Absatz

[Forte]

What can you all tell me about this grand old stallion? I was looking at my mare's pedigree and noticed that she has 4 crosses back to Absatz, and one to his sire Ablanz in the past 5 generations. What traits is he known to pass on? Is it common to have one stallion appear in a horse's pedigree so many times? If anyone is interested in checking out my mare's pedigree, go to allbreeds pedigree query and search for a Canadian Warmblood mare named "Wolte".

[farrier]

Absatz was used as a refining stallion (Trak.) for the Hanoverarian breeders over 20 years ago, to bring forth a more responsive and refined foal, moving away from the tank appearance. He produced Argentan (Hanoveranian horse of the year) who was known as a broadmare sire, producing many SPS mares. Argentan produced Argentinius, another impressive stallion, who gave us many dressage and jumper horses. Argentinius just recently passed away leaving a big void.

[not again]

Absatz was an action trotter in the stallion show. His most famous son in North America was Abundance.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=334423
Abundance sired the Rolex winnter Aachen who was also USCTA (now USEA) horse of the year, an Olympic show jumper Jackie Blue (1984 for Canada), many many champion hunters including Hall of Fame horse Ruxton, and numerous dressage horses. He has many more offspring than this web-site shows, several licensed stallion sons, and has made a significant genetic contribution to North American breeding as well at top level of sport.
Abundance was AHS stallion/horse of the year in the mid-eighties.
He was multi-talented as a sire and as a riding horse,and also evented, winning a division of the early Fair Hill three day, show jumped, dressaged his way to USET training sessions, fox-hunted for many years and drove single and double. He died at the ripe old age of 32.
My advisers have noted that the Absatz name is one to use for line-breeding to reinforce desired characteristics.

[Maren]

The hallmarks of this Abglanz - Absatz line, in an interesting way dominant and visible all the way through today - are type, body harmony, often chestnut color and tremendous athletic ability. The line is also represented in the Trakehner breed, although with less width (since Abglanz was stationed in Celle as a State Stud stallion in the 50s).

The list of stallions from this family VERY long and carries some of the most important sport horse sire names of the recent decades (as mentioned already Argentinus certainly fits that bill). Weltmeyer is a nice example of the blend of Hanoverian foundation lines and those Trakehner attributes listsed above. From the three original Trak State Stud stallions, the A line is the biggest today. Latern's line is almost gone, but remains in thze dam lines of many successful sport horses and the Semper Idem line thanks to Salieri, Salinero, Stakkatoo and others is back in the spot light big time.

[fannie mae]

there are still two stallions alive (at least these two are the ones i can think of) who perfectly blend in to the absatz type/style:

alabaster by akzent (absatz) wendepunkt busoni
http://www.horsemagazine.com/BREEDINGBARN/Great_Breeders/WERNER_SCHOCKEMOHL/werner_schockemohl.htm
picture included

abanos by alabaster futuro aktuell (inbred to absatz)
http://www.st-ludwig.de/en/main_index.htm
picture included

guess these pictures speak for themselves - mostly desirable... :-)

[MagicRoseFarm]

Our third generation homebred and very typey mare Davigna MRF is very line bred to Absatz. She is 25% Absatz with additional Abglanz in the 7th and 8th generation.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10449310&blood=10&quota=

While the Absatz blood is not as close as with Abanos, there is more of it.

Another very interesting note on the pedigree of Davigna MRF is that most of the strongest Double Ancestry in her bloodlines is closer up on the mareline side vs the sire line side.

She is currently in foal to our stallion Beste Gold who also carries a good amount of Absatz blood through his mareline.

[savvy9]

Alesi (who shows as Shine) is by Akzent II who is by Absatz - here is his pedigree:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shine3

here is his website: http://www.oldeoaksfarm.com/shine.html

He exemplefies the Absatz line's beautiful movement, refinement, and excellent temperment. Nice stallion!

[not again]

Here is our four year old colt: Wyatt WF
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=ApN6zi&d=wyatt+wf

And a couple of others:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=wizard+wf

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=waterlily+wf

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=wilona+wf

[Donella]

My fav line to see in the broodies. Both my mares are heavily bred to absatz through Akzent II. Add's refinement, outstanding beauty and superb athleticism.
Check out the video of Alabaster who is a spitting image from what I can tell to absatz.

http://www.horse-gate.com/hengstvideos/index_tab.html

Select Alabaster and be prepared to have your breath taken away!

[Edgewood]

I always wonder why Alabaster is not more used? You just don't hear much about him or his sons (except for maybe Albanos). I love the way he looks too. Maybe the German contingent of COTH can comment?

In the US, no one has imported AND kept active an Alabaster son. There was as stallion named Ambiente who was by Alabaster who was activated AHS in the early 2000's, but he hasn't been activated in a while and I don't know what happened to him. I only saw pictures, but he looked very much like his sire.

Then there is Alabastro, a branded Hanoverian who was bought by a Belgium who never pursued getting him approved by the Hanoverian Verband. Too bad because he is a lovely stallion (damline is Brentano - Weltmeyer or Weltmeyer - Brentano, I cannot remember). I would most likely breed to him if he was approved.

[EquusMagnificus]

:eek: Holy s...!!

Alabaster, what a mover!! And the Trakehner grace... wow.

My kingdom for a broodmare. NOW!

Gaaaaahhhh....:no:

[Pinto WB]

Equus - I still have one lovely approved mare for sale! :)

[EquusMagnificus]

LOL :winkgrin:

Yes, indeed Pinto WB ;)

However, financially... I'll have to stick to my only child and bratworhy gelding!:sadsmile:

[Forte]

Well since everyone else is posting pictures, here's a few of my girl Wolte. http://www.putfile.com/album/17213?pos=top These pictures are from last summer when she was 3. And here are her bloodlines
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wolte
I also was wondering what ever happened to Ambiente. Doesn't Gucci Cowgirl who posts here have a colt by him?

[not again]

Here is a Wolkentanz I we bred and sold. Same soft eye and pretty face.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=yGjIsa&d=woodruff+wf

[Oakstable]

Ambiente was owned by Christy Horton in WA.

Maybe a stallion who was not promoted and dropped from sight?

Text in an old directory says he was selected by Dr. Bade.

[Horsecrazy27]

It always amazes me how strong this stallion is on passing on his great features!

My stallion's dam sire is Andiamo---it is even strong through the maternal line.

Here is my guys video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAxsBRhnVgY

[Donella]

Fannie Mae,
I had forgotten about Abanos...and I am so glad you posted that. He is SOOO beautiful..I remember browsing websites and coming across him last year!
If my mares weren't so heavy in the Absatz blood I would be using either Abanos or Alabaster.

I agree with the poster too who mentioned Alabastro. I remember he had a wow trot and a super cool flaxen/white mane and tail!:)

[DennisM]

Let's not forget Anhaltiner E (Akzent II/Pik Bube), who clearly expresses (himself and in his offspring, of which I have 2) the A-Line type and movement. http://www.somedaysoonfarm.com/pages/anhalt.html

[Tiki]

Also on the St. Ludwig website posted by Fannie Mae is this guy!
http://www.st-ludwig.de/en/images/aquilino_name.gifOldbg., Bay, 168 cm, * 1994http://www.st-ludwig.de/en/images/aquilino_abstammung.gif

[DownYonder]

The Oldenburg stallion De Luxe carries Absatz three times in four generations. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/de+luxe5

I believe that Johannes Westerndarp once described De Luxe as “the most beautiful of the De Niro sons” – which could no doubt be attributed to his high percentage of Absatz blood.

Also, regarding Alabaster – I heard some feedback out of Germany some time back that mentioned Alabaster and Wobblers Syndrome in the same breath. When I first heard this, I sort of discounted it as “rumor”, but a few years later, a friend imported an international quality 5 y/o by Alabaster that was diagnosed with advanced Wobblers within two years of importation. It was pretty bad and vets were recommending that the horse be euthanized before he injured someone. I have wondered ever since if there really is a correlation and maybe that is why Alabaster isn’t utilized much in Germany.

[ahf]

Let's not forget our friends to the North! Autocrat (http://www.mts.net/~woodhave/stallion2.htm)...a direct decendent of Akzent II ....still showing (and throwing!) the Absatz influence.

Just an amazing sireline. To have this kind of influence so far down the line. It's one of the few sire influences I like to see three and four times in a pedigree.

[not again]

Here's our Abundance grandson: I am so pleased that we have been able to keep the direct sire line to Absatz:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=avebury+wf

[Donella]

Love Autocrat. Totally underused stallion in NA in my mind. I chose him for the one mare I have that doesn't have Absatz blood. Combined with the Matcho it's literally a dream pedigree as a refining stallion (which is what I wanted).

[MagicRoseFarm]

Also, regarding Alabaster – I heard some feedback out of Germany some time back that mentioned Alabaster and Wobblers Syndrome in the same breath. When I first heard this, I sort of discounted it as “rumor”, but a few years later, a friend imported an international quality 5 y/o by Alabaster that was diagnosed with advanced Wobblers within two years of importation. It was pretty bad and vets were recommending that the horse be euthanized before he injured someone. I have wondered ever since if there really is a correlation and maybe that is why Alabaster isn’t utilized much in Germany.


I personally do not feel this is necessarily the case, there are sooo many stallions also in Germany that the choices are incredible.

Remembering that the stallion is only part of the oequation is important.

I feel the Absatz line is not as utilized as some of the trendier, more current market friendly lines.

[sid]

Argosy is also by Aalborg (Akzent II/Absatz), and has Absatz (via Aktuell) in his damline as well. That's one of the reasons I bought him, plus I also liked the 1/4 AA in his bloodlines.

[Iron Horse Farm]

What about Amarillo by Absatz? I have an Elite mare that is by Amarillo - can't seem to find any info on him. My girl's dam sire is Bolero.

[DownYonder]

I personally do not feel this is necessarily the case, there are sooo many stallions also in Germany that the choices are incredible.

Remembering that the stallion is only part of the oequation is important.

I feel the Absatz line is not as utilized as some of the trendier, more current market friendly lines.

I agree with your comments for the most part. But, again, I have heard the comments about Alabaster from several different sources over the years, plus my friend had that unfortunate experience with her Alabaster son, so I do wonder if there really is something to the "rumors".

[Oakstable]

http://www.horsemagazine.com/BREEDINGBARN/GREAT_STALLIONS/alabaster/alabaster.html

Opinion on the A bloodline, fyi.

[MagicRoseFarm]

Our third generation homebred and very typey mare Davigna MRF is very line bred to Absatz. She is 25% Absatz with additional Abglanz in the 7th and 8th generation.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10449310&blood=10&quota=

While the Absatz blood is not as close as with Abanos, there is more of it.

Another very interesting note on the pedigree of Davigna MRF is that most of the strongest Double Ancestry in her bloodlines is closer up on the mareline side vs the sire line side.

She is currently in foal to our stallion Beste Gold who also carries a good amount of Absatz blood through his mareline.
Today we had a filly from the mating mentioned above and the choice was AWESOME.. Typey, very friendly, VERY strong and correct dark bay with alot of white , Both parents are incredible movers with a wonderful jump. I am VERY tickled with the combo and will be repeating it !!!

[not again]

Congratulations! Please post photos somewhere!:)

[AMDressage]

I think Andric standing at Yarra-Yarra Ranch is an Absatz son. Andric is a 1981 model ;)

[MagicRoseFarm]

well, I said I would let everyone know how doubling up on the Absatz worked... so here she is !!! She is SOO typey, correct, super great natured and WOW can she trot( and she does - at three days old!) also a gigantic uphill canter , very very free in the shoulder like dad. She was also one of the strongest newborns I have ever had. I could not be happier and will be repeating the breeding in hopes of a son suitable for stallion material. Here is a link to her pedigree http://www.sporthorse-data.com/db.php?i=10449326&time=1206504441

[Donella]

WOW!!! Looks like she got that Absatz face! Beautiful filly..really.:D Congrats!

[Oldenburg Mom]

Hof Clasen, (http://www.hofclasen.de/eng/index.htm click on "Our Horses") is where Argentan was born... as they owned Mama Worms! Joerg Clasen—and his wife—are two of the nicest horse people I've ever met. I guess it's true! What goes around comes around ... but in this case, it's all the nice stuff!!!! :D

[sporthorsefilly]

MagicRose you really hit the magic mix! What a lovely filly, congratulations!

OMOM here is another link to Absatz info: http://www.horsemagazine.com/BREEDINGBARN/GREAT_STALLIONS/absatz/Absatz.html

[Oldenburg Mom]

SHF, I was delighted to see, when I followed the link to Argentan, that the breeder was named in great big type!