Cornet Obolensky?

[buschkn]

This horse has always looked lovely. Anyone have experience using his semen? Experience with offspring? Agent for frozen and quality? SES carries it, but no more shipments this year without a custom order.

[Cornetto]

historically his sire is renowned for having had poor semen I believe as well as a poor temperament. I do agree tho that he is awesome - he has also got some very nice sons coming up including Cornet's Stern at Paul Shockemoehle's and Cornet's Prinz at Klatte (www.klatte.de)

[fannie mae]

never heard anything negative about his semen quality.
same is true for his sons i my area (lots of them...)
offspring:

cornet strongly polarizes breedership overhere:
those who strongly stand by him and make use of him or his many sons for all of the obvious pro's:
type
exterieur
jumping skill
scope
and last but not least often a very good trott mechanic (excellent canter selfunderstood)

...and those who wouldn't touch him at all for often discussed issues of ridability and the
common understanding of "not producing amateur horses".

looking at cornet himself, his sire and damsire (all of them visible in intl sport scene) the latter is well understood and it is a fair assumption to make these features could find a well consoildated genetic basis when breeding to him.
if this is true for his sons or the majority of them still needs to be proven. their first get won't be under saddle within the next two years.

assumptions.

facts:
there are about half a dozen direct cornets in my area from his first crop - enough to judge from?
i doubt it given the large number of mares he was bred to.
3 o/o the a.m. half dozen mentioned have moved from amateur/semi professional riders/owners to professionals within less than a year, proving to be very succesful in professional hands. the other 3 o/o a.m. half dozen have been in professional hands form the beginning on proving to be very succesful.
as a matter of fact:
i don't know a single cornet (left) in amateur hands.

would i breed to him?
not until a broad number of get proves to be ridable in local sport with amateur riders and this years horse show season should porvide for some valuable information since the eldest turning five by now should present a decent number of get in yong horse and amateur classes.
my reservation is based on the simple assumption that there won't be enough "professionals only" around to provide for a decent bid in the market to absorb several hundred of foals per year at appropriate prices to justify a breeding and raising in the first place.
if i had a potent buyer on hand looking for a cornet foal i would certainly breed to him in a heartbeat and sell.
if i was breeding for myself and personal future use he would most certainly not appear on my list - not until the day the wide spread word of doubtful ridability has disappeared for good.
there are too many potent jumper stallions around who do work and have proven to throw get of doubtless ridability for the majority of riders out there.

[tikino]

hi there the stud that i have sent my mare to this tear has got 2 sons of cornet obolensky and i have got to say that they are both well mannered and at they same time a very talented showjumpers been ridden by an ametur ridder and as for cornets seman my friends mare took first time with his seman so no problem their althought i know the young stallion cornet sterns seman is not the best quality and does not travel. love from scotland

[DanniS]

There is nothing wrong with Cornet's frozen semen.
Unfortunately he is in high demend and he is unavailable until 2009.
His semen is also VERY pricey.

[FMulder]

One agent for Cornet in Europe is reporting that the semen is not of good quality. If there's an agent saying that, there will be some truth in the statement.

[DanniS]

I am also an agent for his semen and I have not had any issues thus far

[Kareen]

Please keep in mind equine semen quality depends on many different factors and is far from being invariable. A stallion may or may not have poor or good motility to begin with however motility does not equal fertility and you may see a lot of variation based on the stallions routine, management and present health. I would therefor not make any generalisations of this kind. While there are certain stallions with a history of constantly 'not freezing well' Cornet Obolensky is not in that column as far as I know. He also has a lot of offspring on the ground for a stallion that has permanent 'semen problems' don't you agree?

[DanniS]

I agree, thankyou for such a great post Kareen

[baywithchrome2]

I'd also like to hear any feedback about CO's frozen semen. I'd love to use him on a mare that I have that reliably puts exceptional temperaments on her foals, but at the price/dose, I'd like to know if it works (assuming everything else is done correctly). I inquired with SES and Carol got back to me very quickly. Unfortunately, it's not been purchased and used so she has no usage information.

[Rocky XVI]

There is nothing wrong with Cornet's frozen semen.
Unfortunately he is in high demend and he is unavailable until 2009.
His semen is also VERY pricey.

Too funny. Two years ago I started looking into getting Cornet's semen, and none of the North American brokers knew who I was talking about! :)

[DanniS]

I know what you mean.
I have had him on my books for 3 years now and the first time breeders here bred to him was the last year.
And there haven't been any since!

[Rocky XVI]

I think with Cornet you have to have a 2-generation plan - the first generation to breed to Cornet to get the jump, and the second generation to breed in some rideability. :)

[DanniS]

I can say that I have seen many Cornet's with good rideability.
And the temperaments have been good overall too

[Rocky XVI]

That's good to know, DanniS, because that was one of the main reasons that I crossed him off my list (mind you, I have Voltaire line mares, lol). I had heard the opposite, and the one Cornet offspring that I know of personally has been from barn to barn and rider to rider to try to get him "sorted out".

[Kareen]

Wow that 2 generation plan sounds pretty scary *LOL*. The Cornets I've met so far all had very good rideability. The ones that were hmph mostly had their problems when it came to getting shots or farrier jobs to be done. And then there always is the handling/training factor that can not be estimated too high. I've seen so many stallions being disregarded as 'producing difficult offspring' and most of the time the problem lay on the very opposite end of the leadrope as far as I could tell. Much like in obnoxious dogs which are almost always just poorly trained. Those Voltaire lines sound yum!

[DanniS]

I'm with Kareen on this. Considering I have seen many of them and none have been unhandleable or unrideable I would lean towards handler error too.
So many stallions are judged harshly IMO, especially by those who have never seen them or have seen very limited numbers of progeny.
Definately don't cross him off your list as he really does produce lovely kids.

Have you got any pics of the Voltaire?, I really do appreciate him.:)

[Rocky XVI]

My Voltaire x Nurzeus mare, Jimarilla, with her latest offspring:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=210ek5i&s=4

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vhff5h&s=4

She jumped up to modified grand prix until sustaining an injury jumping out of her paddock, then recovered sufficiently to do equitation classes, in which she was quite stellar.

And her damline:

http://www.paardenfokken.nl/family.php?horseid=60345

She's from the Wumarilla v. Gurioso branch of the mareline.

We have two colts from her from a Corland sireline, one of which is a promising jumper prospect and the other a hunter (sigh), and the colt pictured above is from an Indoctro sireline.

Thanks for asking about her! :)

I also have an 8-year-old Concorde x Celano mare that is currently doing the 1.40m jumpers with my daughter - totally a PITA to ride, LOL, as she would prefer to go around the ring without you touching her mouth or her sides (no spurs for her, haha!), but she is very brave and very careful and loves to win.

They have their issues, but I love the Voltaire lines!!!!

[baywithchrome2]

I am also an agent for his semen and I have not had any issues thus far


Danni - Can you provide us with any facts about his frozen... post-thaw motility, number of confirmed pregnancies, etc. TIA!

[ASBJumper]

Not wanting to hijack this thread, but... baywithchrome2, when I clicked on your website link, a naughty page with b00bies and other naughty things came up...:eek: :lol:
And I'm at work!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just thought you should know!! :D

[Hillside H Ranch]

Not wanting to hijack this thread, but... baywithchrome2, when I clicked on your website link, a naughty page with b00bies and other naughty things came up...:eek: :lol:
And I'm at work!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just thought you should know!! :D

That just happened to me, too!

[baywithchrome2]

HHR ... thanks for the heads up. For some reason, COTH is leaving out the hyphen in the address when it makes the link :-( Any ideas? It shows it correctly on the screen. The real address is www.avenir-farm.com. Might have to paste it into your browser. Sorry!

[Schiffon]

http://www.paardenfokken.nl/family.php?horseid=60345[/url]

She's from the Wumarilla v. Gurioso branch of the mareline.



Who would have imagined so many possible names ending in -arilla! LOL.
Gotta love that Dutch naming by letter that leads to so many made up names.

[FMulder]

Can you provide us with any facts about his frozen... post-thaw motility, number of confirmed pregnancies, etc

Yes please.

[DanniS]

I never provide statistics on motility of semen as each ejaculate can and does vary. The motility is not the most important stat, fertility is.
He has been bred to 6 mares here so far and 5 have concieved on 1st insemination. Which of course indicates that the fertility is very good.