Info/experiences on hoof boots needed. UPDATE; MY BOOTS ARE HERE! :D

[sublimequine]

So, I am going to try and keep my mare barefoot this summer for the first time since I bought her (which was only around 2 years ago, to be fair). Her feet have gotten a lot better since I've owned her, are growing better than they ever have before, and thanks to applying Durasole, she's sound on many more surfaces than she ever used to be. So I'm thinking it's time to give barefoot another chance. :)

BUT, I don't really want to go into this 'unarmed'. :lol: I'm thinking of getting her a pair of hoof boots for any terrain she isn't 100% comfortable on just yet, and hope that eventually we won't need the boots at all. I've been researching and finding info on all the kinds of hoof boots I could find, and have narrowed it down to two options; the Easyboot, or the Easyboot Epics.

I'm not sure if the Epics will work for my mare though, as she has an old injury on the front of one of her fetlocks that is a lump. I'm thinking the gaiter on the Epics either won't fit with the lump, or they will rub. But I'm also worried that the regular Easyboots won't stay on, as I've heard that's why the Epics have basically replaced the regular Easyboots.

So, I need information and experiences with these boots, specifically the regular, no-gaiter Easyboot! My main concerns are the boots coming off, or the boots rubbing either her pastern (in the Epics) or her heel bulbs (in the regular Easyboots).

(Oh, and if you're going to try and make this into a gigantic childish argument like all the other hoof-related threads, DON'T bother posting. Thanks. ;) )

[appychik]

I use BOAs on my guy and I absolutely love them. I hate the dang caps though. I've lost like 3 of them already. That being said, last year was the first time since I've had him that he went barefoot. He's usually shod all four. He stayed sound (yea!) and when he was ouchy or on roads (gravel) he'd wear the boots.

I couldn't really help you with your choice between the regular easyboots and the Epics. My decision was between the BOAs and the Cavallo Simple Boots... still love the look of the Simple Boot too.

Good luck. Too bad there isn't a way you can try both and return which ever don't work out... but then they'd be "used" and that probably wouldn't work... sorry that I'm not much help.

[TBrescue]

I have been using the easyboot epics since mid December. At first they were not so easy to get on, but that only lasted a few uses. Now they're super easy, we haven't lost one, they have stayed on in the mud and snow and my horse is sound and happy
Who is your trimmer? I'd work with a barefoot trimmer to determine the best fit for your horse. :yes::yes:

Oh, we've had no issues with rubbing either :)

[sublimequine]

I use BOAs on my guy and I absolutely love them. I hate the dang caps though. I've lost like 3 of them already. That being said, last year was the first time since I've had him that he went barefoot. He's usually shod all four. He stayed sound (yea!) and when he was ouchy or on roads (gravel) he'd wear the boots.

I couldn't really help you with your choice between the regular easyboots and the Epics. My decision was between the BOAs and the Cavallo Simple Boots... still love the look of the Simple Boot too.

Good luck. Too bad there isn't a way you can try both and return which ever don't work out... but then they'd be "used" and that probably wouldn't work... sorry that I'm not much help.

I like the look of the Cavallos as well, but I wanted something a little 'slimmer' than the Boas or Cavallos. I think the Easyboots and Epics are a little less cumbersome. :)

TB; I'm definitely going to get some help in fitting the boots, but I actually won't be able to turn to my normal farrier for that as he's a traditional guy and doesn't have experience with the boots. I'm hoping the natural lady that also does many horses at my barn will be willing to measure my mare for me, even though I'm not a regular client of hers. She's an extremely nice person, so we'll see.

[Auventera Two]

Hey - Easycare, Inc. just updated their Bargin Bin with last year's Easyboot Bare stock. Boots in all sizes are 50% off! :eek:

www.easycareinc.com (http://www.easycareinc.com) then go to "Cool Stuff" or whatever it's called, then Bargin Bin.

I use Epics but just ordered 3 full sets of Bares. At that price who wouldn't?!?

I learned a lesson about gaiters that hopefully I can help other people avoid. The company suggests that the gaiters MUST be as TIGHT as humanely possible. That's Bull Sheeeet. They say the gaiters are so soft and stretchy that it's physically impossible to overtighten them. More Bull Sheeeeet. After 2 nasty pastern rubs, I started attaching the gaiters just tight enough so they didn't flop (in other words - very loose.) I've never lost a boot, and never had a rub since doing it this way. Before this I was wrapping the feet and ankles with vetwrap, using cotton tube socks, powder, vaseline, you name it. Finally I said screw it and just afixed them loosely. No more problems.

I've used Old Mac G2s, and Epics, and love them both. The Easyboots can be a real &*%$#(*&%$ to get on the first couple of times, but they do break in and it gets MUCH easier. The first time I was covered in sweat and wheeled off every cuss word I've ever known. But now it takes 30 seconds tops.

I absolutely LOVE hoof boots. Cant imagine ever going back to shoes.

The one suggestion I can't make strongly enough is to buy the 12mm EVA foam pads to go inside the boots. This loads the entire sole and provides superb shock absorption and load distribution. Otherwise you have the hoof walls and possibly the frog (if it's good) laoded inside the boot. I think Pete Ramey calls this periphreal wall loading, and suggests avoiding it at all costs.

You can just see horses go aaaaaaahhhhhhh when they step down inside a pair of padded boots. :)

Another suggestion - bend the cleat down flat inside the boots, or cut them off alltogether. The little plastic cover dealies that come with the boots are useless. They fall off after the first ride, and the hoof walls get chewed up. It can do serious damage to the lateral wall if you don't eliminate the cleats before the first use.

As much as I love the Old Mac's, they are bulky. And so are Boas. The Easyboots are slim fitting, tight to the hoof, and don't cause interference.

Another tip - you can very easily rasp down the boot toe and toe quarters to ease breakover. I start the breakover roll back about 1" into the boot and roll toward the toe with my rasp. Be very careful not to take off too much material. If you boot up your horse, then work them on pavement for 10 minutes or so, you can tell where they want to break over. Then you just help it along. This helps override any extra mechanical leverage the boot might add to the foot.

[Lauren!]

I use EasyBoot Bares with UpBuckles and tapers (you can buy both on EasyCareInc.com and add yourself). This makes them somewhat similar to the epics, but I like the tread on the Bares better (and I was hoping to use them with the bungees, but they were too hard to get on for me personally).

I would try the Epics (or Bares) first and see if the gaiters work. The Epics are really just regular EasyBoots with gaiters, so if they don't work you can always just take them off. (I've been told Bares don't really work without gaiters.. or glue, but thats a whole other topic ;)) The problem with NOT using gaiters is that many people lose boots that way... they make a big difference in them staying on. Also, make sure you're buying the smallest possible size that will fit the hoof (and measure carefully). You might also be able to put a replacement gaiter that's for a boot one size (or two?) bigger on the bigger fetlock. Not sure how it would fit (the holes are all predrilled, but the gaiters are easily replacable, and the sizes are close) but you could certainly ask EasyCare and order what they recommend.

Also consider the Old Mac boots. They are a bit more bulky (less so with the newer G2's), but some horses don't seem. They are easy to put on, stay put, and come just a bit above the hoof itself... they might be fine depending on where your mare's injury is.

One last thing you might want to look into is SoleGuard. I haven't tried it, and I don't believe anyone here has, but it's a new product for barefoot horses from the makers of EquiPak. http://www.vettec.com/65/products/soleguard.html You might ask your farrier about it, most are familiar with EquiPak and their products, so he might know about it already or be able to advise you on it.

[sublimequine]

I use EasyBoot Bares with UpBuckles and tapers (you can buy both on EasyCareInc.com and add yourself). This makes them somewhat similar to the epics, but I like the tread on the Bares better (and I was hoping to use them with the bungees, but they were too hard to get on for me personally).

I would try the Epics (or Bares) first and see if the gaiters work. The Epics are really just regular EasyBoots with gaiters, so if they don't work you can always just take them off. (I've been told Bares don't really work without gaiters.. or glue, but thats a whole other topic ;)) The problem with NOT using gaiters is that many people lose boots that way... they make a big difference in them staying on. Also, make sure you're buying the smallest possible size that will fit the hoof (and measure carefully). You might also be able to put a replacement gaiter that's for a boot one size (or two?) bigger on the bigger fetlock. Not sure how it would fit (the holes are all predrilled, but the gaiters are easily replacable, and the sizes are close) but you could certainly ask EasyCare and order what they recommend.

Also consider the Old Mac boots. They are a bit more bulky (less so with the newer G2's), but some horses don't seem. They are easy to put on, stay put, and come just a bit above the hoof itself... they might be fine depending on where your mare's injury is.

One last thing you might want to look into is SoleGuard. I haven't tried it, and I don't believe anyone here has, but it's a new product for barefoot horses from the makers of EquiPak. http://www.vettec.com/65/products/soleguard.html You might ask your farrier about it, most are familiar with EquiPak and their products, so he might know about it already or be able to advise you on it.

You know, I didn't even think of just ordering a bigger gaiter for the lumpy leg (that sounds funny :lol: ). Or even just adjust the gaiter on that leg looser so it's just kinda sitting around the lump, and not tight against it.

Here's a photo of the lumpy leg, for reference;

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1327/joyrshoehv6.jpg

(Note: This is an old pic, she's barefoot now.)

I would like to have gaiters for her if I knew they wouldn't rub or interfere.

[Lauren!]

Oh... I think the gaiters will be fine! They don't sit that high. I'll see if I can find a pic of mine on my horse... if not I'm sure there's one on the web somewhere or from another poster. I vote order the boots of your choice with gaiters... I doubt you'll have a problem. I like the Bares alot... and they seem to be on sale right now too :D... thought I would recommend the UpBuckles unless you really really want no buckles on the front... the bungees are low profile, but a PITA to get on!

Ok... here's one from EasyCare's own site... http://www.easycareinc.com/_System/Lib/Content/home/EasyCare%20boots/pages/max_asti_boots4.html

[sublimequine]

Oh... I think the gaiters will be fine! They don't sit that high. I'll see if I can find a pic of mine on my horse... if not I'm sure there's one on the web somewhere or from another poster. I vote order the boots of your choice with gaiters... I doubt you'll have a problem. I like the Bares alot... and they seem to be on sale right now too :D... thought I would recommend the UpBuckles unless you really really want no buckles on the front... the bungees are low profile, but a PITA to get on!

Yeah, I have experience with the Epics, and I find them surprisingly easy to work with. So I'd go with the buckle over bungee. :)

Does anyone have experience with Grips? I heard that they actually AREN'T good for hard/solid ground, only for softer/slick stuff. I'd want something that can at least do SOME of both.

[Auventera Two]

I wouldn't use grips for everyday riding because of the very agressive traction. Of course G2s have agressive traction too but the rubber of the boot is softer so it wears down a little faster. I also helped it out a bit with a rasp. Too much traction is just as bad as not enough.

One of mine has a lumpy pastern too and the gaiter is fine as long as its loose.

[AZ Native]

Another vote for the Epics or Bares. Call Easy Care and ask for Debbie Schwiebert. Tell her your needs and concerns, she's wonderful to work with.Too, I'm pretty sure the boots are 100% guaranteed now , though maybe not those on sale.They are a super company to work with and if Debbie is not available, any of the reps can steer you in the right direction.

[I'm EBO]

I've never been an easyboot fan, although I've tried on multiple horses. I am now using these: www.hoofwings.com . They are easy to put on, stay on better than other brands I've tried (easyboots and Old Macs) and they have great customer service. Mary will let you try, try and try until you find a perfect fit. I've never used Cavallos.

[sublimequine]

I wouldn't use grips for everyday riding because of the very agressive traction. Of course G2s have agressive traction too but the rubber of the boot is softer so it wears down a little faster. I also helped it out a bit with a rasp. Too much traction is just as bad as not enough.

One of mine has a lumpy pastern too and the gaiter is fine as long as its loose.

Yeah, I was looking through the Easycare website and it said not to use Grips on hard surfaces, at risk of injury. That's kinda scary. :eek:

It looks like unless my mare fits into a size 0, I may have the Bares as my only option. Not my top choice, but at that price, I can't complain. Are they really that much harder to get on than the Epics?

[sublimequine]

I've never been an easyboot fan, although I've tried on multiple horses. I am now using these: www.hoofwings.com . They are easy to put on, stay on better than other brands I've tried (easyboots and Old Macs) and they have great customer service. Mary will let you try, try and try until you find a perfect fit. I've never used Cavallos.

I looked at those, but the price is WAY out of my range, and they seem to come up higher on the pastern than the Easyboot line. Which I wouldn't really care about, except for miss lumpy leg. :lol:

[Auventera Two]

If you look at my site, I have a hoofboots page and put a couple on there that aren't so mainstream.

I haven't used the Bares yet so I'm not sure about the degree of difficulty.

As for the person who loses Old Macs and Easyboots - I can understand the Easyboots. But really, to throw an Old Mac you'd have to lose the whole foot with it! :eek: :lol: The way the nylon/velcro strap figure 8s around the pastern, I have no clue how it would even be physically possible to lose one. LOL. I sometimes worried that if a horse got a foot caught in something, they'd just be stuck there because that boot wasn't comin' off! I rode through everything with the G2s and never lost one. But of course, every horse is different and every situation different, so I suppose anything is possible! :)

0s are pretty tiny. That's what my Arab wears. She was in a 00 last year.

When I called EAsycare yesterday, they only have about 40 of the Size 1s left, but had tons of 0s left. (In the Bares, I mean.)

I was all excited for their new boot coming out, the Edge. But yaaack. It has a hose clamp on the front to fasten it. I'm not interested in that. So I don't think I'll be trying them out.

[sublimequine]

If you look at my site, I have a hoofboots page and put a couple on there that aren't so mainstream.

I haven't used the Bares yet so I'm not sure about the degree of difficulty.

As for the person who loses Old Macs and Easyboots - I can understand the Easyboots. But really, to throw an Old Mac you'd have to lose the whole foot with it! :eek: :lol: The way the nylon/velcro strap figure 8s around the pastern, I have no clue how it would even be physically possible to lose one. LOL. I sometimes worried that if a horse got a foot caught in something, they'd just be stuck there because that boot wasn't comin' off! I rode through everything with the G2s and never lost one. But of course, every horse is different and every situation different, so I suppose anything is possible! :)

0s are pretty tiny. That's what my Arab wears. She was in a 00 last year.

When I called EAsycare yesterday, they only have about 40 of the Size 1s left, but had tons of 0s left. (In the Bares, I mean.)

I was all excited for their new boot coming out, the Edge. But yaaack. It has a hose clamp on the front to fasten it. I'm not interested in that. So I don't think I'll be trying them out.

A 'hose clamp'? I've never heard of it. :confused:

When is the Edge coming out? I heard 2008, but when?

[Auventera Two]

Don't know when they're coming out. I applied for dealership status and the results of that is pending. Hopefully I'll be more in the loop if that goes through. I think a couple of the other trimmers here are dealers, and they might know more.

Something similiar to this:
http://www.kshoseclamp.com/p_images/big/hose_clamp/american_type_hose_clamp.jpg

If you view Karen Chaton's blog and photos, she has photos of the boots in there somewhere. The clamp isn't exactly like that, but is similiar. That just freaks me out.

[sublimequine]

Don't know when they're coming out. I applied for dealership status and the results of that is pending. Hopefully I'll be more in the loop if that goes through. I think a couple of the other trimmers here are dealers, and they might know more.

Something similiar to this:
http://www.kshoseclamp.com/p_images/big/hose_clamp/american_type_hose_clamp.jpg

If you view Karen Chaton's blog and photos, she has photos of the boots in there somewhere. The clamp isn't exactly like that, but is similiar. That just freaks me out.

I couldn't find anything on the Edge boots in her blog. Perhaps it was taken down.

[Auventera Two]

I can't access any of that stuff here from work - it's blocked.

But another thing you can do is go on www.endurance.net (http://www.endurance.net) and then go to Snapshots. Look for events that say they were photographed by Karen Chaton. If you load her albums, she takes tons of boot closeups. You can easily find the Edge in there because the clamp style is unlike what's on their website.

I can't remember which rides, but there were a couple where the Edge boots were tested out by riders, and the photos were in there.

[sublimequine]

I can't access any of that stuff here from work - it's blocked.

But another thing you can do is go on www.endurance.net (http://www.endurance.net) and then go to Snapshots. Look for events that say they were photographed by Karen Chaton. If you load her albums, she takes tons of boot closeups. You can easily find the Edge in there because the clamp style is unlike what's on their website.

I can't remember which rides, but there were a couple where the Edge boots were tested out by riders, and the photos were in there.

Found em! They certainly look interesting. They look a lot like the Bares.

[Auventera Two]

Oh you did! Cool! I knew they were in there...somewhere. :D lol

I'm kind of excited about the boots, but a little dissapointed also. Of course they make more design changes before hitting the market too.

[Lauren!]

It looks like unless my mare fits into a size 0, I may have the Bares as my only option. Not my top choice, but at that price, I can't complain. Are they really that much harder to get on than the Epics?

Yes... in my experience you need a rubber mallet and some Gold Bond powder to get the Bares (with bungees) on the horse. Not fun, I'm told they get easier with time, once they break in, but I couldn't wait.

If you add buckles... UpBuckles (or the regular ones, like the Epics have)... they'll be easy to put on like the Epics. They were easy to put on, and they cost about $10 each. I'm very happy with the boots now that I messed around with them a bit and added buckles and tapers in place of the back strap.

[sublimequine]

Yes... in my experience you need a rubber mallet and some Gold Bond powder to get the Bares (with bungees) on the horse. Not fun, I'm told they get easier with time, once they break in, but I couldn't wait.

If you add buckles... UpBuckles (or the regular ones, like the Epics have)... they'll be easy to put on like the Epics. They were easy to put on, and they cost about $10 each. I'm very happy with the boots now that I messed around with them a bit and added buckles and tapers in place of the back strap.

Wait, so can you switch the Bares fastening system out so it has the buckle like the Epics do instead?

[Lauren!]

Wait, so can you switch the Bares fastening system out so it has the buckle like the Epics do instead?

I believe so! You can DEFINATELY add UpBuckles... and they are great. Just as easy as the Epic ones, but they point up, and are very secure. $10 each (at EasyCareInc.com or from Action Rider Tack) and you can put them on yourself... I added them to my Bares and they work great. Easy to put on... I tap the toes of mine with a rubber mallet, but oly to avoid pulling on the gaiters... I took the back straps out of mine, so there's nothing to pull on.

I believe you could add traditional (epic) buckles instead... check with the folks at EasyCare before you buy, most people seem to be switching to the UpBuckles if anything (though I know many people who LOVE the bungees too!)

[sublimequine]

I believe so! You can DEFINATELY add UpBuckles... and they are great. Just as easy as the Epic ones, but they point up, and are very secure. $10 each (at EasyCareInc.com or from Action Rider Tack) and you can put them on yourself... I added them to my Bares and they work great. Easy to put on... I tap the toes of mine with a rubber mallet, but oly to avoid pulling on the gaiters... I took the back straps out of mine, so there's nothing to pull on.

I believe you could add traditional (epic) buckles instead... check with the folks at EasyCare before you buy, most people seem to be switching to the UpBuckles if anything (though I know many people who LOVE the bungees too!)

Hm, I would certainly consider the Bares if I could get the buckles put on instead. :)

[Lauren!]

Just call EasyCare... they will usually change buckles for $5 each labor (I wouldn't bother... it's not hard... but $5 isn't too bad either). I'd hurry though... the clearance Bares have limited quantities. Do you know what size you need? There are also a could of sources for used boots around.

[Auventera Two]

I'll 2nd the Gold Bond suggestion. Or plain ole' corn starch. If the foot or boot is damp, it can be really hard to get that toe to slide in. I just add a sprinkle of Gold Bond inside the boot, and they slide right on. It will be interesting to see how the Bares are to work with.

[sublimequine]

I'll 2nd the Gold Bond suggestion. Or plain ole' corn starch. If the foot or boot is damp, it can be really hard to get that toe to slide in. I just add a sprinkle of Gold Bond inside the boot, and they slide right on. It will be interesting to see how the Bares are to work with.

I was hoping the barefoot lady at my barn would be able to measure my mare for me, but it looks like that won't work out. I'm a bit unsure to measure them by myself! Any tips, suggestions? :confused:

Also, is it really important to measure a freshly trimmed foot? My mare isn't due until March 10th, and I'm afraid all the clearance boots in her size will be gone by then.

[Lauren!]

Based only on my own experiences, I'd think it's probably OK to measure now... it just depends on how close to between sizes your mare is and how much foot she grows. I have noticed and heard from others that their boots fit differently at different points in the trimming cycle. Measure and see how close the measurements are to the boots in the chart... that should give you a good idea of whether it's OK to order now, or if you really need to wait. How often do you trim? Ideally, you'd measure after a fresh trim, then trim lettle but often. I have to say, I'm a slacker in the winter... my horses go 6 weeks easily, the old guy a bit longer even.

Just measure a bare hoof and be really really accurate :yes: Use the diagrams online for reference so you know exactly where to measure. Don't round up at all... boots are supposed to have a really close fit. Not sure about the clearance boots, but in general if you clean the hoof really well and stand the horse on a really clean soft surface, you would still be able to return/exchange a boot for fit as long as it didn't show signs of wear. Once on the boots should be snug, not able to turn or anything. You will probably want to order some pads as well.

[sublimequine]

Based only on my own experiences, I'd think it's probably OK to measure now... it just depends on how close to between sizes your mare is and how much foot she grows. I have noticed and heard from others that their boots fit differently at different points in the trimming cycle. Measure and see how close the measurements are to the boots in the chart... that should give you a good idea of whether it's OK to order now, or if you really need to wait. How often do you trim? Ideally, you'd measure after a fresh trim, then trim lettle but often. I have to say, I'm a slacker in the winter... my horses go 6 weeks easily, the old guy a bit longer even.

Just measure a bare hoof and be really really accurate :yes: Use the diagrams online for reference so you know exactly where to measure. Don't round up at all... boots are supposed to have a really close fit. Not sure about the clearance boots, but in general if you clean the hoof really well and stand the horse on a really clean soft surface, you would still be able to return/exchange a boot for fit as long as it didn't show signs of wear. Once on the boots should be snug, not able to turn or anything. You will probably want to order some pads as well.

Did you order yours by yourself? I need encouragement. :lol:

[Lauren!]

I did. I originally ordered 2's on the reccomendation of an experienced friend who compared the boots she had on hand (2's) to the hoof and thought they would fit. They didn't (just a little big). I measured and ordered 1's and they're perfect. I can't remember if the hoof was freshly trimmed or not, I do a bit of my own trimming, so I don't really have to wait for anyone to come trim, but that doesn't mean I did... I'm a little lazy and don't keep my trimming stuff at the barn :lol:

I still have the 2's... keep meaning to put them on Ebay or something, but I always forget :lol: I'd be happy to let you try them (if that's the size your horse measures for) but by the time I shipped them and you shipped them back... I think it would be cheaper/easier/make more sense to just order the clearance Bares and buckles (I doubt you'd be disappointed with the UpBuckles... I haven't heard any bad reviews so far) from EasyCare.

Also, a lot of trimmers stock hoof boots... the natural hoofcare lady at your barn might be able to sell you ones that fit if she carries them and you're willing to pay retail. There's also a dealer directory on the website, but again, you probably wouldn't get the clearance price. Personally, I'd measure and order online - you can screw up and get the wrong size once and still come out at the same price, and they won't be hard to get rid of at that discount if you don't like them. But measuring isn't that hard as long as you're careful and accurate :)

[sublimequine]

I did. I originally ordered 2's on the reccomendation of an experienced friend who compared the boots she had on hand (2's) to the hoof and thought they would fit. They didn't (just a little big). I measured and ordered 1's and they're perfect. I can't remember if the hoof was freshly trimmed or not, I do a bit of my own trimming, so I don't really have to wait for anyone to come trim, but that doesn't mean I did... I'm a little lazy and don't keep my trimming stuff at the barn :lol:

I still have the 2's... keep meaning to put them on Ebay or something, but I always forget :lol: I'd be happy to let you try them (if that's the size your horse measures for) but by the time I shipped them and you shipped them back... I think it would be cheaper/easier/make more sense to just order the clearance Bares and buckles (I doubt you'd be disappointed with the UpBuckles... I haven't heard any bad reviews so far) from EasyCare.

Also, a lot of trimmers stock hoof boots... the natural hoofcare lady at your barn might be able to sell you ones that fit if she carries them and you're willing to pay retail. There's also a dealer directory on the website, but again, you probably wouldn't get the clearance price. Personally, I'd measure and order online - you can screw up and get the wrong size once and still come out at the same price, and they won't be hard to get rid of at that discount if you don't like them. But measuring isn't that hard as long as you're careful and accurate :)

Thanks for the good words! I think I'm gonna try and measure her today or tomorrow. :)

[Auventera Two]

You cannot return the clearance boots. But I know from experience that boots go like hot cakes on Ebay. You'll be able to get back what you paid for them if they didn't fit.

It's best to measure right after a fresh trim, but I will admit that in doing this, I once bought boots that were RIGHT ON the money. Problem is - after a mere 1 week of growth, I couldn't get the boots on anymore. I had to bevel the walls every week if I wanted the boots to fit. I think the problem was that I took her measurements, then went with a boot size with those measurements on the very extreme end. So as she grew another mm or two of wall, she was into the next size. So it might work out to your advantage to measure now, then you'd have a little window of wiggle room.

Also keep in mind that adding the EVA pads takes up a bit of room in the boots - height wise - not width. You want them tight, but not so tight you can't get them on.

REALLY spend time studying the chart to make sure you get the right size. Don't just wing it, and don't round up or down. Measure down to the 16th, or better yet, measure in mms and use their metric chart. I have an engineering ruler so this is easy, but if you use inches, just make sure to get down to the 16th. Don't say "Ehh, looks like about 4 1/2 inches."

