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Larksmom
Jan. 29, 2008, 11:31 AM
Way back in the way back, I went to the Kentucky Korse Park, after reading in HorsePlay, about something wonderful going on in this brand new park dedicated to horses. I knew nothing about eventing, and at the actual event didn't even know enough to walk the entire cross-country course. I was amazed and thrilled with the event, and began reading up on it after. For some reason, [poverty most likely,] I didn't start a subscription to COTH till '82. I never have heard the name Might Tango since 1978. Can someone tell me what ever happened to him? He was young. So was Gold Chip. I think she went on to compete again.
Thanks

Everythingbutwings
Jan. 29, 2008, 11:43 AM
Died in 1995.
Might Tango lived to the age of twenty-four, and is now buried at Davidson's Chesterland Farm in Unionville, PA.

BigRuss1996
Jan. 29, 2008, 12:06 PM
" Ducky" fox hunted with Bruces wife for years and then was retired in the field. He was a really cool horse.

snoopy
Jan. 29, 2008, 02:35 PM
He was certainly easy on the eyes, but I remember him being a bit tricky to handle.

Larksmom
Jan. 29, 2008, 02:40 PM
thanks guys

retreadeventer
Jan. 29, 2008, 10:30 PM
You know... this year is the 50th anniversary of the USEA...this thread's title got me thinking. I would definitely put

Might Tango, Irish Cap, Beacon Charm, JJ Babu, Three Magic Beans, Poltroon, Good Mixture, Winsome Adante,

on the All Time Great 50 American Event Horses in the last 50 years.
Add to the list!

Carol Ames
Jan. 29, 2008, 10:57 PM
Might Tango, Irish Cap, Beacon Charm, JJ Babu, Three Magic Beans,




and Bally, and better and Better?Poltroon, Good Mixture, Winsome Adante,

on the All Time Great 50 American Event Horses in the last 50 years.
Add to the list!
__________________
"Let the fence be the bit." -- Phillip Dutton

Carol Ames
Jan. 29, 2008, 10:59 PM
The grey goose; and flying dutchman:yes:

Mary in Area 1
Jan. 29, 2008, 11:15 PM
I was at Chesterland the day they put Might Tango down. We were in the barn and heard a shot. Carol Davidson told us that they had just put Dr. Peaches down. I was so shocked. Carol told us they were about to put Might Tango down, too, as Bruce was away. Stephie Baer and I went out in the field to say goodbye to him. I cried so hard I was sick. It was horrible.

Yes, he was old, but he was still walking around the field and looked pretty happy. I was surprised they would put him down, but they said he wouldn't survive another winter. Maybe not, but I just didn't get it.

He was a great horse, and I'm glad I was able to kiss him goodbye!

Lamma70
Jan. 29, 2008, 11:20 PM
Teddy!!! :)

BigRuss1996
Jan. 30, 2008, 07:03 AM
To add to the list:....I know there are more....

Might Tango
JJ Babu
3 Magic Beans
Better and Better
Irish Cap
Bally Cor
Plain Sailing
Flying Dutchman
The Grey Goose
Ben Arthur
Kilkenny
Blue Stone
Poltroon
Biko
Dr Peaches
Beacon Charm
Good Mixture
Windsome Adante
Custom Made
Eagle Lion
Pirate Lion

snoopy
Jan. 30, 2008, 07:07 AM
Russ, you sumed up my era for sure. There were some real stars there and horses that stayed in the game for a long time, with the long format, and with out all the magic potions of today. An era of real horsemanship/care. God I miss those days.

BigRuss1996
Jan. 30, 2008, 07:15 AM
Russ, you sumed up my era for sure. There were some real stars there and horses that stayed in the game for a long time, with the long format, and with out all the magic potions of today. An era of real horsemanship/care. God I miss those days.

I think we all do.... especially those of us lucky enough to have been in the sport then and who got to see them first hand. It definately isn't what it used to be ; ) ..... Alot of people today say those old timers couldn't have competed with todays horses but I think most of todays horses couldn't have gotten around the courses those guys did. The riders then were also definately of a different caliber.

snoopy
Jan. 30, 2008, 07:23 AM
I think we all do.... especially those of us lucky enough to have been in the sport then and who got to see them first hand. It definately isn't what it used to be ; ) ..... Alot of people today say those old timers couldn't have competed with todays horses but I think most of todays horses couldn't have gotten around the courses those guys did. The riders then were also definately of a different caliber.


I owe you a bottle of your choice...could not agree more.

ideayoda
Jan. 30, 2008, 08:59 AM
Grasshopper!!!!

Teatime
Jan. 30, 2008, 09:52 AM
"We were in the barn and heard a shot."

Oh my god, that is nauseating.

eqsiu
Jan. 30, 2008, 10:00 AM
"We were in the barn and heard a shot."

Oh my god, that is nauseating.

No more nauseating than seeing a horse dosed with barbituates fall over.

adamsmom
Jan. 30, 2008, 10:49 AM
Uummm......Molokai anyone?


To add to the list:....I know there are more....

Might Tango
JJ Babu
3 Magic Beans
Better and Better
Irish Cap
Bally Cor
Plain Sailing
Flying Dutchman
The Grey Goose
Ben Arthur
Kilkenny
Blue Stone
Poltroon
Biko
Dr Peaches
Beacon Charm
Good Mixture
Windsome Adante
Custom Made
Eagle Lion
Pirate Lion

BigRuss1996
Jan. 30, 2008, 11:05 AM
See I knew I would forget some!!...LOL ....early morning with no coffee wasn't the time to compile a list...ha ha ha...

