The Fork CIC***W and H.T. Results!!

[clpony]

Any idea how dressage was today...as far as i can tell no results on website.

[Shrapnel]

Allison Springer leads CIC***W after dressage!

Leslie Law leads CIC***!

Boyd Martin leads Advanced with Ying Yang Yo.

Corinne Ashton leads Open Intermediate A.

Results are posted here: http://www.forkstables.com/events/0408_cic-ohd/cic08_results-coverage-main.htm

[yellowbritches]

What's going on with the advanced results? It is a little wonky. And a bit confusing! At first I couldn't BELIEVE that the dressage was so good that Stephen and From were 24th with a 29.2. I figured it out, just looks odd!

But yay Stephen!!! And yay for Alison, too!!! That's huge!!!!

[NeverTime]

Alison Springer and Arthur are leading the CIC***-W with a 38.4! Wow!
Mara Dean is second and Kim S. w/her gray horse is third. Teddy is pretty far down, but most of the "usual suspects" are midpack, too. Looks like a very competitive divison!

Here are the results:
http://www.forkstables.com/events/0408_cic-ohd/cic08_results_040308_cic3starW.htm

[CookiePony]

I think half the division has not ridden dressage yet, so all those 20-odd people in "first" have a score of 0.0.

[yellowbritches]

I figured as much, but my brain is mush and it just looks wonky to me! ;) I KNEW there just was not that many PERFECT tests. :lol:

[GreyDun]

I posted a Blog (http://useventing.com/blog/?p=173)on the USEA site.

It's icky, wet, and cold here... hoping it clears up by tomorrow!

[GreyDun]

Hi - I'm doing coverage of The Fork this weekend - posted a Blog (http://useventing.com/blog/?p=173)on the USEA site.

Not too in depth today, since I wasn't there for half the day, but I'll be there all weekend doing write-ups and photos. :)

[Shrapnel]

Thanks, GreyDun! :cool:

[pegasusmom]

Grey Dun - weather forecast for tomorrow is somewhat better, but Saturday looks really. . . .:no: Rumor has it there is a schedule change being bandied about.

[annikak]

I posted a Blog (http://useventing.com/blog/?p=173)on the USEA site.

It's icky, wet, and cold here... hoping it clears up by tomorrow!

I add my "thanks!" too- one of the best things to happen to the USEA- :yes:Love reading your blog! Almost as good as being there!

[Moderator 1]

We merged two results threads here to keep it consolidated.

Thanks!

[scubed]

any report on how those 100s resulted (I think that is approximately equal to a horse trial 70).

[53]

LOVE the blog - thank you!

[pwynnnorman]

Just heard they are going to switch x-c and stadium. The CIC***W will start @ mid-day each day with Prelim beginning the day and Intermediate ending it (if I remember what I was told correctly, that is).

[HT Mom]

It is more than a switch, all the show jumping will happen on Saturday starting with Prelmimary divisions at 8:00. And all the Cross Country will be done on Sunday, again with Preliminary divisions starting at 9:00.

The original schedule had Cross Country for I, CIC***#, CIC***, and Advanced on one day and Prelimin on the other day. The same was true for show jumping.

[pwynnnorman]

Images of the event and x-c jumps (today, Friday--or maybe it's "Mudday"): http://community.webshots.com/album/562994983YvgfvE

[Jazzy Lady]

Thanks Pwynn. The course looks really nice actually. It looks quite challenging, but more galloping and horse friendly.

[octavian_jazz]

Images of the event and x-c jumps (today, Friday--or maybe it's "Mudday"): http://community.webshots.com/album/562994983YvgfvE

Thanks! :D I really love being able to see the course, and I'm going to be there next week going prelim, and you got some prelim fences in your pictures! Now I am even more excited, they look so nice! This week will go by slowly...

[Firefox]

Images of the event and x-c jumps (today, Friday--or maybe it's "Mudday"): http://community.webshots.com/album/562994983YvgfvE


Great pictures!! loved the slide show, Go Teddy!!!