Trust me on that one. :lol:

[S1969]

I was hoping the barefoot lady at my barn would be able to measure my mare for me, but it looks like that won't work out. I'm a bit unsure to measure them by myself! Any tips, suggestions? :confused:

I have Boas for my mare and it was quite a process to measure and buy them! Be aware that the Easycare boots have different sizing for different types of boots - so if you decide your horse needs a size 1 in Epics, don't assume it would be a size 1 in Bares and Boas.

Definitely use a wooden or metal ruler to measure, not a fabric tape as they are not as accurate and can "mold" to the inner surfaces of the hoof and make it seem as though the hoof is larger than it is (speaking from personal experience.....:( )

I also suggest making a tracing so you can double check your measurements. It will also let you look at the overall shape of your horse's foot and make sure the boot shapes/sizes will work for you. Unfortunately I have a mare with one small, round foot and one longer, oval shaped foot....and boots typically come in pairs so it wasn't easy.

Another good suggestion is to go to the EasyCare website and look to see if there are local distributors near you. There were two near me, and one had a good selection of boots. Even better, they would let you take them home and try them on; they suggested a clean, dry floor and an old stocking over your horse's foot to keep the boot reasonably clean. If they didn't fit, they took them back with no hassle and let me exchange (which I did 3 times. :( )

Good luck!

[Auventera Two]

I have Boas for my mare and it was quite a process to measure and buy them! Be aware that the Easycare boots have different sizing for different types of boots - so if you decide your horse needs a size 1 in Epics, don't assume it would be a size 1 in Bares and Boas.


That's true, and not true. :winkgrin: Original Easyboots, Bares, Epics, and Grips all use the same sizing. Boas, OMs, and OMG2s are different.

[Auventera Two]

I also suggest making a tracing so you can double check your measurements. It will also let you look at the overall shape of your horse's foot and make sure the boot shapes/sizes will work for you. Unfortunately I have a mare with one small, round foot and one longer, oval shaped foot....and boots typically come in pairs so it wasn't easy.

The Easyboots don't come in pairs. The Boas and both lines of OMs do.

[sublimequine]

I have Boas for my mare and it was quite a process to measure and buy them! Be aware that the Easycare boots have different sizing for different types of boots - so if you decide your horse needs a size 1 in Epics, don't assume it would be a size 1 in Bares and Boas.

Definitely use a wooden or metal ruler to measure, not a fabric tape as they are not as accurate and can "mold" to the inner surfaces of the hoof and make it seem as though the hoof is larger than it is (speaking from personal experience.....:( )

I also suggest making a tracing so you can double check your measurements. It will also let you look at the overall shape of your horse's foot and make sure the boot shapes/sizes will work for you. Unfortunately I have a mare with one small, round foot and one longer, oval shaped foot....and boots typically come in pairs so it wasn't easy.

Another good suggestion is to go to the EasyCare website and look to see if there are local distributors near you. There were two near me, and one had a good selection of boots. Even better, they would let you take them home and try them on; they suggested a clean, dry floor and an old stocking over your horse's foot to keep the boot reasonably clean. If they didn't fit, they took them back with no hassle and let me exchange (which I did 3 times. :( )

Good luck!

Yeah, tomorrow I'm going to go get a ruler, and bring some paper and a pen out to the barn to do tracings as well as measure. Unfortunately there are no distributors around, as I'd LOVE to be able to try them on before buying!

A2; You know, I was thinking about that, measuring right after a trim would not leave a lot of room for growth of the foot itself. So like you said, perhaps it's best to measure now.

[matryoshka]

Chiming in here as a person experienced in both Epics and Easyboots. I use the Epics on my OTTB without rubbing issues. If the gaiter is too small, you can get some extra velcro and enlarge it. Also, depending on which leg has the bump, perhaps you can try a regular easyboot on that foot to see if it stays on.

My OTTB hits his front feet a lot, so the regular Easyboots don't even make it into the trailer. Either gluing them on or using Epics are my only options for him. I have a feeling he'll rip the boots off even with the glue, since he once ripped a gaiter in half before I figured out how to alter the boots to fit him better. My guy is very athletic and sometimes (!) emotional, so boots have to survive bucking, galloping, jumping at odd times, etc.

I fostered a little Arabian mare for Equihab last year, and she went well in Easyboots. I cut the back down to level with the sole of the boot to give her less of an edge to catch with a hind toe. They were fine for regular trail riding, but during a competetive trail ride, she somehow ended up with one of the fronts on a hind foot :confused:, and from there it fell off on the trail. Luckily, the drag riders found it and returned it to me after the ride. I could have used glue but didn't want to try anything unfamiliar the morning of the ride. Plus, when you use glue, the boots stay on for a while.

Fitting: If your horse has feet that are longer than they are wide, Easyboots are a reasonable option. I recommend using a sharp knife to cut the back of the boot down to the level of the sole so that the horse is less likely to pull it off. Also, water drains out nicely, and I actually end up with fewer pebbles in the boots once I've done this. You can also add wedges, etc., if your horse doesn't fit the boots right out of the box. I have shaved down portions of the boots when it looked like it could rub the coronet. As long as the parts that secure the boots are not compromised, you can actually modify them quite a bit.

Losing Boots: If you worry about your horse pulling them off, then order the thingies that you can put around your horses fetlocks (not a gaiter) so the boot stays with your horse. OR spraypaint them a bright color so you can find them on the trail after losing one. I've got over a $100 worth of lost boots (solid black) floating around at Fair Hill, MD.

Boot Closure: I find the clip closures on both the Epics and the Easyboots to be a PIA. I recently installed the Easy-Up clips, and all I can say is WOW. I don't have to step on the clip to close it, and it stayed very secure. I also found the original clips to be fragile when used on my OTTB. Before they made them interchangeable, my boy ruined a couple of boots by mashing the clips. The clips also had an annoying tendency to flip up during a ride.

If you can find an EasyCare dealer in your area, you'll have his/her help in fitting and modifying boots if necessary. Most people don't really need to do many (if any) mods to the boots. I happen to have odd horses and am very finicky about fit.

Other Boots: I've also used Old Macs and Boas. The Old Macs fit my round-footed horse, but they looked ugly and huge. Then, he stepped on the back strap and bent one of the buckles, so it is held on strictly by velcro. I'm not a Boa fan, but they are relatively easy to use. I used both OM's and Boas with pastern wraps to prevent rubbing.

One more option: I've recently heard of Equicast. I haven't tried it yet, but my friend is putting it on her trail horse this weekend, and I will be trying it on my OTTB. Then I'll know whether I like it enough to put it on any clients' horses (I'm a trimmer, which explains my persistance with boots). :D

[sublimequine]

UPDATE!

I measured miss maresie today! :) :) :)

Luckily she was VERY well-behaved, as I was doing it all myself with no help. I put her in the wash rack where she would be on flat, clean ground with good lighting. I measured both front feet with a little metal ruler, and actually measured them twice just to be sure. I also did a tracing of both feet and compared them to the template the Easycare site has as a PDF file. Then when I had a general idea, I trimmed out the size 2 shape on the template, and held it up to her hoof. Too big, it overlapped everywhere. So I cut out the size 1 shape. Perfect!

So it looks like she's a size 1. Here's her measurements if anyone's interested:

LEFT FRONT
Length: 5 inches exactly
Width: 4 15/16 inches

RIGHT FRONT
Length: 4 15/16 inches
Width: 4 13/16 inches

Is it unusual for a horse to have such ROUND feet? Her length and width measurements are almost the same. :eek:

Also, the width of her Left Front is a little bit concerning. The size 1s max width is 4 7/8, or 4 14/16. That's slightly smaller than her hoof width, by 1/16 of an inch. BUT, her feet aren't getting any bigger than they are now, as she's due in a week. So I'm thinking if I go up a size, they will be way too big when she's freshly trimmed.

One more question! My mare is pigeon-toed, and gets a slight flare mainly on the LF. Would this effect the fit of the boots?

[Auventera Two]

That probably sounds right. My mare who is 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 wears a 1. My mare who is 5 x 5 and sometimes a tiche more, wears a size 2. But the 2s are a bit too big. If she were going to be doing any major serious rides I'd try to squeeze her into a 1 for a really tight fit.

The flare should be fine. I have a pigeon toed fattie who has a very round lateral wall and I have no troubles.

[Lookout]

It is not unusual for the hoof to be round, that's healthy. The original Old Mac's were made round and wound up not not fitting a lot of contracted feet so new designs have been introduced.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the fitting before/after/close too trimming. If you are right on the edge you should probably go up. Your mare's feet should not vary that much after a trim at this point I wouldn't think. The one thing that might affect it that way is the flare - have a look at it and if there is a lot of separation that will 'go away' after a trim then I would use that as my guideline but OTOH you want the boots to fit anywhere in the trim cycle.

Christina

UPDATE!

I measured miss maresie today! :) :) :)

Luckily she was VERY well-behaved, as I was doing it all myself with no help. I put her in the wash rack where she would be on flat, clean ground with good lighting. I measured both front feet with a little metal ruler, and actually measured them twice just to be sure. I also did a tracing of both feet and compared them to the template the Easycare site has as a PDF file. Then when I had a general idea, I trimmed out the size 2 shape on the template, and held it up to her hoof. Too big, it overlapped everywhere. So I cut out the size 1 shape. Perfect!

So it looks like she's a size 1. Here's her measurements if anyone's interested:

LEFT FRONT
Length: 5 inches exactly
Width: 4 15/16 inches

RIGHT FRONT
Length: 4 15/16 inches
Width: 4 13/16 inches

Is it unusual for a horse to have such ROUND feet? Her length and width measurements are almost the same. :eek:

Also, the width of her Left Front is a little bit concerning. The size 1s max width is 4 7/8, or 4 14/16. That's slightly smaller than her hoof width, by 1/16 of an inch. BUT, her feet aren't getting any bigger than they are now, as she's due in a week. So I'm thinking if I go up a size, they will be way too big when she's freshly trimmed.

One more question! My mare is pigeon-toed, and gets a slight flare mainly on the LF. Would this effect the fit of the boots?

[sublimequine]

That probably sounds right. My mare who is 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 wears a 1. My mare who is 5 x 5 and sometimes a tiche more, wears a size 2. But the 2s are a bit too big. If she were going to be doing any major serious rides I'd try to squeeze her into a 1 for a really tight fit.

The flare should be fine. I have a pigeon toed fattie who has a very round lateral wall and I have no troubles.

So you think I should go with the 1s? Just my gut feeling is that the 2s are going to be too big.

Lookout; The flare isn't huge, certainly better than it used to be (current farrier does a wonderful job with the pigeon toes). At this point her foot is at its 'biggest', since she's due for a trim, which will make her slightly smaller, and remove any small flare that is left. That's why I'm thinking a size 1 would be my best bet. Also, like I said, when I held up the size 2 template up to her hoof, it overlapped everywhere. When I held up the size 1, it fit nicely, and there was only a TEENSY (like 1/16 inch) bit of hoof where the flare is that hung over.

[Lookout]

I would go with the 1's. Unless you expect the hoof to expand in the near future.

PS I have an ongoing critique page of hoof boots on my blog where users contribute their experiences. it hasn't been updated in a while with they new boot modesl, and if anyone cares to I'd appreciate it. It makes a great permanent record, easy to find, judging by the amount of hits it gets.

http://barefoothoofcare.wordpress.com/hoof-boots/

[sublimequine]

I would go with the 1's. Unless you expect the hoof to expand in the near future.

PS I have an ongoing critique page of hoof boots on my blog where users contribute their experiences. it hasn't been updated in a while with they new boot modesl, and if anyone cares to I'd appreciate it. It makes a great permanent record, easy to find, judging by the amount of hits it gets.

http://barefoothoofcare.wordpress.com/hoof-boots/

That site will be useful for me! Once I choose what boot I'm going to get, I'll try and make a post there as well. :)

If any other folks have some good resources for hoof boot info, I'm all ears.

[matryoshka]

I cut half moons into the sides of the 2's my OTTB wears on his back feet. I'm of the camp that thinks you should stay with the smaller size. If they are too large, they'll turn on the foot.

A friend just taught me to start putting the boots on turned 45 degrees rather than having the heels and toes aligned. Get one side on, and then twist as you slide it on. It works! I've been using boots for several years now, and I never figured that out. It works even with the Bares. Without the twisting method, I had to use a mallet to get the Bares on.

My horse has feet that measure at least as wide as they are long. I have to combine two sizes to fit him. It's a pain, but it can be done. I've recently modified a set of Bares to try on his front feet. I prefer the shape of the soles on the Bares to the Epics. Getting the Bares onto his wide feet may prove a bit of a challenge. If it is too difficult, I can always install the Up clips.

[sublimequine]

I cut half moons into the sides of the 2's my OTTB wears on his back feet. I'm of the camp that thinks you should stay with the smaller size. If they are too large, they'll turn on the foot.

A friend just taught me to start putting the boots on turned 45 degrees rather than having the heels and toes aligned. Get one side on, and then twist as you slide it on. It works! I've been using boots for several years now, and I never figured that out. It works even with the Bares. Without the twisting method, I had to use a mallet to get the Bares on.

My horse has feet that measure at least as wide as they are long. I have to combine two sizes to fit him. It's a pain, but it can be done. I've recently modified a set of Bares to try on his front feet. I prefer the shape of the soles on the Bares to the Epics. Getting the Bares onto his wide feet may prove a bit of a challenge. If it is too difficult, I can always install the Up clips.

Can you say that twisting method again? I'm not really understanding what you mean, but it sounds like I might want to try that! :)

[matryoshka]

Okay, I'll try. If the hoof is a clock and the heel is 12:00 when held in the air, rotate the boot so the heel is pointing toward 12:07 (or 11:53). Push it on so that one hoof quarter slides into the boot. As you push more, twist so the heel of the boot matches the heel of the hoof.

I put the foot in the farrier hold to do this. So the pastern is between my knees and I can use both hands to put the boot on.

Hey, I just realized that we have bucking horses in common--I responded to your other thread. :D

[sublimequine]

Okay, I'll try. If the hoof is a clock and the heel is 12:00 when held in the air, rotate the boot so the heel is pointing toward 12:07 (or 11:53). Push it on so that one hoof quarter slides into the boot. As you push more, twist so the heel of the boot matches the heel of the hoof.

I put the foot in the farrier hold to do this. So the pastern is between my knees and I can use both hands to put the boot on.

Hey, I just realized that we have bucking horses in common--I responded to your other thread. :D

Ohhhh, okay. Good clock analogy! I was able to picture EXACTLY you were saying. :lol: So you say that makes it a lot easier to get the boot on? I've put Epics on a horse before (not mine), and I put it on straight. You kinda have to wiggle it around a lot, but I can see where if you can just give it one kinda sideways twist, that might work better than putting it on straight and slowly wiggling it into place.

Yep, bucking horse owners. We need to STICK TOGETHER! :winkgrin:

[matryoshka]

Yep, bucking horse owners. We need to STICK TOGETHER! :winkgrin:I'll be happy just to stick to the saddle! The last time we were out for a training ride, he managed to throw me forward in the saddle while bucking on a fairly steep uphill. ;) I really hate it when he shows signs of wanting to buck on a nasty downhill slope. Luckily, he's learned that watching his footing is more important than expressing himself on the steeper trails.

Let me know if the twisting trick works for you. I'm tightening the bungee on my newly-modified Bares, so I'll see if it still works for me.

[sublimequine]

I'll be happy just to stick to the saddle! The last time we were out for a training ride, he managed to throw me forward in the saddle while bucking on a fairly steep uphill. ;) I really hate it when he shows signs of wanting to buck on a nasty downhill slope. Luckily, he's learned that watching his footing is more important than expressing himself on the steeper trails.

Let me know if the twisting trick works for you. I'm tightening the bungee on my newly-modified Bares, so I'll see if it still works for me.

Wow, bucking on slopes? Your guy is an expert! I think my mare would fall flat on her face if she tried that.. :lol:

I'll definitely let you know if the twist method works. I think I'm gonna order a pair of boots today. I'm thinking of getting the regular Easyboots. I'm more comfortable using them than the Bares, and if I have problems with them, I can always buy the gaiters seperately. :yes:

[sublimequine]

YAAAAAAAAY I DID IT! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bought a pair of hoof boots! I am so excited! But I sure hope they fit.. :eek:

I decided on the plain old Easyboots, sans gaiters, on Valleyvet. I know and trust Valleyvet, and I'm familiar with the regular Easyboots. I'm going to try them without a gaiter, and if I have issues, I'll simply buy the gaiters. I can't wait for them to arrive! :D

[islandrider]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves the cavallos? EVERY time I rode with an easy boot my horse lost one, both. In a year or so of riding with the cavallos, never a lost, twisted, or loose boot, even in deep mud! I guess foot shape dictates what is best, but for my guy, cavallo's are the only boot!

[sublimequine]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves the cavallos? EVERY time I rode with an easy boot my horse lost one, both. In a year or so of riding with the cavallos, never a lost, twisted, or loose boot, even in deep mud! I guess foot shape dictates what is best, but for my guy, cavallo's are the only boot!

To be honest I haven't met many folks who have used the Cavallos. For my personal preference though, I wanted something a little slimmer. :)

That's awesome that yours work so well though! Have you jumped or hand-galloped in them or anything? I'll be curious if I can do that in my Easyboots.

