Nursemare needed in the Houston ,Texas area

[Blacklabs]

I'm cross referencing this information, hoping someone can help

Mare had colic surgery right after foaling and did well and colic again yesterday and died at A&M.

Owner is looking for nurse mare for filly.


Here's link

http://latigo.marestare.com/forum/index.php?topic=5605.msg153520#new

Info on mare and filly

http://latigo.marestare.com/forum/index.php?topic=4201.0


Thanks in advance for everyone that can help.

[Proud To Be Spotted]

Just a litlle bump for the poor filly.

[wildREDhorse]

Oh no! I am so sad to hear that :(

[Fairview Horse Center]

Here is the link to information on raising an orphan foal using an igloo cooler. http://members.aol.com/fairviewhorsectr/igloo.html

[Sukey1971]

in the Bryan/College Station area. The last I heard it cost $1500 to use. They will send you a nursemare, you must rebreed her at your own expense so she can be in foal when you return her. I used to have the telephone number for it (I had an orphan foal a few years ago) but I no longer have it. Maybe you can try calling the Texas A&M vet clinic for it?

[Fairview Horse Center]

Just remember that when you use a nursemare, not only will the nursemare's sometimes day old foal lose its moma, but the foal you breed for her next years "job" will lose its mom too. That is 2 foals that may have a very questionable, sad, and possibly short life. OTOH, if you can find a mare that lost her baby, or adopt another foal to raise with yours, it will save you money, and you can have done a good deed. You can also use the protocol to bring a mare into milk that has had a baby in the past. Another option is to find an older, retired broodmare. Many of those would LOVE to have a job raising a new foal, and along with the igloo cooler, your job can be easy.

[Blacklabs]

Thanks everyone I've passed on your suggestions.Her vet has loaned her mare as a friend.So far the mare and filly are next to each other in separate stalls.The filly had a rough day yesterday but today with her friend next door she has settled down and has finally taken a nap and eating some.
They did meet and greet this afternoon and went well.

They are trying to bring this mare into milk, she has a small bag and vet in working with hormones to get mare to produce milk for the filly.For the time being the filly has a a friend next to her.

They still are looking for a nursemare and have tracked down many leads but nothing has worked out.


Updates are on the link.

[Fairview Horse Center]

The link with the cooler has a protocol to bring a mare into milk. I believe it has about a 90?% success rate.

[Samotis]

wait, so let me clarify. People actually breed mares so they can only use the milk for another foal? Then their foal gets no milk and dies? If that is the case, that is terrible:no:

[Fairview Horse Center]

Nursemare services put the new baby and its mom on a trailer to go several states to the farm of the nursemare request. The foal stays on the trailer while its mom meets her new baby. Then it hauled by itself back home to be raised as an orphan with other orphan foals. Some end up dying - that is a lot of stress on a new baby. Some end up being sold for meat. These foals are not bred for conformation, gaits, or any ability. They are bred to any stallion, just to get them to produce milk the next year. It is such a shame. There is a better way to bring a mare into milk, and you don't have to make more unwanted horses to do that.

[Samotis]

I think that is terrible! I had no idea that people did this. Seems a little counterproductive to me. I don't care if the orphan foal could be a future Kentucky Derby winner, you are basically killing another foal for no reason! Very sad:(

[Blacklabs]

Update they have found a 21 tb mare that has milk, she's was wearning her foal so a perfect match. mare was going to retire.

The filly just nursed for the first time since losing her Mom, and they now are trying to accept each other.

Filly took a turn for the worst last night and really needed a mare to be in with her and today one was found. Will update as they progress.Vets and owner with them now

Thanks for all your help and jingles. Keep sending them, they sure need it.

[wildREDhorse]

I'm so glad to hear they found one. Hope it works out.

I kept thinking, mine would love a baby, but sure doesn't have any milk (maiden) that likes to "babysit" or pretend babies are her own.

I even sent out an e-mail to some horse people in the area with the situation.

Oh, I really hope it works out for the best. *sigh*

Is there anything like a "milk bank" for horses? They do it for humans... Mom's can donate if they have too much milk, lose their baby, etc. http://www.hmbana.org/

[Blacklabs]

Thanks WRH for sending on to others.The mare found is named Judy and was going to retire as a broodmare and they were weaning her from last foal.

The filly loved the mare immediately and Judy is warming up to the filly. Today after nursing, the filly was taken away and Judy was quite distraught so seems to be working. They continue to monitor them closely and everyone is working to make sure this works out for filly and mare.
The filly is nursing and has come back around.

Thanks for all the jingles

[wildREDhorse]

Any new updates?

[Blacklabs]

Lucy the TB mare didin't work either. Will leave update later.

Thanks for asking

[Lenny]

wait, so let me clarify. People actually breed mares so they can only use the milk for another foal? Then their foal gets no milk and dies? If that is the case, that is terrible:no:

Thats not the case. Unfortunately there are people that would let you believe that propaganda. They would rather let you be confused than help your foal. The Nursemare is bred to have a foal,but Some Nursemares are brought into milk with the use of drugs. This process is not all the time successful. The Nursemare that has the foal does go to an orphan at a different farm. Her foal is brought back home and raised by professionals. The foals are raised in groups until their ready to be sold to good homes. Some of thse foals are well bred and make great sporthorses. I know only what Sandy at Sandys Nursemare Service does. I can't confirm what others do. Most Nursemare farms do sell their foals. Fact...... The foals are transported with their mothers. The only thing that happens to then i they get trailer broke. They don't get sick, They don't die. They don't have problems rideing long trips. Fact.... Orphan Foals that have been rised by Nursemares are often better horses. For many reasons. I hope I have helped you with this Myth that some people like to spread around.

[Lenny]

Nursemare services put the new baby and its mom on a trailer to go several states to the farm of the nursemare request. The foal stays on the trailer while its mom meets her new baby. Then it hauled by itself back home to be raised as an orphan with other orphan foals. Some end up dying - that is a lot of stress on a new baby. Some end up being sold for meat. These foals are not bred for conformation, gaits, or any ability. They are bred to any stallion, just to get them to produce milk the next year. It is such a shame. There is a better way to bring a mare into milk, and you don't have to make more unwanted horses to do that.

Thers alot of speculation here. All Nursemare Farms don't work this way. There is only one Nursemare Service here in the East. Sandys Nursemare Service. She does the nursemare thing the right way. I have explained this over and over again. Theres a difference in a Farm and a service. I'm not going to get into the whole thing now. The mare can be brought into milk with the use of drugs. BUT all mares don't make nursemares. They have to want the foal. Even proven nursemares will reject useing this process. Foals raised by Nursemares do better than the ones raised with bottles, buckets or the Iglue.

[Lenny]

Nursemare services put the new baby and its mom on a trailer to go several states to the farm of the nursemare request. The foal stays on the trailer while its mom meets her new baby. Then it hauled by itself back home to be raised as an orphan with other orphan foals. Some end up dying - that is a lot of stress on a new baby. Some end up being sold for meat. These foals are not bred for conformation, gaits, or any ability. They are bred to any stallion, just to get them to produce milk the next year. It is such a shame. There is a better way to bring a mare into milk, and you don't have to make more unwanted horses to do that.

Thers alot of speculation here. All Nursemare Farms don't work this way. There is only one Nursemare Service here in the East. Sandys Nursemare Service. She does the nursemare thing the right way. I have explained this over and over again. Theres a difference in a Farm and a service. I'm not going to get into the whole thing now. The mare can be brought into milk with the use of drugs. BUT all mares don't make nursemares. They have to want the foal. Even proven nursemares will reject useing this process. Foals raised by Nursemares do better than the ones raised with bottles, buckets or the Iglue.

[Lenny]

Nursemare services put the new baby and its mom on a trailer to go several states to the farm of the nursemare request. The foal stays on the trailer while its mom meets her new baby. Then it hauled by itself back home to be raised as an orphan with other orphan foals. Some end up dying - that is a lot of stress on a new baby. Some end up being sold for meat. These foals are not bred for conformation, gaits, or any ability. They are bred to any stallion, just to get them to produce milk the next year. It is such a shame. There is a better way to bring a mare into milk, and you don't have to make more unwanted horses to do that.

Thers alot of speculation here. All Nursemare Farms don't work this way. There is only one Nursemare Service here in the East. Sandys Nursemare Service. She does the nursemare thing the right way. I have explained this over and over again. Theres a difference in a Farm and a service. I'm not going to get into the whole thing now. The mare can be brought into milk with the use of drugs. BUT all mares don't make nursemares. They have to want the foal. Even proven nursemares will reject useing this process. Foals raised by Nursemares do better than the ones raised with bottles, buckets or the Iglue.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Inducing lactation has abut a 90% success rate of the mare accepting the foal. Nursemares sometimes reject the orphan too.

Anyone that thinks putting a mare and foal thru the trauma of loss when only a few days old for the benefit of another, has no love or care for the animals.

Anyone that thinks hauling a day or two old foal across a few states, making it wait in the trailer all day by itself while getting the nursemare to accept the orphan (ok, so you give it shade :rolleyes: when possible). and then hauling it back is not extremely stressful, and thinks it does not put those foals lives at risk, knows absolutely nothing about foals.

[AMDressage]

If they can't find a mare, can they try and find her a goat?

Breeder friend of ours puts her orphans or rejected babies with a goat, and they seem to do well a lot of the time. She's been doing breeding for 20+ years, so I trust her doings.

[Lenny]

Inducing lactation has abut a 90% success rate of the mare accepting the foal. Nursemares sometimes reject the orphan too.

Anyone that thinks putting a mare and foal thru the trauma of loss when only a few days old for the benefit of another, has no love or care for the animals.

Anyone that thinks hauling a day or two old foal across a few states, making it wait in the trailer all day by itself while getting the nursemare to accept the orphan (ok, so you give it shade :rolleyes: when possible). and then hauling it back is not extremely stressful, and thinks it does not put those foals lives at risk, knows absolutely nothing about foals.

OK, let me get this straight. Your saying that I know absolutely nothing about foals. All the years(30) We have been involved with Nursemares we no nothing. Plus, that we have no love for our animals. Quite a strong statment. I see you have been on site when Sandy delivers a Nursemare. That is by the way Guaranteed to except the orphan Foal. All her Nursemares have an 98% exceptance rate. Once in a while, one will smell something she don't like and Sandy will have to go get another one. Not very often. The use of drugs to get a mare to come into milk,does work on selected mares. Sandy uses this method. Its not the 95% that you have read about. Sandy has gone to Vet colleges to replace some of these 95% ers with Nursemares. Now traveling Foals.... Its what you believe in, is what you think. I see you been in the trailer on these longruns. You have observed the foals. When traveling with their moms did they run around the stall or did they just lay down after nurseing. When the trailer was parked did the foals screem and carry-on.Most are sleeping in the shade. On the long runs you may have observed Sandy arranging a bucket of milk. This is hung there so the foal can drink whenever it wants to. Watch out you don't loose you balance and fall into the bucket. Now going back home did you see the foal running around the stall, franticly screeming (wheres mommy). OR did it just lay there sleeping. Are you taking notes? If so make sure you note that the foal is under no stress,I say no stress at all. We never have problems with foals and trailering. Again its in the persons mind. TBs are traveling all the time. The foals are no different than the Nursemare foal. Age or otherwise. Sandy has been placeing nursemars for 30 yrs now because she loves the foals. She will travel in snow storms and any bad weather to make sure that orphan foal has a Mom. Yes its a business. She is dedacated to serveing the northeast with the best Nursemares in this business. She is there when you need her services to get the Orphan Foal and the Nursemare together, bonded and happy. The Nursemare foal comes home and is placed with other foals or foal. Depending on age. The foals eat,drink and sleep together. They have no stress because they are together. They drink Milk replacer from tubs. Free choice. not Iglues. The milk is replaced 2,3 or 4 times a day. If needed. A stressed Foal don't drink that much. I said more than I planned to here. BUT some things need to be clairafied. I have tried to explain the nursemare business to everyone that wanted to listen. Always getting myself into trouble. I tried to explain some of it here today so others know the facts as well. No one wants to see an orphan foal stressed or any foal for that matter. Thats why Sandy does what she does with such success. She is in great demand when it comes to Nursemares and the phone is always ringing. Hope this has helped. (to the rider in the trailer) Now get some rest its been a long trip

[Donna D]

Her nursemares work. They except the foals. I would think the foals could travel,other foals go with their mothers when they go to be bred.

[Donna D]

I saw on another site that these people rescue orphan foals from nurse mare farms and have them available for adoption for $200.

http://www.lastchancecorral.org/foal_rescue/LCCNurseMareFoalRescue.php?start_from=10&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&

This rescue gets their foals from KY. I don't like the way they assume all nursemare farms work. I don't like the way they discribe Nursemare opperations at all.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Even older, 6 month foals are exhausted after a 3 to 4 hour trailer ride. A couple day old foal will definitely be exhausted from a trip. Just because it is not throwing itself around does not mean that it is not severely stressed.

Those first few weeks on ANY foal in the best of circumstances are touch and go with life. Live in your dream world, but that does not make it right. It is definitely putting the nursemare's foal at risk for the convenience of another, not to mention putting those foals on the ground that are not carefully thought about and bred for a purpose.

It is required that a nursemare be bred to something. Most people will breed to the cheapest thing with testicles they can find. If you think these mare owners are going to invest time and care to make a good match, and the stud fee to a nice stallion so that foal next year can be a throw away, you are really delusional.

[Blacklabs]

The filly was placed with a goat as a mate to keep her company. In the meantime the sire's owner contacted dame's owner as one her mares lost a foal and felt her mare need a foal.

They both are now at a facility that specialized in getting the mare and foal to accept each other.Filly is doing better.

