Gold Silver and Bronze (Anky,Imke and Kyra) rides at Amsterdam (Freestyle to Music)

[freestyle2music]

Anky

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v3328101bYRjhgkg


Imke

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v3328098EfAmCARJ


Kyra


http://www.veoh.com/videos/v3328100t5CFK7RP

[canyonoak]

Wow, Imke has really gone to another level in her riding! Yes, sure, she biffed the 2nd pirouette, but everything is so much more secure,and the mare has never looked stronger, more through, more amazing.

And Imke herself really looks great!

[Eventer13]

Anyone know the music Anky used?

[canyonoak]

This is Anky's new kur, " Dance of Devotion", and you can google any of those words<g>
for more background. The pianist, Wibi Soerjadi, created the music for both this new kur and also for Imke Bartels-Schellekens/Sunrise.

[freestyle2music]

You can listen and/or download this musicproductions at the following link

http://www.soerjadi.com/fragmenten/Dance_of_Devotion_mp3_trimmed.mp3


or a Radio Remix at the following link :


http://www.soerjadi.com/fragmenten/Dance_of_Devotion-Olympic_Remix.mp3

Enjoy,


Theo

[DiscoMom]

This is a pet peeve of mine, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that their horses cannot halt at the beginning of the test (with the exception of Kyra whose horse did a very nice halt while she saluted)? I realize the horses are excited to be showing, but really by this level I think they should be able to perform a halt, especially Anky who started the test by walking in (I mean really, you can't go from a walk to a halt?). Sorry, just being picky I guess! :D

[freestyle2music]

This is a pet peeve of mine, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that their horses cannot halt at the beginning of the test (with the exception of Kyra whose horse did a very nice halt while she saluted)? I realize the horses are excited to be showing, but really by this level I think they should be able to perform a halt, especially Anky who started the test by walking in (I mean really, you can't go from a walk to a halt?). Sorry, just being picky I guess! :D


Old cows are bubbling to the surface again and again.:confused:

[ridgeback]

Old cows are bubbling to the surface again and again.:confused:


Why do you say this? Are they not suppose to halt? You would think the best in the world could train their horses to halt....

[slc2]

Well, as one trainer I worked with used to say whenever anyone piped up and criticized the person in the ring...."YA THINK? WELL THEN LET'S SEE YOU DO BETTER! GO ON AND GET ON MY GP HORSE AND GO RIGHT IN THERE!"

LOL.

all I care about is that the damn horse stops when I need to get dismount....LOL. And it's amazing how that one always seems to work out...

I don't think there's any reason to pick on people when they complain about this, they just don't understand that it's amazing the horses halt at ALL when the come into the stadium, LOL. But the fact remains - those horses are going into a stadium. That's normal to see in a halt.

[ridgeback]

Look all some of us said is when you are the top in the world you'd think you could get your horse to halt..If I'm not mistaken some of these guys often have difficulty with halts and walks.. Their horses don't seem all that relaxed maybe it's the way they train I don't know just an observation.

[DiscoMom]

Not looking to start a fight over this. I stated it was just a pet peeve of mine and to me a halt seems like a very basic thing to expect of your horse. It is something I really work with on my horse (for safety more than anything - I want to know that when I give him the cue to halt he will do it whether we are in the ring or on a trail ride). No, I am not riding at their level and never will, but the halt just seems so basic and I would expect the horses at that level to do it. If it was just one of the horses not halting, you could chalk it up to the horse being excited about the atmosphere, but when you see several top riders and horses not able to halt, it makes you wonder. And, as mentioned above, Kyra certainly had no problem getting her horse to halt.

[freestyle2music]

Not looking to start a fight over this. I stated it was just a pet peeve of mine and to me a halt seems like a very basic thing to expect of your horse. It is something I really work with on my horse (for safety more than anything - I want to know that when I give him the cue to halt he will do it whether we are in the ring or on a trail ride). No, I am not riding at their level and never will, but the halt just seems so basic and I would expect the horses at that level to do it. If it was just one of the horses not halting, you could chalk it up to the horse being excited about the atmosphere, but when you see several top riders and horses not able to halt, it makes you wonder. And, as mentioned above, Kyra certainly had no problem getting her horse to halt.

I really don't want to go into these kind of discussions, how can you compair Max to Salinero or Lingh or Totilas, these are all complete different horses. Did you ever stand next to a Ferrari at the Red Trafiic Light.:cool:

These riders know exactly how they should ride a test. Losing some points at the Halt, and gaining many points at the rest of the test.

In London and Mechelen Salinero stood like a statue.

[Dalfan]

Their horses don't seem all that relaxed maybe it's the way they train I don't know just an observation.

A very, very astute observation. ;):yes:

[class]

This is a pet peeve of mine, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that their horses cannot halt at the beginning of the test (with the exception of Kyra whose horse did a very nice halt while she saluted)? I realize the horses are excited to be showing, but really by this level I think they should be able to perform a halt, especially Anky who started the test by walking in (I mean really, you can't go from a walk to a halt?). Sorry, just being picky I guess! :D

i saw anky halt at 39 seconds and imke halt at 7 seconds, so i don't know what you're talking about.

[freestyle2music]

@ Dalfan

You probably never did, or had anything to do with topsport :

Do you think I was relaxed when I had to ride the Monte Carlo Rally, or during my time as a racecar driver (yes I have the video's).

Being relaxed during competition is the enemy of topsport :yes:

[nero]

This is a pet peeve of mine, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that their horses cannot halt at the beginning of the test (with the exception of Kyra whose horse did a very nice halt while she saluted)? I realize the horses are excited to be showing, but really by this level I think they should be able to perform a halt, especially Anky who started the test by walking in (I mean really, you can't go from a walk to a halt?). Sorry, just being picky I guess! :D


Yep, think you are being picky. I would imagine one would sacrifice a perfect halt for explosive, supple, powerful, and expressive piaffe, passage, pirouettes, transitions, changes and extensions. But maybe that's just me!! And Anky. The horse is a fireracker, can't people understand that by now? He's not the most relaxed horse in the world, he's not the most docile, he's clearly not the easiest to ride BUT he is the most exciting, brilliant and competitive horse in the world. And the trade off is that ONE movement, whch isn't even a requirement in kur is not great. Oh god, call the dressage cops!

I think given the quality of the tests this horse gives us time and time again, the quality of the halts Anky gives us on Krack C, Nelson and Painted Black and the fact that she has been the top international rider for many years, its pretty obvious she can train a horse to the highest level in pretty fabulous fashion. I don't think that to measure her ability to train a horse by the quality of Salinero's halts is fair. NO horse is perfect, doesn't mean the training is lacking.

BTW that was one of the best tests I've seen from Salinero, engaged, compliant, forward and almost 100% accurate. In the slow motion replay check out Anky's seat coming back from extended canter to pirouette - so strong, she doesn't really touch his mouth, super work.

[canyonoak]

thank you Nero for the clear and expressive post.

[Sabine]

Look all some of us said is when you are the top in the world you'd think you could get your horse to halt..If I'm not mistaken some of these guys often have difficulty with halts and walks.. Their horses don't seem all that relaxed maybe it's the way they train I don't know just an observation.

It definitely is the way they train- they train the ultimate forward...this manifests itself over and over in fabulous Pi/Pa/Pirouette tours, outstanding changes that are straight and forward, excellent extensions and transitions that flow Upward...
IMO- it's the way to go- there is nothing worse than getting stuck in your Pi/Pa tour or the horse slowly falling apart during the test- because the forward is lost...there is NO CURE for that...!

(said from a rider.)

[Rusty Stirrup]

Look all some of us said is when you are the top in the world you'd think you could get your horse to halt..If I'm not mistaken some of these guys often have difficulty with halts and walks.. Their horses don't seem all that relaxed maybe it's the way they train I don't know just an observation.


This is the modern competitive dressage horse. This is what is desired and rewarded in the top levels.

[Dirigo]

I can't get over the fact, that with 21 movements/requirements in the freestyle GP,(four count x2 and 5 count x4 some people dont' seem to understand, that the Halt is only one of those requirement, and it counts x1
How anyone can even compare the Anky test with Kyras it beyond me.
They are WORLDS apart, halt or not!

[Discobold]

Wow, Imke has really gone to another level in her riding!

Wow indeed! Imke and Sunrise have always been my "sentimental" favorites, but they are extrordinary in this freestyle.

I have Anky's music on my Ipod. Theo - Do you know if there is a way to download Imke's music?

Thanx,

Disco, not to be confused with DiscoMom ;) (my first post ever :winkgrin:)

[belambi]

I can't get over the fact, that with 21 movements/requirements in the freestyle GP,(four count x2 and 5 count x4 some people dont' seem to understand, that the Halt is only one of those requirement, and it counts x1
How anyone can even compare the Anky test with Kyras it beyond me.
They are WORLDS apart, halt or not!

because .. most of them have mastered the halt. ;)

Excellent post Nero Thanks

[Dirigo]

Yes , absolutely excellent post Nero
I hadn't read it until all these replys to it. (the beginning posts got to me and I just answered)
There is one thing however, #16 in compulsary movement of the GP freestyle , it does now ask for the entrance and the halts at each end.
Since 2007 (I think they put that in there to shut up all these kinds of silly debates on the issue)

[egontoast]

I think it's because the halt is something anyone at any stage of the sport can see so they like to jump on that. AHA!!;)

Riders are taking risks and making tradeoffs like that all the time in a test.

It's similar to the criticism sometimes that the piaffe creeps a little forward AHA! HEY! The horse who piaffes on the spot should beat the horse who slightly moves forward! Nevermind the quality of the transitions in and out . Didn't notice those.;)

[freestyle2music]

I think it's because the halt is something anyone at any stage of the sport can see so they like to jump on that. AHA!!;)

Riders are taking risks and making tradeoffs like that all the time in a test.

It's similar to the criticism sometimes that the piaffe creeps a little forward AHA! HEY! The horse who piaffes on the spot should beat the horse who slightly moves forward! Nevermind the quality of the transitions in and out . Didn't notice those.;)

Eggy, you are so right. And the rules even say that you are allowed to go 1.5 mtrs forward for the piaffe. And it is my experience that in the beginning of your piaffe carreer you need these 1.5 mtrs to get a high score on your transitions. As stated before many topriders are keen enough to start their trainingscale with the movements that have a multiplier ;)

Topdressage has also to do with mathematics, like the worldchampionship IceSpeed Skating I am watching right now. Some people start with rounds of 29 seconds and end with round of 36 seconds, other start with rounds of 34 seconds and end with rounds of 28 seconds. Comprende ?. It's all about the horse's capacity.

I can remember the wonderfull (imho still the best I ever saw) freestyle of Coby van Baalen and Olympic Ferro at Den Bosch. Her trainer Johan Hinneman knew that Ferro probably would lose some points at the walk, because he was so HOTTTTTTTTTT, but he also knew that in this state of mind he would make it up in all other movements like the passage and piaffe, extensions etc., which he did.

Theo

[csb]

Thank you so much for posting these! I can not tell you how much I enjoy all of the videos you post. I watch them over and over.
cb

[seeuatx]

Thank you for the videos F2M!!!! :winkgrin: . I love to watch upper level tests, and so rarely get to see them. Does anyone know the age of Anky's horse...I remember hearing somewhere that he is young (just out of curiosity). Imke's horse was awesome, and Kyra was lovely as usual.

When I see these videos of the European indoor shows, and see the crowds, my first thought is always.... boy am I glad I'm not trying to ride my horse there (haha, in my dreams), he would have a fit with all the noise and excitement.