[S1969]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves the cavallos? EVERY time I rode with an easy boot my horse lost one, both. In a year or so of riding with the cavallos, never a lost, twisted, or loose boot, even in deep mud! I guess foot shape dictates what is best, but for my guy, cavallo's are the only boot!

I bought Cavallos for my TB mare but they only came in lengths (if I recall correctly) and they are WAY too wide for her feet - she looks like a clown! They happen to fit my draft pony quite well, so I kept them as she gets small rocks, etc. stuck in her clefts during heavy mud season.

Hoof shape is definitely a big factor.

But for what it's worth, I haven't used either my Boas or Cavallos in heavy riding situations but can't see how either of them would fall off if properly fitted.

Good luck with the Easyboots!

[islandrider]

I haven't jumped (except unplanned hops on the trail) but PLENTY of gallops and long, long trots. Yes, they are only measured by length. I think one thing that has helped with our success is that I have cut little memory foam shims to fill in the spaces between hoof and boot such as after a trim, etc. This has helped keep them "stuck" where they should be without rubbing- and kept them from clunk-clunking. I've also cleaned them well after each use, kept the velcro clean, and waterproofed them often as needed! They are really awesome for us anyway!

[sublimequine]

I haven't jumped (except unplanned hops on the trail) but PLENTY of gallops and long, long trots. Yes, they are only measured by length. I think one thing that has helped with our success is that I have cut little memory foam shims to fill in the spaces between hoof and boot such as after a trim, etc. This has helped keep them "stuck" where they should be without rubbing- and kept them from clunk-clunking. I've also cleaned them well after each use, kept the velcro clean, and waterproofed them often as needed! They are really awesome for us anyway!

Oh yeah, that's actually what I meant by jumping, as in there's a branch on the trail and we need to hop over it. We don't do 'real' jumping hardly ever. :lol:

[sublimequine]

My boots are here! I'm so excited to try them on her. They look really nice. I'm gonna try and get them out to the barn tonight. I'll let you guys know if they fit.. I hope so! :eek::eek::eek:

[Auventera Two]

Yay, I hope it goes well! They might be really hard to put on at first. I've noticed that with the Easyboots. With one particular pair I just felt like crying. :lol: But they "do" break in! :yes:

[pandorasboxx]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves the cavallos? EVERY time I rode with an easy boot my horse lost one, both. In a year or so of riding with the cavallos, never a lost, twisted, or loose boot, even in deep mud! I guess foot shape dictates what is best, but for my guy, cavallo's are the only boot!

I don't like the inside seaming on them. Someone in my barn used them for short trail rides and had problems with rubs, clunkiness and sizing. After discussion on endurance lists, I don't think they are suitable for distance riding. The same issues cropped up: rubbing, clunkiness and durability.

It's great they have worked for you. There is a lid for every pot. :)

[LDavis104]

I didn't read all the posts so not sure if this has already been suggested, but just a tip for getting those things ON! The TB I ride wore Easyboots for a few months up until recently. What helped me get them on was - put them on his hooves as best I can and then let his foot down and let him step into them. They won't be on all the way at this point, almost falling off actually, don't velcro them quite yet. Then lead him up & down the aisle, or out the barn for a little bit to let him push his feet up towards the front of the boot (only had him pull one off once by stepping on the velcro with the opposite hoof) . Then it will be easier to pull the back part up so you can velcro it tightly.

[TBrescue]

When you go to put the boot on, be sure to fold the gaiter all the way back. Standing in front of your horse facing the horse, pick up the foot and hold the knee between your knees. Put the toe in first, then flip the gaiter up and let the horse step into the boot as you pull up on the back of the gaiter. This is how my friend the barefoot trimmer showed me and it works great. You may need 2 "step ins" at first to get the heel portion on correctly and you really need to pull on the gaiter.
Have fun with your new boots!

[matryoshka]

Well, I snugged up the Bares so they fit properly, and the twisting method I described is still working to get them on. I've always had trouble getting his boots on past the quarters, but this way, I get one quarter into the boot and then it slides onto the other quarter as I twist. No need to let him step on the boot to seat it. Now I don't even have to pull on the gaiter to help get his heels in!

You'll probably end up just doing what works best for you. You've got lots of good tips. Let us know how it works for you. We can also help with modifications and other stuff if you find yourself getting frustrated. :D

[sublimequine]

Well, after lots of grunting and groaning, struggling, and the help of TWO other people.. I got them on! :lol:

It really wasn't even the boot that was the problem. Maresie was quite muddy, so I hosed her hooves off to clean them up. So her legs were slick as snot, and I couldn't get a good grip. But once they were on, they seemed to fit and looked really nice! The only thing I was worried about is they just fit so low in the back, I'm surprised how low they are. But I guess that's to keep her heel bulbs from getting rubbed/sore. :confused:

I walked her around in them (hand-walk), and she was a bit confused, but didn't seem to mind them too much. I think we both just need a bit more practice with them. :lol:

[Auventera Two]

Hey, I was thinking of you last night! I got my 3 new sets of boots and I was a gruntin' groanin' fool last night too! :lol: But it sounds like you had more success than me! I managed to get a whoppin' total of TWO boots on. Sheesh. I had to adjust the bungees out to the loosest setting. It was a real pain in the arse. But - they sat on my doorstep in 15 degree weather all day yesterday so they were hard as rocks. I'm sure that doesn't help.

Maty - I tried the twisting thing - and NO LUCK at all. :no: I got one quarter in, but as I twisted and pulled the boot on, the other quarter would NOT go past that metal bungee at all. In fact, the metal bungee tore a whole in the quarter on one foot. :eek: Just chunked it right out, like you cut it out with a knife. Yes the horse is a bit overgrown and the quarters were a bit thin, but sheesh.

The only way I had any luck at all was the mallet method. I got the toe in then beat the boot on. But since then I've opened up the bungees more to the last notch. I'll try again tonight. Also I didn't powder the boots. That makes them go on easier. Don't know what I was thinking, but I wasn't feeling good last night and couldn't seem to think straight.

In any case, the Bares are more difficult than the Epics.

Also, the backstraps suck. I cut them out of all my Epics. I will cut them out of the Bares too, and that will open up more room. The only problem is that the Size 1 fits Monster and Libbey. On Libbey it slipped right on, not too much trouble. On Monster - eh - didn't work at all. So if I cut out the backstrap, they'll be too big for Libbey but will fit Monster. Looks like I need to buy ANOTHER set. :lol: Thank god I just got the dealership approval. I'm hoping the prices are even cheaper than the bargin bin prices. If so, I'll be order a lot more boots.

Sublime - the original Easyboots are very low in the back so they don't rub the heel bulbs. If your horse is pulling them off, you can buy the gaiters, then essentially you have Epics.

[sublimequine]

Hey, I was thinking of you last night! I got my 3 new sets of boots and I was a gruntin' groanin' fool last night too! :lol: But it sounds like you had more success than me! I managed to get a whoppin' total of TWO boots on. Sheesh. I had to adjust the bungees out to the loosest setting. It was a real pain in the arse. But - they sat on my doorstep in 15 degree weather all day yesterday so they were hard as rocks. I'm sure that doesn't help.

Maty - I tried the twisting thing - and NO LUCK at all. :no: I got one quarter in, but as I twisted and pulled the boot on, the other quarter would NOT go past that metal bungee at all. In fact, the metal bungee tore a whole in the quarter on one foot. :eek: Just chunked it right out, like you cut it out with a knife. Yes the horse is a bit overgrown and the quarters were a bit thin, but sheesh.

The only way I had any luck at all was the mallet method. I got the toe in then beat the boot on. But since then I've opened up the bungees more to the last notch. I'll try again tonight. Also I didn't powder the boots. That makes them go on easier. Don't know what I was thinking, but I wasn't feeling good last night and couldn't seem to think straight.

In any case, the Bares are more difficult than the Epics.

Also, the backstraps suck. I cut them out of all my Epics. I will cut them out of the Bares too, and that will open up more room. The only problem is that the Size 1 fits Monster and Libbey. On Libbey it slipped right on, not too much trouble. On Monster - eh - didn't work at all. So if I cut out the backstrap, they'll be too big for Libbey but will fit Monster. Looks like I need to buy ANOTHER set. :lol: Thank god I just got the dealership approval. I'm hoping the prices are even cheaper than the bargin bin prices. If so, I'll be order a lot more boots.

Sublime - the original Easyboots are very low in the back so they don't rub the heel bulbs. If your horse is pulling them off, you can buy the gaiters, then essentially you have Epics.