[Shrapnel]

Some results are posted here:

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=gcs&id=1456

[Bensmom]

wynn, thanks for the pics!! I love the way Max sets up a tack room :)

I loved the eggs hatching too -- very well done.

Hugh is JUST HUGE next to Teddy -- a real mutt and jeff they are :D

[DLee]

I love the 'behind the scenes' shots! Thanks! Here's to a bunch of safe trips.

[flutie1]

Is anyone else not able to get the results page? I get a message "unable to locate page." Frustrating!

flutie

[Jazzy Lady]

Is anyone else not able to get the results page? I get a message "unable to locate page." Frustrating!

flutie

they might be wrong on the Fork website and got taken down to be fixed. They were last night as they were getting the *** and the ***W results all mixed up.

[Stay Gold]

Images of the event and x-c jumps (today, Friday--or maybe it's "Mudday"): http://community.webshots.com/album/562994983YvgfvE

Thanks so much for sharing the photos!

[TB or not TB?]

I posted a Blog (http://useventing.com/blog/?p=173)on the USEA site.

It's icky, wet, and cold here... hoping it clears up by tomorrow!

Thank you for your excellent coverage! I always enjoy reading your blog. :yes:

I have to ask - did you get any pics of the inside of the main barn? I go to the website sometimes just to drool :D

[ZEBE]

Are the results posted for The Fork anyhere? I can't find anything either.

[shea'smom]

http://forkstables.com/events/2008/0408_cic-ohd/ohd_results.htm

[shea'smom]

huh. Buck got DQ'ed. Wonder what happened.

[ZEBE]

I was unable to get into the scores earlier- but it worked with your link. Just wondering... what's the DQ with Buck's two rides?

[NeverTime]

What about the 52 jump penalties on Megan White's advanced SJ round? That seems odd, too.

[LAZ]

If Buck was DQ'd on one horse he would be disqualified on all his horses.

[goodymar1188]

Well I am on my way out to The Fork... I hope it's worth my drive (a couple of hours). I can see it now... I drive aaallllllll the way there and everyone is withdrawing because of the footing...

Hopefully when I get back I can give you a slight report of what happened.

[LAZ]

I have no idea--but the rules for disqualification say if you're disqualified on one horse you are disqualified on all of your rides. That's different from elimination, which is just one horse.

[Classical DQ]

I have a DQ question. I am very familiar with scoring at events through the Intermediate and Advanced level, but I have noticed that the dressage penalty points for CIC's seem much higher. Are they scored differently? I can't imagine that these riders are only riding the movements correctly 30-40% of the time and receiving 70 penalty points. Please educate this DQ.
Thanks!

[grzywinskia]

:confused: I wanna know what happened!

Buck was DQ'ed as I understand it because he was showing a competing horse to a buyer after the show had begun. Someone else also got a yellow card in a similar incedent.

[McVillesMom]

I have a DQ question. I am very familiar with scoring at events through the Intermediate and Advanced level, but I have noticed that the dressage penalty points for CIC's seem much higher. Are they scored differently? I can't imagine that these riders are only riding the movements correctly 30-40% of the time and receiving 70 penalty points. Please educate this DQ.
Thanks!

Yes, FEI scoring is different - I don't remember exactly how FEI scores are calculated, but I'm sure someone else will tell us.

[pwynnnorman]

Buck was DQ'ed as I understand it because he was showing a competing horse to a buyer after the show had begun. Someone else also got a yellow card in a similar incedent.

You can't do that? I don't get it. What causes that to disqualify someone? Does it have to do with riding it? Surely, you can take a horse out of its stall and talk about it, right? What are the details of that rule, please? Thanks--just curious!

[retreadeventer]

I second that! LOVED the horse trailer logos. Wynn, you are so not a bigtime owner. Your outlook is so refreshing! I feel as tho you are just as "wowed" by all these big riders and horses and outfits at big events as I would feel! Really neat pictures. I would have taken the same shots! Thanks.

