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AKDragooPhoto
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:40 AM
As per http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?id=1407

DLee
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:45 AM
Oh no. :( Jingling here. :(

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:50 AM
Major jingles for Darren!!!!!

tx3dayeventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:55 AM
jingles for darren

shea'smom
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:01 PM
oh, damn.

JSwan
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:02 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope initial reports are wrong and he recovers quickly.

ddashaq
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:09 PM
Lots of jingles for Darren.:(

Lamma70
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:14 PM
Jingles for Darren!!! I saw him ride Windfall at Rolex a few years back, and they are an awesome pair! Hope the injuries are minor, and he is back in the saddle very soon!

seeuatx
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
Jingles and prayers for Darren!!!!!!!!!!

One Star
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:19 PM
Darren is in stable but serious condition. He has multiple rib fractures, and is now moving his limbs, so the paralysis fear has passed. He will be meeting with a neurosurgeon today to make sure he checks out for any neurological damage.

Jon Holling has taken over coaching Darren's students, and the community is pulling together.

Keep jingling.

JSwan
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:22 PM
Oh thank goodness.

I hope he continues to improve and is back in the saddle soon.

closetoperfectionfarm
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:35 PM
Oh NO!
This gives me that old familiar sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I read of another eventer getting seriously injured.
Prayers for Darren!

maxxtrot
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
jingles for darren, hoping things work themselves out and he gets better quickly.

i am sure he is happy that jon is taking over coaching his students for him,.hope the rest of the day is injury free!

deltawave
Mar. 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
Oh dear, glad to hear there is at least a glimmer of good news. Many jingles!

jumpjesterjump
Mar. 15, 2008, 01:31 PM
sending some jingles Darren's way, he had really bad fall similar to this at Bromont in 2002. He bounced back from that one pretty quickly so hopefully this one will be a quick recovery. :)

AppJumpr08
Mar. 15, 2008, 01:38 PM
Oh Crap :no:

Huge jingles from New Hampshire for a speedy recovery!!

mbj
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:11 PM
Sending lots of prayers for Darren. He has always been really good about maintaining diet and fitness, and hopefully that, plus his humor,determination and grit, will help speed his recovery.

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:33 PM
I am very sorry to hear this....:no:

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:36 PM
I've had a sick feeling all day. I'm happy the paralysis fear is behind. He has some students doing major things today, so hopefully they can all pull through!

Still Jingling. He has quite the fight in him. Praying for a full and fast recovery!

Lori T
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:43 PM
Oh, no. This is horrible. Glad no paralysis though. Jingles from Florida.

frugalannie
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:48 PM
Continued jingles for Darren, and I'm relieved to hear some good news. If anyone can heal quickly, it wuold be Darren. He takes fitness and wellness very seriously and that will certainly work in his favor.

3dazey
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:49 PM
Thank you for posting the update. It is serious but not as bad as I feared. I enjoyed watching him compete at PTF 2 weekends ago on his new dun horse, what an athlete that animal is!

Heal fast, Darren.

Shrapnel
Mar. 15, 2008, 02:52 PM
I remember watching Darren perform a jaw droping dressage test at Rolex 2006.

Praying for a speedy recovery!

kookicat
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:21 PM
Sending lots of jingles. It's awful when any rider is hurt.

hookedoneventing
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:27 PM
http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/SPORTS/80315010

can anyone confirm anything about this comment at the end of this article?

canyonoak
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:27 PM
one star or bust --

is there any way to send best wishes to Darren C?

so he knows how much we are sending jingles, wishes, hopes and prayers...?

thanks very much for letting us know that it seems to be broken ribs, and not vertebrae,etc.

One Star
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:29 PM
I just talked to the mom of one of his students who was on her way to the hospital to see him, and told her to let him know that we send our best wishes and that the whole eventing community is pulling for him.

If I hear anything further, I'll keep everyone updated.

XHalt
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:33 PM
http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/SPORTS/80315010

can anyone confirm anything about this comment at the end of this article?

OMG, hopefully it's not true. Jingles

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:34 PM
WTF??? :eek::eek:There is a comment at the end of the news article saying Darren died at the hospital!!! Either this is someone's sick idea of a joke, :(:(or someone isn't telling all they know!! Does anyone have definate information??:confused::cry:

allpurpose
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:38 PM
I just talked to the mom of one of his students who was on her way to the hospital to see him, and told her to let him know that we send our best wishes and that the whole eventing community is pulling for him.

If I hear anything further, I'll keep everyone updated.

...for Jonathan and Darren. We're jingling hard up here! Keep us posted, please. Our prayers are with them.

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:46 PM
Please, please, please somebody tell me this is not true. I hope and pray that that person is greatly mis-informed.

hookedoneventing
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:48 PM
http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/SPORTS/80315010&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Looks like they have scheduled a news conference for 5:30

Lamma70
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:49 PM
Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!Jingle! Jingle! Jingle!

I hope that Darren and Jonathan are both okay!

One Star
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:52 PM
I just called the Leon County Sheriff's Office and told them about the comments on Tallahassee Democrat's website, and they refuse to confirm or deny this rumor. :(

Kcisawesome
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:56 PM
*Jingles*

My fingers are crossed...More Jingles...

deltawave
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:58 PM
Oh no, I hope it's just a rumor and if so, the person who started it gets what's coming to them. :mad:

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 03:58 PM
is it possible to access the news conference online?

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:00 PM
I just called the Leon County Sherrif's Office and told them about the comments on Tallahassee Democrat's website, and they refuse to confirm or deny this rumor. :(

That is not a good sign. If it was totally false they would say it was an unsubstantiated rumor, instead this is what we say when we don't know if the family etc is aware of the situation. I hope LCSO just is unaware of what is going on. Jingles.

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:02 PM
Is there any way to find out before the news conference?? I don't think I can stand the suspense...They did this in horseracing once-- rider died on the way to the hospital, but they kept telling us he was critical, but alive---all so the show could go on!!! We all were really pi**ed when we found out he had died en route and no one said anything, thinking the jockeys would call off the rest of the races, which they would have, out of respect to the family.

luise
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:03 PM
I hope that any COTHers down in FL will keep us updated!

jetandmegs4
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:04 PM
Major Jingles. I hope that these are just rumors, and all is continuing to improve for him.

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:04 PM
one of my friends texted me from redhills. There was another horse death on the advanced xc course. The rider is luckily okay.

Please jingle for everyone.

closetoperfectionfarm
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:04 PM
OMG!!!
Is that true that Direct Merger died on course? How is Jon???
What is happening please someone tell us the FACTS!!!!!!!

deltawave
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:04 PM
God, I feel sick. :(

WindWillowStable
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:05 PM
one of my friends texted me from redhills. There was another horse death on the advanced xc course. The rider is luckily okay.

Please jingle for everyone.

Another horse death on top of Jonathan Hollings horse? What a sad day in the eventing world. :(

Badger
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:07 PM
Adding my jingles for Darren. I sure hope that was an incorrect rumor posted on the newspaper website. At the very least, it was incredibly irresponsible to post.

My deepest sympathies to Jon.

What a horrible, horrible day.

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:09 PM
Where will the news conference be? Will it be televised or online?

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:12 PM
Another horse death on top of Jonathan Hollings horse? What a sad day in the eventing world. :(

yes.

TB or not TB?
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:15 PM
Oh my god. Jingles for everyone. What the hell happened there!?

Auburn
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:16 PM
Jingles for everyone involved. Prayers for Darren and his family. God Bless those horses. :sadsmile: :sadsmile: :sadsmile:

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:16 PM
Who is the other horse?? Where can we get info on Red Hills?? This sounds like a really bad nightmare for the eventing world, maybe we all will wake up soon, and none of this has happened.

Nancy!
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:16 PM
Do you know who else's horse it was?

God, what a horrible day. I have a bunch of friends down there and am worried. Jingles to all.

Nancy!

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:17 PM
In all honesty, I'd rather not say right now... it's not the right time.

He was the most amazing horse with a heart of gold and the look of eagles.

clivers
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:18 PM
I feel sick. Any news? What an awful day!

Nancy!
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:19 PM
How very very sad.

Nancy!

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:21 PM
Please tell Jazzy--there are lots of people on here who root for and worry about their favorite horses and riders, just because we aren't there, doesn't mean we don't care, or want to send jingles to the people involved.

AppJumpr08
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:24 PM
I'm sure we'll all know soon enough... I think Jazzy is showing everyone involved with the horse who died a great amount of respect for not sharing the news herself.

Lamma70
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:26 PM
Now I am starting to speculate about the other horse....it wasn't Teddy was it? They were scheduled to start at 3:17 today. I hope to god it wasn't him. I would really rather just have this day start over, and not have anything tragic occur!

I just feel sick about all of this.

magnolia73
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:28 PM
Oh my. I hope Darren is OK. Sounds like an awful day. Horse shows are supposed to be our fun, our joy.

EventingJ
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:29 PM
Yikes, big Jingles for Darren, hope everything is okay. Please let's not speculate on what might have happened, or who could be injured, and wait for press releases - this is how terrible rumors start!!!

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:29 PM
God, I feel sick. :(

Me too!!!! Wow, this is not good!!!:eek::eek::no::no::no::no:

CookiePony
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:33 PM
Jingles for Darren, and my deepest sympathies to Jon Holling and the connections of the other unnamed horse. Godspeed to Direct Merger-- that was an amazing horse who was just hitting his stride.

TB or not TB?
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:35 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to Direct Merger? Aneurysm or?

closetoperfectionfarm
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:41 PM
In all honesty, I'd rather not say right now... it's not the right time.

He was the most amazing horse with a heart of gold and the look of eagles.

I can't get through to any of my friends down there competing, I think everyone is in shock. This is beyond tragic.

Jazzy, you must tell us who the other horse is, it is not a secret ,obviously, and most of us are involved deeply in this eventing community with many friends down there.
Thank you.

pony grandma
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:43 PM
This is the link to the local TV station. Nothing is posted there yet.

http://www.wtxl.tv/Global/category.asp?C=100426&nav=menu594_2

I feel numb. My heart hurts ... for the riders, owners, grooms, spectators, for everyone... and especially for the brave and noble horses.

LexInVA
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:44 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to Direct Merger? Aneurysm or?

I think it's too early to tell exactly unless they've got some really good evidence of one particular thing. We'll have to wait and see. I think we'll know some facts by next week.

jumpjesterjump
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:45 PM
this is what the paper says:

"The horse, Baron Verdi, which Chiacchia was riding at the time of the spill during the preliminary comepetition, didn’t suffer any life-threatening injuries.

Defending champion Jonathon Holling escaped serious injuries when his horse, Direct Merger, collapsed and died at jump No. 8. Holling didn’t appear to have suffered any serious injuries as he was being driven off in a medial cart.

The riders, who were on the short list for this year’s Olympic team, have withdrawn from the Red Hills competition after spills that left one of them hospitalized and a horse dead today."

It doesn't say that Darren died but that a horse died.

retreadeventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:46 PM
Jingling for Darren and Jon, and others who are connected with the accidents today.

I sincerely hope that everyone has only well wishes in mind for the people at the competition, and that the rest of the event remains accident free for riders and horses.

Let's not forget that the event community is known for its manners and positive encouragement, and not worry too much about details until they are given to us in the regular channels. I totally understand the concern but the details of accidents are surely going to be published and available in time. Let's not get too worried about that and keep our well wishes foremost. :)

Foxygrl516
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:47 PM
Now I am starting to speculate about the other horse....it wasn't Teddy was it? They were scheduled to start at 3:17 today. I hope to god it wasn't him. I would really rather just have this day start over, and not have anything tragic occur!

I just feel sick about all of this.

It wasnt' Teddy. Tragic and sad, but not Teddy.

I just feel sick......... absolutely sick...

Badger
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:54 PM
The paper has updated their story. They have added the name of the hospital where Darren was taken, and the information that he is consulting specialists:

"Rider Darren Chiacchia was taken by helicopter to Tallahassee Memorial Hospital with critical injuries. According to a Red Hills release, trauma specialists are coordinating his care."

The unsubstantiated comment (by a reader posting under a screen name in the feedback area at the end of the newspaper's story) has been removed.

News conference should be held in approximately 30 minutes from now.

Also, per the comment earlier in the thread, from the schedule Red Hills has posted on line, Teddy was supposed to complete the x-c course BEFORE Jon Hollings.

TB or not TB?
Mar. 15, 2008, 04:54 PM
I totally understand the concern but the details of accidents are surely going to be published and available in time. Let's not get too worried about that and keep our well wishes foremost. :)

You're absolutely right. I apologize. :yes: I didn't mean to pry on the gory details - I was just wondering if it had been an accident at a fence (like a crash and then collapsed) or something internal that was unrelated to the course itself. :no: Still jingling for everyone.

jodyml813
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:00 PM
Unfortunatly, a couple serious accidents happened today at Red Hills.

In the Preliminary Event, Darren had a bad fall at the 5th fence with Baron Verdi and is in the hospital in Tallahassee. Good news, is Baron is ok, but Darren is in pretty tough shape. My thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery are with Darren and his family tonight.

In the CIC3*-W, Jonathan Hollings's horse, Direct Merger had to be put down after jump 8 "Mouse Trap". "Monty" appeared to collapse on course. Jonathan was unhurt, but badly shaken. My sympathies are with Jonathan and that of owner Janet Olsen.

In the Advanced, Missy Miller lost her horse "Rowdy" after a tragic accident at the water. Missy was uninjured.

Godspeed to the horses and riders who suffered tragedy today.

Debbie
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:00 PM
Adding jingles for all affected by events at Red Hills today. Going out to hug my horses now...:cry:

Badger
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:01 PM
Who designed the course?

Edit: Just found it. Mark Phillips.

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:01 PM
I understand that you want to know, but I don't feel it appropriate at this time. It was not a team combination. Just please continue to pray for these riders and their families and support staff as well as everyone at Red Hills today. What a horrific day for all involved. I feel utterly useless up here waiting desperately for news. The name of the horse will be released when appropriate.

toeknee
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:04 PM
What a horrible day. My prayers are out to all involved. Go hug your horses.

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:07 PM
is anyone going to be at the press conference? How can we find out what is going on? :eek:

Lamma70
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:08 PM
It wasnt' Teddy. Tragic and sad, but not Teddy.

I just feel sick......... absolutely sick...

I'm glad to hear it wasn't Teddy, and apologize for the speculating. I would really hope that this didn't have to happen to any of the horses....or riders. I think I am just in shock, it just seems like a horrible day. My prayers and condolences go to the owners and riders of the fallen horses, and hope that the riders are okay.

Badger
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:08 PM
Jazzy Lady: you are doing the right thing. I'm sure the official word in the upcoming news conference will answer everyone's questions soon enough.

maxxtrot
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:09 PM
i talked to jen holling a couple of hours ago and she said they were now thinking it was an anursyum(sp). she said he died on course.
i am so sorry for them both. glad jon was not badly hurt.
godspeed monty:(

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:14 PM
They have updated the article in the earlier post and are confirming that Darren's condition is critical and they will provide more information at the press conference.

Does anyone if the press conference will be online or anything?

dressagedevon
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:14 PM
Teddy went great today, he only had a little trouble on one fence that I saw, I do know that the horse accident was bad, I didn't want to go down to the fence because I can't handle that kinda stuff, but I do know it was not good. I hope Darren is okay there were a lot of rumors flying around, but I am not going to post them because I don't know them to be TRUE. JINGLES THOUGH FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

KBG Eventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:17 PM
:(

RiverBendPol
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:18 PM
What a shame for the Hollings. There is quite a crowd of lovely animals hanging out in the rolling fields on the other side of The Bridge. Best wishes to Jon and Jen..........

As for Darren, any new news? What does "tough shape" mean??? Details please.

retreadeventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:21 PM
Thanks so much to the COTH folks that are there today, it's great to have what information you are able to provide.


And let's not forget that before we label this day as tragic, there were about what a hundred? other horses and riders who were successful and finished and got around and will compete tomorrow.

DLee
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:24 PM
The day is always tragic when deaths are involved. :(

yellowbritches
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:24 PM
I am not at liberty to say who, but we have word from someone who would know with the USEF that Darren IS alive. It is very critical and very serious, but he is alive.

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:25 PM
I am not at liberty to say who, but we have word from someone who would know with the USEF that Darren IS alive. It is very critical and very serious, but he is alive.

You don't know how happy I am to read this. I pray this is true and it remains this way.

Badger
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:28 PM
And let's not forget that before we label this day as tragic, there were about what a hundred? other horses and riders who were successful and finished and got around and will compete tomorrow.


I hope this sports never sees a day that you would label tragic. This is more than tragic in my book.

IQ3day14
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:31 PM
This is just horrible. I have spent all day stressing and upset and it seems that each time I talk to my friend, something worse has happened. I send all of my thoughts and prayers to Darren, Jon and Direct Merger, and the unnamed horse and everyone else involved. :cry::cry::(

jodyml813
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:31 PM
Update on Darren: He's still at the hospital in Tallahassee. Several rib fractures, but is able to now move his arms and legs. He's still in pretty serious condition.

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:32 PM
Any time a horse gives its life for a human, be it eventing, racing,or whatever it's tragic and it should be remembered as such, IMHO:sadsmile:

IQ3day14
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:32 PM
What happened to Missy Miller???

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:33 PM
Any time a horse gives its life for a human, be it eventing, racing,or whatever it's tragic and it should be remembered as such, IMHO:cry:

dressagedevon
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:33 PM
I am removing this in consideration for the people involved, there will be a press release later. I feel for them and am so sorry!

magnolia73
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:34 PM
Retread, if I had a 1 in 100 chance of coming back from a show partnerless or in a life flight helicopter, I'd skip that show. It sounds like a bad day to me even if they were random, unpreventable accidents. I'm sure there will be a very sad victory gallop tomorrow.

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:34 PM
Tragedy struck the Red Hills Horse Trials on Saturday after a horse dies.

Johnathan Holling who won the Red Hills Horse Trials last year was on the 8th jump when his horse suffered a heart attack and died.

In a separate incident WCTV has received reports that Olympic equestrian athlete Darren Chiacchia was riding a horse when the horse slipped.

Chiacchia was taken to Tallahassee Memorial Hospital still unconscious and his horse is fine.

A press conference will be held at 5:30 and we'll have more on Eyewitness News

from : http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/16705586.html

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:34 PM
Anybody know what's going on at the press conference?

AppJumpr08
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:35 PM
Another meaning a third?

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:35 PM
omg was that student going advance by any chance?

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:35 PM
What happened to Missy Miller???


Her horse flipped and broke its neck...in front of all to see. Really tragic.

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:36 PM
Does that make three horses, or is that the second one?? The second horse's name still hasn't been posted on this thread, but there is another thread going that names him.

saje
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:36 PM
Sound like Darrens horse flipped on him:

http://www.wgrz.com/sports/sports_article.aspx?storyid=56320&provider=gnews

This is indeed a tragic day, no matter how many competitors were successful.

WindWillowStable
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:36 PM
I just got off the phone with a person that just left and they had another horse die, it was one of Darren's students, the horse fell over the first part of a bounce and hit his head on the second part and broke his neck!!! Jingles for everyone please!

Wait, a third horse? Or is this the second horse? I am friends with one of Darren's students/owner of one of his advanced horses and I'm too afraid to call her right now with everything going on.

jodyml813
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:37 PM
Yes, it was in the advanced. I was there, but would rather not post the info until it has been confirmed. 2 horses that I'm aware of, one was Jon's and the other was the yet unnamed horse from the Advanced A divsion.

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:37 PM
missy's horse broke its neck.

vineyridge
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:38 PM
DressageinDevon, does that make 3 horses today or just!! two? :eek:

maxxtrot
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:38 PM
heard there was trouble at the bounce into the water, missy came off and rowdy flipped over. missy is ok health wise, my prayers are with her and her family
godspeed rowdy:(

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:40 PM
It's two. The horse that has now been named was the horse I was keeping quiet. I didn't want speculation to evolve about it. They are obviously going through a very difficult time right now.

dressagedevon
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:40 PM
just two, if that's not enough already. It was a bad day!

closetoperfectionfarm
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:41 PM
Thanks so much to the COTH folks that are there today, it's great to have what information you are able to provide.


And let's not forget that before we label this day as tragic, there were about what a hundred? other horses and riders who were successful and finished and got around and will compete tomorrow.

Retreadeventer........If this isn't TRAGIC , what world do YOU live in?
It is beyond tragic for everyone in this sport, and will affect all of us for a long long time.
Is Missy OK???

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:42 PM
Yes, Missy is uninjured.

AppJumpr08
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:43 PM
Holy Moley..

what a sad sad sad day :cry::cry::cry:

Hugs and jingles for everyone involved.

I'm off to hug my ponies...

maxxtrot
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:43 PM
vineyridge- it is two horses that lost their lives and then darren's accident. his horse was not hurt.

WNT
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:44 PM
Jingles for Darren that he pulls through quickly.

My deepest condolences for everyone touched by the loss of the two Advanced horses.

Sad day.

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:45 PM
omg it was missy's horse!!!?? was it rowdy or her newer one?? :eek::(

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:47 PM
It was Rowdy.:cry::cry::no:

IQ3day14
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:48 PM
my heart just breaks for missy :(

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:53 PM
omg! she loved rowdy! He was an amazing horse!:no:

WNT
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:53 PM
I knew Rowdy when he belonged to a previous student of Darren's that I did Pony Club with in Montana. He was a really cool horse and I got ride a couple times when he was a youngster.

My heart goes out to Missy and her connections. Godspeed Leprechaun's Rowdy Boy, and enjoy the green pastures over the bridge.

tx3dayeventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:54 PM
OMG!! JINGLES to everyone!!!!!! JINGLE JINGLE JINGLE!

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:56 PM
Jingles to all and godspeed to the horses who have left us, glad Missy and Jonathan are ok, does anyone have any official word on what is going on with Darren?

jumpjesterjump
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:57 PM
omg, i know the girl that had Rowdy before Missy. I'm pretty sure she broke and brought him up to Intermediate. She is gonna be sad. :( very sad day for all involved :(

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 05:58 PM
What exactly happenned to rowdy?

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:03 PM
What exactly happenned to rowdy?

I think it best we leave the speculation off the board and just offer support and condolensces.

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:04 PM
Sorry, I wasnt trying to pry... umm any one hear from the press conference?

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:07 PM
I think it best we leave the speculation off the board and just offer support and condolensces.


If ever a time for community it is now.

vineyridge
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:11 PM
My heart is breaking for everyone involved--for the riders, the horses, Darren in particular, and the event organizers. How dreadful the organizers must feel, when this happens at their wonderfully well planned event.

Wasn't it posted a while back that this might be the last year of Red Hills? I hope today's happenings don't affect a decision on continuing it. :sadsmile:

So jingles for everyone concerned, including the competition itself and its organizers and volunteers.

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:12 PM
this is a god reminder that eventing is a dangerous sport. I hope every one is doing well. My prayers and thoughts are with them.

rideforthelaurels16
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:12 PM
Jingles to everyone. I hope Darren emerges unscathed and gets back in the irons ASAP.
As for Missy and Jon, I can't even imagine their suffering right now. Rowdy and Monty were incredible horses. They have the whole eventing community's love right now.

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:13 PM
If someone would post some information from the press conference we could probably stop at least some of the speculation.

retreadeventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:14 PM
Retreadeventer........If this isn't TRAGIC , what world do YOU live in?
It is beyond tragic for everyone in this sport, and will affect all of us for a long long time.
Is Missy OK???

No it is not "beyond tragic". I would hope that it would not "affect" all of us for a long time. Certainly we are sympathetic and hopeful for Darren's recovery. But I won't stop riding because of it.

It is sport.
It is elective.

There are riders who have to ride tomorrow there, and there will be winners, losers, and those in between. They have to keep going. Why should we be less than them? Aren't they your heros?

"Tragic" is what happens to your family who has a member in the military in Iraq, and they do not make it home.

This competition was successfully negotiated by many many horses and riders today. I feel terrible as you do, but do not let the media train you to see only the horrible and dwell on it.

saje
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:18 PM
There are two horses who won't be going home to their families (and yes, the humans who cared for and loved them are family IMO), and they died in service to their owners and riders. I call that tragic.

