. Why would anyone want meat from sick, scrawny animals?

Actually you are incorrect. Jim Tucker from Cavel while being interviewed said that he was providing a service for Americans by taking the sick and old horses and slaughtering them.

[county]

And he beleives he is doing that, theres anti slaughter people who beleive you can give a horse bute with a broken leg and it still can run. Is that true?

[Lora]

And he beleives he is doing that, theres anti slaughter people who beleive you can give a horse bute with a broken leg and it still can run. Is that true?

Who are the anti slaughter people saying "you can give a horse bute with a broken leg and it still can run".
I don't think it is possible to give a horse enough bute to make a horse not feel a broken leg.

[caffeinated]

Who are the anti slaughter people saying "you can give a horse bute with a broken leg and it still can run".
I don't think it is possible to give a horse enough bute to make a horse not feel a broken leg.

LOL... a new member here, cloudyandcallie, has been posting that she took her dog's bute and understands why horses can run "on broken legs" if they've been given it.

[county]

Theres a number of anti slaughter people that make statements that are obviously false. My question is if a pro slaughter person does and that means all pro slaughter people think that way does it work then that any anti slaughter person that makes a crazy statement put all of that side in the same group? One way street or two?

[J Swan]

I've never been under the impression that only the sick and lame went. All kinds go there. You just have to go to any auction to know that. I prefer to think of them as unwanted; that seems to be a bit more accurate.

Glad this horse was saved - he seems like a nice horse. :)

I don't think a pedigree should matter that much - not when deciding which horse to "save". One of my horses came through New Holland - and though he has no papers you could not ask for a more wonderful horse. Not a TB though - there's no greater equine athlete than a TB. The ultimate sporthorse.

[county]

Horse slaughter is no differant then the slaughter of any other species of livestock. Never has been.

[horselips]

What you people are seeming to forget (which doesn't surprise me), is that there are, in fact, TWO separate "killer" markets for livestock - and horses:

1. Those marketed for HUMAN food.

2. The *DDD&D animals for pet food, glue, etc.


The "4 Ds" can indeed be old, scrawny, sick, infirm.


* Diseased, down, Dead, & Dying - which, btw, is what is used for racing Greyhound food. Or so I read.

[county]

It has been against the law to use horse meat from live horses in pet foods since the 70's.

[horselips]

It has been against the law to use horse meat from live horses in pet foods since the 70's.

I'll bet.
I'm pretty sure they kill the horses first. :rolleyes:

[county]

Obviously you know very little about the slaughter industry. When a referance is made to a " live " animal it means one thats slaughtered. When a referance is made to a " dead " animal it means one that has died and cannot be used for meat regardless of use. What can be used from dead animals is at rendering plants there many products are made from them. One of those products is " meat by-products for pet foods. Meat that has not yet spoiled is cut out and frozen in 50 lb blocks and then sold to pet food companies for varous uses.

[I'm EBO]

Actually you are incorrect. Jim Tucker from Cavel while being interviewed said that he was providing a service for Americans by taking the sick and old horses and slaughtering them.

I think it's pretty much guaranteed that Jim Tucker is pro-slaughter, yes?

And, according to some reports I've read, one of the TX plants is still slaughtering the DDDD. Correct or not? Although the anti-horse slaughter movement is to stop the practice and export of horses for slaughter for human consumption, the killer buyers are pretty much prohibiting the slaughter of DDDDs by not buying them. So much for the "altruistic" motives touted by asshat Tucker and his ilk.

[county]

And your point is?

[horselips]

Obviously you know very little about the slaughter industry. When a referance is made to a " live " animal it means one thats slaughtered. When a referance is made to a " dead " animal it means one that has died and cannot be used for meat regardless of use. What can be used from dead animals is at rendering plants there many products are made from them. One of those products is " meat by-products for pet foods. Meat that has not yet spoiled is cut out and frozen in 50 lb blocks and then sold to pet food companies for varous uses.


And obviously you have neither spell check, or a sense of humor ;)

I suggest you check out what is commonly fed to racing Greyhounds.

Against the law you say?
Since when did that ever stop anyone?

[county]

What in the world does spell check have to do with the issue?

If you beleive pet food companies use fresh horse meat go right ahead and beleive it I'm just saying what the law is.

[horselips]

Now WHERE did you get that I said pet food COMPANIES?!?

Nice jumper, there. To conclusions.

[county]

You made the statement in post #16. Me thinks your the jumper here not me.

[lrkrame2]

Okay,

So i know many are thinking it.. but its amazing how off topic these 'slaughter' threads get.. especially lately.. I think the OP was just stating how shocked they were at a quality horse about to be put on the truck. I don't think they were looking to get everyone rilled up (Again and again and again) Regardless of what the eventually killed or dddd or whatever the byproduct is used for it is still an unhappy situation from most perspectives... I've gotten numerous calls from the Kill buyer up here to come look at horses that were "to nice to chop their head off" ( and yes thats an actual quote).. People need to look at this as what it is, a 'dark' industry that is often hidden under America's bedsheets...

So lets not get all riled up at eachother and point blame and wag fingers... lets just address the issues, either offer help to these organizations, or don't.. its up to you completely and your not a bad person one way or the other for your views...

[hessy35]

Okay,

So i know many are thinking it.. but its amazing how off topic these 'slaughter' threads get.. especially lately.. I think the OP was just stating how shocked they were at a quality horse about to be put on the truck. I don't think they were looking to get everyone rilled up (Again and again and again) Regardless of what the eventually killed or dddd or whatever the byproduct is used for it is still an unhappy situation from most perspectives... I've gotten numerous calls from the Kill buyer up here to come look at horses that were "to nice to chop their head off" ( and yes thats an actual quote).. People need to look at this as what it is, a 'dark' industry that is often hidden under America's bedsheets...

So lets not get all riled up at eachother and point blame and wag fingers... lets just address the issues, either offer help to these organizations, or don't.. its up to you completely and your not a bad person one way or the other for your views...

Well said..

[county]

I honestly never have understood the mind set that slaughter is some sort of dark industry? We've been eating livestock since the dawn of time theres hardly anything new about it regardless of the species of animal.

[Rienzi]

Cows and horses are not alike.

Cows (bovines) have been bred for many centuries to be docile, dull-witted, and quiet. Horses certainly have not. In many respects, the instincts and reactions of horses are those of a wild animal.

I eat wild animals, but they are not first chased around a ring, jammed into a trailer, hauled long distances, put into a place where they can smell fear, blood and death etc, etc, before being killed.

To go through this whole process is much more traumatic for a horse than for a cow, because of the very nature of the beast.

[J Swan]

Uh - you haven't been around a lot of cows, have you.

They're not as "dull" and "dim-witted" and "quiet" as you suppose. Try handling them and raising them. There's a reason the Farm Bureau keeps harping on us about safety. It's not just tractors and implements that are injuring us!

[caffeinated]

Having had a pet cow as a child, and being around them, I think I would argue the docile and dull-witted... to me the main difference is agility/athleticism. But they seem every bit as capable of being trained, connecting with people, and from what I remember they were quite skittish. Most of the cows on my family's farm were very suspicious of people despite being handled daily (except, of course, for those given the "pet" treatment) and would scatter if they encountered a person outside of the routine. I'm not sure I'd call that "docile." Also seen them panic completely when one was injured badly and there was blood around.

You may see cattle every day and handle them, and come to that conclusion, which is fine as it's just a difference of opinion. But I've also seen this opinion from folks who have never been near a cow in their lives, and it bothers me. I really think the main difference between cattle and horses is the purpose for which we use them and the value we, as people, place upon them. Not really the main intent of this thread, but whatever. :)

[Rienzi]

Yes, I have been around quite a few cows. And there are some smart ones, and some mean ones. Also consider how little individual attention each cow gets these days -- hardly touched except for AI, shots, or to have a milking machine put on. Would your average horse be as tame as your average cow if it had that little handling? I doubt it. Horses and cows are as diferent as their digestive processes. (If horses had 4-chambered stomachs too, we wouldn't see so much colic!) They are both mammals, but they are not alike.

I could make an exception for truly wild range cattle.

[county]

I've been around cattle all my life and butchered 1000's of them. There not like you describe in the least and if you think there somehow differant then a horse when lined up at a slaughter plant you obviously haved slaughtered many.

[Rienzi]

I'm going to get off here now. I think I must be sleep-deprived. (Is there an icon for that?)

I would be interested to see a vet's opinion on the cow reaction/horse reaction question.

I'm going away now.

[Bluey]

I'm going to get off here now. I think I must be sleep-deprived. (Is there an icon for that?)

I would be interested to see a vet's opinion on the cow reaction/horse reaction question.

I'm going away now.

Yes, a vet will explain this to you well.;)

I am with those that think you have only seen cows in pictures, the way you describe them to be.:lol:

[Floridarider]

Theres a number of anti slaughter people that make statements that are obviously false. My question is if a pro slaughter person does and that means all pro slaughter people think that way does it work then that any anti slaughter person that makes a crazy statement put all of that side in the same group? One way street or two?

It is up to the individual to separate the truth from the lies. Each side has an obvious agenda, but remember that the pro slaughter side is financed by the beef industry. Their agenda is not to take care of the excess horses. They fear that the end of horse slaughter will be the beginning of the end of cattle slaughter. Of course there is no relevance, but the cattle ranchers are a rich and powerful type for sure.
As far as the statement that horses are no different than cows being slaughtered is not true. Horses are not raised as food animals, and since it is illegal to sell horsemeat in the US, the only ones getting rich are the slaughterhouses overseas and the companies selling horsemeat as delicacies. They don't care about the unwanted horses and they are not doing any one any service. They are just making piles of money.

[Bluey]

It is up to the individual to separate the truth from the lies. Each side has an obvious agenda, but remember that the pro slaughter side is financed by the beef industry. Their agenda is not to take care of the excess horses. They fear that the end of horse slaughter will be the beginning of the end of cattle slaughter. Of course there is no relevance, but the cattle ranchers are a rich and powerful type for sure.
As far as the statement that horses are no different than cows being slaughtered is not true. Horses are not raised as food animals, and since it is illegal to sell horsemeat in the US, the only ones getting rich are the slaughterhouses overseas and the companies selling horsemeat as delicacies. They don't care about the unwanted horses and they are not doing any one any service. They are just making piles of money.

Since when is questionable to make a profit from a business?
That is what built our country, honestly.:yes:

You also must have watched too many movies and read too many westerns, to believe that "cattle ranchers are rich and powerful". :eek: :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My goodness, what ideas people have of what they don't know anything about.
Like a blind man trying to describe an elephant, by touch.:p

[Equinoxfox]

Here we go, here we go, here we go....I do not understand why anyone on this forum will try to talk to "County" .. she does NOT listen and to be honest she is so for the slaughter of horses. It just makes my stomach turn. Please do not waste your time with trying to have a converstation with her... IT is NOT going to happen..;)

[lrkrame2]

My goodness, what ideas people have of what they don't know anything about.
Like a blind man trying to describe an elephant, by touch.:p

OI vey.. I'm just curiously trying to figure out how a conversation about a quality horse that was 'saved' from the slaughterline turned into equine vs. bovine attitudes and slaughter mentality???

I think that everyone who likes to get on here to bicker and battle needs to find something more productive to do... personally.. i have 90 stalls that need to get cleaned daily... Anyone wanna pass some time doing that????

this is a racing board... can we get back to the RACING?:eek:

[Bluey]

OI vey.. I'm just curiously trying to figure out how a conversation about a quality horse that was 'saved' from the slaughterline turned into equine vs. bovine attitudes and slaughter mentality???

I think that everyone who likes to get on here to bicker and battle needs to find something more productive to do... personally.. i have 90 stalls that need to get cleaned daily... Anyone wanna pass some time doing that????

this is a racing board... can we get back to the RACING?:eek:

Be my guest.;)

Don't need to quote me, I came to this after everyone long got out of topic and on silly tangents.:confused:

[caffeinated]

OI vey.. I'm just curiously trying to figure out how a conversation about a quality horse that was 'saved' from the slaughterline turned into equine vs. bovine attitudes and slaughter mentality???

