What do you think of my Welsh stallion?

[Dressage_Diva333]

Hi all,

I was just wondering what everybody's thoughts are on my Welsh Stallion.

Bur Dal Lord Solomon is a registered Welsh Section "A". He is 11.3 hands, black with a few white hairs throughout his body. I purchased him as a sportpony sire, and his movement is very much like a full size Dressage horse's :) He continues to impress me with his temperment, trainability, and jumping ability.

But I was wondering what YOUR thoughts were on him as a sportpony sire?

Here are some pictures:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/March162008156.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/March162008133.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/March162008110.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/March162008008.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/April202008490.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/April202008395.jpg


Thanks :)

[RiddleMeThis]

What are his bloodlines and what has he done?

[Dressage_Diva333]

I just bought him earlier this year, so he will begin showing this summer :)

I think his previous owner may have shown him in halter a couple of times, but I'm not sure. I want to test him with ASPR, and RPSI Pony Division. Before I got him he had no under saddle experience, and he has caught on to that very quickly!

Here is a link to his pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bur+dal+lord+solomon

[not again]

Nick has done just fine against the horses....
http://westwoodwelshponies.com/id1.html
and he is as cute as a bug's ear;)

[Sakura]

He is adorable :)

[CrossWinds81]

He is a Very nice mover and has perfect form over fences! Only thing I would be concerned about is to try to breed to mares with a longer/more elegant neck. But wow...his movement is to die for! I'm not a pony expert at all, but I would be interested to see how he would cross with a petite TB mare. Good luck with him!

[Dressage_Diva333]

Thanks! :)

I agree, as with most ponies, he needs a bit of a longer necked mare.lol.

He is breeding a lot right now, and is quite skinny, here is a pic before breeding season started:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/Solomon-trot5.jpg


His neck has more shape then :)

[Tamara in TN]

What are his bloodlines ?

he has some of the fanciest old A blood left in the nation...which may or may not have anything to do with any modern endeavors...Coffee Pot Lloyd is buried here...

best

[Run & Jump]

Unlike Tamara, nothing in his pedigree made me jump up and down. For me, when I viewed the photos, if I hadn't already been told he was a Section A, I honestly wouldn't have known. He looks more like a New Forest cross, or something along those lines, in my opinion. While he has a super jump, I find him extremely coarse through the head, especially for a Section A Welsh. If he were mine, I would geld him and get him going on the pony hunter circuit, as it looks like that might be were his niche is.

In my opinion, only the absolute BEST of colts should be left intact. With there being soooo many pony stallions to choose from, they really need to be outstanding in every way to be competitive in today's market and produce superior foals.

Don't flame me as she asked for our individual opinions and I'm just being honest. For producing sport ponies, besides looking for superior conformation, movement, jumping ability, etc., I think it's extremely important to choose a pony sire who is exceptionally lovely through the head and neck and especially "typey" through the head. When often being crossed to warmblood and Thoroughbred mares, I want a pony sire who's going to help refine the warmblood mare more and put a fabulous and typey head and neck on the foal, especially with Thoroughbred mares.

[Tamara in TN]

[QUOTE=Run & Jump;3178973]Unlike Tamara, nothing in his pedigree made me jump up and down.

I did note that he was old type and not hunter or sport or modern or any sort of thing...the Coffee Pot Farm was one of the few that I wish had not existed before my time with Welsh...I should have liked to have seen them living....

best

[Sakura]

Thanks! :)

I agree, as with most ponies, he needs a bit of a longer necked mare.lol.

He is breeding a lot right now, and is quite skinny, here is a pic before breeding season started:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/Solomon-trot5.jpg


His neck has more shape then :)

I think he is lovely! Any chance he may see the business end of some body clippers any time soon?

