Badminton Coverage

[merry_one]

I am in Ireland for the next few days and was wondering what channel the coverage of Badminton is on. I have checked the local listings and nothing...

I have heard from others that the coverage is really great, so any help would be appreciated.

[Larksmom]

in Ireland. I think it is available thru Badminton site online, if you have high speed.I am having trouble with my POKY 56 k. The cc will not even load-after 3 days of trying, no interactive for me :dead:

[gabriellemg]

Radio Badminton is fantastic!!! Wish Rolex had a similar program.
I have been listening to both dressage days, and the commentators are incredible. They seem to be teaching and evaluating during the tests, they are positive, give a great background of the horses and riders, etc.
It's almost as if you are listening to a dressage clinic.

Can't say more on how wonderful this service and radio team Radio Badminton has assembled. Also you can listen to interviews with riders, grooms, and officials.

Saturday they have a free web cast for the first 40 minutes, then you are charged per minute.

Also fun to listen to their commercials which don't come on very often, so it won't drive you nuts like the thousands of commercials when NBC broadcasts Rolex this weekend.

Sure miss 90 minutes of coverage on PBS several years ago vs
40 minutes from NBC in an hour format.

Go to the Badminton Horse Trials website for more information on Radio Badminton and Web broadcasts.

GMG
Texas USA

[ceffyl]

In Ireland you MAY be able to pick up BBCi which will have live coverage of xc all day from 11.00am until 5.00pm.

XC day is BBCi and BBC Sport Website http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_radio/4341486.stm

Sunday is BBC2 and BBC Sport Website

Good luck! If you have Freeview or Satellite it may help.

[ceffyl]

Just noticed they also have an "International Version" - maybe worth trying in the USA?

[Drvmb1ggl3]

The XC on Sat afternoon is being shown on BBCi. In Ireland you need a Sky Digital subscription to get to get that, with the neccesary digibox and interactive remote etc.
The SJ and highlights/recap on Sunday is on BBC2, that is carried by most cable/satelite carriers.

The online interactive is only available to UK residents, so unless you are in the 6 counties of the island that are still part of the UK, then you won't be able to acces that.

[ceffyl]

There is nothing on the http://video.badminton-horse.co.uk/player site to say it is limited to UK only. It does not ask for a mainland address or UK only biling address for card payments if you want to extend for full coverage. Unlike Rolex which was USA ONLY.

There is a section to sign onto for 200 free credits to watch and this is a good way to try it - about 30 minutes of coverage. A friend in Eire has accessed it fine with no problems.

[pwynnnorman]

I'm getting "no video stream." Is anyone getting it?

[pwynnnorman]

Oh, got it now. Just in time to see Clayton Fredricks come off of Nullabor!

[IfWishesWereHorses]

Awesome online video stream!!!!! Yay!!!

[pwynnnorman]

I missed what caused the hold. Anyone here see it?

[LessonLearned]

Dee Williams came off at the Shogun Hollow. Horse went in too big and she landed at the bottom. Horse was okay. She was taken off in an ambulance. It didn't look horrible, but it would be the kind of thing that they would want to make sure her neck/back were okay.

[Regal Grace]

So says Radio Badminton. Horse and rider both fell (they are okay) but elminated. Did anyone sign up for the extended coverage at 5 cents per minute or are you just taking advantage of the 40 minutes of free viewing.

[TexasTB]

The Huntsman Close claims a victim.. Moonfleet and Andrew had a horse fall over the corner! Sad to say that I was waiting for some catastrophe at that combination.. not horse friendly at all

[Larksmom]

I just saw a blurry feed and Andrew Hoy had a fall of horse and it is elimination. Not sure what horse.

[pwynnnorman]

It was Moonfleet! He seemed to be all set for the corner in Huntsman's Close, but then took or drifted over to the widest part and couldn't clear it.

[Regal Grace]

Smart decision.

[pwynnnorman]

On, my! Now Pippa's out--same fence!

[LessonLearned]

Pippa's off Ensign -- two of the leaders out of the running.

[PolymerChem]

Could I get some help interpreting the fence results at Badminton? (http://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/results/2008_results/cross_country_fences.aspx)

Z = retired
F = fall
R = refusal/runout

What is H? There are some HZ's and some HFZ's and I'm curious as to the difference.

[LessonLearned]

HF = Horse Fall Retire -- Not sure -- perhaps it is the way the scorekeepers are writing them down? I can only go on the one I saw.

[pwynnnorman]

Ooh, Coup de Coeur is coming home tired, tired, tired. This is what I don't like to see. The hors eis barely making it... Whew, he made it.

But that's the sort of chance I think should be investigated. Not good for the sport. Something should be made of it, if only to make the point that it was a chancy thing to do -- and not with the horse's interests at heart. And OT with a broken collarbone, too.

Then the commentator says, "He's able to walk, he's fine...just a bit unfit."

And she was talkign about the rider, not the horse. What about the poor horse!

[Equibrit]

I am watching it for free on the BBC right now.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/default.stm

[Reds-n-Greys]

I am watching it for free on the BBC right now.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/default.stm

thanks for the link Equibrit

[pwynnnorman]

Mary King: What an exciting round! She's got her own style, but, golly, does it WORK.

[pwynnnorman]

Oh, drat! AND SHE FALLS!!!

Wow, I have never seen so many biggies hit the dirt.

[Reds-n-Greys]

a fall for Mary King, but she's back up....announcer says..."of course, she'll get back on!"

[Equibrit]

WFP had a RUN OUT over the bloody houses at the end !!!


I don't think the French are allowed to win Badminton!

[pwynnnorman]

OMG! Look at that: Fox-Pitt misses the distance (of all things, given recent discusssions) and gets a run out on Tamarillo!

[Reds-n-Greys]

rats! but Tamarillo came in looking great!

[Equibrit]

A GOOD day!

[Reds-n-Greys]

Top 5 after x-c

Nicolas Touzaint (FRA) HILDAGO DE L'ILE 44.4
Lucy Wiegersma SHAABRAK 45.8
Polly Stockton TOM QUIGLEY 46.7
William Fox-Pitt BALLINCOOLA 48.1
Georgie Davies FACHOUDETTE 49.6

58 finished x-c, 81 completed Dressage

[TexasTB]

Polly, please win :winkgrin:

[Larksmom]

I could actually watch it free with a 56 k and not much of the dreaded 'buffering' I would have gotten up MUCH earlier to watch! I didn't have a good pix, but I was very pleased over all.
Man they just keep on coming.
The falls didn't look fast. I didn't see the earlier fall where the woman was taken off to hospital, but it looked like everyone got up and walked off.
Anyway, now on to the Derby!

[LessonLearned]

It would be great to see Polly win! Perhaps this is the year that the traditional runners up get their chances! ;)

Although Lucy Wiegersma had a GREAT cross country round -- Shabraak is a wonderful horse!

[seeuatx]

Sounds like it was a good day :)! I agree, I would love to see Polly Stockton win.

[denny]

Anyone know breeding details of any of the top group?

[Reds-n-Greys]

Badminton page showing the obstacle and breakdown of faults at each:
number clear, who had refusals, who fell, who retired at each fence.

http://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/results/2008_results/interactive_analysis.aspx

[Equibrit]

Anyone know breeding details of any of the top group?


You may find that data here; http://www.sporthorse-data.com/breed.htm?z=AJCU77

[LessonLearned]

Nicolas Touzaint (FRA) HILDAGO DE L'ILE 44.4 -- Selle Francaise
Lucy Wiegersma SHAABRAK 45.8 -- TB
Polly Stockton TOM QUIGLEY 46.7 -- TBx
William Fox-Pitt BALLINCOOLA 48.1 -- TB
Georgie Davies FACHOUDETTE 49.6 -- Anglo Arab

(from the riders' bios -- click on the rider's name and the details come up)

http://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/horses__riders/2008_drawn_order.aspx

There was considerable commentary from the announcer that many of the warmbloods were not faring as well this year fitness/galloping wise.

[Drvmb1ggl3]

Anyone know breeding details of any of the top group?