I think this is why back in the good old days, Erin gave up and banned all slaughter threads. LOL

(I know, I contribute to the madness, but sometimes I see stuff it's really, really hard to ignore!)

[J Swan]

Yeah -that was a smart decision on Erin's part.

For my part -I hope this horse finds a nice home. If all of them had nice homes - there'd be no need to argue. Over horse slaughter, anyway.

Cuz the assumptions about cattle are way off. People don't even seem to realize temperaments vary among breed.

As far as racing goes - I think racing folks get just as peeved when people make outlandish and inaccurate statements about racing. Like Eight Belles being whipped across the finish line, or 90% of all TB's end up at slaughter, yatta yatta.

A lie makes it halfway around the world before truth gets its shoes on. that goes for racing as well as any other issue. I sure got hot under the collar when my mother called to ask me if I'd sign a petition asking that Eight Belles jockey be suspended for whipping her. No effing way!!!

[ASB Stars]

I haven't read the entire thread, but if it is about slaughter, County probably found it, started about other livestock, and with mis-spellings, grammatical gaps, and syntax deprivation, has you all going on about killing everything with feathers or four legs. :lol:

I do not eat cow. I do not eat horse. I will eat a chicken, but if I had to kill it, probably wouldn't eat that, either.

In any event, I am thrilled that my friend Christy S. saved another one, with the help of all of her angels. I am going up to pick up another one she saved next week, and give him a new life.

[lrkrame2]

ha ASB you pretty much nailed it on the head.. Could you PM me Christy's information? I'd love the have the contact when it comes to 'placing' some retiree's...

I like the quote Jswan with the lieing and its very very true..

[J Swan]

Thanks but don't give me the credit. It's an old saying - perhaps by Mark Twain.

I find it usually applies to most situations in which I find myself. ;)

Good luck helping those horses.

[Calamber]

Do not mean to beat a dead horse (please don' kill me for this pun) my sweet husband said this to me this morning to get my attention (no that is not what he meant):lol:.
I like JSwan's saying no matter where it originated but I also have heard that bad news spreads faster than good news. I guess we don't get much good news these days do we?

[Floridarider]

[QUOTE=Bluey;3233126]Since when is questionable to make a profit from a business?
That is what built our country, honestly.:yes:

You also must have watched too many movies and read too many westerns, to believe that "cattle ranchers are rich and powerful". :eek: :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My goodness, what ideas people have of what they don't know anything about.
Like a blind man trying to describe an elephant, by touch.:p[/

Perhaps you have never heard of lobbyists who represent the cattle industry? No, I don't watch westerns. I follow the political issues and see which senators have been reaping the financial rewards of big business.
As far as the horse slaughter houses, yep, the ones making money are the foreigners. What a boon to the US economy to fetch a big $300 for a live horse and ship it to Canada or Mexico. Then the foreign slaughterhouse owners make millions off of the measely $300 they paid you for Dobbin.
Rolling my eyes right back at ya!!!::eek:

[Floridarider]

A lie makes it halfway around the world before truth gets its shoes on. that goes for racing as well as any other issue. I sure got hot under the collar when my mother called to ask me if I'd sign a petition asking that Eight Belles jockey be suspended for whipping her. No effing way!!![/QUOTE]

I wish she had more room and money to save some more of those beauties. I heard it was a very sad day at New Holland last Monday. Way too many horses left for Canada.

[Floridarider]

[QUOTE=ASB Stars;3233201]I haven't read the entire thread, but if it is about slaughter, County probably found it, started about other livestock, and with mis-spellings, grammatical gaps, and syntax deprivation, has you all going on about killing everything with feathers or four legs. :lol:

Thanks for the warning. I see the misspellings already on the wall.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Bluey;3233126]Since when is questionable to make a profit from a business?
That is what built our country, honestly.:yes:

You also must have watched too many movies and read too many westerns, to believe that "cattle ranchers are rich and powerful". :eek: :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My goodness, what ideas people have of what they don't know anything about.
Like a blind man trying to describe an elephant, by touch.:p[/