Well I got both on, but I'll tell ya, it wasn't a pretty sight! At one point, I kid you not, I had one person holding maresie, one person holding her foot steady, and I was yanking like a fiend in the pull strap to get it on. Poor maresie probably was wondering WHAT THE HECK I was tryin to do. :lol:

As for the powder, I wanted to ask about that. What kind of powder do you use, baby powder? Will it effect the hoof, or the boot at all? In this wet weather I'm thinking a bit of powder might do me some good. :eek:

I'm glad the boot is supposed to fit low, it sounds like I had it on correct then. Although I have go buy a new hoofpick today, I broke mine trying to get the buckle flipped up to remove them. It was a really old, plastic handle one.. and the metal part just ripped right out. :lol:

I might try and get them on again today (I was at the doctor's yesterday and learned I have bronchitis.. so straining and struggling under a horse might not be great for that :lol: ) and possibly lunge her lightly in them to let her work them in a bit and get used to em.

Also, will a mallet work on the regular Easyboots? Should I perhaps invest in one until they're a bit more 'broken in'?

[Auventera Two]

Ooooh bronchitis! Yuck. I've had that a few times and it's not fun. I hope you feel better quick!

I've never had any difficulty getting regular easyboots on . Just the Epics, and now the Bares. And I think that's mostly because of the gaiters.

The mallet method does help. You can just tap the toe a few times. Another thing I do is hold the leg at the knee and let the toe tap on the ground. The first few times the horse was like - what the heck? But they got used to it.

I use Gold Bond powder. It's something Pete Ramey recommends and I love it. I don't think it affects the boots. I've been using it for maybe a year or so in my boots and never noticed any affect on them.

[sublimequine]

Ooooh bronchitis! Yuck. I've had that a few times and it's not fun. I hope you feel better quick!

I've never had any difficulty getting regular easyboots on . Just the Epics, and now the Bares. And I think that's mostly because of the gaiters.

The mallet method does help. You can just tap the toe a few times. Another thing I do is hold the leg at the knee and let the toe tap on the ground. The first few times the horse was like - what the heck? But they got used to it.

I use Gold Bond powder. It's something Pete Ramey recommends and I love it. I don't think it affects the boots. I've been using it for maybe a year or so in my boots and never noticed any affect on them.

Letting the toe tap the ground, GOOD IDEA! I'll have to try that as well. :lol:

I probably won't need the powder and mallet once I get a routine going, but for now it's gonna be tough going for a little while. I'll just hope I learn fast! :D

[Auventera Two]

Hey, did you come out victorious on the boot wars tonight?! :lol:

I did!! Yay! A word to the wise though....be very wary when whacking your horse's foot with a hammer when the horse has never been shod before in it's life. :eek: I put the Arab's toe in the boot, gave it a good whack with the hammer and she promptly shot 2 feet up in the air and nearly took my head off. I had no problem with the other horse I tried last night, but she's been shod a thousand times. The Arab - eh - not so much. Boy. Shows you what things you take for granted! After she figured out what I was doing, we were fine on the other 3 feet.

Anyway, I got all 4 of the Bares on the Arab and took her for a 30 minute walk down the road. I didn't dare ride as she was a crazed lunatic for some reason. So on the lead it was. She seemed very happy with her new boots and danced and jogged the whole way. Sheesh.

I'm very happy with the boots so far. But to get them on, I had to cut out the back straps. I knew that would happen. Nothing like hacking up brand new boots. Oh well. It had to be done.

Sorry to hijack you. Just sitting here waiting on hubs to get home. Thought I'd see if you'd had any luck.

[sublimequine]

Hey, did you come out victorious on the boot wars tonight?! :lol:

I did!! Yay! A word to the wise though....be very wary when whacking your horse's foot with a hammer when the horse has never been shod before in it's life. :eek: I put the Arab's toe in the boot, gave it a good whack with the hammer and she promptly shot 2 feet up in the air and nearly took my head off. I had no problem with the other horse I tried last night, but she's been shod a thousand times. The Arab - eh - not so much. Boy. Shows you what things you take for granted! After she figured out what I was doing, we were fine on the other 3 feet.

Anyway, I got all 4 of the Bares on the Arab and took her for a 30 minute walk down the road. I didn't dare ride as she was a crazed lunatic for some reason. So on the lead it was. She seemed very happy with her new boots and danced and jogged the whole way. Sheesh.

I'm very happy with the boots so far. But to get them on, I had to cut out the back straps. I knew that would happen. Nothing like hacking up brand new boots. Oh well. It had to be done.

Sorry to hijack you. Just sitting here waiting on hubs to get home. Thought I'd see if you'd had any luck.

You're not hijacking at all. Anything about hoof boots is welcome here. :D

As for the boots tonight.. after looking at the DISGUSTING MUDDY DRIPPING CLUBS that are my mare's legs tonight, I decided we'd commence the boot battle at the later date. :lol:

[matryoshka]

I had a trimming client who couldn't get the Epics on at all and was really upset. We met to go trail riding, and I found she'd been trying to put them on without loosening the cable first!

A2, the bungee doesn't come into contact with the quarters at all when I twist the boot on. When I start the twist, the quarter is near the heel of the boot, and I push on the heel as I'm putting it on. Oh well, it works well for me and my wide-footed guy. I did start with the bungee all the way loose for the first ride, then snugged them up one hole each ride after that.

Butch needs the heel strap or the boots flop. He's got TB heels. I have taken the heel strap out of boots for horses that have well developed, meaty heel bulbs. If you don't, they rub. I also turn the strap so that the smooth side faces the heel--fewer rubs that way.

A friend of mine always places her boots under the car heater when hauling out to the trail so they are warmed up when she gets there! Fifteen-degree weather would kill me right now. I get so depressed at the tag end of winter that if I don't get some warmth and sunshine I can barely function. God bless you and those who live in the really cold climates!

[Auventera Two]

I'll try the twisting thing again, I'm sure I was doing it wrong. Also the bungees were at the loosest so there was bare metal between contacting the quarter. If I snug them up, the bungee won't be exposed like that. I can see that I'll have to tighten them after another use or so, so that's a good thing. I don't know why I didn't try the Bares before. I think I'm really going to like them. I like the tread pattern much better.

What kind of traction do you find you have with the Bares? The bottom just looks better than the original.

Heel straps are always the first thing to go. I nip them out with the nippers, right up to the taper. I use the EVA pads and found that I have a hard time using straps and pads together.

[sublimequine]

I'll try the twisting thing again, I'm sure I was doing it wrong. Also the bungees were at the loosest so there was bare metal between contacting the quarter. If I snug them up, the bungee won't be exposed like that. I can see that I'll have to tighten them after another use or so, so that's a good thing. I don't know why I didn't try the Bares before. I think I'm really going to like them. I like the tread pattern much better.

What kind of traction do you find you have with the Bares? The bottom just looks better than the original.

Heel straps are always the first thing to go. I nip them out with the nippers, right up to the taper. I use the EVA pads and found that I have a hard time using straps and pads together.

You know, the straps didn't seem to be any problem in my girl's boots, and I was surprised. I was sure I'd have to trim them. But I'm not using the pads either, so perhaps that's part of it.

[matryoshka]

I like the traction much better in the Bares so far. Butch hasn't slipped on grass once since I started using them. We've done WTC so far (top speed is about 16 mph), but we haven't really galloped in them. He seems to feel the rocks more in the Bares, which surprised me. Then again, he's just getting back into work after being laid up with the abscess and then body soreness following that.

Based on what the osteopath told me, we've been doing slow trotting, and I'm supposed to get him to go round. He simply doesn't want to. Also, after a clinic where we discussed how horses lean on the forhand to pick up speed, I'm working hard to keep him off his forehand. I can feel him dive into the canter when he really wants to go, and boy does he get mad when I won't let him drop onto his forehand. He is not happy about it! I think this will be the key to keeping him from running away with me at the next endurance ride.

We will need pads at a competition. If he feels the rocks when we are alone, I know he'll ignore them during a competition and possibly bruise his soles. So, we'll pad then. For now I like him without pads and we are just careful when there are large rocks. His feet got out of condition during his lay-up too. He's got deep fever rings on all fours from when he was so lame.

BTW, the Up Clips are much, much easier than the clips that come on the Easyboots and Epics. So far, we haven't even frayed a wire, which is practically a miracle. Butch is very hard on boots. The up clips take less time and aggravation during application and removal of the boots. They are worth the extra $. Plus, you can transfer them to the next pair! I'm using Epics with Up Clips on the hind feet rather than purchasing a set of size 2 Bares. When these wear out, I'll probably get Bares for the hind feet, too.

