COP from one registry, "registered" by another??

[chrissymack]

A good question was brought up in another thread yesterday: If your foal is eligible only for a Certificate of Pedigree from a particular registry (which isn't "registration"), does this still make the foal bound to that registry, or is it possible to get a COP from one registry, and actually register the foal through another?

[Renae]

If you are talking about registries that operate under the World Breeding Federation for Sport Horses you can only get one original foal registry, in whatever book that foal qualifies for from the organization that you choose, and after that the horse can only be approved for breeding from other organizatiuons. IMO- for the absolute coreect answer though, rather than just people guessing on a BB, contact the registries you are concerned with directly.

[tri]

I think the question is, Does a COP constitute "Registration" with the original registry?

[chrissymack]

Right, Tri...that's what I'm trying to ask.

I have been told by the registries that a Certificate of Pedigree is not "registration"...so my question therefore is, if you get a COP from one registry, is your foal still able to be officially "registered" by another?

[europa]

Mine is not dealing with a foal but I have a mare who due to circumstance was not presented but I genetically proved who she was so I was issued COP papers acknowledging full pedigree............with this I presented her to another registry and got her in the Main Mare book. So, now I have fully registered foals from her. I have come along way from the original seller telling me "You will never get paperwork on her".

Sometimes persistance prevails.

[chrissymack]

Europa, thanks for your encouragement! Good to know there are options out there for further down the road as well! :yes:

I think what you are referring to in your mare's case of being admitted into the Mare Book is for approval (for breeding), rather than registration papers??

I'm wondering specifically about registration. On the ISR/OLD site it states that a Certificate of Birth is not registration...but does that mean that you give up your right for registration with another registry by getting that certificate of birth? Or is it just another piece of paper you can have for fun, and still be eligible to register your horse with another registry??

[europa]

Well technically then her foals would have been only ISR candidates and they are registered Oldenburgs. See my point. They acknowledged my COP on my mare because she was out of an elite stallion and a main marebook mare.

[tri]

Yes, but it sounds like they "approved" your mare so HER OFFSPRING could be registered. Was THE MARE actually REGISTERED as an oldenburg and recivied REGISTRATION papers?

[europa]

They issued Old papers and also stamped her COP

Either way I am totally happy as she has graced me with 2 exceptional babies and one on the way. Both babies are branded and papered Old. The 2 year old was presented late and the one presented as a foal was a premium. Pleased with all of it. Hoping to get another premium out of her this year from Escudo II but I will settle for healthy!!!

[Fairview Horse Center]

I think it depends on the Registry. My CPs from the Dutch and Hanoverian registries have a registration life number, so I believe they are considered under that "one registry" rule. I was told by the AHS that they would not issue a CP on any horse that had been registered with another registry, so that follows suit. Their website used to say, Registered with a Certificate of Pedigree. The ISR/Old CPs do not have a life number, so I don't believe they fall under that rule. I would check with them.

You can still "record" any of them with other registries for award purposes though, but for USDF awards, you have to choose one breed for awards.

[camohn]

A good question was brought up in another thread yesterday: If your foal is eligible only for a Certificate of Pedigree from a particular registry (which isn't "registration"), does this still make the foal bound to that registry, or is it possible to get a COP from one registry, and actually register the foal through another?

Well with the WB registries you can only get papers from ONE but working outside of the WB registries you can have multiple papers. FOr example a TB gelding we have has full JC papers (registered), can get APHA papers registered and does have RPSI COP papers because the sire was a colored TB dual registered with the APHA and presented for inspection with RPSI as well and the dam was also RPSI inspected. Not very many foals will have a situation like that though.

[arnika]

I had an older filly who was only COP from AHS, however once her dam was approved OLDNA main mare book the OLDNA registry gave the filly full registration papers.

[chrissymack]

OK! Got an answer back from ISR/OLD. They said that a foal can get a COP from them, and still be eligible to be registered by another registry (ie. AWS).
Good to know...:yes: