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Mar. 4, 2008, 01:21 PM
Maybe I missed the thread.. but does anyone know what is up with Rags to Riches? Is she coming back or is she retired?

I just watched the 07 belmont stakes... what a stretch run!!

Mar. 4, 2008, 01:24 PM
I have been wondering about her, too. I don't think she's retired. But I haven't heard anything about her being in training or returning to the races, either.

Maybe Glimmerglass will dig up some info for us. ;)

On a related note, she has a 3-year-old half-brother (by Mineshaft). His name is Casino Drive. He is supposed to be heading for the Belmont.

Mar. 4, 2008, 01:36 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if she never returns to racing, but for right now she is galloping and will put in a formal work someday but not yet (http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=30465) - Jan 2008:

Trainer Todd Pletcher reported that Belmont Stakes winner Rags to Riches galloped for the first time since rejoining his stable at Palm Beach Downs last week.

"She looks great but will probably need at least 30 days before we think about having her work," said Pletcher.

Those comments just sound like Todd giving fair warning not to expect anything, anytime soon.

Nothing new since Oct 2007 with her blog (http://www.ntra.com/blog.aspx?blogid=10)

Mar. 4, 2008, 02:24 PM
THanks for the updates!

Mar. 4, 2008, 08:12 PM
My friend saw her last week in FLA with Pletcher's operation. I think she's at Palm Meadows.

Mar. 12, 2008, 04:04 PM
She posted her first official workout:

DRF: 3-11-08 Location: PBD Distance: 3F Time: 0:38.40 Surface: Dirt (http://www.drf.com/workoutsForHorseAction.do?rNo=04006927)

Mar. 24, 2008, 02:12 PM
I can't believe no one has posted this yet!!!

Rags to Riches retired, DRF 3/24/08 (http://www.drf.com/news/article/93176.html)

Rags to Riches retired
HALLANDALE BEACH, Fla. – Rags To Riches, the champion 3-year-old filly in 2007, has been retired, trainer Todd Pletcher confirmed Monday.

Rags to Riches, who defeated Horse of the Year Curlin to win the 2007 Belmont Stakes, was sidelined by a hairline fracture in her right front pastern suffered during the Gazelle Stakes at Belmont on Sept. 15. The Gazelle was her only defeat in six career starts.

Rags to Riches, who is owned by Michael B. Tabor and Derrick Smith, returned to training with Pletcher at Palm Beach Downs earlier this winter and was scheduled to have her third work Tuesday.

"It's the same injury, a hairline P1 fracture, and it just looked like it wasn't going to hold up," Pletcher said. "I wasn't happy with the way she galloped yesterday [Sunday], we took some additional X-rays, and after discussing the situation with Mr. Tabor, we agreed it wasn't worth the risk of continuing on with her."

Pletcher said Rags To Riches will be bred to Giant's Causeway later this spring.

So who's surprised?

Mar. 24, 2008, 02:15 PM
Zero shock.

In fact I'm more shocked she returned at all to racing even the one time.

Mar. 24, 2008, 02:16 PM
In fact I'm more shocked she returned at all to racing even the one time.

You and me both. :lol:

Mar. 24, 2008, 02:45 PM
I wanto to know who proof reads this stuff. Rags was beaten twice in her career, the Gazelle and her debut.

Mar. 24, 2008, 03:25 PM
Well I'm not surprised...but I have to say I did expect her to race again. The connections seemed to have every intention of bringing her back (ie, she was in training). There's much to be cynical about in the TB world, but I do try to take some things at face value. And since I didn't foresee that she would be injured, I also didn't foresee an early retirement.

At any rate, I'm sorry we won't get to see her race at four. :(

Mar. 24, 2008, 04:41 PM
Not at all surprised as that is the "way of things" it seems..

Breeding her to giant's causeway...? wow!

Mar. 24, 2008, 06:54 PM
Not suprised either but after all the talk before and after the Belmont about how the owners race for the fans etc etc (I'm sure you all remember), this sure makes all that talk BS. On the other hand, she did re-injure that thing, so what can you do? Oh well, to me, she'll just be another flash in the pan, ala Smarty. Too bad

Mar. 25, 2008, 11:06 AM
Not surprised, but it is still a letdown. It makes you not want to get excited about a talented horse, because most of them don't stay around past their three-year-old year. That's why it is such a treat that Curlin is running this year. We should all write thank-you notes to Jess Jackson. ;)

Mar. 25, 2008, 11:19 AM
With all due respect to those of you who are so critical of the owners and trainer, the horse apparently is not sound. If you owned her, would you tell Pletcher to just ice the ankle, give her plenty of bute, and run her sore?

Mar. 25, 2008, 11:27 AM
With all due respect to those of you who are so critical of the owners and trainer, the horse apparently is not sound.

If I sounded critical of Pletcher, et al let me be clear - I'm not with respect to the decision not to run her and retire her.

What I am saying is that I've always thought deep down since she came out injured in September was that she was done there and then. No need to draw it out and play games suggesting she'll return. I've always thought that was a hollow sentiment and it only became that much more of a farce as time went on.

I think they've observed the ire of fans with regards to early retirement and how others are praised for keeping horses going. So they held off her retirement. Yet the must've known she'd never perform again as she did at the Belmont. Another loss would (aside from further injury) only going to continue to take the luster off that historic, monumental, and inspiring duel against Curlin.

Re-read my posting (#3) above with the quotes from Pletcher a month ago. He knew then she wasn't going to return to racing. Her final workout was simply for public relations.

Mar. 25, 2008, 11:46 AM
With all due respect to those of you who are so critical of the owners and trainer, the horse apparently is not sound. If you owned her, would you tell Pletcher to just ice the ankle, give her plenty of bute, and run her sore?

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not "critical" per se. Of course nobody wants them racing an unsound horse. ;)

But this is not a life or death injury we're dealing with. Nor is it a career ending injury. Even if she is ever so slightly NQR on it now (which I doubt), a little more time and it would be good as gone.

However, there's that risk that Rags might not run back at her previous level. Heaven forbid she gets beat again and deflates her record, even slightly. Especially when she could be on the farm producing one more foal that will sell for 6 figures.

Racing is barely about the races anymore, but rather the race to the breeding shed and sales ring. And that's not Pletcher or Tabor's fault necessarily. But it is very frustrating for the fans when this happens again, and again, and again... :lol:

Mar. 25, 2008, 05:45 PM
If they had really planned to retire her with no 2008 campaign, they would have sent her to the farm last fall to let down, bred her February 15, and she'd be in foal now. By industry standards she is retiring really late in the breeding season, and if they can't get her in foal in the next 3-4 weeks I'd bet they'll let her go until the 2009 breeding season anyway.

Mar. 25, 2008, 11:23 PM
While it is sad she won't be returning to racing- lets all look at the broghter side of things that these trainers didn't push this filly to do more than her legs could handle. At least they arn't going to risk her life on the track on a fragile leg like many trainers do trying to squeeze out every last dollar, instead she'll live a happy retirement making foals. Happy retirement!

Mar. 25, 2008, 11:26 PM
the slightest fracture to any animals leg isn't every going tobe just "good a new" especially when your dealing with the demand racing has on a horse's legs. I can only imagine if this filly had a life or death situation after returning to racing and hearing everyone complain about how sad that story could've been. Its for the better and she deserves it.

Mar. 26, 2008, 07:13 PM
Actually bones heal stronger than the original. But that doesn't mean the same factors that led to the first injury (conformation, lack of fitness, hard track, bad trim/shoes, whatever) aren't still present. Tendons and ligaments on the other hand do not heal good as new, they are weaker because healing is done with scar tissue which lacks elasticity and is more likely to get re-injured.

Mar. 26, 2008, 08:56 PM
Sometimes you're darned if you do, and darned if you don't.

I think they made an honest attempt to bring her back to racing; as ejm said earlier, if they'd been dead-set on retirement, the mare would be at the farm in foal by now.

I recall a particular horse (with relevant connections) that was pulled from stud duty last year, and went back to racing. He broke down in the BC. They brought the horse back to race for the public...but it ain't always a fairytale.

Would've loved to see Rags run some more. Oh well, that's racing.

Mar. 26, 2008, 10:41 PM
They brought the horse back to race for the public...

Not really.

Apr. 4, 2008, 06:05 PM
Props to her owners for this gesture:

3/26 NTRA "Rags To Riches Owners Donating Royalties From Breyer Model Horse To NTRA Charities - Permanently Disabled Jockeys Fund" (http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=pr&id=31582)

To date, sales of the Rags to Riches Breyer horse have generated over $10,000 for the PDJF since the product was introduced last November.

"We are extremely grateful to Michael Tabor and Derrick Smith, who agreed to the deal with Breyer chiefly due to its potential to raise funds for the PDJF," said Alex Waldrop, President and CEO of the NTRA. "We are also very appreciative of Breyer's continued support of worthy, racing-related causes."