Hildago de l'Ile - SF (FRA) ------ Uri du longbost (SF) - Trio (TB)
Shaabrak - SHB (GB) ----- Shaab (TB) - Polladras Lady Jane (SHB?)
Tom Quigley - ISH (IRE) ---- Edmund Burke (TB) - Darrara Princess (AID/ISH) x Flagmount Boy (RID)
Ballincoola - ISH (IRE) ----- Highland King (ISH) - Dawn Girl (ISH) x Kildalton Gold (RID)
Fachoudette - AA (FRA) ---- Kachou (AA) -La Bassondette (AA) x Massondo (?)

[Drvmb1ggl3]

Nicolas Touzaint (FRA) HILDAGO DE L'ILE 44.4 -- Selle Francaise
Lucy Wiegersma SHAABRAK 45.8 -- TB
Polly Stockton TOM QUIGLEY 46.7 -- TBx
William Fox-Pitt BALLINCOOLA 48.1 -- TB
Georgie Davies FACHOUDETTE 49.6 -- Anglo Arab

(from the riders' bios -- click on the rider's name and the details come up)

http://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/horses__riders/2008_drawn_order.aspx

There was considerable commentary from the announcer that many of the warmbloods were not faring as well this year fitness/galloping wise.

What is the deal with any eventer that comes out of Ireland being called a TB?
I'm not so sure that Shaabrak is full TB either.

[Shrapnel]

The coverage was AWESOME.

I got to watch Pippa and Andrew go...along with several others.

Poor Pippa :( I was really hoping she would get around well with Ensign.

Rooting for Polly tomorrow!!!! :D

[retreadeventer]

Tom Quigley:
Tom Quigley sired by Edmond Burke out of Dora Princess bred by Denis O'Sullivan, owned by Anne Hesnon,
TB cross

RID - 1992 bay gelding, part bred Irish Draught Horse Society, Ireland --2nd Tom Quigley (ISH) – 1992 bay gelding by Edmund Burke (TB) out of Darrara Princess (AID), by Flagmount Boy (RID). Bred by Denis O’Sullivan, Tallyho Bar, 31 Pearse Street, Clonakilty, Co. Cork. Rider: Polly Stockton (Gbr)

So it looks as if he is Irish Sport Horse by TB out of AID by RID.
Edmund Burke is American bred TB by Advocator (Round Table-Delta Queen by Bull Lea) out of Section by Ambiorix, 2nd dam Zorah by Nasrullah, here's the fun part, 3rd dam Gambetta by My Babu...

Delta Queen was 2nd in the Monmouth Oaks and bred by John Galbreath.
Advocator has a picture and pedigree here:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/advocator

He was 2nd in the Derby, 2nd in the Wood Memorial and 3rd in the Belmont, and set a track record at a mile and a half 2:27 1/5 in 1968...

Those of you with Irish knowledge, can you find the Irish side of the pedigree?

[Equibrit]

Tom Quigley is an Irish Sporthorse! (out of Darrara Princess)

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Tom+quigley&sex=&color=&dog_breed=any&birthyear=&birthland=

Full Pedigree

Ballincoola

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Ballincoola&sex=&color=&dog_breed=any&birthyear=&birthland=

[IfWishesWereHorses]

Did anyone see that scarey young french rider early on? oh my god..he absolutely fair caned it around without checking for the fences, and even the commentators mentioned dangerous riding!

If anyone has oodles of cash and is looking to buy a 4* horse..buy his. If it can still keep running and jumping with its ears pricked after being put into so many impossible distances, then imagine what it can do with a better ride!

Edited to add...check out Zara loading up and arriving at badminton:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tv_and_radio/7378118.stm

you have to wait to watch the HSBC advert first..then she is on after that. Her horse truck (van) is phenominal...250k GBP worth!

[JER]

Ooh, Coup de Coeur is coming home tired, tired, tired. This is what I don't like to see. The hors eis barely making it... Whew, he made it.

But that's the sort of chance I think should be investigated. Not good for the sport. Something should be made of it, if only to make the point that it was a chancy thing to do -- and not with the horse's interests at heart. And OT with a broken collarbone, too.