Darren's injuries are frightening, but that's all at the moment until we know more.

It does NOT lessen the triumphs that other competitors may have this weekend, one can have tragedy and success side by side.

I don't need news media to tell me what is or isn't a tragedy.

JER
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:19 PM
"Tragic" is what happens to your family who has a member in the military in Iraq, and they do not make it home.


Not by your logic. Serving in the US military is also elective.

Loss is tragic. No qualifications needed.

sophie
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:22 PM
I don't need news media to tell me what is or isn't a tragedy.


Ditto, and loss of life is always tragic in my book.
I'm very, very sorry for the 2 horses and their humans, and I hope Darren recovers promptly.

eSpresso
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:26 PM
Jingles for Darren, Jon, Missy and their horses.
and hopes for a speedy recovery for Darren.

c_expresso
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:29 PM
JINGLES. Holy crap I just got home and hadn't heard any news of any of this til now. I am glad Darren is alive, and JINGLES that he gets better ASAP. So glad Beron Verdi is OK too. I watched that horse go novice at Rocking horse in January and my jaw was on the floor the horse was so incredible.

JINGLES to Jon Holling and his wife, SO TRAGIC about their horse.

And I am so glad Missy is OK, what an amazing rider... horrific about her horse.

Jingles and prayers for everyone... what a sad day...

mairzeadoats
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:32 PM
How terribly sad for the 2 horses that died, and tragic their people. Jingles for a full and speedy recovery for Darren.

I know that the high rate of injury and death to horses and riders turned me off to participating in eventing decades ago. Sorry to see it hasn't improved.



No it is not "beyond tragic". I would hope that it would not "affect" all of us for a long time. Certainly we are sympathetic and hopeful for Darren's recovery. But I won't stop riding because of it.

I didn't see anyone on here say there were going to stop riding because of it. I'm sure that this sort of day "affects" a lot of peoples' decision's to participate in eventing, or how to participate, how ambitious to be, whether or not to wear a protective vest, etc. It may "affect" the decision to continue Red Hill. And since the team lost a couple members today, it will certainly "affect" them.



It is sport.
It is elective. .

It's elective for the people. Not for the 2 horses who died today.


There are riders who have to ride tomorrow there, and there will be winners, losers, and those in between. They have to keep going. .

No they don't. As you wrote above, it's "elective." They can choose to continue or choose to withdraw.



Why should we be less than them? Aren't they your heros?.

Why should we be the same as them? Obviously we aren't the same, or we'd be competing at Red Hills instead of watching or reading about it.

What does heroism have to do with it? It is, as you wrote, sport.


"Tragic" is what happens to your family who has a member in the military in Iraq, and they do not make it home. ?.

This is an eventing board. It's not about Iraq. It's about family members going to a sporting event and not making it home.


"This competition was successfully negotiated by many many horses and riders today. I feel terrible as you do, but do not let the media train you to see only the horrible and dwell on it.

What does a person's reaction to 2 deaths and 1 critical injury have to do with "media training?

c_expresso
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:32 PM
Jingles for a full and speedy recovery for Darren... so glad Baron Verdi is unharmed, that horse is simply amazing to watch.

My prayers go out to Jon/Jen and Missy... how horrible. Missy is an amazing rider...

TB or not TB?
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:37 PM
Any updates from the press conference?

Still jingling.

mairzeadoats
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:37 PM
The articles don't say that Baron Verdi was unharmed; only that his injuries are not life-threatening.

Lori T
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:39 PM
Oh, my God. I am in shock at all this news. my deepest sympathies to all.

jodyml813
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:40 PM
Press conference got pushed back to 7 PM. They're still trying to get all the remaining competitors through the course before daylight is gone. Will take place as soon as the competition finishes for the day.

jumpjesterjump
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:42 PM
i'm sorry to hear about everyone, i also knew Rowdy before Missy bought him. I feel for everyone involved. It is a tragic day at Red Hills. I hope Darren has a speedy recovery. :( :)

closetoperfectionfarm
Mar. 15, 2008, 06:50 PM
How terribly sad for the 2 horses that died, and tragic their people. Jingles for a full and speedy recovery for Darren.

I know that the high rate of injury and death to horses and riders turned me off to participating in eventing decades ago. Sorry to see it hasn't improved.




I didn't see anyone on here say there were going to stop riding because of it. I'm sure that this sort of day "affects" a lot of peoples' decision's to participate in eventing, or how to participate, how ambitious to be, whether or not to wear a protective vest, etc. It may "affect" the decision to continue Red Hill. And since the team lost a couple members today, it will certainly "affect" them.




It's elective for the people. Not for the 2 horses who died today.



No they don't. As you wrote above, it's "elective." They can choose to continue or choose to withdraw.




Why should we be the same as them? Obviously we aren't the same, or we'd be competing at Red Hills instead of watching or reading about it.

What does heroism have to do with it? It is, as you wrote, sport.



This is an eventing board. It's not about Iraq. It's about family members going to a sporting event and not making it home.



What does a person's reaction to 2 deaths and 1 critical injury have to do with "media training?

Well stated... thank you.
And this does make me for one, re-evaluate letting both of my YR kids, keep doing this sport, which I grew up doing and still love so very much.
But..... something has really changed .... and it makes me very afraid for my kids.
My heart goes out to Jon and Jen, and Missy and of course Darren, whom we all love dearly. He is such a character and I know this strength of his will help him pull through.

Copper
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:03 PM
JINGLES. Holy crap I just got home and hadn't heard any news of any of this til now. I am glad Darren is alive, and JINGLES that he gets better ASAP. So glad Beron Verdi is OK too. I watched that horse go novice at Rocking horse in January and my jaw was on the floor the horse was so incredible.

JINGLES to Jon Holling and his wife, SO TRAGIC about their horse.

And I am so glad Missy is OK, what an amazing rider... horrific about her horse.

Jingles and prayers for everyone... what a sad day...

I am not trying to stir any pot, and this is horrific and my thoughts are with all through this tragic time, but was Darren's horse going novice in January of THIS year?

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:04 PM
I am not trying to stir any pot, and this is horrific and my thoughts are with all through this tragic time, but was Darren's horse going novice in January of THIS year?


NOT NOW PLEASE....

eventer12
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:04 PM
anyone have any official info from the press conference?

Copper
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:11 PM
NOT NOW PLEASE....

I was asking a question snoopy - that's all, I am not American.

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:13 PM
Snoopy's response to you had nothing to do with where you are or are not from. Good taste should transcend national boundaries and ethnicities. (one would hope). Now is not the time for anything but good wishes for the riders and horses involved, not for speculation about whether they should have been doing what they were doing.

Shrapnel
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:15 PM
Wow...what a terrible day!! :no:

Jingles for Darren, Jon and Missy. :cry:

Reynard Ridge
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:22 PM
Condolences to those who lost their horse's today, and best wishes on a quick recovery for Darren.

Jaegermonster
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:23 PM
They have updated the info on www.tallahassee.com saying he is critical but still not really saying much else. They gave a little more info about the other incidents, sounds like the situation with Rowdy was pretty ugly, poor Missy, I can't imagine.....
still doesn't sound good about Darren, the lack of info is not good.

GreyDun
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:26 PM
Hey guys - no new updates, we're still waiting on a press conference here... so far, Darren's hanging in there in critical condition - I'll let you all know if I hear any news.

Jonathan Holling is okay & I'm sure Missy Miller's devastated. Rough day :no:

Xctrygirl
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:26 PM
From the Rocking horse and USEA sites:

He won the Ocala H.T 1 on 1/12 of this year.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13684

Then he won the novice on him at Rocking Horse this year on 1/27

http://www.rockinghorseht.com/results_winter1.html

The he did training at the Ocala Ht 2 and had some probs on xc with 60 penalties. They finished last in their division:

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13685

But then he won the training at RH on 2/22:

http://www.rockinghorseht.com/results_winter3.html

Then he broke him out at Prelim at the Rocking Horse Spring, over the weekend of 3/7-3/9
And ran him slow and finished 5th, though his dressage was clearly good enough to win (23.30), he incurred 19.2 time faults. I think he just gave him an encouraging go round knowing he was going to be asking him to run back in a week at Red Hills.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13683

According to the horse's USEA qualifications page (Which we all know can be deceiving) He did run some novices in 2005. 3 in all, 2 in which he retired and 1 which he won.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?id=831&horse_id=100894

He has presumably been on the shelf since then, up until this January.

~Emily

rideforthelaurels16
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:31 PM
Jingles for everyone.
This IS a tragedy. If you have ever loved a horse you will know that. Horses ARE family, they don't choose to compete, but they do it because they have so, so much heart.
Jingles to the Hollings, Direct Merger was an awe-inspiring horse and one of my personal favorites.
Jingles to Missy for the loss of her wonderful partner.
And jingles to Darren. I hope we find out something soon. I hope the pushing-back of the press conference doesn't signal something bad.
:(

zagafi
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:40 PM
Major jingles for Darren, Jon, and Missy! Godspeed to the two magnificent equines who went over the bridge today. :-(

ss3777
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:42 PM
Many jingles from NY. Very sad day. My thoughts are with all involved.

Copper
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:42 PM
From the Rocking horse and USEA sites:

He won the Ocala H.T 1 on 1/12 of this year.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13684

Then he won the novice on him at Rocking Horse this year on 1/27

http://www.rockinghorseht.com/results_winter1.html

The he did training at the Ocala Ht 2 and had some probs on xc with 60 penalties. They finished last in their division:

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13685

But then he won the training at RH on 2/22:

http://www.rockinghorseht.com/results_winter3.html

Then he broke him out at Prelim at the Rocking Horse Spring, over the weekend of 3/7-3/9
And ran him slow and finished 5th, though his dressage was clearly good enough to win (23.30), he incurred 19.2 time faults. I think he just gave him an encouraging go round knowing he was going to be asking him to run back in a week at Red Hills.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13683

According to the horse's USEA qualifications page (Which we all know can be deceiving) He did run some novices in 2005. 3 in all, 2 in which he retired and 1 which he won.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?id=831&horse_id=100894

He has presumably been on the shelf since then, up until this January.

~Emily

Thank you Emily - that's all I was asking - just some background on the horse. I understand that people are very emotional, please direct those energies to those in need of them! :)

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:43 PM
how about we all just send our prayers and good thoughts to Darren right now. People can speculate all they want and if people were so inclined to look up the horse's record they could do so themselves. Now is not the time, nor the place to bring up stuff like that.

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:43 PM
From the Rocking horse and USEA sites:

He won the Ocala H.T 1 on 1/12 of this year.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13684

Then he won the novice on him at Rocking Horse this year on 1/27

http://www.rockinghorseht.com/results_winter1.html

The he did training at the Ocala Ht 2 and had some probs on xc with 60 penalties. They finished last in their division:

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13685

But then he won the training at RH on 2/22:

http://www.rockinghorseht.com/results_winter3.html

Then he broke him out at Prelim at the Rocking Horse Spring, over the weekend of 3/7-3/9
And ran him slow and finished 5th, though his dressage was clearly good enough to win (23.30), he incurred 19.2 time faults. I think he just gave him an encouraging go round knowing he was going to be asking him to run back in a week at Red Hills.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&page=results&event=13683

According to the horse's USEA qualifications page (Which we all know can be deceiving) He did run some novices in 2005. 3 in all, 2 in which he retired and 1 which he won.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?id=831&horse_id=100894

He has presumably been on the shelf since then, up until this January.

~Emily



In poor taste....

retreadeventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 07:44 PM
Hey guys - no new updates, we're still waiting on a press conference here...

Thank you, Em. Appreciate your promptness. Sympathies and jingles to all involved in this TRAGEDY. Please. Some manners. And support expressed for those who are competing today, and tomorrow.

KBG Eventer
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:00 PM
I know Missy and Rowdy a little bit although she probably would not recognize who I am, but she used to train with my old trainer. Rowdy was an awesome little horse :(. I am praying for her and everyone else who has had a very tough weekend there. One of my very good friends knew Missy better than me (lives very close to where Missy is from) and is there watching. Just a couple of days ago a friend of ours had her mare die in a freak accident in the pasture. My friend texted me saying she was crying her eyes out again for the same reason and my heart sank.

Xctrygirl
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:00 PM
Horse is fine. Rider is injured. Just showing that Darren did take his time with this one and was probably a normal green horse mistake that could happen to any of us.

clivers
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:02 PM
Jingling for Darren and heartfelt, sincere condolences Jon and Missy on the loss of their spectacular partners. I don't know missy and looked up some pics of her horse competing recently - he was absolutely breathtaking.

One Star
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:04 PM
I am positively reeling from today's events. I know all of the riders who were involved today, and my heart is heavy with so much sadness. Jon lost one of his most promising partners, Missy lost her absolute best friend in front of her very supportive but anxious parents, and her trainer and one of this country's shining stars in eventing was horrifically injured before he really even got dressed up for the big party.

Today is nowhere near the magnitude of the events of 9/11, but I felt today the same way I did when I got that phone call at 9 am to turn on the TV and watch the news coverage of the Twin Towers. Today played out for me pretty much the same way as that fateful day, with one horrific incident after another, my disbelief and shock mounting as I watched news coverage and called friends, and the constant question running through my head, "Is this a bad dream, and I'm suddenly going to wake up?"

I cannot imagine how I am going to face Missy and her parents, and what I am going to say to try to comfort them and offer my condolences.

For Jon and Jen, I pray that God delivers them a healthy and beautiful baby very soon, so that the cycle of life may take an upturn for them.

For Darren, I have lit a candle, and am praying that he pulls through.

All of you, try to do the same, and forget the pettiness for a little while.

There will be plenty of time for that in subsequent days.

VicarageVee
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:08 PM
My prayers for all those involved.

Every time I head out on cross country I ask myself if I could handle it if something happened to my horse. Well, frankly, I couldn't, it would destroy me, so I cannot imagine how the organizers, jump judges, competitors, other horses, families, and owners feel right now.

What a dark day.

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:10 PM
Rowdy was one in a million. Not only was he Missy's horse, he was her best friend. I am still in shock over this whole thing.

Please leave judgemental comments aside. Focus on what matters.

Fred
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:11 PM
Jingles for everyone involved. Prayers for Darren and his family. God Bless those horses. :sadsmile: :sadsmile: :sadsmile:


Adding my jingles, prayers, and heartfelt condolences to all.
a very sad and dark day.

jodyml813
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:12 PM
I am positively reeling from today's events. I know all of the riders who were involved today, and my heart is heavy with so much sadness. Jon lost one of his most promising partners, Missy lost her absolute best friend in front of her very supportive but anxious parents, and her trainer and one of this country's shining stars in eventing was horrifically injured before he really even got dressed up for the big party.

I cannot imagine how I am going to face Missy and her parents, and what I am going to say to try to comfort them and offer my condolences.

For Jon and Jen, I pray that God delivers them a healthy and beautiful baby very soon, so that the cycle of life may take an upturn for them.

For Darren, I have lit a candle, and am praying that he pulls through.

All of you, try to do the same, and forget the pettiness for a little while.

There will be plenty of time for that in subsequent days.

A very nice tribute. I was there today and am truly sorry to say I witnessed the terrible events that happened. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who was involved.

SilverBalls
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:18 PM
Godspeed to the horses and my condolences to the owners involved. Very tragic:(

I hope Darren pulls through! One Star... thanks for your heartfelt comments.

mythical84
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:21 PM
Sending my prayers off to Darren.

FairWeather
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:22 PM
Passing along from a dear friend of Darren's, she wanted to make sure that people knew this--
He is in STABLE but CRITICAL condition and receiving excellent care.

Please think good thoughts for him.

eponacowgirl
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:23 PM
Jingling like mad over here- I hope we get an update soon.

ETA: Typed as previous update was made! What timing.

Glad for some goodish news, even if its not spectacular!

TwinGates
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:24 PM
Major prayers, jingles and anything else that can help for Darren.

{{Hugs}} to those reeling from the loss of their beloved horses tonight and Godspeed to their beloved mounts.

bornfreenowexpensive
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:25 PM
very sad....sending prayers out to all involved.

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:29 PM
The Rainbow Bridge is a busy place these days, but I take comfort knowing that the races and events are going on with gusto there!!!!:cry::cry::cry:

hookedoneventing
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:30 PM
that is good news about Darren...my thoughts are with all involved today, such a tragic day...

and for the record it is so irritating to me that someone would go and post unconfirmed rumors on a media site such as was done on tallahassee.com.

Shrapnel
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:34 PM
that is great news about Darren...my thoughts are with all involved today, such a tragic day...

and for the record it is so irritating to me that someone would go and post unconfirmed rumors on a media site such as was done on tallahassee.com.


Well said hookedoneventing!

More jingles and prayers for Darren.

One Star
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:38 PM
I just spoke with some friends competing at Red Hills, and I understand that Corinne and Dobbin retired on the cross country course after some difficulties.

All around, a weekend we'd like to rewind the tape on... :(

Lamma70
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:41 PM
I know Missy and Rowdy a little bit although she probably would not recognize who I am, but she used to train with my old trainer. Rowdy was an awesome little horse :(. I am praying for her and everyone else who has had a very tough weekend there. One of my very good friends knew Missy better than me (lives very close to where Missy is from) and is there watching. Just a couple of days ago a friend of ours had her mare die in a freak accident in the pasture. My friend texted me saying she was crying her eyes out again for the same reason and my heart sank.

I cannot even imagine what Missy is going through. I have been crying about it by just reading the stories and news....there was a news article that went into great detail about what happened. What a horrible thing to have happen, and I hope she knows that we are all thinking about her....and Jonathan....and Darren. :no:

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:45 PM
What did CMP say at the press release?

eSpresso
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:47 PM
I cannot even imagine what Missy is going through. I have been crying about it by just reading the stories and news....there was a news article that went into great detail about what happened. What a horrible thing to have happen, and I hope she knows that we are all thinking about her....and Jonathan....and Darren. :no:

I read the updated News report a while ago and I started crying also.
I just keep thinking of what I would do in that situation, it would completely tear me apart.

Jingles again for everyone involved in these tragic accidents today.

mairzeadoats
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:48 PM
Well, apparently they did the press announcement about 1/2 hour ago, but didn't give any more info than what we already know about Darren and that one horse dropped dead. They did say that Baron Verdi was uninjured. No mention of Rowdy. A hospital spokesman said he had no information on Darren's condition.

mbj
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:49 PM
Nothing more to say, just adding my prayers to all involved in today's tragedies.

eventer4ever
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:54 PM
Here's what I got from the Red Hills site-

RED HILLS HORSE TRIALS

MARCH 15, 2008


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


DARREN CHIACCHIA HAS BEEN ADMITTED TO TALLAHASSEE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL TRAUMA UNIT WITH CRITICAL INJURIES. MORE TESTS ARE BEING PERFORMED AND THE APPROPRIATE TRAUMA SPECIALISTS ARE COORDINATING HIS CARE.



PLEASE JOIN RED HILLS HORSE TRIALS IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS FOR DARREN. WE WILL UPDATE YOU AS WE KNOW MORE INFORMATION. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CALLING THE HOSPITAL. UPDATES WILL BE GIVEN AS AVAILABLE AND APPROPRIATE.

FOR UPDATES PLEASE CHECK THE RED HILLS HORSE TRIALS WEBSITE:

www.RHHT.org

mbj
Mar. 15, 2008, 08:58 PM
Foxhavenfarm, according to his record, BV first went Novice in 2005. So probably he is not quite the green bean you imply.

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:00 PM
This horse went from NOVICE IN JANUARY to PRELIM at Red Hills in MARCH!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek::eek: 'Nuff said.

We were there most of the day, but fortunately not for Darren's accident. Are thoughts are with the Hollings and with Missy Miller and their families as with Darren and we hope he makes a full recovery. It was indeed a tragic day...

Can we please focus on the fact that Darren is lying in a hospital, fighting for his life, and NOT the level at which his horse was competing two months ago??
Sometimes, people just amaze me!!!:eek::eek:

Frankly, I think the emphasis needs to remain that Darren is seriously injured, not whether his horse belonged at the level in which his horse was competing!!!

If this were you, would you want people questioning you, or would you just rather have their well wishes and hope for a speedy recovery?? "Judge not, lest ye be judged" folks!!

I for one, don't really give a hoot if Darren's horse was going BN, or Prelim this spring, the fact remains that there has been a terrible accident and someone is gravely injured due to that accident!!!!

FairWeather
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:02 PM
This horse went from NOVICE IN JANUARY to PRELIM at Red Hills in MARCH!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek::eek: 'Nuff said.
Can the jerks just pipe down for, like, 48 hours at least?

KLASSY!

Platinum Equestrian
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:03 PM
More jingles from Florida.

Platinum Equestrian
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:04 PM
How heartbreaking for the riders... I can't imagine. Prayers for everyone close to these animals.

deltawave
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:06 PM
You can't fight human nature. Tragedy brings out the best in some, the worst in others. :no:

foxhavenfarm
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:06 PM
Geez!!! Thanks so much all!! I wasn't trying to be a jerk-really...I was in NO WAY trying to belittle the enormity of the tragic ACCIDENT that occured today. I have been sick with it all day, trust me! I have deleted my previous post and will no longer post anything but jingles and well wishes. At least I know I am not the only one with the thought that maybe it could have been prevented.

Again, our thoughts are with all involved and we hope Darren pulls through.

LAZ
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:08 PM
Best wishes from Indiana. I spent a little time at Darren's Ocala place a few years ago and I know how close this group of people are. All of this must be a blow that is nearly unbearable for the people involved.

sofiethewonderhorse
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:09 PM
Can the jerks just pipe down for, like, 48 hours at least?


Well said.

A sorrowful, sorrowful day at Red Hills. My heart goes out to Darren, Jon, Jen, Missy their family's and ALL of the other competitors and their mounts.

A sad, sad day all the way around.

Kathryn

BarbB
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:11 PM
What a horrible, horrible day for everyone, including the organizers and the other competitors.
Best wishes for a full, quick recovery for Darren and my heart is breaking for Missy.
:cry:

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:12 PM
The reasons Darren ran his horse Novice in Jan may be far different than his competitive abilities--maybe he wanted to give him some easy runs before the season hit full swing, maybe he knew how hard the season would be, and wanted a refresher before the hard stuff, maybe the horse has had an issue at a certain spot on the course in the past, and he wanted to get him past that without taxing him, there're lots of reasons this horse may have been compteting at a lower level earlier in the year. I know that in horse racing, it is common to give a graded stakes horse an easy allowance race in order to accomplish several things---build confidence with an easy win, horse has been off for a while,doesn't get fit in the mornings, needs the "pressure" of a true race scenario, there could be any number of reasons---just like I'm sure there were reasons for Darren to have BV at the Novice level in January-- and they are his reasons-- not our place to judge-- it is our place to hope he is OK, and wish him a speedy recovery.

Snapdragon
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:18 PM
Foxhaven, that's just the thing. When someone is suddenly and unexpectedly seriously injured (or down and out, or has died, or whatever the tragedy is), the ONLY thing you should do is offer your condolences and support. You can speculate in your own mind about the what ifs, but it's best to leave the speculating out of public view.

The people who are closest to the person in trouble really don't want to hear about what could have been done differently. I'm not trying to be mean, just let you know that there is a time and place to openly speculate about a personal tragedy, and right after it's happened isn't the time.

I'm wishing Darren and those who lost their beautiful horses all the best.

ddashaq
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:22 PM
The reasons Darren ran his horse Novice in Jan may be far different than his competitive abilities--maybe he wanted to give him some easy runs before the season hit full swing, maybe he knew how hard the season would be, and wanted a refresher before the hard stuff, maybe the horse has had an issue at a certain spot on the course in the past, and he wanted to get him past that without taxing him, there're lots of reasons this horse may have been compteting at a lower level earlier in the year, I know that in horse racing, it is common to give a graded stakes horse an easy allowance race in order to accomplish several things---build confidence with an easy win, horse has been off for a while,doesn't get fit in the mornings, needs the "pressure" of a true race scenario, there could be any number of reasons---just like I'm sure there were reasons for Darren to have BV at the Novice level in January-- and they are his reasons-- not our place to judge-- it is our place to hope he is OK, and wish him a speedy recovery.