Anyone else?? ....



Uummm......Molokai anyone?

InVA
Jan. 30, 2008, 11:24 AM
Hopper

True Blue Girdwood

Ask Away

Charisma

Jeepster

snoopy
Jan. 30, 2008, 12:00 PM
The Saint
Silent Partner
Cobblestone
Victor Dakin

ctanner
Jan. 30, 2008, 03:00 PM
Snoopy,your memory is ironclad:yes:

snoopy
Jan. 30, 2008, 03:01 PM
Snoopy,your memory is ironclad:yes:


Well WE were there weren't we!!! You and I should write a book.

LAZ
Jan. 30, 2008, 03:05 PM
If we're including non-US horses:

Murphy Himself
Priceless
Regal Realm



I don't have much to add to the US list except:

Wilton Fair

ravenclaw
Jan. 30, 2008, 03:09 PM
Poggio

He has been around for a long time and it's so much fun to watch him jump.

TexasTB
Jan. 30, 2008, 07:34 PM
Jam
Biko
Prince Panache

scavenger
Jan. 30, 2008, 08:11 PM
Marcus Aurelius
Carawich
Plain Sailing

retreadeventer
Jan. 30, 2008, 08:46 PM
In Va, I think we are looking for American horses in honor of the USEA being 50 years old. What's the total up to?
Did we add Gold Chip?
Gina Miles' big horse?
Any more from the west?
Sassy Reason
From
Dobbin
Mr. Maxwell
Castlewellan
Carawich
Yes I think Theodore O'Connor is or should be on the list
Also the connemara - Erin Go Bragh - certainly a significant American event horse
Victor Dakin
Core Buff?
El Primero?

pwynnnorman
Jan. 31, 2008, 07:13 AM
Definitely, definitely Poggio. I am having such a treat being able to watch him train down here. What a remarkable Thoroughbred. And what a record he has, too!

AM
Jan. 31, 2008, 08:48 AM
Giltedge - a true team horse

Teatime
Jan. 31, 2008, 10:09 AM
Blue Stone

snoopy
Jan. 31, 2008, 10:49 AM
Blue Stone


YUMMY!!! I have never seen a horse so beautiful...ever.

CiegoStar
Jan. 31, 2008, 11:06 AM
Can we count the Foreman now? :cool:

ctanner
Jan. 31, 2008, 02:18 PM
Blue Stone,what a charmer.I really loved that horse.

snoopy
Jan. 31, 2008, 02:20 PM
you would...since you were lucky enough to park your bottom on him.

flutie1
Jan. 31, 2008, 02:26 PM
Carawich!!!

snoopy
Jan. 31, 2008, 02:37 PM
Carawich!!!


Boy was he a hunk!

Teatime
Jan. 31, 2008, 03:27 PM
YUMMY!!! I have never seen a horse so beautiful...ever.

Yummy indeed! Back when the earth was flat, in the 80s, a friend was having an art show. She had done a portrait of Blue Stone and used that portrait as the picture on the announcement postcard. I found it not too long ago and it sparked memories of what a lovely horse was was.

snoopy
Jan. 31, 2008, 03:29 PM
Yummy indeed! Back when the earth was flat, in the 80s, a friend was having an art show. She had done a portrait of Blue Stone and used that portrait as the picture on the announcement postcard. I found it not too long ago and it sparked memories of what a lovely horse was was.


And when EVERYTHING was happening outside your door in hamilton.

Teatime
Jan. 31, 2008, 03:33 PM
And when EVERYTHING was happening outside your door in hamilton.

You're absolutely right. Those were the days!! I sure do miss them.

ctanner
Jan. 31, 2008, 06:11 PM
Teatime,I would love to see that card.Can you scan it?

sprite
Jan. 31, 2008, 06:14 PM
Easter Parade

retreadeventer
Jan. 31, 2008, 06:59 PM
Cards...I'm getting ideas....how about sports cards of each of the top 50 horses in eventing? let's get a sponsor to pay for the printing....and put their ad on the back....and give them out at the annual meeting! Now we need the one best photo of each horse.....gauggh....sometimes I wonder how I come up with this stuff....what do you think?
And can someone with a better brain than I do a total so far....and list? post it here? THANKS....do we have 50 yet?

snoopy
Jan. 31, 2008, 07:51 PM
Red's Door
Foxy
Cavalistic

I believe all to be memebers of the 1978 world championships in Kentucky....any horse to have gone through that deserves to be on the list.

Red's Door started it all of for Torrance
Foxy was a part morgan with an 18 year old rider Desiree (cannot remember her last name, denny would know)
Cavalistic was Mary Hazzard's horse.

Boy am I dating myself.:eek:

BigRuss1996
Jan. 31, 2008, 07:58 PM
Maybe it should just be the greats from the old format ???




Here is the list so far...... now we are at 50!

Might Tango
JJ Babu
Irish Cap
Beacon Charm
Dr. Peaches
Pirate Lion
Eagle Lion
Better and Better
Bally Cor
Plain Sailing
Flying Dutchman
The Grey Goose
Ben Arthur
Kilkenny
Blue Stone
Poltroon
Biko
Good Mixture
Windsome Adante
Custom Made
3 Magic Beans
Molokai
The Foreman
Hopper
Ask Away
Charisma
Jeepster
The Saint
Silent Partner
Cobblestone
Victor Dakin
Wilton Fair
Worth The Trust
Giltedge
Poggio II
Prince Panache
Marcus Aurelius
Carawich
Sassy Reason
Mr Maxwell
Castlewellan
Erin Go Bragh
Core Buff
Red's Door
Cavalistic
Jacob Two Two
Freeway
Sergeant Gilbert
Finvara
Nirvana II

snoopy
Jan. 31, 2008, 08:05 PM
For those of you who were not lucky/old enough to have known them.....

There are some AMAZING horses here. Truly...I have a heavy heart just reading this list.

CookiePony
Jan. 31, 2008, 08:14 PM
Jacob Two Two

lizathenag
Jan. 31, 2008, 08:50 PM
Jenny Camp

BigRuss1996
Jan. 31, 2008, 09:35 PM
Good one... I forgot him.... will add him above..now at 55


Jacob Two Two

BigRuss1996
Jan. 31, 2008, 09:42 PM
I agree Snoopy.... there are some of the best of the best on there.... and so many memories. I remember when The Grey Goose retired at Rolex...I never cried so hard in my life, and when better and better retired at Chesterland 3 day I don't think there was a dry eye in the place. So many wonderful, intelligent, truely brave souls.....




For those of you who were not lucky/old enough to have known them.....

There are some AMAZING horses here. Truly...I have a heavy heart just reading this list.

adamsmom
Jan. 31, 2008, 09:58 PM
Easter Parade

Such a great horse. So underrated.

adamsmom
Jan. 31, 2008, 10:09 PM
How 'bout some of Ralph's horses?

Freeway
Sergeant Gilbert
Johnathan Morgan

Maybe not always the best in dressage, but pretty darn good in their day.

BigRuss1996
Jan. 31, 2008, 10:52 PM
and Bad Boy Billy

Now we have 60!....I am adding them above...

CiegoStar
Jan. 31, 2008, 10:59 PM
Upstage and Antigua!

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 06:50 AM
Thanks!.....now we have 62! How do we narrow it down to 50 ??


Upstage and Antigua!

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:28 AM
How 'bout some of Ralph's horses?

Freeway
Sergeant Gilbert
Johnathan Morgan

Maybe not always the best in dressage, but pretty darn good in their day.




Yes Sergent Gilbert!!!!! Forgot. He did so well in 1978, I think he finished
5th individually in dreadful conditions. So yes I am all for him on the list!!!!!

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:31 AM
Thanks!.....now we have 62! How do we narrow it down to 50 ??


What about a cut off date....The fact is that the US has been fortunate enough to have some great horses. Could we narrow to those no longer competing and deserve some press and rememberance.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:48 AM
I was thinking maybe just the greats from the "old format" as they are the true war horses of eventing and the majority of the last 50 years. It just doesn't seem right to lump them in with the horses of today.... There really is no comparison....JMO




What about a cut of date....The fact is that the US has been fortunate enough to have some great horses. Could we narrow to those no longer competing and deserve some press and rememberance.

AM
Feb. 1, 2008, 08:21 AM
If you are sticking with American horses, I don't think True Blue Girdwood belongs. I believe he came from Australia with Phillip.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 10:58 AM
true



If you are sticking with American horses, I don't think True Blue Girdwood belongs. I believe he came from Australia with Phillip.

Brandy76
Feb. 1, 2008, 11:17 AM
Finvarra

grayarabpony
Feb. 1, 2008, 11:40 AM
Why isn't Nirvana II on this list?!?!?

scavenger
Feb. 1, 2008, 12:21 PM
Agree with Big Russ to narrow it at this time to the greats of the "REAL" 3 day format the others could be done another time. Also agree with the addition of Finvarra and Seargeant Gilbert. His erformance in 1978 was truly amazing (Iwas a volunteer in the vet box there).

Go Time
Feb. 1, 2008, 01:01 PM
Out and About

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 01:02 PM
Sandscript

Poor Griffin gave EVERYTHING he had in Barcelona, did not finish the course because of exhaustion, and had a TOUGH night of it afterwards. His heart alone makes him worthy.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 01:11 PM
OKay....added them now back up to 51!...so who do we drop to be at 50?....it is suppose to be 50...

Blugal
Feb. 1, 2008, 01:19 PM
Are these supposed to be American horses only? Charisma & Jeepster aren't...

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 01:27 PM
I knew Jeepster was not but I seem to recall Kim Morani having a horse named Charisma so I thought it might be that one. But like you I assumed it was Mark Todd's little guy.

Drvmb1ggl3
Feb. 1, 2008, 01:48 PM
Grasshopper
Heyday

shea'smom
Feb. 1, 2008, 02:06 PM
Glad to see Out and About added. I was racking my brain for his name and couldn't come up with it. He was fantastic! Such a jumper.

Drvmb1ggl3
Feb. 1, 2008, 02:19 PM
Anyone care to fill in the blanks and/or correct the breeding and origin of these horses?

Might Tango ****** TB - USA
JJ Babu ****** TB - USA
Irish Cap ****** -
Beacon Charm ****** -
Dr. Peaches ****** TB - USA
Pirate Lion ****** ISH - IRE
Eagle Lion ****** ISH - IRE
Better & Better ****** -
Bally Cor ****** TB - USA
Plain Sailing ****** ISH - IRE
Flying Dutchman ****** -
The Grey Goose ****** ISH - IRE
Ben Arthur ****** -
Kilkenny ****** ISH - IRE
Blue Stone ****** -
Poltroon ****** Pinto - USA
Biko ****** ISH - IRE
Good Mixture ****** -
Windsome Adante ****** BSH - GB
Custom Made ****** ISH - ISH
3 Magic Beans ****** -
Molokai ****** TB - USA
Hopper ****** -
Ask Away ****** -
Charisma ****** -
Jeepster ****** -
The Saint ****** -
Silent Partner ****** -
Cobblestone ****** -
Victor Dakin ****** -
Wilton Fair ****** -
Worth The Trust ****** -
Giltedge ****** ISH - IRE
Poggio II ****** TB - USA
Prince Panache ****** ISH - IRE
Marcus Aurelius ****** Conn/TB - USA
Carawich ****** -
Sassy Reason ****** TB - USA
Mr Maxwell ****** -
Castlewellan ****** ISH - IRE
Erin Go Bragh ****** Conn/TB - USA
Core Buff ****** -
Red's Door ****** -
Cavalistic ****** -
Jacob Two Two ****** -
Freeway ****** -
Sergeant Gilbert ****** -
Finvara ****** TB - USA
Nirvana II ****** -
Sandscript ****** -
Out and About ****** -
Grasshopper ****** Conn/TB - IRE
Heyday ****** TB - USA

BarBee4
Feb. 1, 2008, 02:34 PM
Ben Arthur- whatever happened to him? He was one of my favorites.

Go Time
Feb. 1, 2008, 02:44 PM
The Optimist

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 02:44 PM
Ben Arthur- whatever happened to him? He was one of my favorites.


He went to live with a student of Karen's. She said it did not work out and did not go into details about the situation. I remember him when he was imported and she and Mike took him to Stonliegh Burnham (they were competing some babies) and this nut case came off the trailer, it took both of them to lead him with two lead chains, in... out... over, the works!!! I said to her, what the "blank" did you buy???!!! Two years later she had a team gold and individual silver hanging around her neck. Very nearly double gold actually. I worship the ground she walks on.

tx3dayeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 03:54 PM
What about Easter Parade. WEG The Hauge.

scavenger
Feb. 1, 2008, 04:12 PM
What happened to Jenny Camp? Our first best 3 day horse. I don't remember Ask Away. I would say probably Jenny Camp and Easter Parade overAsk Away,Free Way and Sanscript in terms of long term high caliber peformance. Now I will probabley be shot be their proponents LOL! Just my 2 cents.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 05:38 PM
She was on MY origional list?!..... not sure....


What happened to Jenny Camp? Our first best 3 day horse. I don't remember Ask Away. I would say probably Jenny Camp and Easter Parade overAsk Away,Free Way and Sanscript in terms of long term high caliber peformance. Now I will probabley be shot be their proponents LOL! Just my 2 cents.

scavenger
Feb. 1, 2008, 05:57 PM
Marcus Aurelius was bred and purchased in England. I believe Cavalistic, Red's Door and Sargeant Gilbert were american tbs.

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 06:00 PM
Marcus Aurelius was bred and purchased in England. I believe Cavalistic, Red's Door and Sargeant Gilbert were american tbs.

Not sure about red's door. He had the most mazing colour didn't he. I think it is time to put in a call to Torrance.

Lamma70
Feb. 1, 2008, 06:14 PM
What about Mike Huber's mounts Quartermaster and Gold Chip?

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 06:36 PM
There are now 55...


Jenny Camp ****** US cavalry remount bred by TB sire - USA
Might Tango ****** TB - USA
JJ Babu ****** TB - USA
Irish Cap ****** ISH - IRE
Beacon Charm ****** TB - USA
Dr. Peaches ****** TB - USA
Pirate Lion ****** ISH - IRE
Eagle Lion ****** ISH - IRE
Better & Better ****** TB
Bally Cor ****** TB - USA
Plain Sailing ****** ISH - IRE
Flying Dutchman ****** -
The Grey Goose ****** ISH - IRE
Ben Arthur ****** - Eng TB
Kilkenny ****** ISH - IRE
Blue Stone ****** -
Poltroon ****** Pinto - USA
Biko ****** ISH - IRE
Good Mixture ****** - TB - USA
Windsome Adante ****** BSH - GB
Custom Made ****** ISH - ISH
3 Magic Beans ****** TB - USA
Molokai ****** TB - USA
Hopper ****** - Eng TB
Ask Away ****** -
The Saint ****** -
Silent Partner ****** -
Cobblestone ****** -
Victor Dakin ****** Morgan/TB
Wilton Fair ****** ISH
Worth The Trust ****** -
Giltedge ****** ISH - IRE
Poggio II ****** TB - USA
Prince Panache ****** ISH - IRE
Marcus Aurelius ****** Conn/TB - ENG
Carawich ****** - Eng TB
Sassy Reason ****** TB - USA
Mr Maxwell ****** -
Castlewellan ****** ISH - IRE
Erin Go Bragh ****** Conn/TB - USA
Core Buff ****** - TB
Red's Door ****** - TB USA
Cavalistic ****** - TB USA
Jacob Two Two ****** - TB
Freeway ****** TB
Sergeant Gilbert ****** - TB USA
Finvara ****** TB - USA
Nirvana II ****** TB - USA
Sandscript ****** - TB
Out and About ****** TB
Grasshopper ****** Conn/TB - IRE
Heyday ****** TB - USA
Easter Parade ****** TB
Quartermaster ******
Gold Chip ****** TB - USA

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by BigRuss1996 : Feb. 1, 2008 at 11:35 PM.

Drvmb1ggl3
Feb. 1, 2008, 06:48 PM
Jenny Camp was US Cavalry remount bred, by a TB sire, as was common in the remount program.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 06:54 PM
Awesome thanks...I will put it in!!!



Jenny Camp was US Cavalry remount bred, by a TB sire, as was common in the remount program.

Go Time
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:03 PM
Surely, Red's Door was at least part Appy ????
Pretty sure 3 Magic Beans was a TB not ISH.
Also, Wilton Fair is listed as a TB(IRE) on an old USEF archive I found. He was a big beast though, so possibly ISH.

I think Hopper is/was a TB.

retreadeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:04 PM
Well we could stick with the last 50 years since 1958. I think that the older horses of eventing have been honored over the years.

I think that being an American horse would mean owned, or ridden by an American for America. Not necessarily American breeding or American bred.

retreadeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:13 PM
Gold Chip, Reds Door, Good Mixture - pure TB off the track.
Core Buff was all thoroughbred to my knowledge.
Ben Arther was an English TB.
Carawich was English Tb. sport horse breeding tho.

retreadeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:14 PM
Where's Denny when you need him? He would know the others maybe. Somebody PM him.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:35 PM
Wilton Fair was ISH...I am almost 100% sure


Surely, Red's Door was at least part Appy ????
Pretty sure 3 Magic Beans was a TB not ISH.
Also, Wilton Fair is listed as a TB(IRE) on an old USEF archive I found. He was a big beast though, so possibly ISH.

I think Hopper is/was a TB.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:37 PM
So who does that eliminate??




Well we could stick with the last 50 years since 1958. I think that the older horses of eventing have been honored over the years.

I think that being an American horse would mean owned, or ridden by an American for America. Not necessarily American breeding or American bred.

scavenger
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:44 PM
I think the Flying Dutchman was a dutch warmblood cross but not positive.I vauely remember hearing that some where

retreadeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:48 PM
Alright we need one of those Olympic and World championship almanacs. Does anyone have a copy of the USET book -- there's a list in the back of that. It might eliminate Jenny Camp and Grasshopper, they may be prior to 58.
I am going to see if I can find some more info. It's a great list. I don't think we have to eliminate horses.

snoopy
Feb. 1, 2008, 07:54 PM
[QUOTE=retreadeventer;2980202]Gold Chip, Reds Door, Good Mixture - pure TB off the track.
QUOTE]


I have never seen a pure TB with the colouring of Red. He was Mr. Consistant...not an "individual horse" but a great solid "team horse".

AM
Feb. 1, 2008, 08:19 PM
I have the program from the 1978 World 3-Day Event Championships in front of me. According to that program "Red's Door, grey gelding, 16.3h.h., 12 years, Thoroughbred, s. Swinging Door, d. Miss Tribal"

LAZ
Feb. 1, 2008, 08:29 PM
Jenny Camp was in the 1936 Olympics.

Grasshopper was in the 1960 Olympics.

Larksmom
Feb. 1, 2008, 08:32 PM
He was a stunner. I think he was originally a rental from Ireland, and no one but Kim could ride him. He would jump a mountain. I got to see him in 82 and 86. What a jumper!!!

retreadeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 10:18 PM
I gleaned this list from Wikipedia. I don't see any on here we are missing except perhaps Anderoo, Windfall and Carrick.

Micheal Page on The Grasshopper was 4th individually in the 1960 Olympic eventing; Kevin Freeman on Gallopade was 12 and Mike Plumb was 15th on Bold Minstrel. Lana DuPont Wright was 33rd on Mr. Wister. The team won silver.

In 1968 Michael Page and Foster won bronze in eventing individually. The team won silver. Michael Page and Foster
James C. Wofford and Kilkenny
John Plumb and Plain Sailing
In 1972 team silver again Kevin Freeman and Good Mixture
Bruce Davidson and Plain Sailing
John Plumb and Free and Easy
James C. Wofford and Kilkenny

1976 - gold in eventing, indiv. gold for Tad and Bally cor, silver for Mike Plumb
Edmund Coffin and Bally-Cor
Michael Plumb and Better & Better
Bruce Davidson and Irish-Cap
Mary Anne Tauskey and Marcus Aurelius

80 was boycotted
84: Silver eventing invid. for Karen Stives and Ben Arthur; gold team for Michael Plumb and Blue Stone
Karen Stives and Ben Arthur
Torrance Fleischmann and Finvarra
Bruce Davidson and JJ Babu
88: no medal
96: bronze indiv. Kerry Millikin and Out and About, United States, silver team: Karen O'Connor and Biko
David O'Connor and Giltedge
Bruce Davidson and Heyday
Jill Henneberg and Nirvana

2000: Custom Made, David O connor Gold and team bronze, Nina Fout / 3 Magic Beans
Karen O'Connor / Prince Panache
David O'Connor / Giltedge
Linden Wiesman / Anderoo

2004 - silver, Kimberly Severson on Winsome Adante
Bronze team Kimberly Severson on Winsome Adante
Darren Chiacchia on Windfall 2
John Williams on Carrick
Amy Tryon on Poggio II
Julie Richards on Jacob Two Two

Torrance told me Red's Door was indeed Thoroughbred. I remember her saying something about when he got warmer the spots showed more.

retreadeventer
Feb. 1, 2008, 10:20 PM
oh and it's "The" Grasshopper. And all I found at Wikipedia was the Olympic team stuff, the Pan Am stuff I am still looking for. Those of you with old Rolex or Chesterland programs do you have winners listed? Are there any winners we don't have here?

TKR
Feb. 2, 2008, 09:25 AM
Wasn't there a horse named "Lazer" that did very well back when?

PennyG

CookiePony
Feb. 2, 2008, 09:30 AM
Here is the list of past Rolex winners:
http://www.rk3de.org/previous_winners.htm

irisheyes
Feb. 2, 2008, 09:52 AM
Easter Parade was an English TB. And Erin Go Bragh is a purebred Connemara (no TB).

Mtn trails
Feb. 2, 2008, 11:30 AM
Not to go off topic, but looking at the list of past winners of Rolex, I see that Grant Schneidman won the Gladstone Trophy in 1979 and Rolex in 1981. Whatever happened to him? I took some lessons with him when he was instructing at the former Potomac Horse Center where I was a student.

Love the list. JJ Babu was always a favorite of mine. :)

snoopy
Feb. 2, 2008, 12:24 PM
Not to go off topic, but looking at the list of past winners of Rolex, I see that Grant Schneidman won the Gladstone Trophy in 1979 and Rolex in 1981. Whatever happened to him? I took some lessons with him when he was instructing at the former Potomac Horse Center where I was a student.

Love the list. JJ Babu was always a favorite of mine. :)



He has very bad knees now and concentrates on dressage.

tuppysmom
Feb. 2, 2008, 04:16 PM
I am so thankful that we were able to run the long format at the very last LF Rolex. It was a stretch to get it done, but soo worth it. THE lifetime goal for my DD.

Larksmom
Feb. 2, 2008, 04:19 PM
In one of the biggies, WC or Olympics on a mare, who was second? It was the late 80s' or early 90s. I cannot think of the horses' name but she was very good. I do not remember hearing about her [horse] again. I still have the programs from WC in 82 and 86. I think BD was spun in 86 at first vet, so he did not get to compete. I also do not think any of the US horses went on much after that competition.

LAZ
Feb. 2, 2008, 08:10 PM
To fill in the Olympic List:

1988 Seoul

Phyllis Dawson Albany 10th
Bruce Davidson Dr. Peaches 18th
Ann Sutton Tarzan Retired
Karen Lende The Optimist Elim

Team: Eliminated

Pan Am
1959 John E.B. Wofford Cassavellanus--33rd
1966 Kevin Freeman M'Lord Conolly 9th
everyone else retired or eliminated
1967 Mason Phelps Gladstone 15th
1970 James Wofford Kilkenny 3rd
Mason Phelps Rowen elim
1974 Bruce Davidson/Irish Cap 1st

LAZ
Feb. 2, 2008, 08:15 PM
To fill in the Olympic List:

1988 Seoul

Phyllis Dawson Albany 10th
Bruce Davidson Dr. Peaches 18th
Ann Sutton Tarzan Retired
Karen Lende The Optimist Elim

Team: Eliminated

Pan Am
1959 John E.B. Wofford Cassavellanus--33rd
1966 Kevin Freeman M'Lord Conolly 9th
everyone else retired or eliminated
1967 Mason Phelps Gladstone 15th
1970 James Wofford Kilkenny 3rd
Mason Phelps Rowen elim
1974 Bruce Davidson/Irish Cap 1st
Micheal Plum/Good Mixture 2nd
Beth Perkins/Furtive 6th
Edward Emerson/Victor Dakin 14th
Donald Sachey/Plain Sailing 21st
Caroline Treviranus/Cajun Ret
Team: Gold

1978 I think someone else already posted this one

1982 Luhmuhlen
Kim Walnes/The Gray Goose
Peter Green/Branch Water
Bruce Davidson/J J Babu 13th
Nancy Bliss/Cobblestone 17th
Torrance Watkins/Southern Comfort 21st
Karen Stives/The Saint 25th
Michael Plumb/Blue Stone 31st
Team: Bronze

1986 Gawler
Michael Plumb/Blue Stone 8th
Karen Lende/Lutin V 18th
Karen Stives/Flying Colors Elim
Torrance Watkins/Finvarra Ret
Kim Walnes/The Gray Goose Ret
Derek Di Grazia/Sasquatch Ret
Team: Elim

Mtn trails
Feb. 2, 2008, 10:13 PM
Thanks Snoopy!

Robby Johnson
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:04 PM
I was at Chesterland the day they put Might Tango down. We were in the barn and heard a shot. Carol Davidson told us that they had just put Dr. Peaches down. I was so shocked. Carol told us they were about to put Might Tango down, too, as Bruce was away. Stephie Baer and I went out in the field to say goodbye to him. I cried so hard I was sick. It was horrible.

Yes, he was old, but he was still walking around the field and looked pretty happy. I was surprised they would put him down, but they said he wouldn't survive another winter. Maybe not, but I just didn't get it.

He was a great horse, and I'm glad I was able to kiss him goodbye!

Are you saying they shot him with a gun?

Robby Johnson
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:10 PM
What about Easter Parade. WEG Barcelona.

WEG, The Hague, 1994

retreadeventer
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:13 PM
I actually rode Lazer once. He was a good horse but not a great one however took many a jump. Mike Plumb, Torrance and several others rode him. I think Packy McGaughan was his original rider. Not sure.

snoopy
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:19 PM
I actually rode Lazer once. He was a good horse but not a great one however took many a jump. Mike Plumb, Torrance and several others rode him. I think Packy McGaughan was his original rider. Not sure.

Yes he seemed to have many riders. Pretty horse but not one with huge talent.

BigRuss1996
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:27 PM
Okay... I have sat by and been very quiet about this for as long as I can... lets not make a federal case about it...YES... he was shot with a gun... by the huntsman from across the road who worked for his wifes mothers hunt ( he was a professional and did this as part of his job). That is how all of their horses were detroyed back then. The boys were all buried down by the pond in "the graveyard of champions" just above the pond. He was old and he had very bad artheritis and was a big horse and lost alot of weight in the winters once the grass went away no matter how much hay he ate. They both had alot of wear and tear and neither were easy keepers to begin with. Both horses had nice retirements out in the field and when their time came they did the responsible thing and had them put down. They were loved and adored by everyone there....myself included. I am sorry that the person who felt it necessary to post the details had to be there that day..... I personally don't choose to carry those memories around with me indefinately. I remember him as a big goofy horse with a big head and big floppy lips who loved carrots and was an awesome foxhunter and loved every day of his life and was loved every day of it. Their children even rode him when he was very old and he was a saint. There is nothing wrong with a horse being put down with a gun by a professional. I personally choose to have mine euthanized by injection but I also feel it is a very personal choice just as cremation or burial is very personal.



Are you saying they shot him with a gun?

AppJumpr08
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:37 PM
BigRuss, Well said.

Robby Johnson
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:42 PM
Trust me BigRuss1996, I'm from Alabama. Euthanasia can be very subjective here.

Having held the halter of a 30+ year old horse with carcinoma in his penis - a wonderful horse that had been my neighbor's since he was probably 5 - for injection, I can just say that there is no easy way to do it. A correctly-placed shot, unfortunately very audible and stigmatic with human gun violence, is probably no worse than an injection, and a full sixty seconds of knee-buckling before they fall down.

I didn't mean for this to Robby: The Debbie Downer years.

snoopy
Feb. 3, 2008, 10:44 PM
Okay... I have sat by and been very quiet about this for as long as I can... lets not make a federal case about it...YES... he was shot with a gun... by the huntsman from across the road who worked for his wifes mothers hunt ( he was a professional and did this as part of his job). That is how all of their horses were detroyed back then. The boys were all buried down by the pond in "the graveyard of champions" just above the pond. He was old and he had very bad artheritis and was a big horse and lost alot of weight in the winters once the grass went away no matter how much hay he ate. They both had alot of wear and tear and neither were easy keepers to begin with. Both horses had nice retirements out in the field and when their time came they did the responsible thing and had them put down. They were loved and adored by everyone there....myself included. I am sorry that the person who felt it necessary to post the details had to be there that day..... I personally don't choose to carry those memories around with me indefinately. I remember him as a big goofy horse with a big head and big floppy lips who loved carrots and was an awesome foxhunter and loved every day of his life and was loved every day of it. Their children even rode him when he was very old and he was a saint. There is nothing wrong with a horse being put down with a gun by a professional. I personally choose to have mine euthanized by injection but I also feel it is a very personal choice just as cremation or burial is very personal.




Well the use of a gun is the way it is commonly done in the UK, and I actually prefer it to the injection. I have seen both. My choice though. Lets not turn a wonderful thread into something that could very quickly turn nasty.
Thanks for the update on Might Tango, and for sharing the life he led after leaving "public office"!!!

ctanner
Feb. 4, 2008, 09:53 AM
Grant is in Colorado.

Snoopy,where's Packy?

Larksmom
Feb. 4, 2008, 11:29 AM
Was curisosity- In the 80, I was able to see several big events, and at some of those, I have never again heard of anything related to the horses again. As I said, the very first event I ever saw was Kentucky '78. I never again heard the name Might Tango, so I didn't know if he ever competed again. Since then, say WC 86, except for Finvarra, I do not think I ever heard of any of the US horses again. I think Karen Stives rode a [mare?] Flying Colors? What became of BlueStone? Several of you guys have mentioned what a beauty he was. I actually did get a video, and had a local change the format so I could watch it. I do remember one of the US had a terrible fall at the footbridge but i cannot remember who. I very much appriciate all the remembrances of all who have contributed to this thread, as eventing was once the passion of my life. It still is but in a much diminished role I'm afraid.
Thanks again.

jumpxc
Feb. 4, 2008, 11:47 AM
Isn't Packy here in Maryland/DC area and practicing Law and still giving lessons on the side?
Amy

snoopy
Feb. 4, 2008, 12:53 PM
[QUOTE=ctanner;2984365

Snoopy,where's Packy?[/QUOTE]


Sorry Tanner, I have absolutely no idea.:(

edited to add:
Amy is correct....
Now a lawyer and living in Clarksburg Maryland....

tx3dayeventer
Feb. 4, 2008, 01:44 PM
WEG, The Hague, 1994

opps thanks! I have my retard moments. I only looked at that framed The Hague flag for 4 years that Jim somehow "came home with". DUH!!!

retreadeventer
Feb. 4, 2008, 08:55 PM
I'm afraid, Larksmom, this was a classic thread hijack...but I am so very interested in the history of the sport, your question intrigued me. I also choose to remember the greatness of the horses rather than the end. How one feels is sometimes less important than what is right to do. But I do appreciate your bringing up the thread about Might Tango as he was an awesome event horse, a rags to riches story and I love those. BR and I have sort of run with your ball so to speak. The event horses of the past just fascinate me with their magnificence.

snoopy
Feb. 4, 2008, 09:15 PM
I'm afraid, Larksmom, this was a classic thread hijack...but I am so very interested in the history of the sport, your question intrigued me. I also choose to remember the greatness of the horses rather than the end. How one feels is sometimes less important than what is right to do. But I do appreciate your bringing up the thread about Might Tango as he was an awesome event horse, a rags to riches story and I love those. BR and I have sort of run with your ball so to speak. The event horses of the past just fascinate me with their magnificence.

Larksmom;
Yes sorry to hijack, but your OP/question brought back memories of some super horses, including Might Tango. Every once in a while it is great to have the opportunity to remember some truly amazing companions and what they gave to the sport. So I would like to thank you for this thread, even though it evolved into something bigger than you had planned.:D

eks
Feb. 4, 2008, 09:38 PM
How about Kerry Millikin and "The Pirate?"

TexasTB
Feb. 4, 2008, 11:45 PM
I do remember one of the US had a terrible fall at the footbridge but i cannot remember who. I very much appriciate all the remembrances of all who have contributed to this thread, as eventing was once the passion of my life. It still is but in a much diminished role I'm afraid.
Thanks again.

Okay I definitely was not anywhere near being born during the time of the '78 championships, but in Bruce Davidson's biography which was written a short time after, he includes diagrams of each fence including which horses/ riders had trouble at each.

Quoted out of this book for the footbridge:
Eliminated: Belfast Road, Martha Anne Shires, Canada
Two Refusals: Laurenson, Mike Plumb, USA
One Refusal: Albrant, Herbert Blocker, West Germany
Polly Ladd, Kuranojo Saito, Japan

In this book (which i recently bought and read from cover to cover) the author doesn't describe the events after Lexington, only the world championship itself. Apparently Might Tango had to be put on a ventilator and put on an IV after XC due to exhaustion.

In Mark Todd's book (another Christmas present which I devoured) he briefly states that Might Tango was never seen at another major competition after that.


I hope that this has been some help!

PhoenixFarm
Feb. 5, 2008, 12:52 AM
West Coasters:

Derek Di Grazia and Sasquatch (App/TB) and Our Busby (TB, but can't remeber if he was foreign or domestic).

Jil Walton and Patrona (believe she was mentioned earlier) and homebred reject from their own race breeding program as I recall, that they tried to sell and nobody would buy--until she wasn't for sale any more. :winkgrin:

Sanscript was a lovely horse also.

Also have to put in my pitch for a horse I groomed for and whose Mom is my dear friend. Champagne Wishes. A scrappy, ugly, skinny, Mexican TB with a laundry list of psychological problems who also had the fastest time of the day at Rolex in 1994 (or was it 5?, god I'm old) in the pouring rain and muck, and also took his then 21 year old rider to the FEI global newcomer and FEI YR titles in the same year--the only time latter has been won by an American, and only the second time in history they've been won by the same person in the same year. He had an amazing life story, something you couldn't make up, and wasn't the easiest of horses, but galloping at a fence he was one of the most amazing horses I've ever known.

Foxtrot's
Feb. 5, 2008, 01:00 AM
Oh - Pirate - I was at the ditch and hedge jump at Kentucky '88
where Kerry broke her leg and dashed her chances of going to the Olympics in Seoul. Horrifying - but a tribute to the courage and the risks of the big eventing.

Larksmom
Feb. 5, 2008, 02:52 AM
in fact that was the last big competition I ever saw. I am looking right now at the pic as I have it framed on my desk. That's kinda sick I guess. But anyway, I don't mind the hijacked thread, I am seriously guilty of that elsewhere. The footbridge I meant was in 86 and I think it was Sasquatch. I think there was a bridge in 78 but the 'snake' fence was the one that caused all the problems. I have that book too, and it has been turned into my autograph book.
Since it is sort of my thread, how bout a little story about the WC in 86? I was walking around the grounds in the vicinity of HRH Prince Philip. I think he might have been head of FEI at the time-not sure. I was walking around probably looking at the ground when I nearly bumped into him. Of course, he had bodyguards who stepped between, and HRH said something like 'Pardon me'. Here I nearly walked on him! Quite embarrassing.

snoopy
Feb. 5, 2008, 07:31 AM
in fact that was the last big competition I ever saw. I am looking right now at the pic as I have it framed on my desk. That's kinda sick I guess. But anyway, I don't mind the hijacked thread, I am seriously guilty of that elsewhere. The footbridge I meant was in 86 and I think it was Sasquatch. I think there was a bridge in 78 but the 'snake' fence was the one that caused all the problems. I have that book too, and it has been turned into my autograph book.
Since it is sort of my thread, how bout a little story about the WC in 86? I was walking around the grounds in the vicinity of HRH Prince Philip. I think he might have been head of FEI at the time-not sure. I was walking around probably looking at the ground when I nearly bumped into him. Of course, he had bodyguards who stepped between, and HRH said something like 'Pardon me'. Here I nearly walked on him! Quite embarrassing.


Well I will have to dust off my memory of the 86 WC in gawler. Funny. I remember very little of that event....only snippits of good and bad. I am sure I will remember more once someone jars my memory. I do remember it was a long flight and Snoops was not a happy bunny for the first few days.

Snowhorse Farm
Feb. 6, 2008, 03:59 PM
Master Craftsman - went to Olympics as a 7 year old
and
Bounce!!!!!!!