Perhaps you have never heard of lobbyists who represent the cattle industry? No, I don't watch westerns. I follow the political issues and see which senators have been reaping the financial rewards of big business.
As far as the horse slaughter houses, yep, the ones making money are the foreigners. What a boon to the US economy to fetch a big $300 for a live horse and ship it to Canada or Mexico. Then the foreign slaughterhouse owners make millions off of the measely $300 they paid you for Dobbin.
Rolling my eyes right back at ya!!!::eek:

Ever seen the money the animal rights groups, under all kinds of names, have to play with, with no one to be accountable to?
Considerably more than ALL the animal agriculture groups put together.
Talking about WHO is rich and who lobbyies with that money. :rolleyes:
Click on, say, HSUS:

http://www.activistcash.com/

---"ActivistCash.com, a project of the Center for Consumer Freedom, provides the public and media with in-depth profiles of anti-consumer activist groups, along with information about the sources of their exorbitant funding.

Despite their innocent-sounding names, many of these organizations are financial Goliaths that use junk science, intimidation tactics, and even threats of violence to push their radical agendas. We've analyzed over 500,000 pages of IRS records to bring you a comprehensive snapshot of where their money comes from, tracking more than $800 million to date. "---:eek:

[Floridarider]

Instead, HSUS spends millions on programs that seek to economically cripple meat and dairy producers; eliminate the use of animals in biomedical research labs; phase out pet breeding, zoos, and circus animal acts; and demonize hunters as crazed lunatics. HSUS spends $2 million each year on travel expenses alone, just keeping its multi-national agenda going.
__________________________________________________ _____
I know - now you are telling me this is an unbiased report?????? The above quote is from this very report. It all depends on your viewpoint and your beliefs. I don't eat animals, and that is my choice. You can do whatever you want, but it doesn't mean that at any time I am going to stop trying to end horse slaughter. Go read some of the donations that Goodlatte received during his campaign. Oh and let's not forget the perverted senator with the bathroom fetish and his issues. Yep, politics make strange bed fellows, and their donations add up to way more than the HSUS.

Again, I thought this thread was about the wonderful save of a retired tb who now has a bright future instead of a captive bolt. Save me your histrionics because I am all for the horses and not for the slaughterhouses nor for the same old excuses echoing poor ownership responsibilities.

[J Swan]

A lie makes it halfway around the world before truth gets its shoes on. that goes for racing as well as any other issue. I sure got hot under the collar when my mother called to ask me if I'd sign a petition asking that Eight Belles jockey be suspended for whipping her. No effing way!!!

I wish she had more room and money to save some more of those beauties. I heard it was a very sad day at New Holland last Monday. Way too many horses left for Canada.[/quote]

It's a nice thought but I'M the one helping animals in need, not my mother. Some folks get their knickers in a twist for all the wrong reasons - like PeTA or HSUS alerts full of misinformation. So no, I did not support those who wanted to crucify the jockey. And I wish that some of the money these groups raised exploiting Barbaro's injury was actually used to help horses in need - a lot of rescues could have done a lot of good with those millions.

You'll find that pro-slaughter people are as concerned and active in animal welfare issues than some groups would have you think. The best change always comes from within - not from outsiders running around calling us animal murderers.

[horselips]

I've been around cattle all my life and butchered 1000's of them. There not like you describe in the least and if you think there somehow differant then a horse when lined up at a slaughter plant you obviously haved slaughtered many.

Who can even make sense of these words?

"There"? Where???
"then"? WHEN???
"haved"? HUH?!? You mean "halved"? "have"? Or what?

I take it English is your second language, then.

BTW, I said "pet food" in my post, not "pet food COMPANIES".

Go back and read it again, if you don't believe me.

Oh, wait. You obviously can't read any better than you can write or spell.

Furthermore, my POINT was that ANY or ALL animals going to slaughter, are NOT always going there for food purposes. Human or otherwise.
Duh. :rolleyes:






"So tell me Wally; how do you deal with all these a-holes?"

"I don't"

[LouLove]

Don't get wound up re: County's posts. I used to as well but have found better things to do with my time. He likes to chirp in on every slaughter thread and tick people off.