Exactly. You said what I was thinking in a much nicer way than I would have managed.

Still jingling like mad for Darren and his family, and my condolences to those who lost horses today.:no:

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:30 PM
I just spoke with some friends competing at Red Hills, and I understand that Corinne and Dobbin retired on the cross country course after some difficulties.

All around, a weekend we'd like to rewind the tape on... :(


Corinne did indeed retire on XC...Only three managed to get round with out jumping faults!!!!

Trixie
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:33 PM
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to Darren, and my condolences to those who lost their horses.

:(

ne900
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:38 PM
Isn't Missy one of Darren's students?

pinkdiamondracing
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:43 PM
I wish Darren a speedy recovery even though I don't know him. My heart really and truly goes out to Johnathan,who I met last year at Rolex--he and Direct Merger were stalled right across from my sister and her horse, I got to know he and Jen through the failure of their Game Ready. I had the one that my boss (who is a racehorse trainer and vet here in Lexington) had loaned us to use on Tony, and theirs was not working, and I offered to let them use mine.
My heart also goes out to Missy --the heartache of losing your best friend and comrade-in-arms is truly devastating--I don't know what I would have done if my mother hadn't helped me save mine (at the age of 19) through life-saving colic surgery which I could have never afforded at the time-- he is now 23 and I am happy to say sassy as ever. MOM--if you are reading this--THANK YOU!!!! I couldn't imagine my life without Orbit, and the reason he is still here is because of YOU!!

I am Jingling like crazy for all those who competed today--and suffered the ultimate loss-- the loss of a partner.:cry::cry:

Lisa Cook
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:52 PM
XC results are up. Actually, quite a bit more than 3 managed to make it around without xc jumping faults. Time faults are a whole 'nother story, though.

http://www.rhht.org/2008_XC_Results.htm

CANTEREOIN
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:56 PM
that can help Missy and Jonathan at this time. I pray for their peace. Condolences to them and their families.

Darren, may this be a brief touch time in your life, may you heal quickly and completely... My prayers will be for you tonight.

ponygirl
Mar. 15, 2008, 09:58 PM
Jingles and heart felt hugs to those that need them.

On Fire
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:01 PM
Our thoughts and prayers are with Darren and his family and will be until he is fully recovered. He is a class act, and an outstanding advocate and spokesman for our beloved sport. Please, please be ok.

VCT
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:02 PM
:cry:

Amchara
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:15 PM
Jingles and support from Wa!

snoopy
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:15 PM
XC results are up. Actually, quite a bit more than 3 managed to make it around without xc jumping faults. Time faults are a whole 'nother story, though.

http://www.rhht.org/2008_XC_Results.htm



OOPPPS sorry, I had heard this number from corinne but maybe before all horses went round.

Nigel
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:16 PM
There were only TWO horses double clear at the whole event?!?!:eek::eek::eek: Were the courses harder than most thought or was it wheeled funky?

fernie fox
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:16 PM
I just got home from Red Hills.

What a fabulous well run Event ,But what a tragic day.

My prayers and jingles to all involved.

cspears
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:19 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with all 3 families and friends of those today.
May God watch over the rest of the riders tomorrow and every day there after.

Here is to a speedy recovery Darren.

Jonathon and Missy- bless your hearts.

VCT
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:30 PM
Just horribly tragic. I just got off the phone with my friends mother... friend was/is competing there this weekend and she told me all she knew...

I send my best wishes out to Darren for a speedy and full recovery. For his horse too, if it was injured.

For Jon and Missy... there are no words sufficient. They have my deepest sympathies.... I cannot imagine what they are going through.

My stomach was in knots today waiting to hear if a friend of mine and her horse made it through ok.

Fuego
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:30 PM
Geeze, what's with the insane time faults for almost every rider? What was with the course?

(My heart is bleeding for Missy and Jon and I'm praying for Darren. I just finished crying after reading that press release):cry:

ChocklateChipConfetti
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:42 PM
I was out on the course today as a jump judge. It was a very difficult day for everyone that was there. My prayers are with Darren, Missy and Jon. Good luck to all and God's speed!

hookedoneventing
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:42 PM
quotes from Darren's brother about his condition:

http://www.wgrz.com/sports/sports_article.aspx?storyid=56320&provider=gnews

Tallabred
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:44 PM
I was not there this year but last year I was amazed that the horse lived that fell at jump 17, the dolphin dance.

The dolphins tail was below the level of the water so it could not be seen. The horse stepped on it, slipped and flipped over the jump.

It is a very dangerous jump.

mairzeadoats
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:48 PM
Here is more detail from his brother. Apparently Baron flipped and landed on top of him. He has a serious head injury, 4 broken ribs, and a collapsed and bleeding lung -- all on the left side.

http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/300247.html

HECS04
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:51 PM
Thank you all for the updates and the news links! JINGLING for all of those involved!!!! This is horribly sad :cry:

LynLyn
Mar. 15, 2008, 10:59 PM
Thanks for the Buffalo news link. Vibing like mad that his brain is OK.

4Martini
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:05 PM
Jingles from Colorado!

yellowbritches
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:07 PM
Thinking positively here..."serious head injury" can mean a large range of things. The boss was air lifted out of Waredaca a few years ago after a rotational fall. He had a nasty concussion that they considered a "serious head injury." Let's all hope this is what we're talking about for Darren.

My heart is breaking right now. I'm in total shock. Jingling like mad for Darren, and offering what I can to Jon and Missy...I can't even imagine...:cry::no:

DLee
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:10 PM
Remembering Ralph and his amazing, amazing recovery, hoping and jingling for Darren, his family and support team... :sadsmile:

RunForIt
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:17 PM
Thinking positively here..."serious head injury" can mean a large range of things. The boss was air lifted out of Waredaca a few years ago after a rotational fall. He had a nasty concussion that they considered a "serious head injury." Let's all hope this is what we're talking about for Darren.

My heart is breaking right now. I'm in total shock. Jingling like mad for Darren, and offering what I can to Jon and Missy...I can't even imagine...:cry::no:

For what its worth, I stupidly got on a horse without a helmet 8 years ago to make it leave the barn for its owner, slammed the beast with a crop, and he proceded to slam my head against the ground 2 or 3 times - airlifted to Atlanta and lived to talk and ride and teach little kids to read. Here's hoping and praying for even more for Darren.

My heart is breaking too, Amanda - for all involved. The image of Missy realizing what is happening to her horse is going to be with me for a long, long time. Difficult not to love Jon Holling - Monty was a super horse - shouldn't have had this fate shared with Rowdy.

I think all of our hearts are breaking for our sport - its breaking people and horses at all too great a rate, for whatever is the reason...its happening too often. Too many people are crying.

HECS04
Mar. 15, 2008, 11:17 PM
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/VIDEO/80315017/0/FSU06


Just wanted to throw that video into the mix in case anyone wanted to see it.

SuperSTB
Mar. 16, 2008, 12:14 AM
Jingles for Darren...

tx3dayeventer
Mar. 16, 2008, 12:31 AM
What a sad sad day.

Lots of jingles and prayers for Darren and his speedy recovery. Hopefully he can lick this like he did when he broke both hips at Bromont. He is one heck of a tough guy. Jingle Jingle!

A HUGE virtual hug for Jon and Missy both. I understand the loss of a top partner like that and it is as horrible as imagined and possibly worse. Big hugs to both.

I am at a loss of words and so many people before me have said what I mean but so much more eliquently.

FLeckenAwesome
Mar. 16, 2008, 12:44 AM
how very very sad. I just want to go out and hug my horse!

My prayers and thoughts for everyone this day.
Darren was sooo nice! He talked to me at the AEC's...just a lowly little competitor on her big goofy app and was just so friendly and nice.
I hope he has a speedy recovery!!

and my hearts are breaking for those who lost their horses....

sending lots of prayers everyones way.

TB or not TB?
Mar. 16, 2008, 01:18 AM
I think all of our hearts are breaking for our sport - its breaking people and horses at all too great a rate, for whatever is the reason...its happening too often. Too many people are crying.

I've been checking this thread all day and keeping up without crying my eyes out, but your post made me lose it. Especially the part about poor Missy. And I agree with the quoted statement wholeheartedly.

Kenike
Mar. 16, 2008, 01:39 AM
jingling for Darren, and crying for Missy & Jon. I've seen Darren, don't know much of anything about the other two, but loss like this is felt deep

I readily admit that I cried, I really cried when I read about Missy's reaction. Completely heartbreaking.

Marieke
Mar. 16, 2008, 07:07 AM
I'm not an eventer, but a friend of mine is, and I looked online to see how she did (very well) and a video her husband posted, and the girl can ride, and she has an amazing team with her horse. Here's the video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V0geyBAo2VM

Scares the Bizeejz out of me

Marieke
Mar. 16, 2008, 07:08 AM
I'm of course jingling like crazy for Darren. We play in the same sandbox (WNY) and wish him a very speedy recovery.

2hsmommy
Mar. 16, 2008, 07:16 AM
Jingling for all :(

BigRuss1996
Mar. 16, 2008, 07:43 AM
I am sure she was told what to say and not say to the press.



It may be just me but I felt like that woman in the video was rather unsympathetic. Dunno.

Thanks for all of the updates, sending healing vibes to Darren.

One Star
Mar. 16, 2008, 08:58 AM
I'm not an eventer, but a friend of mine is, and I looked online to see how she did (very well) and a video her husband posted, and the girl can ride, and she has an amazing team with her horse. Here's the video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V0geyBAo2VM

Scares the Bizeejz out of me

Beth and Tantibes were in the same Advanced division as Missy. :( And yes, very scary big jumps, but you'll notice something interesting about how Beth rode through those fences -- a very collected, showjumpy type of canter. And it was a bit of a problem for her at the corner. :eek:

Don't you realize how taxing it is for the horses to have to ride around a course that way? Both mentally and physically?

Placing in an event by attrition is not a good way for us to be getting our ribbons. :no: Props to Beth, who's a lovely gal and has been around this game for a long time, but what a sorry statement about a division when half the riders don't complete...

FairWeather
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:07 AM
was Beth's ride typical? Sounds like you had to have the showjumpy canter out there?
even my non-horsey SO watched that and said "they look like they are in stadium"

GB Trail Rider
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:19 AM
Beth's ride does look like a stadium round.

mbj
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:30 AM
Praying for all involved.
My heart goes out to Jonathon and Missy and those who loved and cared for those two horses.
Also want to second the previous poster's comment about how friendly Darren is to so many, including those of us who are not ULR. He has a wonderful wit, works incredibly hard and is always generous with his time for those who ask. He and his stallion are such handsome guys-- eye candy!!

Hilary
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:32 AM
I thought Beth's round looked a little slow but I think this may her first Advanced with this mare, who while talented is kind of a tricky ride. She's worked really hard with her to maintain a good tempo, and I'll bet she was being conservative. That's what came to mind when I watched her.

Better to get time penalties than to be careening around.

ColoredHares
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:39 AM
We were jump judging at fences 6a-6b, and 9 (Prelim), and yes, those that came through the smoothest (safest) did so at a 'showjumpy' pace. Fence 7 (or 10) came up very quickly after ours (a range of 4-8 strides), and had a turn on a few of the courses. There was a fairly long gallop up to 6 (or 9), so there was an opportunity to carry more pace. But, those riders who didn't really slow down, did have some trouble with 6-7 or 9-10.

There were some absolutely beautiful rides through our area! :yes:

One Star
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:39 AM
Actually, Beth had done advanced with the mare at Rocking Horse in February, and they placed fourth in a division which had included Karen O, Kyle, Darren, the Lesley/ies, Sandra Donnely, and Dorothy Crowell.

Hilary
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:41 AM
Oh good for Beth! I knew she was planning to move up this winter, just didn't know where.

Marieke
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:50 AM
I most certainly claim to know NOTHING about eventing. I'm just glad that she did ok. I do know how incredibly challenging and event like such is. It demands respect for both the horse and the rider. You have to make decision and be a team. "Road conditions' change, questions change. Riding it like a show jump may have been required at that point for her and her horse.

Just plain incredible. To all the riders and horses.

But, and I'm sure I misunderstand you, forgive me if I do. I'm sorry that a majority of the riders didn't finish. However, to those that have finished. More power to them. It is a combination of skill, conditions, partnership. For those who can make that come together, in the face of adversity, it shows a mental toughness, and capability that should be admired. In competition it is about who is the best, I don't like to see people/horses actually die because of competition, but the fact that some completed the course should be considered a victory to them. Things do need to change to prevent such bad things.

For alot of people, knowing that others have failed, can make a huge difference in their 'play'.

I love observing top sport. How athletes focus, and make decisions. Especially in adversity, and the ability to overcome adversity. That in my opion makes and athlete. Not just physical, but also mental.

And I may not know a thing about eventing, I do know about mental and physical challenges of top sports. My husband was at the worldchampionships of Triathlons, I am completing my sports psychology, and I'm riding, have ridden actually, at the top and train horses. MEntal and physical challenges are very 'interesting' to me. Other people collect stamps, I observe athletes.

I know Beth and Tantibes had their trials and tribulations. Not everything has been roses and moonlight all the time. I'm always excited when Beth either emails me or calls me about how they are doing. I think Beth is an amazing rider, very good at developing a horse. She challenges a horse, yet doesn't go overboard. And she is a very pleasant person and so is her husband.

Regal Grace
Mar. 16, 2008, 09:59 AM
At the the toll taken at Red Hills. I just logged on to the USEA site to see the results of XC and my jaw dropped when I saw the news about J.Holling/Direct Merger, Darren C., Missy Miller and Leprechauns Rowdy Boy. My deepest sympthy to Mr. Holling Ms. Miller and that Darren pulls through whatever injuries he has sustained.

grayarabpony
Mar. 16, 2008, 10:05 AM
Corinne did indeed retire on XC...Only three managed to get round with out jumping faults!!!!


Obviously there are some problems with that course....:no:

I feel so bad for Missy.

judgment
Mar. 16, 2008, 10:06 AM
how about we all just send our prayers and good thoughts to Darren right now. People can speculate all they want and if people were so inclined to look up the horse's record they could do so themselves. Now is not the time, nor the place to bring up stuff like that.

wow - are you just the posting police on every bulletin board you are on.

I found the information helpful in understanding what is going on for those of us that may not know a lot or like to understand what happened.

Perhaps we should follow our own advise and just post best wishes.

Of course everyone offers their best wishes for the riders and their horses we also just want to get some background.

annikak
Mar. 16, 2008, 10:42 AM
What a cluster.

I am so sorry for Darren- and his support crew and family. They are indeed a very tight knit group, and this must be a very hard time for all of them. My heart breaks for them.:cry::cry::cry:

I am so sorry for Missy and for Jon. What a sad situation. Jingles to them all who face an empty stall this morning.


I do take some issues with Jon's horse. This horse had cardiac issues before and collapsed at Rolex and had the screens put up right after XC. He did go on to do stadium the next day (and did well), but should a horse that had known cardiac issues continue at that level?

Jon is a lovely rider, as is Jen, and I like them greatly. But if we are to continue to protect our sport, and not create images like this that are publicly displayed, perhaps we do need to bring back a certain amount of accountability to our decisions to run our horses if we have a known pre existing condition.

Frankly, that makes me quite angry. The horse did not have a choice in the matter, AND as they are the amazing creatures that they are, they try their hearts out for us. In this case...nuff said. ( I fear I need a flame suit- how sad is that?)

Jazzy Lady
Mar. 16, 2008, 10:42 AM
You know what Judgement, you can take your judgement elsewhere. Anyone who's been on this board knows that there are some people who don't care for Darren. Some of us were trying to keep negative energy off the board. I'm also close with one of the riders, so I didn't want anything negative being said about her when all she needs is our blessings. Honestly. Take you personal addendum elsewhere. But welcome to the board.

Waiting anxiously for updates from friends and family. Cummon Darren, we are ALL pulling for you!!!

deltawave
Mar. 16, 2008, 10:43 AM
Sorry if I'm being obtuse, but where did the Darren update thread go? :confused: Thinking about everyone who suffered so much yesterday.