[denny]

I just had an call from my neighbor, very worried, who watched someone get some huge no. of penalties in show jumping yesterday.
He wondered if that rider would be allowed to do xc, as he felt she was totally out of her depth at that level?
Here`s another safety related issue, I`d think.

[arnika]

Off the top of my head, I would think that to get 52 jumping penalties it would have to include a fall of the rider. If there were that many refusals it would have ended up as an elimination. Same for a fall of the horse.

[FrittSkritt]

Yeah, but doesn't fall of rider in stadium = elimination?

[NeverTime]

Denny,
I'm going to guess that was the girl I asked about yesterday, who got 52 jump penalties in the advanced stadium. I'm not sure how a person gets that many penalties -- just jumping, not including time -- without being eliminated? That would seem to be an indication that your horse isn't on the right page to compete this weekend.

But in this case, the rider is no beginner and, according to his record, that horse has been competing at the intermediate and advanced levels for several years now and, under everyone (owned by an ammy now who goes prelim with him but always competed at this level by a pro), he's regularly notched 16, 20, 32 or more stadium jumping penalties while performing competitive dressage and usually going clean XC when a pro is riding.

More generally, if that is a horse's M.O. -- is competitive in dressage and goes XC w/o jump penalties but regularly gets 16, 20, 28 or more jump penalties in stadium -- as a trainer & coach, what do you decide to do? Lots of gymnastics at home to get it to pick up its feet, or do you decide 2 out of 3 isn't good enough and decide its calling is to give riders winning mileage at prelim and below?

[JER]

52 SJ penalties = 13 fences down

Given the competitor had 1 time fault, I doubt there were any refusals. A second refusal = elimination, so there would be a maximum of 1 stop. 12 fences down is not a significant improvement.

I've seen this many fences down at a proper 3-day, back when there was such a thing, but the horse -- a fabulous XC machine mare -- was coming off a clear XC in knee-deep mud and, even on her best days, had nothing but contempt for showjumps.

This sounds like a horse who is not up to the level. Which might mean the horse is fine at Intermediate, just not capable of anything more. Or this might be a horse with a huge heart and a physical issue. Whatever the case, I hope the horse's connections are putting him first.

[denny]

I bet that`s the horse John, my neighbor, watched yesterday.
He`s fairly new to eventing, and he was basically worried that a horse so unable to cope should be allowed to continue over solid jumps.
I had no answer to his concerns.

[c_expresso]

I do not want to make any judgements on this horse/rider combo as I know nothing about either of them, I will say that I know a handful of horses that are beyond careless in the SJ phase. But when the fences are solid, they pick up those feet and are totally safe on cross country. I know one horse in particular who is currently going prelim and often has at LEAST 3 rails down, often times as many as 6, but has never had a XC jump penalty, and is fabulous on XC (dressage is always good as well). Some horses are just that way.

[arnika]

Doh!!! I have to admit my brain wasn't functioning this morning. I really wasn't focusing on the horses that literally have learned that they can just bulldoze through stadium jumps. I have seen a few of them do this and are fine on xc.

I might have two thoughts on this. First, hoping the horse has been checked for physical problems and if they have; second, that it shows the rider doesn't pole them or use tacks in their boots when schooling at home. Which, by the way, is a good thing.;)

I can have no other comment since I wasn't there to watch.

[One Star]

You can't do that? I don't get it. What causes that to disqualify someone? Does it have to do with riding it? Surely, you can take a horse out of its stall and talk about it, right? What are the details of that rule, please? Thanks--just curious!

It would be an infraction of the rules if he a) allowed the prospective buyer to ride the horse, or b) if he was jumping the horse on a dressage day. Either would be a DQ or yellow card at the discretion of the Ground Jury, and based upon whether this competitor had committed this kind of infraction before at competition.

I don't know what happened with Buck at the Fork (and I'm very sad that he was disqualified), but I know what happens at our events in these circumstances.