Anyhow, great news re: the horse saved. As mentioned by many, pedigree means nothing to a killer buyer.

[Floridarider]

Don't get wound up re: County's posts. I used to as well but have found better things to do with my time. He likes to chirp in on every slaughter thread and tick people off.

Anyhow, great news re: the horse saved. As mentioned by many, pedigree means nothing to a killer buyer.

LOL The thread wasn't even about slaughter. It was about the rescue of a lucky horse indeed.

[Laurierace]

Just for (my) fun here is a post from the message board on my own site from Valentine's day, 2005. Thinking of this day still gives me goosebumps. The end result was I gelded him and he went to live at TRF, don't know if he was adopted or not.

A few years ago I got an opportunity to purchase a nicely bred mare named Found Our Star (I loved that name) for $400. She had her last foal get hung up in her and had to be taken out in pieces and it understandably freaked her owner out and he decided to get out of the business. He was more concerned with her getting a good home than he was with getting a good price for her, that is why she was so cheap.
Her foals had done well at the races, but there was one that really impressed me. His name is Little Me Too. He won allowances at Saratoga and Delaware and a $50,000 claimer at Gulfstream earning over $200,000. It was because of him that I bought her, hoping to breed another runner like him. I put him in my virtual stable and followed his career online.
Fast forward to the breeders cup 2003. We were in California to watch the races when we got word that Found Our Star twisted her gut. She was in shock by the time the vet arrived and ended up being put down, so I never got a foal from her.
Fast forward to this weekend. I spent the weekend trying to ignore this feeling that I had to go to the sale at New Holland on Monday (today). I hate going there for many reasons, but mainly because I can't save them all and I really can't afford to save any of them. Last time that feeling sent me there I ended up coming home with a horse named Stretch Your Faith. How could I ignore that one!
I really thought in my head that I was going there in case those missing mares from the auction showed up because I knew it would be a fiasco and that Kelly would need all the help she could get if that happened. The mares weren't there and the sale was almost over and I actually thought to myself that it looked like I would make it out of there without buying anything.
In to the holding area walks this big 16.2? gorgeous chestnut stallion. He definitely caught my eye, but so did his giant left ankle, so I didn't think much of it. I then noticed that he actually came with his jockey club papers (most horses at this sale don't come with papers) The holder was showing the papers to everyone in the area so I decided to walk over and take a look. Imagine my shock when I realized the horse standing in front of me was no other than Little Me Too. I watched as he was purchased by the meat man and led to the kill pen. I have bought more rescues this year than race horses, this is definitely not in the budget. I am only one person, I can only do so much, I have done my fair share, I can't save them all. I went through all these arguments in my head. And then I said "Ok God, I hear you." And I wrote out the check for $400, just like the one I wrote for his mother.
So now I have a stud horse with a cantaloupe for an ankle. I guess I will await further instructions as to where to go from here. I think I am just along for the ride on this one. BTW we retrieved his papers from the garbage can after the sale was over. They saw that he was bought by the meat man and knew he wouldn't be needing them where he was going.

[I'm EBO]

Good Karma to you, Laurierace. Figure out yet what is wrong?

[county]

LOL, Yep its the typical anti slaughter people posting away. Lets see now theres the proper English ones, the oh he trys to get people all worked up ones, the ones that back track on their statements, the snide remarks, the personal type attacks, pretty much everything but address the issue. The best part is I never knew this forum even existed until a anti slaughter person asked me here for a veiw from the pro slaughter side. Many times on these threads anti slaughter people ask where I am.

Theres two sides to the issue and two groups of people. Since some seem to think all pro slaughter people think one way I'll go with all anti slaughter people do the same. That would be the ones who hope and wish those who eat horse meat will get sick and or die from it. And they feel shutting down the U.S. plants then sending horses to Mex. was a good thing.

Two differant classes of people. Pretty easy for me to decide which ones I'd rather be lined up with.

[Laurierace]

Good Karma to you, Laurierace. Figure out yet what is wrong?

As I said, that post was from 2005, he has been a part of the TRF program for three years now. Last I heard he was at the prison in New York, not sure if he is still there or not. The ankle had numerous things wrong with them. None of the injuries were catastrophic but it was obvious he had continued to race on them instead of letting each one heal and it kind of snowballed. He was pasture sound when he left.