They need lot of jingles.

[Lenny]

Even older, 6 month foals are exhausted after a 3 to 4 hour trailer ride. A couple day old foal will definitely be exhausted from a trip. Just because it is not throwing itself around does not mean that it is not severely stressed.
A couple of days old foal???? Sorry, not happening. That would be a very irregular. Most Nursemares and their foals don't go out till their at least two weeks old. Their eating grain by then and hay.Most drink with Mom too.
Those first few weeks on ANY foal in the best of circumstances are touch and go with life. Live in your dream world, but that doe s not make it right. It is definitely putting the nursemare's foal at risk for the convenience of another, not to mention putting those foals on the ground that are not carefully thought about and bred for a purpose.
What!!!!! Touch and go with life at a couple of weeks??? What kind of foals do you have? Ours are romping and playing even with out their mothers. At two weeks they should be filling out very well. You must have had a bad ride somewhere.
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is required that a nursemare be bred to something. Most people will breed to the cheapest thing with testicles they can find. If you think these mare owners are going to invest time and care to make a good match, and the stud fee to a nice stallion so that foal next year can be a throw away, you are really delusional.

You got to be kidding!!!! But I have it now. You are very put out because these Nursemares are out there doing their job for anothers convenience. OH Boy. The contract reads that the Nursemare will be bred back, if she isn't already bred. It also reads that the Nursemare is NOT to be bred to a Standardbred Stallion . You would be suprised to know that your fellow breeders do use their stallions to breed these Nursemares. Yes, sometimes its their teaser, but with good bloodlines. Some of Sandys Nursemares are Personal Flags, Canadian Slew, and other Slews,Thunder poddles, Moxly Duncan, Guidarian, Contenders, Durk, and others. All the foals are raised like they are going to be winners. Like they might have someone like McClain Ward on their back someday or even My Grand Daughter. You call these Foals (throw aways). You said I had no love for animals. You are telling me that I don't have any knowledge of foals. You are saying these Nuremare Foals are Throw Aways. You the one that knows so much about foals. Well let me tell you a little secret. There is no such thing as a throw away foal. All foals are premium. All foals lives are precious to me and Sandy. No matter the breeding. There are no throw aways. You have no idea what the Nursemare business is about. Your stuck in your little Iglooo. We don't use it because we feed in groups. You see our foals have no stress because they have one another to teach the horsy stuff to. You believe what you want but your way off base. There are no Throw Aways I won't say anymore about this, my intention is not to get into any standoff. I will say this again, Your fellow breeders do use their stallions to breed Sandys Nursemares so they will have a saleable foal the next year. A foal that will sell to a good home. A foal that will make someone happy. A Foal that will not be one of your Throw Aways.

[Fairview Horse Center]

You got to be kidding!!!! But I have it now. You are very put out because these Nursemares are out there doing their job for anothers convenience.

at the expense of their foal. Surely you understand that a mom would rather be with her REAL baby.


The contract reads that the Nursemare will be bred back, if she isn't already bred. It also reads that the Nursemare is NOT to be bred to a Standardbred Stallion . You would be suprised to know that your fellow breeders do use their stallions to breed these Nursemares. Yes, sometimes its their teaser, but with good bloodlines.

It doesn't matter if the stallion is well bred. They use whoever is cheap and handy, not one specifically selected to compliment an individual mare.

All foals lives are precious to me and Sandy. No matter the breeding. There are no throw aways. You have no idea what the Nursemare business is about.

They are haphazardly bred foals, and there is no need to breed more of something that may end up on a platter. Many nursemare foals do end up in bad places.

YOU say you raise your foals without moms and they are FINE. Well, if YOUR foals are fine, so can OTHER foals be fine. A BETTER way would be to pair foals that have lost a mom and raise them together. Yearling fillies also make wonderful moms.

Your stuck in your little Iglooo. We don't use it because we feed in groups.

I don't "sell" igloos. Group feeding will also work with igloo coolers. There are lots of other options other than nursemares, without putting a mare and foal thru the heartbreak of ripping them away from each other when only a few days from birth.

*Pair orphan foals
*Find another young filly that will adopt a foal
*induce lactation in a mare
*Find an old, retired broodmare that would love to have a job as a foal companion, and use milk replacer.

[Lenny]

Your Ideas are preposterous. Just look at the OP. They still don't have it ironed out. You don't live in the real world. If all the Orphan Foals and all the Mares that have lost their Foals Lived in the same place, your ideas would work. But this is the real world. The Orphan is in Maine and The mare to be matched up with is in Texas. Who says the mach will work in the first place. Your dreamen. I'm done with this now. You better catch that next horse trailer with that TB foal in it.