Then the commentator says, "He's able to walk, he's fine...just a bit unfit."

And she was talkign about the rider, not the horse. What about the poor horse!

This particular rider excels at running his horses into the ground as well as at crashing them into fences. Watch last year's Burghley. Brilliant bit of riding, if you subscribe to the theory that you learn so well from your mistakes that you can make exactly the same mistake again perfectly.

I feel bad for the horses he rides and I really wonder why people trust him with their horses.

[pwynnnorman]

Yeah, I'd heard that somewhere. Did he get some kind of penalty or set down for something recently, too?

[JER]

Well, he was set down by one of his horses recently. :) He was riding with a broken collarbone, the announcers were talking about it.

I think you're referring to his recent punishment for threatening another rider. Horse & Hound report (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/391/198564.html).

It seems he's a menace to both horses and humans in our sport.

Last year at Badminton, I was reclining on the grass in front of the Jumbotron and he and one of his friends sat down next to me. I got an inadvertent earful of what he really thinks. I concluded he must have another side that he shows to his owners and sponsors.

[Gnep]

I just used my free credits to watch Dibowski and FRH Little Lemon. What a dead honest horse and I was shocked how tired it was at the end. No gas at all, dead in the water over the last few jumps. Not a nice thing to see.
Who was the guy in the red outfit that completly lost it after the finish, is in the Dibowski, goes completly bonkers clip.

[LessonLearned]

I believe that was Paul Tapner (and his saint of a horse Inonothing). Apparently he was a bit miffed that the pesky refusal he had would compromise his chances of making the Aussie Olympic team.

I would think that acting like a child having a temper tamtrum would be far more damaging, but who knows, perhaps the Aussie eventing scene needs a "John McEnroe" type character. :no:

The French rider was Pierre DuBois. His horse is also a saint. I really thought he was going to get pulled off course for dangerous riding. It was his first time around Badminton and the commentator remarked that he hoped he learned something his ride. Just about every fence he took was described as the way NOT to ride the fence. He is a brave young rider but I hope he grows some good common sense to go with his bravery.

[ceffyl]

Zara's first ride Glenuck was absolutley stuffed from about 8 fences from home. He really hit the wall and looked dead on his legs. It was agonising to watch. And very kind horse who kept going for his rider.

Interestingly the commentary team said "she did well to nurse him home", yet later riders who had obviously tired horses and kept going (some not so weary as Glenbuck) were heavily criticised for carrying on. Now there's a surprise!!!

Both her horses passed this mornings trot up though.

[IfWishesWereHorses]

Glenbuck is a kiwi horse. He was produced in NZ by Paul O'Brien (blyth's partner) through to winning a CCI* before being sold to Sharelle Duke.

Sharelle was tragically killed in an eventing accident last year (I think it was last year?) and after her death the horse was given to Zara to ride.

He jumps so big over everything its almost like used his energy up in his jumping efforts.

[closetoperfectionfarm]

Can't seem to get the LIVE show jumping yet the site is posting SJ results now.
Anyone having luck getting the Live stream this morning? If so, where and how?

[LessonLearned]

I don't think it starts until 9 a.m. EST. Could be wrong though.

[closetoperfectionfarm]

actually, the final results are up now and I still can't get the video but won't spoil it for you by telling you who won!

[pwynnnorman]

I can't get the video either. Just keeps showing x-c. Anyone have it?

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Wow, I peaked at the results: just like Rolex. Zowie is stadium getting tough!

[kookicat]

Just watching it now. Yikes, there's a lot of very tired horses coming home. :(


Just seen Mary's fall- ouch! :( Very nice to see the younger riders doing so well though. :) Georgie Spence had a great round from what I've seen. :yes:

[closetoperfectionfarm]

Got IT!! Very exciting ending,.

[pwynnnorman]

Got it WHERE, closetoperfect? I hate technology. Why the hell can't they make it CLEAR where to go and how to use it?

[kookicat]

Anyone wanna know the winner? ;)

[Regal Grace]

is the winner! And yes there was a problem with the LIVE FEED. All I was getting was yesterday's XC. Live Feed did not kick in until Caroline Powell and Lenamore.

