Courtney King's triple pirouette

[retrofit]

What a shame! Did she not know that it was illegal, or did she intend to do less than a triple & simply spin too far? Anyone have the scoop?

[slc2]

i'm sure she knows the rules. i think she just made a mistake, it's easy to turn too far.

[Eventer13]

Just curious, why did they make that rule? They used to allow them, didn't they?

[TropicalStorm]

I was always curious about that too...what's the reasoning behind having such a rule?

[Eclectic Horseman]

What a shame! Did she not know that it was illegal, or did she intend to do less than a triple & simply spin too far? Anyone have the scoop?

From dressagedaily.com

"King-Dye told Lieser. 'Idocus was a really good boy. He's really proud of himself. I won’t make that mistake again for certain. I came into the pirouette kind of funny. He turned really quickly, and I was riding the horse and listening to my music and not counting. I think that’s a good thing. I got a little bit ahead of the music, and I wasn’t certain if I’d done one pirouette or two. It felt like I’d just done one.' It was obvious from King-Dye's expression on her face that she did not realize at the time she had made the mistake. Idocus continued his ride in perfect obedience of the rider's aids."

Aaaaaaaarrrgh!

[Brigit]

Can I ask why triple pirouettes aren't allowed?

[retrofit]

Thanks, I guess I missed that on Dressage Daily.

[dsgshowmom]

I think I recall last year at the World Cup that Axil Steiner said that they no longer allowed a triple canter pirouette because it put too much strain on the haunches. I could be wrong though.

[Tiki]

There's a blurb on Eurodressage where the judges or officials were also very upset about it and want to change the rules to read 'an error of course' instead of an illegal movement and they felt equally bad about the severe penalty for such a simple mistake, but it's too late for this World Cup. :sadsmile:

[slc2]

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[J-Lu]

I think I recall last year at the World Cup that Axil Steiner said that they no longer allowed a triple canter pirouette because it put too much strain on the haunches. I could be wrong though.

I think the strain on the haunches is exactly why they aren't allowed. Alot of people think that the canter pirouettes is one of the most physically difficult (in terms of wear and tear) movements on the hocks in the GP test.

[J-Lu]

*removed*

THis contributes to the conversation....how? You need to add the first snarky comment to the thread.....why?

Let's try to stay positive.

[ridgeback]

THis contributes to the conversation....how? You need to add the first snarky comment to the thread.....why?

Let's try to stay positive.


Aren't you asking to much? LOL

[PFMJ]

I really don't understand the comment about judges making up their own rules. For our country, it is pretty obvious that the USEF, has their rule book, and there is no way that the judges make up their own rules. The FEI is the same.

Really negative.

[~Freedom~]

I think the strain on the haunches is exactly why they aren't allowed. Alot of people think that the canter pirouettes is one of the most physically difficult (in terms of wear and tear) movements on the hocks in the GP test.

I have always considered this movement as the most difficult of all the FEI movements. Requires co ordination of the use of the riders aids and a horse perfectly balanced and completely on the aids to do it right.

Double this or triple it and it becomes even that much more difficult.

[slc2]

ok, comment removed.

[amastrike]

Canter pirouettes may be complicated and difficult and all that.. but I think they're really unattractive. I always zone out during them when watching a test with them.

[Dressage Art]

Canter pirouettes may be complicated and difficult and all that.. but I think they're really unattractive. I always zone out during them when watching a test with them.

My fav. movement by far! Love to watch them! Actually my biggest goal for dressage is to learn how to ride a full canter pirouette correctly. If I’ll ever will do that, that will be the culmination of my dressage riding.

[magnum]

What a great attitude King-Dye seems to have about EVERYTHING (I do not know her personally).

This is the beauty of being YOUNG. You can make mistakes and that is what makes you better later on. When you get older, you've BTDT and you don't repeat these types of errors. GOOD FOR HER for building up her list of experiences!

Magnum

[PiaffeDreams]

Its my understanding that triple, quadruple etc. pirouettes aren't allowed for the additional reason that it begins to take away from the artistry and become more of a "who can do more" contest. When you watch a ballet for example, its not how many leaps the dancer can link in a row, but they connect them to other movements. Otherwise, why stop at 12-15 steps of piaffe and not go for 20 or 30? A can of worms would emerge and take away from the sport.