[Moderator 1]

As per Laurierace's recent posts, please rein the thread back in from the general slaughter discussion, for which there are always several open threads to which people can be referred for information.

The slaughter discussion is not entirely unlike the barefoot vs. shod situation on this board. Parties with often diametrically opposing views both hang out here, so it's natural for those opinions to clash whenever related topics arise. There's nothing wrong with the discussion, but it's a problem when the same arguments repeatedly overtake threads about other topics that are peripherally related.

As we're trying to do with the hoof threads, keep the larger, general discussion off of the threads started for other, more specific topics.

Soooo, with that in mind back to the original topic. ;)

Thanks,
Mod 1

[moonriverfarm]

And one particular poster ALWAYS comes in and starts stirring the proverbial pot.
I wonder why he is not out rounding up the dogies instead of sitting at the computer?

The fact is that both sides feel equally strong and theere is little chance either will change. Livestock slaughter and horse slaughter are just different in this counbtry. It's like the difference between dogs here and in some far eastern countries. We don't eat them; they do. Culture dictates our sense of right and wrong with animal slaughter. And to me, in the US, the METHODS of slaughtering an animal who has worked hard to please you and has been handled daily since birth by humans, been brushed and bathed and petted on, are simply wrong, ethically as well as in a humane sense.

[county]

LOL Rounding up the doggies? Once again someone who has no clue but the need to decide when people should be on their PC. Sad at best.


I agree culture dictates what people eat some cultures eat horse I have no problem with that or any other culture. But if we should not eat any species of animal thats handled dailt, petted, bathed, and cared for we wouldn't eat meat at all. Some people do those things with every species there is.

BTW MRF I'm not stirring a thing any more then you are like I said on many of these threads anti slaughter people ask where I am. And its rare I enter one unless theres false information being given.

[summerhorse]

Regardless of your feelings about slaughter it is a fact that very nice horses end up there every day because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time (say an Arabian in QH country) or owned by the wrong (from the horse's POV) people. This is especially true with TBs it seems as a lot of racetrackers can't envision a life for a racehorse beyond the track OR just don't want to bother. But good horses of all breeds get slaughtered.

[Bluey]

Regardless of your feelings about slaughter it is a fact that very nice horses end up there every day because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time (say an Arabian in QH country) or owned by the wrong (from the horse's POV) people. This is especially true with TBs it seems as a lot of racetrackers can't envision a life for a racehorse beyond the track OR just don't want to bother. But good horses of all breeds get slaughtered.

Regardless of your feelings about anything, when someone owns a horse they can determine what they want to do with it, at least as far as I know that is still so in the USA.

Since there are no homes for all the horses out there, it is disingenuous to expect all the horses out there to find one.
Ask the rescues.:yes:

That some of those horses are going to slaughter, if anyone likes it or not, is right now one way those extra unwanted horses are disposed of.

Thanks to the sudden interest by those animal groups making banning slaughter their cause of the moment to gather oodles of donations with, the last few years and the misguided way everyone went about this, we still have slaughter, but now outsorced to other countries, not exactly an improvement.:no:

If you want to stop talking about slaughter here, better quit bringing it up yourself and not expect someone to answer.;)

[county]

I agree nice horses get slaughtered its no differant then any species of livestock not much market for poor quality animals in the meat world.

[DickHertz]

County, you have a forward slash in your signature in the word "doesn't".

[county]

I know, it doesn't bother me at all.

[Chiniko]

I am newish.. more a lurker than anything. Bad topic to jump in on. Please don't shoot the messenger. This is a tough topic to discuss. Like pro life vs pro choice there will be division. I am pro life, but I don't know where I stand on slaughter. Death has to be better than being neglcted in some one's field not every rescue has a happy ending. I hate the manner in which all animals are butchered, but I still eat meat, sometimes veal too. And I hate veal huts!
I love horse racing. BUT I hate some of the people and practices in it.
I guess my thoughts are you can't save everyone, as much as we'd all like to. They give their lives for our enjoyment. Never a better quote.