[Appassionato]

Just a thought matryoshka...the bares flex more, correct? If your guy had some laminitic attacks (not accusing, completely speculating) then there could be enough laminar detachment that the horse feels unfcomortable in a boot that flexes (bares might be less supportive compared to the epics?). This is me just thinking out loud from your response, not a veterinary/farriery assessment. I don't have that kind of education. :winkgrin:

As far as leaning and then running away with you, a tough XC rider can tell you how to keep them "up in front". It's all about how you position yourself on top of the horse (when you can take tension off your arms and back, and when and HOW to allow for a "break"). That's one thing I did learn from Bruce Davidson. He is a XC God. ;)

sublimequine, I'm also not trying to detract from your thread. Just trying to give food for thought to matryoshka but also lurkers that might be reading this thread and wondering what might be going on.

[Auventera Two]

I'm planning to keep Epics on the fronts of my QH and Bares on the back. I think she needs a more rigid boot with more protection up front since she's so darned heavy on the front. I rode her for an hour today down the side of the county road where the footing is good (as in, only gravel and no ice right now.) She had her old Epics on front and the new Bares on the back. She was feelin' gooooood! Sheesh, try to hold back a freight train who feels like rockin' and rolling when she can't do more than hobble around the frozen paddock. Needless to say, we made the 5 mile loop in record time. I think we cantered and galloped most of the way. I think she felt good to get out there and blow out the pipes. Poor things can't do more that squeak from one hay pile to the next with this horrible sub-zero temps we're STILL having.

The only thing I was concerned about is that I noticed big scuffs on the fronts of the hind boots, so she must have been hitting them on the fronts. Darn it. I'll rasp the front boots back some more to ease the breakover.

[matryoshka]

Thanks for the thought, Appass! I can try the regular Epics up front to see if a different boot helps. Before last week, I was using OM's on him up front, which have monster treads. The problem with traction is that our clay soil clings in the treads and actually makes them more slick. Same thing happens in the Epics, making them slick on mud and grass. With the tread on the Bares, there is nothing for the mud to cling to, so the bottoms stay clean.

As for laminitis, I now believe he was laminitc when he got so lame with the leg abscess. In fact, it looks like he could have rotated a degree or so in the front--that was my biggest worry when he was laid up. I'll be able to tell better when the hoof grows down further. I hadn't thought about that in connection to him having more trouble than usual on the rocks. Duh! Because of his soft walls, I still don't want to go with nail-on shoes. I could try Sigafoos, but he hits himself so much that I'm concerned he'll rip them off and defeat the purpose. I can always put a pads in the boots and see if that helps him.

As for getting him off the forehand, I rode in a different saddle yesterday and was a bit off my game. I switched to an Abetta western with an Arabian tree (its a bit wider in the withers). It fits me better as well, but it is shorter than my endurance saddle and the balance is a bit different. We are a work in progress, that is for sure! He did NOT like me making him stay in a canter rather than letting him stretch into a gallop. :lol:

Anyway, I prefer to have the traction of the Bares up front if possible. I'll work on getting him comfortable enough to trot on gravel again. It doesn't help that it has been so wet we've got to stick to gravel trails if we don't want to ruin the footing for everybody. His feet grow so fast that the damage should grow out in a few months.

[Appassionato]

Sheesh, try to hold back a freight train who feels like rockin' and rolling when she can't do more than hobble around the frozen paddock...Poor things can't do more that squeak from one hay pile to the next with this horrible sub-zero temps we're STILL having.

[Edited by me]

Talk to Katy about this. She mentioned her guys hobbling due to severe temps while on great diets. Just worth a thought. Maybe between everyone talking about it, we can find some answers and address it. It had something to do with "neuropathy" if I am not mistaken.

Thanks for the thought, Appass! I can try the regular Epics up front to see if a different boot helps. Before last week, I was using OM's on him up front, which have monster treads. The problem with traction is that our clay soil clings in the treads and actually makes them more slick. Same thing happens in the Epics, making them slick on mud and grass. With the tread on the Bares, there is nothing for the mud to cling to, so the bottoms stay clean.

Understandable. Ripping tendons/ligaments/muscles isn't desireable. :winkgrin:

As for laminitis, I now believe he was laminitc when he got so lame with the leg abscess. In fact, it looks like he could have rotated a degree or so in the front--that was my biggest worry when he was laid up. I'll be able to tell better when the hoof grows down further. I hadn't thought about that in connection to him having more trouble than usual on the rocks. Duh! Because of his soft walls, I still don't want to go with nail-on shoes. I could try Sigafoos, but he hits himself so much that I'm concerned he'll rip them off and defeat the purpose. I can always put a pads in the boots and see if that helps him.

This is honestly the first time I thought "laminitis" with your boy as well. BTW, not knockin', but see how easy it is to miss laminitic attacks? I say this because "some folks" think it is SOOOO easy...no it ain't. Especially when your horse has other issues going on. Sometimes it's an after-the-fact observation. Laminitis can be a PITA like that.

As far as nail-on vs. glue-on...I can't advise there. Mr. Pat would be your best help there. Jaye and Dave would of course help, but Pat is closer and you could actually speak with him about consulting for your horse.

BTW, Sigafoos shoes are harder to rip off than nail-ons. I don't know WHAT other people are talking about when they say that Sigafoos don't stay on well...that glue is unbelievable. *I* was shocked. Bo
s were Hell to get off at 8 weeks!

As for getting him off the forehand, I rode in a different saddle yesterday and was a bit off my game. I switched to an Abetta western with an Arabian tree (its a bit wider in the withers). It fits me better as well, but it is shorter than my endurance saddle and the balance is a bit different. We are a work in progress, that is for sure! He did NOT like me making him stay in a canter rather than letting him stretch into a gallop. :lol:

Hmmm...my first inclination is to say to keep using that saddle! Every horse I rode for others that were on the forehand reallty resisted having to work off their own rumps instead of off my arms/back. Did you feel anything different within yourself?

Anyway, I prefer to have the traction of the Bares up front if possible. I'll work on getting him comfortable enough to trot on gravel again. It doesn't help that it has been so wet we've got to stick to gravel trails if we don't want to ruin the footing for everybody. His feet grow so fast that the damage should grow out in a few months.

It's worth talking to EasyCare personally, I am giving you guys what I *think* is correct information...in any case, they did have a custom boot set up that allowed things like the bare bottoms (traction side) on the easy-up clip epic, and vice versa. I don't know if that is still available. Please don't take *my* word on boots, y'all know more about them than I do. I'm going by what I was told here and at the EasyCare site way-back-when. Since Bo has "spare tires" now in the form of plain ole Epics with easy-up clips, I haven't been to the site since.

Oh! I owe you an email...:D

[Bogie]

I use Easy Boot bares behind on my hunt horse.

They do stretch out and get easier to put on!

I find the traction on them to be fine. I jump in them (nothing bigger than 2'6") and my horse has been fine.

Bares are by far my favorite hoof boot -- they really fit my horse's hoof.

[matryoshka]

When the Epics I have on the back wear out, I plan to get Bares for the hinds as well. I can't switch up because I have to seriously modify boots to fit his wide front feet. I've got to cobble together two different sizes to accomodate his width without having him step on the back of the boot too badly. I much prefer the Bare treads (so far). I've tried Old Macs, Boas, Epics, and Bares so far. The Bares provide the best traction for my particular horse (think very bouncy, high action, doesn't always look where his is putting his feet, and his favorite gait is the gallop).

Appass, thanks again. I've got a lesson today and will see what she thinks of the smaller (but wider) saddle. I like not having to struggle to keep my feet under me (stirrups are a bit too far forward on the endurance model), but when he's bucking, it is nice to have some extra room in the seat. I have GOT to remove the horn on the western model. That thing is gonna kill me! I got a chance to sit on a variety of treeless saddles yesterday. Found a Ghost that would work for Butch's high withers, but the seat doesn't offer enough support for my bad hip. Bummer. I miss the feel I could get with a close-contact or treeless saddle, but I need the western back and wider twist to support my hip and upper thigh bone. Else, leg goes numb and floppy, which would be bad on a horse that bucks. :no:

[Auventera Two]

Have you tried the western syled treeless saddles?

[matryoshka]

I don't want to hijack the thread (even though I already have). I'm between a rock and a hard place with Butch. It is very hard to find a treeless that works for his high withers and prominent backbone. If I work him properly, the backbone issue will get better. But, there is still the issue with wither clearance. And, one I find the saddle that works for him, it has to work for me, too. Most western saddles, treed or not, do not have sufficient wither clearance without some creative padding. The Arabian-tree western saddle I'm using is pretty good for him right now (had it checked today at my lesson). We worked on rounding up (I needed help figuring that out for this particular horse) and getting him to work from his hindquarters. Now we need to translate it to the trail. As long as I have a saddle that works for him and me, I'm not gonna look for another saddle.

He worked beautifully barefoot in the sand arena today. As the foot grows down, I'm prett sure he's had a degree or so of rotation. I'm going to get pads and ride him in pads until the post-laminitis hoof grows down to the ground. Thanks for bringing that to my attention Appass!!