It was a very exciting finish and well deserved to Nicholas Touzaint and Hildago. Lucy W. and Shabrak were fabulous too.

I know there was a lot of discussion on the COTH BB of riders pushing on very tired horses and many close calls which did not make for enjoyable XC viewing. But just wanted to note N.T. did right by his horse on XC day which cost him time penaties but in the end it paid off on SJ day:

Quote Nicholas Touzaint after XC Day from H&H :

Nicolas took the lead after adding just 4.8 time-penalties to his dressage score with last year's Pau winner Hildago De L'Ile.

"I saw the other riders go, but I stuck to my ideas and it went more or less as planned," said Nicolas. "My horse needed to breathe in the eighth minute, I just steadied his canter and he finished in good shape and was jumping well."

[kookicat]

Full results here:

http://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/Events/Results.aspx?MeetingId=1863&section=000100010002

Looks like only two offical (shoulders/quarters on the ground) horse falls.

[JAM]

Two perhaps stupid questions about the results posted in the link immediately above:

1) Why are some people listed as Mr., Miss or Mrs., but others with just first and last names?

2) Why are most of the people who withdrew in or before show jumping given final placings -- they didn't finish, after all -- while one of the riders who withdrew in or before SJ was not given a final placing?

[kookicat]

Two perhaps stupid questions about the results posted in the link immediately above:

1) Why are some people listed as Mr., Miss or Mrs., but others with just first and last names?

2) Why are most of the people who withdrew in or before show jumping given final placings -- they didn't finish, after all -- while one of the riders who withdrew in or before SJ was not given a final placing?

I could be wrong but here's my take:

1) I think the riders who aren't British are listed by their names, rather than as Ms... or Mr....

2) Not sure about that- could be just a listing error on the site.

[LisaB]

Why so many retires? And why so many tired horses? I watched the video of the course walk and they've done everything possible to the turf. Just curious.

[kookicat]

Why so many retires? And why so many tired horses? I watched the video of the course walk and they've done everything possible to the turf. Just curious.

I only saw the short coverage that the BBC showed, so I didn't get to see all of the riders go.

I think a couple had lameness problems, some had run outs/sticky jumps and didn't feel like it was worth going on.

Tired horses- the time was tight IMO. They were having to move to get near to it.

[vineyridge]

Tom Quigley:
Tom Quigley sired by Edmond Burke out of Dora Princess bred by Denis O'Sullivan, owned by Anne Hesnon,
TB cross

RID - 1992 bay gelding, part bred Irish Draught Horse Society, Ireland --2nd Tom Quigley (ISH) – 1992 bay gelding by Edmund Burke (TB) out of Darrara Princess (AID), by Flagmount Boy (RID). Bred by Denis O’Sullivan, Tallyho Bar, 31 Pearse Street, Clonakilty, Co. Cork. Rider: Polly Stockton (Gbr)

So it looks as if he is Irish Sport Horse by TB out of AID by RID.
Edmund Burke is American bred TB by Advocator (Round Table-Delta Queen by Bull Lea) out of Section by Ambiorix, 2nd dam Zorah by Nasrullah, here's the fun part, 3rd dam Gambetta by My Babu...

Delta Queen was 2nd in the Monmouth Oaks and bred by John Galbreath.
Advocator has a picture and pedigree here:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/advocator

He was 2nd in the Derby, 2nd in the Wood Memorial and 3rd in the Belmont, and set a track record at a mile and a half 2:27 1/5 in 1968...

Those of you with Irish knowledge, can you find the Irish side of the pedigree?

Just to add a VERY useful British pedigree site for sport horses with far more pictures and even some videos:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/index.htm
It's better than pedigreequery or all breed pedigree, since it has non TBs with as full pedigrees.

If you're asking about British horses, it probably has them. I haven't looked for French sport horses there yet, but it probably has them also.

Shaab is out of the USA mare Chieftain Girl, who is by the Bold Ruler son, Chieftain out of Swansea, a Turn-To-Somethingroyal mare. I'm right happy my filly is linebred Chieftain. :)