[Rhyadawn]

Unlike Tamara, nothing in his pedigree made me jump up and down. For me, when I viewed the photos, if I hadn't already been told he was a Section A, I honestly wouldn't have known. He looks more like a New Forest cross, or something along those lines, in my opinion. While he has a super jump, I find him extremely coarse through the head, especially for a Section A Welsh. If he were mine, I would geld him and get him going on the pony hunter circuit, as it looks like that might be were his niche is.

In my opinion, only the absolute BEST of colts should be left intact. With there being soooo many pony stallions to choose from, they really need to be outstanding in every way to be competitive in today's market and produce superior foals.

Don't flame me as she asked for our individual opinions and I'm just being honest. For producing sport ponies, besides looking for superior conformation, movement, jumping ability, etc., I think it's extremely important to choose a pony sire who is exceptionally lovely through the head and neck and especially "typey" through the head. When often being crossed to warmblood and Thoroughbred mares, I want a pony sire who's going to help refine the warmblood mare more and put a fabulous and typey head and neck on the foal, especially with Thoroughbred mares.

I don't want to be flamed either, but I have to agree. Nothing about him got me really excited. To me he doesn't look "welshy." He does have a good jump and good movement, but it would be sacriledge for a welsh pony or cross not to. IMHO there are better colts out there with better bloodlines for a breeding program.

[Dressage_Diva333]

I didnt buy him to breed Welsh ponies, they tend to be a little too hunter like for me, and if I wanted a hunter, I would have bought one of the other ponies I was looking at. I dont do hunters at all, nor do I breed them, as my specialty is Dressage. Hence why he is a breeding stallion, he is different than other ponies, making him a very unique choice. I was looking at other Welsh stallions, but they were nothing special as far as movement goes. Solomon literally moves like a little Warmblood, which is why I am so happy with him.

I bought him to breed Dressage sportponies.

His two foals bed by his previous owner are lovely, very refined, and gorgeous long necks :)


Sakura, lol, I was going to clip him, but he has FINALLY began to shed out, so I'm holding off. If he's not shed out by mid-May he will definetly meet the clippers :)

A pic from before I bought him:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/oldenburgchica22/Bur-1.jpg

[Kenike]

I'm on the fence about him. I like his body, but his head and neck fail to impress me. There is also something about his legs that I don't like, but I can't put my finger on it. He does have a fantastic jump, and appears to have good movement.....
but he just doesn't impress me. Sorry.

(this is coming from someone who's with Welsh ponies pretty much everyday)

I'd be interested to see what Virginiabred has to say....given she's another Welsh person.

[sniplover]

Kenike - I think it's because his feet look clubby, at least in the picture of him standing, further evidenced by the mismatch between pastern and hoof angles - which may be due somewhat to the footing - hard to judge in the moving pictures. I also think he may have been backed into that pose, which looks a little awkward.

His neck is heavily muscled on the underside and thick through the throatlatch, which makes it look shorter and thicker than it really is, and I would definitely breed to improve the head and neck, if any breeding were to occur. I also think his shoulder is a touch closed with a shorter humerus, but the slope is pretty nice... I don't critique ponies often, so I'm holding him to a Proportions standard - he moves well, but it might be even nicer with a longer humerous and a bit more of an open shoulder (highly related traits!). The jump and trot are nice.

I would be interested to see photographs of his prior foals and what kind of mares they're out of.

As been stated, I wouldn't have guessed he's a purebred welsh... whether he's *really* breeding quality.. maybe not - there are lots of typey Sec 'A's that have that bigger dressage-type movement and a proven record on the market (at least here on the East Coast).

If he were mine, I'd hold off on breeding much until after he had some kind of show record and stallion approvals to back him up. It's a hard market right now for foals and mature horses.

[Kenike]

Kenike - I think it's because his feet look clubby, at least in the picture of him standing, further evidenced by the mismatch between pastern and hoof angles - which may be due somewhat to the footing - hard to judge in the moving pictures. I also think he may have been backed into that pose, which looks a little awkward.


That's what I saw, too. But there is something else that makes me go "hmm." I just can't put my finger on it, due in part to the looking backed awkwardness.