Or perhaps we could make our sport more TV friendly like Major League Baseball and have an "All-Star Game" where the riders do an exhibition Grand Prix test, and then some isolated big $$ 'skills' contests.

~ who could do the most steps of piaffe
~ most pirouettes
~ get a fresh bit of sand and do extensions measuring the stride length and height of the foreleg
~ one tempis through a serpentine course of cones and as soon as you miss one you are out...

** totally kidding on that of course!!!!

[flyracing]

Its my understanding that triple, quadruple etc. pirouettes aren't allowed for the additional reason that it begins to take away from the artistry and become more of a "who can do more" contest. When you watch a ballet for example, its not how many leaps the dancer can link in a row, but they connect them to other movements. Otherwise, why stop at 12-15 steps of piaffe and not go for 20 or 30? A can of worms would emerge and take away from the sport.

Or perhaps we could make our sport more TV friendly like Major League Baseball and have an "All-Star Game" where the riders do an exhibition Grand Prix test, and then some isolated big $$ 'skills' contests.

~ who could do the most steps of piaffe
~ most pirouettes
~ get a fresh bit of sand and do extensions measuring the stride length and height of the foreleg
~ one tempis through a serpentine course of cones and as soon as you miss one you are out...

** totally kidding on that of course!!!!

:lol: :lol: But the one tempis course would be fun!! It would be a cool exhibition! (I can't think of how this would hurt the horse like "who can do the most piaffe steps", because it would go forever like the others. It's like high jump competitions in showjumping)

[PiaffeDreams]

:lol: :lol: But the one tempis course would be fun!! It would be a cool exhibition! (I can't think of how this would hurt the horse like "who can do the most piaffe steps", because it would go forever like the others. It's like high jump competitions in showjumping)

At the Golega horse fair in Portugal they already do piaffe contests. Apparently they go late into the night with horses going around and around the town square in passage and sitting doing piaffe for incredible lengths of time.... but then again they are Iberian horses. :winkgrin:

[Albion]

When you watch a ballet for example, its not how many leaps the dancer can link in a row, but they connect them to other movements. Otherwise, why stop at 12-15 steps of piaffe and not go for 20 or 30? A can of worms would emerge and take away from the sport.

Oh now, THAT'S not true. Look at the 32 fouettés en tournant - it may be a standard requirement now of certain grand pas, but it certainly wasn't the first time they were performed. The ballerina that made them famous got famous BECAUSE she outdid everyone else.

[Rusty Stirrup]

I heard that they limited the pirouettes so that they wouldn't become like a reining spin and lose the form and tempo. I don't know if that's the correct reason but it always kinda made sense to me.

[yaya]

Its my understanding that triple, quadruple etc. pirouettes aren't allowed for the additional reason that it begins to take away from the artistry and become more of a "who can do more" contest. When you watch a ballet for example, its not how many leaps the dancer can link in a row, but they connect them to other movements. Otherwise, why stop at 12-15 steps of piaffe and not go for 20 or 30? A can of worms would emerge and take away from the sport.



Dressage always seems to be compared to figure skating, and that is pretty much what figure skating has become - a whole string of tricks and jumps, and the ones who can do the most triple and quad jumps wins. It is no longer the artistry on ice it was.

[freestyle2music]

:confused:Dressage always seems to be compared to figure skating, and that is pretty much what figure skating has become - a whole string of tricks and jumps, and the ones who can do the most triple and quad jumps wins. It is no longer the artistry on ice it was.

I always hate the fact that dressage is compared to figure skating,

BECAUSE IT IS RIDICULOUS.:yes:

Six Legs and two total different kind of brains :yes::cool:;) can't be compared to anything else.

[MyReality]

Exactly.

[Kimberlee]

:confused:

I always hate the fact that dressage is compared to figure skating,

BECAUSE IT IS RIDICULOUS.:yes:

Six Legs and two total different kind of brains :yes::cool:;) can't be compared to anything else.

Yeah, but when explaining dressage to a completly non-horsey person what do you compare dressage to so that person get's it?

[Eclectic Horseman]

Yeah, but when explaining dressage to a completly non-horsey person what do you compare dressage to so that person get's it?

Ballet. See the thread on this board about the Japanese Olympian. The Japanese and Spanish authors of a wall street journal article use some very creative language to describe dressage. :cool: