Turning over rocks: Dressage horse shopping on a budget

[Ibex]

Good news: I'm starting to look for my own horse.

Bad news: I'm very much on a budget! :lol:

I'm going to be looking for:
- WB/WBx or TB/TBx. Draft crosses are nice, but don't "do it" for me.
- Youngish, started, but green.
- Something that has the potential to hold their own at the local rated shows. Not looking for an FEI prospect (I WISH I were looking for a highly bred FEI prospect, but it's not going to happen on my budget).
- Appropriately sized for a rider with long legs


So far I've seen some good potentials that are:
- Decently bred young mares who have put a foal or two on the ground, but are 6-7 years old and green, and priced accordingly
- OTTBs that have been restarted
- Some "interesting" WB crosses (i.e. Dutch/TB/Saddlebred/Pinto), but still look like they could do the job
- Decently bred, but ranch raised and not **really** started 3-4yos

I'm comfortable with any of these options (for the right horse I'll spend some money on training), but am still checking out additional avenues.

So what are some of the "off the beaten path" places you look for horses when you're shopping on a budget? How about some slightly "off" crosses that you've had success with? Any routes you would avoid?

[EqTrainer]

"i.e. Dutch/TB/Saddlebred/Pinto"

:lol: I think I know the horse you are referring to, one of my clients went to go see him. PM me if you want more info.

Seriously now, I would definately look at off-breeds and unstarted horses. I have a client who recently bought a two year old ASB who is lovely with unlimited potential.. and the nicest horse on our farm right now is a WB/Appendix QHx.. close second is the TB/Appendix QHx. Both horses were purchased on a budget and have exceeded my expectations for them.

Personally, I would avoid anything with draft in it but that is just me and my preferences.

[Ibex]

"i.e. Dutch/TB/Saddlebred/Pinto"

:lol: I think I know the horse you are referring to, one of my clients went to go see him. PM me if you want more info.

Seriously now, I would definately look at off-breeds and unstarted horses. I have a client who recently bought a two year old ASB who is lovely with unlimited potential.. and the nicest horse on our farm right now is a WB/Appendix QHx.. close second is the TB/Appendix QHx. Both horses were purchased on a budget and have exceeded my expectations for them.

Personally, I would avoid anything with draft in it but that is just me and my preferences.

OMG - I made that up to get the point across (and is actually less scary than some of the crosses I've seen). That being said, there's a VERY cute Saddlebred/WB cross locally that I wouldn't turn my nose up at...

[sublimequine]

Old-style Saddlebreds and NSHs make excellent Dressage mounts. If you can find one that was specifically bred to be 3-gaited, or even better, wasn't specifically bred for Saddleseat at all and is thus a bit stockier with a better brain, their natural action translates to Dressage extremely well.

Good luck finding an inexpensive purebred WB. They're so ridiculously overpriced it's ludricrous. Not that I'd ever buy one.. they're probably my LEAST favorite breed TBH. :lol:

[Ambrey]

Personally, I would avoid anything with draft in it but that is just me and my preferences.

Smokey says "grrrrrr."

But seriously, why not an OTTB? Those Canter Cuties posts always get me drooling!

I love my draftx for his combination of suitability to the job and price point, but he's definitely heavier than a lot of people like. I've seen many nice 2nd generation draftx, though they tend to be pricier.

And QH/Appendix QH could work as well.

Good luck!

[sublimequine]

Smokey says "grrrrrr."

But seriously, why not an OTTB? Those Canter Cuties posts always get me drooling!

I love my draftx for his combination of suitability to the job and price point, but he's definitely heavier than a lot of people like. I've seen many nice 2nd generation draftx, though they tend to be pricier.

And QH/Appendix QH could work as well.

Good luck!

I can say first-hand QHs are not very good Dressage mounts.. unless perhaps you went for the HUS-type QHs that are like 17hh and all leg. But even still, they have a tendency to be flat movers and downhill. I know from experience. :lol:

[Ambrey]

I can say first-hand QHs are not very good Dressage mounts.. unless perhaps you went for the HUS-type QHs that are like 17hh and all leg. But even still, they have a tendency to be flat movers and downhill. I know from experience. :lol:

LOL, I know a few people who have done nicely in Dressage with quarter horses. Like any "off breed," you just have to find the right one.

[Salty]

How's this for unlikely: Appy, TB & QH! But uphill, with 3 good gaits & a good mind. (And spots...) Ya just have to keep turning over them rox.

[sublimequine]

LOL, I know a few people who have done nicely in Dressage with quarter horses. Like any "off breed," you just have to find the right one.

I suppose you're right. I might be a bit biased, as my 15hh at the withers, 15.1hh at the butt, bulldog-style, head-between-the-knees QH hated every moment of Dressage I pushed on her. :lol:

You're right though, not all QHs are like mine. :):yes:

[EqTrainer]

LOL, I know a few people who have done nicely in Dressage with quarter horses. Like any "off breed," you just have to find the right one.

My QH is 16h, extra wide tree saddle, built uphill, incredible gaits - Cesar Parra repeatedly asked me where I had imported him from.

Pittsboro, NC!

If I can fault him, it's that his neck is a little bit straight. But it comes out of his great, light shoulder perfectly.

And I should add, he looked like a FREAK at 4 years old.

[ASB Stars]

Old-style Saddlebreds and NSHs make excellent Dressage mounts. If you can find one that was specifically bred to be 3-gaited, or even better, wasn't specifically bred for Saddleseat at all and is thus a bit stockier with a better brain, their natural action translates to Dressage extremely well.:

Actually, this one was bred by a VERY BNT in the ASB world, but they sold me the mare in foal before he was born...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/Borealistrot.jpg

This one is bred to be a five gaited horse- his Daddy is the leading sire of five gaited World Champions...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/DSC_0044.jpg

And this one won his class at Dressage at Devon three years running...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/Infuriating.jpg

They compare very favorably to the Dutch horses who are infused with so much nice TB blood these days, they will give you 110%, and they are loffly to sit on. Oh, yeah, and they won't break the bank. Yet. :winkgrin:

[sublimequine]

ASB; And they're the stockier built ASBs I was referring to, not like this:

http://www.arabianbreeders.net/Forums/uploads/monthly_12_2007/post-613-1196567910_thumb.jpg

That's what I was referring to. I should've clarified further. :lol:

(The link says 'arabian breeders', but that is a purebred ASB stallion, they were talking about good SBs to make NSHs with.)

[Ibex]

Actually, this one was bred by a VERY BNT in the ASB world, but they sold me the mare in foal before he was born...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/Borealistrot.jpg

This one is bred to be a five gaited horse- his Daddy is the leading sire of five gaited World Champions...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/DSC_0044.jpg

And this one won his class at Dressage at Devon three years running...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/Infuriating.jpg

They compare very favorably to the Dutch horses who are infused with so much nice TB blood these days, they will give you 110%, and they are loffly to sit on. Oh, yeah, and they won't break the bank. Yet. :winkgrin:

ASB Stars.... I don't think those horses are appropriate at all. Why don't I take one (any one, I don't care!) off your hands for you so you don't have to look at them any more? :winkgrin: :lol:

[Hoofprince in Mud]

Morgans. Eager to learn. Fun to ride. Opinionated.

The Original American Sport Horse.

[Spectrum]

I always tell people if they want to find a nice and relatively cheap horse, they need to be shopping in Minnesota!

After living in Vermont and Texas, it blows my mind how easy it is to find really nice, sound horses that are well-started for under 15k (and quite frankly, I see a ton of them for under 10k and even under 5k if I really hunt for a while).

True, not all horses in MN are cheap, but I bet I see at least one really nice horse a month here that is offered for under $7,500.

Spectrum.

[EqTrainer]

ASB Stars.... I don't think those horses are appropriate at all. Why don't I take one (any one, I don't care!) off your hands for you so you don't have to look at them any more? :winkgrin: :lol:

I guess it's time to say that my clients 2 year old ASB came from ASB Stars?!!! I am really looking forward to starting him!

[Sakura]

Actually, this one was bred by a VERY BNT in the ASB world, but they sold me the mare in foal before he was born...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/Borealistrot.jpg

This one is bred to be a five gaited horse- his Daddy is the leading sire of five gaited World Champions...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/DSC_0044.jpg

And this one won his class at Dressage at Devon three years running...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/Infuriating.jpg

They compare very favorably to the Dutch horses who are infused with so much nice TB blood these days, they will give you 110%, and they are loffly to sit on. Oh, yeah, and they won't break the bank. Yet. :winkgrin:

Where are SB like that being hidden? My jaw hit the desk when that first photo opened... HOLY SMOKES!

[ASB Stars]

Well, I am not hiding- right EqT? :lol:

The problem is that most people don't present the ASBs to you in a manner that translates to what your frame of reference is. They simply don't understand how you want a horse presented, because, in their microcosm, the photo that was shown of the ASB stallion is the norm- at least for presentation.

They are out there. They are NOT hard to find. And they can be had for relatively reasonable prices. :winkgrin:

[Ambrey]

We have several ASBs at the stable and the conditioning and muscling on them is very, very different from horses trained in a more round dressage frame. They also roach their forelocks to give them even more of a high headed look. I am betting that they wouldn't look like the same horses after a year or two of dressage training.

[ASB Stars]

It takes time to make the career change- you are turning the musculature completely upside down. But these horses are so kind, and so adaptable, that they just come around, and make it happen.

And they take their forelocks off because they are too freaking lazy to braid the ribbon into their forelock- they just attach it to the bridle. WGC CH Wing Commander had his braided into his REAL forelock. Look at the pictures! :mad:

[pintopiaffe]

I am biased. I believe you can find in a crossbred--a *carefully* crossbred--all the attributes, plus a little hybrid vigour, that you can find in fancier purebreds.

ASB's have been well represented in this thread. They are an American GEM of a dressage horse. Iberian & Arab Crossbreds are also exceptionally easy to train for the AO. Morgans have been mentioned--fabulously kind, athletic horses.

Some of the more random-seeming crosses may end up being gold. I've known a Friesian X Morgan I'd sell my soul for...and a Frieisan X QH that could pass for an Azteca. Not all, of course, are crosses worth doing--but don't overlook 'mutts.'

I am an APHA/AQHA fan. The mind is sooo trainable. As long as there is conformation and movement to back it up... gold. Just gold. I use APHA blood still in my program for a good back end and the MIND.

Take a peek at the breeder's forum here. click on some signature links. You never know what you might find. Many of us are willing to deal on price to the RIGHT kind of home. ;)

[FlashGordon]

The problem is that most people don't present the ASBs to you in a manner that translates to what your frame of reference is. They simply don't understand how you want a horse presented, because, in their microcosm, the photo that was shown of the ASB stallion is the norm- at least for presentation.

They are out there. They are NOT hard to find. And they can be had for relatively reasonable prices. :winkgrin:

I agree on the ASBs and ASB crosses. I was riding one last fall that I adore. He has a fabulous mind and he is beautifully put together.

I had never before considered ASBs as sporthorses at all but he has really opened my eyes to their potential. They are a unique breed but they are athletic and seem to have excellent minds.

[tbmorgan]

I'm here on behalf of the Morgans...and Morgan/TB crosses! Wonderfully intelligent, kind, try-their-heart-out-for-you horses, with a bright-eyed sense of mischief that requires a great sense of humor on their person's part! They are sooo much fun! I can also say that size isn't an issue with alot of these guys...I'm 5'10", mostly leg, and I have two boys that are barely 15 hands (granted, one is my 3 yr old TB/Morgan and still growing,) and both are so broad through the barrel that when I'm mounted, my heels don't even come below their girthline! Plus, their necks come up high out of their withers so they carry themselves in a way that doesn't make me look like I'm towering over them...I look totally different riding my student's QH, who is 3 inches taller, but has a more horizontal neck carriage!

Check out Funquest Erick, for example (and he's an honest 16h): http://www.foxbrushmorgans.com/erick.htm

Or...GKB Coal Magic (16h)
http://www.blueandwhitemorgans.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16
&Itemid=28

or...PKR Primavera Brio (15.1h)
http://www.gabcreekfarm.com/brio.html

I know a couple of these boys personally, and know their babies...and their quality is phenomenal! Their price won't break your piggy bank, either.
And these guys are just an eensy weensy sampling of what's out there in the world of sport Morgans!
Anyway, regardless of what you find, good luck and have fun with your search!

Katja

[rothmpp]

- WB/WBx or TB/TBx. Draft crosses are nice, but don't "do it" for me.


Don't flatly dismiss them out of hand... you *can* find nice ones that you'd never think were a draft cross. It depends on what the draft is, what the cross is, percentage of draft, etc... I'm by no means saying to go and look at every one is available because most are going to be big, heavy horses, but there's no harm in looking at pictures/video. Nice ones are out there. And remember, calling them a draft cross is a badge of honor for some people, even if they are 25% or less draft. When the dressage world would call them WBx or TBx, they may still be advertised as draft X. And if you find one that suits your requirements that is advertised as a draft X rather than a TB/WBx the price tag is often smaller. I used to own a very nice one (1/4 draft, 1/4 dutch, 1/2 TB) that I bought green for $2K, trained and rode thru 3rd (in three years), and sold for way more that I paid or put into him. Nobody looked at him when the original owners listed him as a draft x.

People are giving you lots of breeds and crosses that you are going to have just as hard a time finding a dressage built one as you would in the draft X world. When you're shopping on a budget, you'll have the best luck if you are completely open minded about what types you will at least look at pictures and video.

[ctanner]

Ambrey We have several ASBs at the stable and the conditioning and muscling on them is very, very different from horses trained in a more round dressage frame. They also roach their forelocks to give them even more of a high headed look. I am betting that they wouldn't look like the same horses after a year or two of dressage training.

That's the beauty of dressage,a year or two of good dressage training should make any horse look better.I am always impressed by some of those OTTB who come off the track looking lean and slight who turn into big buff hunks.
I think that's another reason looking for young prospects can be difficult.On the other hand,when you aren't looking at all those beautiful curves,it's easier to see the angles.
When it's my turn to start looking for another horse,I am definitely going with my trainer.

[Bayou Roux]

Morgans. Eager to learn. Fun to ride. Opinionated.

The Original American Sport Horse.

Amen, sister!

The foundation / old breeding style got back and tons o' schwung!

[EqTrainer]

We have several ASBs at the stable and the conditioning and muscling on them is very, very different from horses trained in a more round dressage frame. They also roach their forelocks to give them even more of a high headed look. I am betting that they wouldn't look like the same horses after a year or two of dressage training.

The "trick" IMO is to buy an ASB that has NOT been thru Saddleseat training. That is why we bought from ASB Stars. Not only does she breed them for dressage, but she also buys young prospects that have never been messed with to resell. She has - as you see! - a superb eye for conformation and movement.

[TheOtherHorse]

You never know where you'll find a great prospect. I got a cheap STBx mare from an auction, and she turned out to be VERY talented in dressage. I've been told by many people that if I really focused on dressage (I'm an eventer, and just do training level dressage) that she would move up the levels quickly and easily be very competitive. So you just never know... its worth looking at lots of different unlikely prospects, as you're bound to find a diamond in the rough if you look in the right places... :)

[Mozart]

The price goes down the further you get from an urban centre...you may have to drive hours and hours to look at them...but they are out there (sometimes WAY out there)

[WBLover]

I was in your same boat last fall, and I was SOOOO adamant on finding a WB (Euro). But everything in my price range really was not good. Yes, I have champaign taste on a beer budget.

Well, this one horse kept coming up in my search parameters, a Friesian/SWB cross. I hemmed and hawed, and agonized, and kept telling myself, "BUT he's a Friesian cross, I really don't want one of those...."

I finally contacted the seller and said, heck, send me a video, what could it hurt. HE WAS THE ONE! He's in my backyard right now, and I have high hopes for him. Is he an FEI prospect? I don't think so, but who knows. I do think he will be able to be very competitive in the lower levels, possibly up to 3rd/4th.

He's definitely my WB on a budget.

See him in my link below, he's every bit as fancy as a WB IMO!

[ASB Stars]

I happen to love Morgans. Morgans, and "Kentucky Saddlers", as they were known then, were the mounts of choice for the officers in the Civil War. Their roots go back a long way in American History. The ASB's registry is older :yes: but the fact is the Morgan folks have done so much better at supporting the sport horses in their breed, than the ASB registry, it is embarassing. Things are changing at the ASHA- but they change slowly.

This is something a friend of mine wrote for me for my website, and other promotion of the ASB sport horse. Her mother is an FEI level dressage judge, and she has a law degree, althought she doesn't practice, in her job as CEO of a local company...

Why consider an American Saddlebred as your next sporthorse prospect? Lots and lots reasons! I'm an experienced adult amateur who enjoys dressage training and is also a fairly active competitor in local schooling and recognized shows. As someone who has a pretty set upper limit on what I'm willing to spend on my hobby, I'm typically shopping for a horse with a moderate budget of $7,500 to $12,500. As a result, I've owned two off the track thoroughbreds, with their collection of challenges, and two quite difficult warmbloods - one Swedish and one Oldenburg. They were both nice movers with lots of talent, but delayed in their training and quite difficult rides. I learned a lot, and brought both of them to third level before illness ended their careers. It was a frustrating ride all along, and both of them had me to the point of tears on multiple occasions. Trying to get "into a warmblood" in my price range put me in the position of deciding which problems I could stand - difficult temperament, questionable or interrupted training, soundness or physical limitations. Determined to pursue a different path, I got to know Saddlebreds through a friend committed to selecting good candidates and converting them to sporthorse activities. After a year, a big handsome gelding arrived at a local Amish farm, destined for the buggy sale that weekend. After trotting him up and down the driveway between the pigs, chickens, geese and LOUD diesel generator, I took him home. Since then, Chase and I have been doing what this sport is supposed to be all about - having FUN, making progress, and enjoying each day together. He is affectionate (that's an understatement!), generous, forward, smart, willing to try just about anything, talented and very very pretty. After discovering from his breeder that he'd only been ridden about 10 times in his life (he was a driving horse), and thanking him for not killing me at the farm, we set about learning how to be a sporthorse. Dressage lessons, cavalletti, jumping, hacking, paper chases, fun shows, dressage shows, Saddlebred hunter classes at Devon (placed in both classes!) - we do it all, and we do it in style and with a smile! As Chase has combined his natural athleticism and willingness with improved body mechanics from learning how to work up and through his back (yes - they CAN use their backs), he has turned into a handsome guy that I'm proud to take anywhere. Every instructor I work with comments on his willing attitude, determination to figure out what I want, and generous answer to every request. Comments from well-respected trainers have run from "Now THAT'S what an amateur horse should be," to "he's ALWAYS trying to give you what you want, so if he doesn't, it's only because he doesn't understand." Some casual observers scratch their heads and wonder what he is. Those in the know say "Is that a Saddlebred? They sure can be great! I knew one who _______." Fill in the sport horse blank yourself - consider a Saddlebred!

[Ambrey]

Don't flatly dismiss them out of hand... you *can* find nice ones that you'd never think were a draft cross. It depends on what the draft is, what the cross is, percentage of draft, etc... I'm by no means saying to go and look at every one is available because most are going to be big, heavy horses,

And sometimes even the heavy ones can be quite cute at dressage, even if they can be stinkers sometimes ;)

http://www.polishedambre.com/uploads/smokeylat.jpg

[lizathenag]

I am a big fan of the TB! I hope to hit the century mark with the one in my profile pic in 16 years when he is 28 and I am 72!

[MyReality]

I am impartial to TB. I do have a Clyde TB cross, wonderful mover. They don't ride like your average TB, that's why people claim that they pull. Mine doesn't but she would if you let her. However, they are extremely sweet, easy to start, very uncomplicated. I would not discount them.

As good as she is, she is not the "please I beg you tell me what I can do for you and I will do it perfectly I promise" kind of horse. My TB is.

I find a good TB is the way to go. They are cheap, super easy and fun to turn into a dressage horse. Their athletic range is very wide, and suited to a quiet but sensitive rider. I suggest go directly to TB trainers/breeders friends and let them hand pick one for you, instead of hitting the rescue or retirement place. I promise you they always have a few that are too slow. If you pick the right one, with some training they will start to look like a WB, I kid you not. They put on layers of muscles and people start asking you what breed he is at shows.

Personally I would not consider a WB. It highly depends on the breeder, but breeders who breed for both temperament first and athletic ability second, very far and between these days. WB these days are mostly professional rides, they tend to be a little too hot and opinionated even for seasoned riders. I mean who could blame the horses, they are bred to be sensitive and quick and strong, sure they have a thing or two to say about your riding style.

I like Morgans too but usually they are a bit too small for me. I have never came across an ASB (I'm in Canada), however from the pictures, they have everything you need for a dressage horse in terms of conformation so provided they have temperament to match, I think they will do well indeed.

[Sandy M]

I paid a modest price for my now-almost-four year old, but I bought him as an unstarted 2.5 year old, took him to colt starter at age 3, and now alternate between lessons w/colt starter and my regular dressage trainer(so while he was unstarted, I only had to wait about 8 months before I had a horse to ride). My dressage instructor - at every single lesson - oohs and aahs about the suspension and rhythm/cadence in his trot, his lovely canter, and the freedom in his shoulder. She LOVES him. He is by an Arabian stallion (one of the few approved for Trakhener breeding in the US) and out of a 3/4 Foundation 1/4 TB Appaloosa mare. He's pushing 16.2 at present and isn't done (he just went v. slightly butt high ...again). I bought him directly from the breeder.

[Ibex]

Thanks for the input everyone! Saddlebreds had been on my "maybe" to look at list, but they're absolutly there now, as are Morgans.

The reason I said not a draft-x is more a reflection on my riding style than the horses. I just find I do better with a slightly more sensitive horse, and a HUGE sensitive horse (one of the Draft Xs is like this) backs me off and I don't enjoy it. The mare I was leasing until she was injured was a highly opinionated Dutch/TB, and I enjoyed the fact that she would tell me to get lost when I was riding poorly. But it's just not as scary on a moderately sized horse :lol:

If the "right" horse comes along and happens to have some draft in them, that's fine! I just don't want "drafty".

[Sandy M]

The mare I was leasing until she was injured was a highly opinionated Dutch/TB, and I enjoyed the fact that she would tell me to get lost when I was riding poorly. But it's just not as scary on a moderately sized horse :lol:



And someone else mentioned Morgans being opinionated. LOL Believe me, you ain't seen "opinionated" until you deal with a REAL Appaloosa (as opposed to a Quarterloosa with a QH temperament). And I had one that was 16.3 and OPINIONATED. Baby is heading for 16.3, and the Arab/Appaloosa combination will be an interesting one to figure out........he hasn't been forceful about any of his opinions YET, except that he most decidedly does NOT care for clippers....so I have them sitting on a towel on a shelf in the grooming area and buzzing constantly while I groom him. He'll let me touch his body with them now, but not get any closer than mid-neck as far as his head is concerned. Hopefully, this will be an "opinion" that I can eventually overcome. LOL

[sublimequine]

This is one kind of out of left field, but I have actually seen a few Standardbreds do REALLY well at Dressage. They almost look like really refined WBs under tack, too. :yes:

[lilypondlane]

Ibex, you could check out the warmblood breed registries' websites (ATA, ISR/Oldenburg, etc.). They have sale horses listed and many are very reasonably priced.

[EqTrainer]

Ibex, if you go WBx, don't hesitate to look at the seemingly "odd" crosses. I have enjoyed my "odd" crosses much more than my purebreds.. they are often nicer horses in movement and certainly between the ears.

[Sandra6500]

You mention budget... Can you be more specific on what your budget is?

I don't know if you live near a race track. If so now is a GREAT time to be looking if you want a nice TB.

Every year around this time the young TBs are shipped to the track to start training. They were probably bought at the big sales last year. I worked the sale here at Emerald Downs last year. Some of the horses I thought would be FABULOUS dressage horses are now shipping in there to start fitness work.

Many owners will quickly "cull the herd" and not even race the prospects that just aren't promising. Those horses are the best pick because they have not yet raced but have been started. They haven't had months and months of really hard work on those young joints.

My recommendation... If you have a track somewhere close make friends with someone there. Walk in, ask for around. You may walk out with a SUPER free or $100-200 horse.

I just hooked a friend up with a gorgeous gelding. He's two and already lightly started. She's going to hack him for the next year and let him mature more (the downside of finding a horse on the track), but he was $50- the cost of a halter he broke the day he left and the trainer wanted to replace.

[ScotTNMe]

How's the hunt going? I wish I were you!!! I'd be in pretty much the same boat except my next prospect must be trained to the eyeballs - I'm too old to be messing with any greenies :lol: !!! However, as you've stated if you're willing to spend money on training it's as broad as it is long, I guess - spend it at the outset or over time as the young'un grows up.

I also agree that the nontraditional dressage breeds and crosses are your best bet as far as price goes. The minute WB is mentioned the $$ go sky high even if the horse is a complete dud. Again, there are exceptions so don't rule anything out but there are so many great suggestions here and tons of really interesting breeds and cross breeds to check out!! I wish I had the $$ to travel to see some of these prospects. Not brave enough to buy sight unseen. Good luck and keep us posted on what you find!

[Sandy M]

How's the hunt going? I wish I were you!!! I'd be in pretty much the same boat except my next prospect must be trained to the eyeballs - I'm too old to be messing with any greenies :lol: !!!

So am I (too old), but.... I bought an unstarted 2.5 year old. I just couldn't find anything else within my budget that wasn't too old or didn't have soundness issues. Heck, we are having trouble finding a nice lower level dressage/trail horse for a friend of mind who wants what you want: trained to the eyeballs. And her wishes are more on the trail horse side than the dressage side! I finally found two prospects for her, BUT... one is 7 and has what may or may not be conformation/possible soundness issues that are
deal breakers, and the other is 4 years old (and we're hoping that's' 4 going on 5, rather than "just turned 4", but listed as a "3" on the 1 to 10 temperament scale. His price is reasonable, and if he susses out, she'll send him to a trainer, since he's priced well under her "budget." My fingers are crossed.

[lwk]

I am always on a budget. I have found young WB/TB crosses, not started, from small private breeders, that are very affordable and quite nice.
Many of these sellers can't take pictures so I have to look at them in person. The horses are probably not registered with any mainstream breed organization.

[quietann]

Ibex,

Glad to hear you are considering Morgans! Some of the sport bred ones can be a bit taller, and many Morgans are round enough to take up quite a bit of leg.

I will admit I am terribly biased, because I just bought one of my own :) She's done quite well at training level and was schooling first and second with her former owner/breeder. (She is way ahead of me, so I have to catch up with her! She loves to jump and I intend to use her for low-level eventing, so I doubt we'll push too far in dressage...)

OK, I just have to share. Video link is from Sunday, two days after she arrived and only the third time I've ever ridden her, in a bit she isn't exactly fond of (she has a super sensitive mouth.) No, I am not a fabulous rider, but when she puts herself together, she is really a lovely horse. She is 10 years old, 15 hands, and rather lightly built for the breed.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjsrpweNkAQ

[tbmorgan]

How great to see you here, Ann! Another voice for the Morgan...heck yeah!

Anyway, I just wanted to share some pics of my little 3 yr old TB/Morgan, in case you want to see how they turn out...I'm admittedly biased but I think he's pretty darn cool! In the riding pics, he's just been backed as a long 2 yr. old and he's only about 14.3, and I'm 5'10" (and I've lost a few pounds since the pics too, so now we look much better together,) but even then he already had the body to take up my leg! He's grown since these pics, too. His TB mama was very sweet and willing to ride as a youngster, but he's more "Morgany" in that he's much less likely to go into orbit just for fun, like she was wont to do...he's more "grounded." All the Morgan babies I've dealt with thus far have been like him...the equine version of a Golden Retriever...all about trying to make me happy! They have been a piece of cake to break and train...makes it easy to buy a younger one for less $$ and still be able to do most, if not all, the riding yourself from the get-go as they are so uncomplicated. High-energy but oh so sane! Added bonus in my book is that both of my guys are such easy-maintenance guys...amazing feet that can stay barefoot, easy keepers, short enough to just jump on bareback from the ground:D...the list goes on and on! My other boy is a full Morgan but so much like Amos that they could be twins. Well, enough babbling...here's a link to pics of my little Amos! http://www.flickr.com/photos/rivendellsportmorgans/
I know that there are several farms throughout the country that are actively breeding the TB/Morgan cross as well as full Morgans of the sporthorse type...Amos is my first cross but I'll be repeating it for sure in the future!

Katja

[ScotTNMe]

Oooooh I love your Morgans! I wish there were some like that around here but there's very few in this area, at least of the sport horse type. I love the idea of a TB/Morgan cross too. You're right in that there's far more choice in horses if you're willing and able to get a greenie. The nice sane schooled 7/8-13/14 year olds that are still sound are scarce as hen's teeth. I know I'll be in for the long haul when I do start looking. A friend of mine bought a green appendix QH last summer and the niggling thought that "he's too young" was in her mind but she ignored it because he was SO QUIET. But he's showing his true colors now so she's got a trainer reading this young guy the riot act! You end up paying one way or the other . . . :yes: !!

[ise@ssl]

Well the discussion would be more constructive if you gave some indication of your budget in dollar figures. Yes you can find horses for lower prices in some areas of the country but depending on where you live the cost of shipping may add a big chunk on to your investment. With gas prices so high shipping horses as gone up substantially.

[tbmorgan]

Thanks, Scot! Amos is my little "ambassador" for the TB/Morgan cross. When the economy takes a turn for the better and the horse market doesn't make me cringe, I'm planning on resuming my breeding program for this specific cross...right now all plans are on hold. I do, however, know of several people in my circle of sport Morgan friends that have young stock available right now...very attractive babies for very attractive prices!...if anyone is interested in contact names and phone #'s, pm me privately!

Katja

[Samrdr1]

God, I LOVE saddlebreds, Came to them after 30+ years with Ay -Rabs. Got one of mine, Kings Lady in Black, FREE, as a two year old give away 'cause she didn't have the big show trot.
Showed her Saddle bred Western Pleasure for a couple of seasons, Then I saw a horse trial for the first time in my life in 2002. Decided I had to do that. Took a few jumping lessons and began competing in 03. Had never competed in dressage or gone over a jump in my life

At her first USEA horse trial being ridden and trained by a fifty year old doofus (me) who really didn't have a clue what he was doing, she won. Dressage score 31. Went on to place in the top three nine times out of 13 trials through training level- dressage scores always in the thirties. Now have an OTTB and an imported KWPN mare- but there is NOTHING like a saddlebred brain.
Tom N

[Dreamspark]

I have to vote for Morgans! :)

But also, I think it was sublimequine that beat me to it, definitely check out Standardbreds! I have a PACER that is excelling in dressage, believe it or not. Judges cannot believe that she is a STB and much less a pacer. One judge told me there was no way she was a pacer because her gaits were too nice. She has a range of motion to die for. I have scored 8s and 9s on gaits every time. And her canter is very nice too. It just takes some "mental retraining" to help them understand they are ALLOWED to canter. Standardbreds can physically canter, but they are taught not to when being driven/raced.

And the best part? My STB was FREE. She was given to me. STBs are not priced accordingly, IMO. They are cheap or free! Of course I had to do all her under saddle training, but it was SO worth it.

GOOD LUCK!

[jme]

I grew up riding a Swedish WB/Arabian cross. Amazing dressage horse.

I love my TB now, and I also have a full Arabian who is my favorite horse to ride. He's a natural at dressage training.

Yep, Morgans can be bigger! Here's a picture of mine:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2378245130098532213LWEtNI

Good luck with your search!

[J-Lu]

Agreeing with alot of what has already been posted. If you have TIME, then you can really look around.

In more rural areas, there are some *very nice* WBs and WB crosses that can be found for 15K and under. Sometimes WAY under. There ARE people who are not interested in soaking the buyer but you really have to search.

Many crosses are also for sale cheap but can do well in dressage. Our own Dukesmom just got her gold medal on her 8(??) year old Fresian/TB cross. Yep, she's got him on the same track as international level horses (scoring in the mid 60s in his first year of GP), and I think she paid a song for him as a youngster.

They are out there!

[allisona97]

I have had 2 Appy/TB crosses in my life, and both have been lovely dressage movers. My current horse is 1/2 Appy, 1/2 TB, and I am always getting asked what breed of Warmblood the Appy was crossed with! She is 16.1 hands, perfect conformation (though just a little low set in the neck), and very athletic. We evented at Training level, did jumpers to 3'6" (my skill level held her back), and now we are starting out this year at 4th level dressage, hoping for PSG by the end of the year! She can do piaffe no problem, and her pirouettes are getting easier. Her nemisis is the extensions, where she gets a little on the forhand and running at times. (the TB in her). I bought her for $7500 as a 4 yr old and she definately has FEI potential.

I also have a Morgan who is, as some people already described, an athletic guy with a bit of a mischeivious attitude. He was a cheap, green, trail-ridden-only guy we picked up out of the newspaper. Now he is being leased to a Pony Club rider to take her C-3 rating on this fall.

I also had an Anglo-Arab (TBxArab), and he was great in dressage, though sometimes a little spooky. He was also a newspaper find for under $5000.

I'm currently working with a lot of Hungarians, who are also very versatile, but have been doing very well in the dressage ring lately. They are more of a lighter breed, with a lot of suspension and cadence to their gaits. They also are very level-headed and bond well to their "person". Their cost varies, but you can view some of them on the Hungarian Horse Asso. website: www.hungarianhorses.org. There are also links to breeders in the USA that might have some young, started prospects.

[Equibrit]

You may be able to "SNAP" this one up!
http://www.harmonypointefarm.com/Roz.html

[slc2]

when the economy stinks like now a lot of horses are for sale. it only needs a lot of footwork.

i think for a budget some of the hackney crosses are very active, eager horses, thoroughbred crosses and appendix quarter horses are a dime a dozen, arab-quarter horse crosses are sometimes extremely nice, saddle breds are often available for very nice prices (some 5 gaited lines are very well built), welsh pony thb crosses and welsh pony warmblood crosses are another really interesting thing to look into and if one isn't so tall a very good option.

[FriesianX]

I'll throw in another vote for Friesian crosses - although like any cross breed horse, be aware not all are created equal! I've taken a few into big open dressage shows with consistent top placings. Realize that some Friesian bloodlines are oriented toward sport horse, and the horses have a canter, while others don't. And of course, there is a huge difference between a cross onto a Quarterhorse versus a cross onto a Warmblood, quality Tbred, or quality Morgan! But they tend to be priced less than WBs, tend to have more "go" and sensitivity than a purebred Friesian, but tend to be very tuned in to their people.

Here in CA, a very competitive show environment, I know of a judge who is showing her Friesian cross mare at PSG now, and has just bought a 2nd cross. I am showing my stallion at 2nd level and about to venture to 3rd. On the East coast, another judge is showing her mare 2nd and 3rd. Here on the board, one of our own COTH horses is showing her FriesianX at I-II, and just debuted at GP.

And, if you want a smaller horse, I'll also second the vote for a Morgan. Again, look for bloodlines with a canter - some are bred for big trot only, but others are specifically bred for canter. They do tend to top out at 16 hands (and most around 15 to 15.2), but they are sturdy and often big barrelled.

Honestly, if you are looking for a WB, in THIS market, if you visit a small breeder, I think you'd be suprised at the deals there, especially if you're willing to take an unstarted yearling or 2 year old.

There are bargains galore for the buyer right now - very hard on us breeders :no: I do suspect, once the economy turns around, many breeders will have given up and the whole "supply and demand" will turn around as well. There will ALWAYS be a supply of lower quality horses, but the small breeders who are putting money into their programs and breeding nice quality mid-priced horses will be scarce. But who knows how many years that will take...

[Dune]

babbling...here's a link to pics of my little Amos! http://www.flickr.com/photos/rivendellsportmorgans/
I know that there are several farms throughout the country that are actively breeding the TB/Morgan cross as well as full Morgans of the sporthorse type...Amos is my first cross but I'll be repeating it for sure in the future!

Katja


OMG! :eek: I used to own a darling little bay that topped out at 15.2 and looked identical to your darling Amos....right down to the big star! I was told when I bought him that he was a "warmblood cross" but I had my doubts.;) I always thought that he was a Morgan/TB cross. :yes: I have to say that I showed my little horse all over one of the most competitive areas of the country, up to 4th level (schooled PSG, just not quite up to showing it though) and did quite well, even against the high dollar WBs. I've since owned/showed quite a few much "fancier", higher priced horses but I have to say that if I found my little guy again in a younger, just as talented package, I'd buy him all over again. What a super little horse! To the OP, prices are all over the place right now. If you want a WB, you can find one for very little $$, especially if you can start one on your own. While I'm being told that the good ones are still selling, there are LOTS of deals to be had out there. My advice would be to not be "stuck" on a particular breed, go for a "type" and personality. Have fun and take your time.:)

[Bayou Roux]

Here are a couple of shots of Sonny, 4-year old full brother to my yearling Morgan, Sherman. I'm hoping Shermy comes out as lovely as his big brother! We're considering both dressage prospects, Sonny further advanced, of course, than the Sherminator.

At liberty:
http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/27113/2163009070102741713S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2163009070102741713eihmtx)

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/6019/2105741220102741713S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2105741220102741713AiREKt)

Pause during lunge work:
http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/19842/2609611700102741713S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2609611700102741713XkvXgS)

[tbmorgan]

Dune, I PM'd you.

Bayou Roux, what a lovely boy in the pics! He looks a heck of a lot like my full Morgan gelding, Moxie!

I have to say, I totally agree with Dune...don't get hung up on any particular breed...find the individual that has the type and personality that suits you! Horses can't read papers, after all!

Katja

[Lisa Cook]

I bought my 16.3 hand foundation-bred Appaloosa as an unbroken 4 year old, who was living in a field in Canada. He was a lovely find and was very inexpensive. He has scored as high as 9 on gaits and has never been given a score below 7 for gaits. :) If I had a dollar for every time I've been asked "so, what is he crossed with, besides the Appaloosa?", I'd be a very wealthy person right now!

[Ibex]

Thanks everyone!

You've opened a couple of doors for me, especially in regards to the ASB and Morgans / crosses.

I fortunatly have a coach who isn't too hung up on a particular breed... I think she actually has a real "thing" for finding the "diamons in the rough" and bringing them along. I'm sure she'd be thrilled if her students had a ton of cash to spend on spectacular youngsters, but it's not really that kind of barn (which is why we all like it so much... no games of "my horse cost more than yours"...)

[RedMare01]

I am a bit partial to Saddlebreds as I have been owned by the Red Mare for almost 10 years now. They are awesome horses that can make fantastic dressage horses in the right hands. And their minds can't be beat!

Caitlin

[Arizona DQ]

As an older woman and just getting back into riding after a 10 year break, I thought I wanted a bomb proof , 18 + year old QH gelding... I found a delightful 12 year old Arab-ASB mare cross for under 4K. She was a "trail" horse for a young girl and mostly "cowboyed" around. But her gaits are awesome and her temperament is to die for. She was the first horse I looked at and it has been a perfect match. Not exactly bomb proof, but she has more sense than most..and has a great attitude... I never even considered a saddlebred (purebred or cross) before.......

What has happend to the Arab in the dressage scene? Are they too small compared to the WBs?

[Sabine]

Well, I am not hiding- right EqT? :lol:

The problem is that most people don't present the ASBs to you in a manner that translates to what your frame of reference is. They simply don't understand how you want a horse presented, because, in their microcosm, the photo that was shown of the ASB stallion is the norm- at least for presentation.

They are out there. They are NOT hard to find. And they can be had for relatively reasonable prices. :winkgrin:

Totally agree with that- I give it 5 years or less and Sb's will be in the same price range as AWBs...they are extremely well suited for dressage- and don't seem to break as easily...

[Ambrey]

When I was shopping for my horse, I looked high and low for a SB locally and couldn't find anything except the saddleseat horses, which were all kind of freakishly hot and really expensive. I wish there were more people breeding SBs for sporthorse uses.

I seriously don't know what they do to those saddleseat horses, but they don't even look like regular horses. I think check straps and roached forlocks make for a kind of evil look ;)

[Sabine]

When I was shopping for my horse, I looked high and low for a SB locally and couldn't find anything except the saddleseat horses, which were all kind of freakishly hot and really expensive. I wish there were more people breeding SBs for sporthorse uses.

I seriously don't know what they do to those saddleseat horses, but they don't even look like regular horses. I think check straps and roached forlocks make for a kind of evil look ;)

There are a few places where they have them 'pure'. The secret is to buy them at age 1 or 2- they won't wait much longer-before they put those awful weighted shoes on and do the weird stuff to them. But as I don't know where your 'curtain' is- I can't tell if you are close or far...LOL!

[Ambrey]

There are a few places where they have them 'pure'. The secret is to buy them at age 1 or 2- they won't wait much longer-before they put those awful weighted shoes on and do the weird stuff to them. But as I don't know where your 'curtain' is- I can't tell if you are close or far...LOL!

Heh, I needed something already under saddle. I ended up going about as opposite from a SB as possible (and in fact my horse is terrified of the saddleseat horses!).

[AMDressage]

Amanda Bailey has a TBxTB/Shire (approved Westfal the dam I believe) mare for sale, she's asking $8,500. She's black, lovely mover, and 16.2 :yes:

If I were in the market, I'd seriously be looking at her.

Here is the direct link to her info: "Outstanding" (http://www.ultimatedressage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5580285&highlight=#5580285)

[Sithly]

I have a Saddlebred cross (crossed with Morab), and I just can't say enough about his wonderful temperament. He is just super. Tons of try, does everything I want. Not spooky or hot (did I mention he's been my parade horse since the first summer he was broke? :lol:).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/not_telling/Horseshow-1-2007-312_e.jpg
He was five in this picture.


I always tell people if they want to find a nice and relatively cheap horse, they need to be shopping in Minnesota!

After living in Vermont and Texas, it blows my mind how easy it is to find really nice, sound horses that are well-started for under 15k (and quite frankly, I see a ton of them for under 10k and even under 5k if I really hunt for a while).

True, not all horses in MN are cheap, but I bet I see at least one really nice horse a month here that is offered for under $7,500.

Spectrum.

Yes! I'm so used to the cheap horses here that I routinely :eek: at the horse shopping threads on COTH.

[cuatx55]

What has happend to the Arab in the dressage scene? Are they too small compared to the WBs?


Arabs are alive and kicking, just not as many people who ride arabians and do dressage...Most of the horses I know are solidly built over 15h and several have shown third. Yes, these are purebreds. I also know some kick-butt selle francias and hanovarian x with arabs that are lovely and trainable...
You just have to know where to look. Although some trainers are not quick enough to deal with the smart minds that exploit the rider...they can't be put in a cookie cutter situation.
I've ridden great horses of every breed and I am sure I could find at least one that I would love to own. And there are exceptions to every rule....Good luck!

[Charmb]

I think if you look to the north ...Canada, especially on the prairies, you may find extremely good prices for started horses that have been pasture raised and are registered. Check the Canadian Warmblood Horse Breeders Association site (canadianwarmbloods.com) and their Members sales list. Also the Canadian Sporthorse Association (canadian-sport-horse.org) and of course the Canadian Trakehner Horse Association. Many breeders, especially those with a regular program, not just a mare or two, are often negotiable on their prices, especially to a show home. In fact, just contact breeders, through the Breeder's Directory on line with CWHBA or the CTHS....and see what they have. I know that between myself and few here, we probably have about 3 or 4, well started, and priced at close too or under $10,000.00. And that's just close to our home and at this particular moment. Know there will be more available as the weather gets nicer and more horses can be started and worked,etc.
Charmaine

[Oldenburg Mom]

I want to add something here in support of US dressage breeders. While some/many may have youngsters in the $10K or more category (I know I've got one that isn't even born yet!! :lol:) there are many carefully bred WBs in the 3-4 year old range, for sale, under $10K.

What a breeder (at least the breeders I know) want more than anything else is a good permanent home for their carefully bred youngsters. There is an entire list of CoTH breeders, sorry I don't have the link. Why not just talk to any one of them? The worst thing that can happen is you're right back where you started.

Just a thought ...

[TouchstoneAcres]

Agreed. Many breeders are hurting financially. Ask those near you if they have anything that hasn't sold, that might work for you, at a good price, Tell them about your experience, goals, stable/horse keeping arrangement, trainer. You may be pleasantly surprised.

[SEPowell]

So what are some of the "off the beaten path" places you look for horses when you're shopping on a budget? How about some slightly "off" crosses that you've had success with? Any routes you would avoid?

Thoroughbred rescues! There are some lovely movers for people with long legs out there, and they have been started ;)

[ASBJumper]

Another plug for Saddlebreds and Saddlebred crosses! :D

The ultimate amateur horse - sensitive but sensible, light to the aids, willing and kind and comfy to sit.

Here are some pics of various WB/ASB crosses:
http://pets.webshots.com/album/97358188oEqUKY


p.s. it's a shame you're not looking at buying a baby... I am expecting an Oldenburg/Saddlebred foal in 6 weeks that's sure to be a stunner. ;)

[kashmere]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/not_telling/Horseshow-1-2007-312_e.jpg
He was five in this picture.

super cute horse, and, seriously, can we trade equitation? please? :)

[Ibex]

Another plug for Saddlebreds and Saddlebred crosses! :D

The ultimate amateur horse - sensitive but sensible, light to the aids, willing and kind and comfy to sit.

Here are some pics of various WB/ASB crosses:
http://pets.webshots.com/album/97358188oEqUKY


p.s. it's a shame you're not looking at buying a baby... I am expecting an Oldenburg/Saddlebred foal in 6 weeks that's sure to be a stunner. ;)

Wowsa! There are some NICE looking ones in there.

Sadly, NOT looking for a baby since it would just be a really, really bad idea for me to take on ;)

[atr]

I bought my 16.3 hand foundation-bred Appaloosa as an unbroken 4 year old, who was living in a field in Canada. He was a lovely find and was very inexpensive. He has scored as high as 9 on gaits and has never been given a score below 7 for gaits. :) If I had a dollar for every time I've been asked "so, what is he crossed with, besides the Appaloosa?", I'd be a very wealthy person right now!

Oh, Lisa! I do so know what you mean! I get the same thing all the time, and the doubting looks when I tell them he really IS 100% foundation bred. I'd have another one in a heartbeat.

[Sakura]

I keep checking back to this thread every so often to see the photos posted of the "non-traditional" dressage/sport horses... Wowsers! There are some lovely horses out there :) Keep 'em coming :D!

[not again]

There are a few more ASB-warmblood foals on this listing:
http://goldenventurefarm.com/OthergvfFoals1.htm

[Griffyn]

Another plug for ASB and their various crosses. I was just given (as in she was free) an ASB mare who looks like she'll do just fine for lower levels. Dollars for the value, ASB is the way to go. I waited 42 years for my ASB, and while my taste for what to do with them has changed, my love of the breed has not. I board at a big appendix QH place, and people are surprised to find out what sort of horse she is. If you squint a little she looks a little like ASBsstars gorgeous bay mare. Also, I will say that the ones Ive known have been SOUND. But check for good hooves

[Catersun]

And someone else mentioned Morgans being opinionated. LOL Believe me, you ain't seen "opinionated" until you deal with a REAL Appaloosa (as opposed to a Quarterloosa with a QH temperament). And I had one that was 16.3 and OPINIONATED. Baby is heading for 16.3, and the Arab/Appaloosa combination will be an interesting one to figure out........he hasn't been forceful about any of his opinions YET, except that he most decidedly does NOT care for clippers....so I have them sitting on a towel on a shelf in the grooming area and buzzing constantly while I groom him. He'll let me touch his body with them now, but not get any closer than mid-neck as far as his head is concerned. Hopefully, this will be an "opinion" that I can eventually overcome. LOL

rotflmao.... my MIL had a arab app cross.... woohoooo that was the most opinionated horse I have ever met! He'd be an angel for MIL... but poor DH got thrown around like a rag doll by that horse.

[Sabine]

Just to add to all the interest in Saddlebreds and crosses with that breed. I received a note from a friend - who is the trainer of the first (to my recollection) saddlbred that made it to GP- last weekend was his first show- and he received a 65 and change...what an outstanding accomplishment!

Guess the horse...LOL!;)

[elmerandharriet]

what about a mule?

[Ibex]

what about a mule?

I **really** don't think my coach is that flexible-minded :lol:

Seriously, if I had a farm and could have a mule amongst the critters, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's just not the direction I want to go at the moment!

[JanDinWA]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Lipizzans (or did I miss it?). They are bred for dressage. You can find some larger ones and most have a fairly wide body that fills out your leg. I have a 15.2 hand Lipizzan and a 15.2 hand Morgan and everyone thinks the Lipizzan is much bigger than the Morgan. I also second looking at Morgans. There are some nice sport Morgans being bred. We just bought one from Montana - sire is showing Grand Prix this year.

[Ambrey]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Lipizzans (or did I miss it?). They are bred for dressage. You can find some larger ones and most have a fairly wide body that fills out your leg. I have a 15.2 hand Lipizzan and a 15.2 hand Morgan and everyone thinks the Lipizzan is much bigger than the Morgan. I also second looking at Morgans. There are some nice sport Morgans being bred. We just bought one from Montana - sire is showing Grand Prix this year.

Because they are really expensive? :winkgrin: I love lippizans, but I couldn't have afforded one.

[FancyFree]

Just to add to all the interest in Saddlebreds and crosses with that breed. I received a note from a friend - who is the trainer of the first (to my recollection) saddlbred that made it to GP- last weekend was his first show- and he received a 65 and change...what an outstanding accomplishment!

Guess the horse...LOL!;)

That is an accomplishment. I've never really considered Saddlebreds for dressage until recently. They look like interesting horses.

I was watching a Lusitano being longed the other day. Man that horse was spectacular. If I weren't hopelessly devoted to Hanoverians, I think I'd seriously look at a Lusitano.

[TouchstoneAcres]

Because they are really expensive? :winkgrin: I love lippizans, but I couldn't have afforded one.

What is really expensive to you? They are less than most registered WBs. And cheaper when young. I breed them.

[wildauddie]

Morgans. Eager to learn. Fun to ride. Opinionated.

The Original American Sport Horse.

I'm a lurker here who is going out of my way to second that! (I see I'm more like fifth-ing it ;) ) I own a half-Morgan. I've personally known a Morgan owned by a friend who did very well, and have heard of a number in my local area who have done extremely well. I understand they also have breed dressage shows if you get a purebred. I saw you mentioned you are leggy. Although they tend towards med-short, I've found they are broad enough to take up some leg.

I'm 5'9" and am the happy owner of an inexpensive, young 15hh Morgan/Trakehner cross. He eats up my leg just fine. And I think he owes a lot to the Morgan side. His personality is intelligent, engaging and entertaining and so unlike any other horse I've known... except perhaps some other Morgans! I can't lie though that a horse that engaging may not be for everyone. I think of him as being like a very, very bright dog, or perhaps a small child, who doesn't speak yet, which can make it a challenge some times to understand what he's telling me! But I'm overjoyed to work with him and I wonder if now I'd be bored by a horse any less engaging. :) I feel extremely fortunate to own him. We are looking forward to starting dressage showing this summer.


I have to say, I totally agree with Dune...don't get hung up on any particular breed...find the individual that has the type and personality that suits you! Horses can't read papers, after all!
I agree too. Keep your eye out for a "happy accident" to find you. I didn't have anything too specific in mind when I found my boy, besides temperament and some ability and some vague ideas from breeds of other horses I'd known. It sort of happened.

[Eclectic Horseman]

I'm a lurker here who is going out of my way to second that! (I see I'm more like fifth-ing it ;) ) I own a half-Morgan. I've personally known a Morgan owned by a friend who did very well, and have heard of a number in my local area who have done extremely well. I understand they also have breed dressage shows if you get a purebred. I saw you mentioned you are leggy. Although they tend towards med-short, I've found they are broad enough to take up some leg.

I'm 5'9" and am the happy owner of an inexpensive, young 15hh Morgan/Trakehner cross. He eats up my leg just fine. And I think he owes a lot to the Morgan side. His personality is intelligent, engaging and entertaining and so unlike any other horse I've known... except perhaps some other Morgans! I can't lie though that a horse that engaging may not be for everyone. I think of him as being like a very, very bright dog, or perhaps a small child, who doesn't speak yet, which can make it a challenge some times to understand what he's telling me! But I'm overjoyed to work with him and I wonder if now I'd be bored by a horse any less engaging. :) I feel extremely fortunate to own him. We are looking forward to starting dressage showing this summer.

Yup. Morgans and Morgan crosses.

http://www.morgandressage.org

[Roan]

What is really expensive to you? They are less than most registered WBs. And cheaper when young. I breed them.

Yep, she's right and she does.

I didn't pipe up about Lips 'cause this thread was totally ASB :D

Eileen

[CA ASB]

When I was shopping for my horse, I looked high and low for a SB locally and couldn't find anything except the saddleseat horses, which were all kind of freakishly hot and really expensive. I wish there were more people breeding SBs for sporthorse uses.


Ambrey - if the orange curtain you're behind is the same one as me, there's a ton of good, not that expensive ASBs right out in Riverside County just about an hour from you. Hilda Gurney has some full and half saddlebreds up at her place as well. And, if I think I know where you're at (Surf City, correct?) the ASB barn that is there is, well, hmm, I can't repeat it in public. Feel free to PM me.

If you're in the market in So. Cal. for a Saddlebred Sporthorse, just PM me and I'll hook you up with the breeder.

BTW, one of my dearest friends is married to an ASB trainer. She rides ASBs AND she rides Prix St. Georges. Her warmblood is in the same barn as all their Saddlebreds. He's the only horse on the property terrified of a jog cart. As an aside, she has ridden my ASB mare and absolutely raves about her gaits being better than her warmbloods and some of the best/purest gaits she's ever ridden (I think that's a hint, but I'm not giving up my girl).

Also, Harry isn't the first ASB at Grand Prix level, just the best promoted and known.

[Ambrey]

Ambrey - if the orange curtain you're behind is the same one as me, there's a ton of good, not that expensive ASBs right out in Riverside County just about an hour from you. Hilda Gurney has some full and half saddlebreds up at her place as well. And, if I think I know where you're at (Surf City, correct?) the ASB barn that is there is, well, hmm, I can't repeat it in public. Feel free to PM me.

If you're in the market in So. Cal. for a Saddlebred Sporthorse, just PM me and I'll hook you up with the breeder.

Nope, not anymore :( You have my location right, and I'm not surprised that the local trainer has hit your radar ;) I don't have any interaction at all with him, but I do know that all of his horses scare my horse (I'm not sure he recognizes them as the same species).

I looked around for a saddlebred when I was shopping for my horse, last year, but clearly I wasn't looking in the right places ;)

[Appaloosa1224]

Maybe I'm biased (Well, thats not a maybe!) but well bred foundation appaloosas make nice sporthorses. I wouldn't give my guy up for anything. They are completely different from those quarter horses with spots you see so much.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/Appaloosa1224/7-25-07042_edited.jpg

[PalominoMorgan]

rotflmao.... my MIL had a arab app cross.... woohoooo that was the most opinionated horse I have ever met! He'd be an angel for MIL... but poor DH got thrown around like a rag doll by that horse.

Have to add that a good friend has an Arab/Appy cross and HOLY CRAP is he opinionated. He is also WAY TOO FRIGGIN SMART. He is perfect for a trainer though and so he has a home for life, but he would drive 99% of the world's horse people to find another hobby.

[slc2]

It is absolutely incredible how many horses are for sale right now and how great the prices are. i was looking on the low priced part of dressage daily and almost dropped my dentures.

[Eclectic Horseman]

It is absolutely incredible how many horses are for sale right now and how great the prices are. i was looking on the low priced part of dressage daily and almost dropped my dentures.

Funny. I'm not seeing any bargains in the 30K and under category. 2nd level off breed "schoolmasters," aged horses, and young stock. More horses advertised, maybe, but I'm not seeing any fire sales. :no:

[slc2]

there were some gorgeous small horses and large ponies in there. i'm not sure why they don't view for you. i was looking at them last night.

[Eclectic Horseman]

there were some gorgeous small horses and large ponies in there. i'm not sure why they don't view for you. i was looking at them last night.

Oh. In my experience, small has always been reasonably priced. Nothing new there.

[slc2]

In this case, I think the prices are about 30-40% under what I'd expect. So even more reasonable than usual. the economy stinks, so make hay while the sun shines.