[LisaB]

Re: the sj penalties. I know of a particularly difficult sj'er. Some days, he'll plow through them like nothing. BUT according to scores on this particular horse, the rider always gets him through with like 3-4 rails down. And he's not particularly careful out there on x-c on those days either. He's advanced and the rider has called it a day when these moments happen. I think it would be wise to wd if I were that rider. I would think it would rattle me plenty to see that many rails fall. I don't care how much of an x-c machine he is, at advanced, you BOTH have to be on the ball.

[NeverTime]

Any XC results yet? Anyone know who won the CIC***-W?

[denny]

Heidi White won. That`s the extent of what I know, that, and nobody got hurt.

[c_expresso]

Heidi White won. That`s the extent of what I know, that, and nobody got hurt.

Yay :D

[pegasusmom]

You can't do that? I don't get it. What causes that to disqualify someone? Does it have to do with riding it? Surely, you can take a horse out of its stall and talk about it, right? What are the details of that rule, please? Thanks--just curious!

Wynn - the rules are very specific that no one other than a competitor may put a horse into work after the competition begins. You may have a groom hack your horse back and forth to the ring for you. The incident in question involved allowing another ULR to get on and ride the horse (apparently a potential sale) after Buck had completed the dressage phase.

[pegasusmom]

And now, as we ahve just returned from Mudfest. . . . I will brag!!

First, hats off to the organizer and her crew - they did a fabulous job holding things together under less than ideal conditions. Today did remind me of the tractor pull contest at the Robbins Farm Days - all that was missing was the mule jumping and the mud in the stabling area is indescribeable.

SJ was infleuential, big course, with lots and lots and lots to look at. Great course design that asked all the right questions for the levels.

The XC course was in unbelievably good shape, well thought out and with one or two exceptions seemed to really encourage forward riding.

My son had every intention of not running XC (Preliminary) until this morning when we walked the course, watched horses go by and went back to buy larger studs. He decided not to even punch his watch, picked up a steady pace and he and his big baby loped around the course - double clear, hit the OT right on the money and finished 6th in the JYOP.

Now off to hose off all that red clay from our brand new trailer. . . :cool:

[denny]

Dana, you DO know why he did so well, don`t you?
It was the BRAIDING JOB!!!
(How are your hands?)

[SLR]

Congratulations to Andrew and Mom. Glad to hear the mud didn't sink the new trailer. Your friends in finally sunny OH.

[NeverTime]

Teddy and Allstar both eliminated? What happened? What a bummer. :(
Nice to see Bonnie Mosser & Merloch AND John Williams & Carrick back in the game and on their form, though. :)

ETA: It does appear, too, that the pair with all the show jumping penalties did, in fact, withdraw instead of running XC.

[flyingchange]

It just seems like too much to ask these horses to run three stars (albeit CICs) 3 weeks apart. I just don't get it.

[tlw]

The pictures are great. Thanks for sharing. Can someone tell me what level the jumps with white on black and white on blue numbers are? I'm used to white on black being training level but that surely isn't the case here. Thanks.

[secretariat]

RE: Flying Change, too much 3 weeks apart == it's an art getting these horses "right." Sometimes you come up with a Mona Lisa, sometimes a stick figure == who knows? May be a different thing on the same horse in different circumstances. We're struggling with that also, trying to do the right thing for the horse(s), the rider, and our competitiveness. Only definite is that we don't have an answer, but we're trying.

RE: Stadium, remember Mary King's horse King William?

[vineyridge]

Looks like Laine Asker was the only rider Advanced and CIC who managed to finish on her dressage score.

Given what must have been very sloppy footing, that's either impressive or fool hardy. Personally I'm impressed.

Did Teddy take a scunner to the water again?

[pegasusmom]

Dana, you DO know why he did so well, don`t you?
It was the BRAIDING JOB!!!
(How are your hands?)


Stiff, old and wrinkled! but I loved every minute of it!:D

Thanks SLR - looking forward to this summer! I suppose you are to blame for all the rain this past weekend!

Re: Teddy- Karen jumped a wrong fence on course. And it was VERY nice to see Uncle Carrick back out again!

[adamsmom]

RE: Stadium, remember Mary King's horse King William?

Ditto that. And I doubt there are any of you who could say he wasn't up to the level. :lol:

I do think 52 is a great number of rails down, but, it doesn't necessarily mean the horse is unsafe or will have problems XC.

[3dazey]

I do have to say, King William posted basketball scores in sj, but we mainly saw it on the 3rd day of a long format after a REAL xc. Though he was not particularly careful at HTs, either. But I'm just sayin'...

[Pandarus33]

The white on black numbers are used for the CIC-W and the white on blue are used for the CIC*** (not W) and the Advanced levels. We weren't running training level today so there wasn't a conflict of colors.

[Eventrgrl]

Looks like Laine Asker was the only rider Advanced and CIC who managed to finish on her dressage score.

Given what must have been very sloppy footing, that's either impressive or fool hardy. Personally I'm impressed.

Did Teddy take a scunner to the water again?

Heidi White and Northern Spy also finished on their dressage score. (which was an impressive 41.80 in the CIC***W) Also nice to see a lot of people who finished with too add just a tincy tad of XC time to their dressage scores, which is not bad at all considering how less than ideal the footing could have been.

[GreyDun]

Hi guys -

There's been a lot of talk about the footing and I have to tell you I thought the footing was INCREDIBLE given the fact that we've had three straight days of rain. Jim Cogdell and his crew at The Fork work SO hard to make everything run smoothly...and you can tell. The course was so green and the track was lush and just lovely (so green and fresh-looking, that I wanted to just curl up and take a little nap!). I didn't hear one single complaint... the crew worked 'round the clock up until today, and throughout the day, making sure that not one slippery spot remained. I was VERY impressed. :D

I'm writing up the press release as we speak, but everyone had nothing but rave reviews... great weekend for the sport! :)

P.S. Karen did not have a stop at the water...don't think she made it that far, unfortunately she jumped the wrong side of a jump. Bummer!

[Firefox]

CIC's are just Horse trials at the FEI level, so whats the problem with a three week span?? Granted a bit longer XC than the ADV HT but not as long as the CCI, tough decisions but made with what prep the horses need for Rolex or Jersey

[Bravestrom]

congratulations to canadian Michelle Mueller - 2nd in the intermediate B - she's our coach so it is great to see - but hurry back we miss you.

[benedict33]

glad to hear the weekend went well for everyone!

[pegasusmom]

Looks like Laine Asker was the only rider Advanced and CIC who managed to finish on her dressage score.

Given what must have been very sloppy footing, that's either impressive or fool hardy. Personally I'm impressed.



What Grey Dun said. We've been there in years past when the footing was intolerable. It was very very good and held up very well throughout the day. Not sloppy at all.

[UNCeventer]

The Fork crew did a super job with the footing and the fabulous tractor that was able to pull out stuck trailers and trucks! Fabulous job done by all.

[tlw]

Pandarus33: thanks for clearing that up. Those white on black number jumps sure didn't look like any training level jump we've ever gone over! They did look like they'd be really fun if you were ready for them.

[c_expresso]

Looks like Laine Asker was the only rider Advanced and CIC who managed to finish on her dressage score.

Given what must have been very sloppy footing, that's either impressive or fool hardy. Personally I'm impressed.

Did Teddy take a scunner to the water again?

What place did Laine end up? Alex has only done 2 previous events at advanced, RH and Red Hills 3*. He's amazing, love that horse...

[McVillesMom]

And it was VERY nice to see Uncle Carrick back out again!

Amen to that! I'm so glad that he's doing well - he's one of my favorite horses ever!

[VCT]

I must be missing something. I can't get any results at any of the links posted earlier in the thread. They worked before?????
Anyone have a link to results that are currently up?
I've tried search too and I'm not getting anywhere.

[One Star]

I must be missing something. I can't get any results at any of the links posted earlier in the thread. They worked before?????
Anyone have a link to results that are currently up?
I've tried search too and I'm not getting anywhere.

http://forkstables.com/events/2008/0408_cic-ohd/ohd_results.htm

[GotSpots]

Lots of tables, forwarding riding combinations: big, galloping courses, and the Fork crew worked their tail off to make the footing as good as possible. Also, a large number of frangible pins out on the courses: just about anything that could be pinned was. Due to the weather, they pulled the trakehner from all of the courses, and I think they pulled one fence from the Advanced course as well. Some of the greener horses or riders wisely did not go for time and lots of riders were prepared to pull up if the first few fences didn't ride well, but most folks got around nicely. Lots of smart riding, and a real pleasure to watch folks bring their A game. Philip gave a virtual clinic in how to make it look easy, and Clark's horse was spectacular. Mara's new ride screams big time: just a gorgeous combination and an SJ round that would put a working hunter to shame. Poggio's back and looks amazing: how great to see him looking about 9 years old and jumping out of his skin. And a bunch of new faces laid down great trips too - fun to watch some less well known folks do a fantastic job.

Though I have to wonder how many trucks/trailers had to be pulled out of the barns this afternoon - I've never seen mud that deep before (even though I swear from the look of the truck and the dog that we took home half the red clay in the county ... ).

[Jazzy Lady]

Happy to see Missy had a great round on her intermediate horse! So awesome to see her back at it after Red Hills. WAHOO! This will be a pair to watch out for.

Looks like it was a great day for many. Kudos to the organzers for all their hard work.

[Jazzy Lady]

This was taken of www.eventingnews.com It's a quote from DOC about Safety at the Fork. Lets hope this keeps up!

Considering recent incidents in the sport of eventing such as the fall of Darren Chiacchia at Red Hills (FL) there is an extreme emphasis on safety. "Rider responsibility is quite strong, and a lot of it is what you feel on the day," commented USEF President David O'Connor during this evening's riders meeting. "In the future there will be a lot more of what we call "dolphins caught in the shark's net" - officials will have to make a call that benefits the future of the sport. It may not work to your benefit at the time but you have to accept it. That is the reality of where we are - these guys are not going to take their job lightly."

[GreyDun]

Geh - finally got press release posted! Blog & lots of pics tomorrow...

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=gcs&id=1461

[pegasusmom]

Though I have to wonder how many trucks/trailers had to be pulled out of the barns this afternoon - I've never seen mud that deep before (even though I swear from the look of the truck and the dog that we took home half the red clay in the county ... ).


Everyone - no one tried to get out on their own. It reminded me of Farmer's Days and tractor pull contests! And the other half of the red clay is in my driveway now. . . .

[wabadou]

Did Teddy take a scunner to the water again?


Dumb question, what's a scunner??

[HT Mom]

I just had an call from my neighbor, very worried, who watched someone get some huge no. of penalties in show jumping yesterday.
He wondered if that rider would be allowed to do xc, as he felt she was totally out of her depth at that level?
Here`s another safety related issue, I`d think.
Denny, I know that the judge for Stadium Jumping had a long talk with the rider after she knocked down 13 fences. She said she was not going cross country so the judge did not have to inform her that he would not let her.

The FEI stewards were really watching everyone very hard in show jumping warm-up and the SJ judge during their rounds to make sure they were prepared for the level they were jumping.

[hoofhearted]

from dictionary.com:

scun·ner
1.an irrational dislike; loathing: She took a scunner to him.

[ponyjumper4]

What place did Laine end up? Alex has only done 2 previous events at advanced, RH and Red Hills 3*. He's amazing, love that horse...

She finished 3rd. I talked to her this morning as I too thought Alex had just moved up and she told me it was only his second 3*. He went clean at the Redhill's 3* but she jumped a wrong fence option that got him eliminated.