Argentina Warmbloods?

[STF]

With the Euro crazy right now I know several people (non breeders) who have imported some horses from Argentina. Some are Argentina Dutch WB's and Argentina Hano, etc. (per the papers, etc).

Some are decent bred.

If someone was to import a nice bred mare, which registries would accept those papers for breed stock mares?? Does any of the registries recongize them?

[windyoak]

I have a registered, imported Argentina (AFFE) mare that is my best producer. All of the inspector's have loved her... However, the Westphalian Verband would not accept her papers for their studbook. The Oldenburg GOV loved her and did place her in a mare book. I have also faxed her papers to ISR Old NA and they will accept the papers as well, pending inspection of course! Hope this helps!

[not again]

How do you deal with the piroplasmosis?

[kookicat]

How do you deal with the piroplasmosis?

What is that? :)

[Tasker]

For reference:
http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/equine_piroplasmosis.pdf
http://epix.hazard.net/topics/animal/piroplas.htm
http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/rirdc/articles/disease/piroplas.htm

[MagicRoseFarm]

I was wondering when there might be a thread on this...

I believe Argentina is becoming the newest place to buy and resell for the hunter market from... the peso is even worse than the dollar so it IS cheaper, and they can still use the word "imported" in the sales description.

[tri]

It has been for a while and eventers for even longer. There is a very large breeder down there that does Zangerheide stud registered horses

[La Gringa]

I imported a wonderful mare G line Hannoverian from Argentina. They have very nice horses there.

[La Gringa]

I was wondering when there might be a thread on this...

I believe Argentina is becoming the newest place to buy and resell for the hunter market from... the peso is even worse than the dollar so it IS cheaper, and they can still use the word "imported" in the sales description.


The exchange rate is 3.15 Argentine Pesos to the Dollar, but for high priced items including horses, they often deal in American dollars. They do know the price of horses, and they do know when they have a good horse. They have a lot of European trainers in South America.. so don't think you can go down there and get something for a complete steal. They don't sell the really really good ones.. just like in Europe.

You can however find some good young horses and good breeding stock.. from very good German bloodlines. They have a great breeding program there, and they are knowledgeable.

Also, it's not so new that people have been horse shopping there. When I lived in Peru in 99 there were many Americans shopping down there.. George Morris had a client buy a horse that was in our barn then..

[Hillside H Ranch]

There is a GP rider/trainer not too far from me and she has been importing horses from Argentina for years now. She has some fantastic jumpers and hunters that go onto some BN barns. I think the GP jumper she is riding right now is from Argentina.

[STF]

I was more wondering on breed stock types (mares and stallion prospects) and what book the mare would be eligible for and IF they would be ok to produce other breed stock.

[MagicRoseFarm]

Please don't misunderstand me, I know they have great horses, I think it is important that this was posted as it demonstrates that there is a "bigger" horse market than some realize.

[Jesse'sMom]

I have a registered, imported Argentina (AFFE) mare that is my best producer. All of the inspector's have loved her... However, the Westphalian Verband would not accept her papers for their studbook. The Oldenburg GOV loved her and did place her in a mare book. I have also faxed her papers to ISR Old NA and they will accept the papers as well, pending inspection of course! Hope this helps!

I use to own this mare. One of my most successful foals was out of her & now I have another daughter of hers who is not only amazing herself, but also produces amazing foals.
As well, I had another mare off the same farm as the above mare, and actually just sold her 2 filly.
True- these Argentine WB's are VERY big bodied horses as well as phenominal movers & top producers.

[STF]

Ok, but what stud books will accept them for breed stock????

[tuckawayfarm]

I am curious about this as well. I have a lovely impported four year old who is mostly Hanoverian, but also has Argentina lines on the dam side. She has an amazing jump and disposition.

If these mares will only be accepted into the lower books, I'm thinking of just using the IJF to provide pedigree information.

[windyoak]

IF the mare has registration papers showing 5 generations of approved sporthorse pedigree, AND provided they pass inspection, they are eligible for the Main Mare books with Oldenburg GOV and ISR Oldenburg NA~from my personal experience.

[tuckawayfarm]

windyoak,

Was your mare placed in the main mare book? My mare is registered and branded Silla Argentino and has several horses in her pedigree who are also SA as well as imported Hanoverians. Just curious how you would determine if the "SA" horses were "approved sport horses"? I am not aware that the Argentina horses have to be inspected to have registered offspring. Seems that would keep her out of the main mare books.

What value would you think the lower books might bring to her offspring that the IJF wouldn't provide with much less effort and expense?

Thanks for sharing your experiences with the GOV and ISR/Old!

[windyoak]

Holly @ Gov. inspected my mare and is trying to get her placed in the Main Mare Book. My mare's papers actually have #'s in place of a couple of the Damline's names. So in my case, this has created a hurdle. The foal DID receive full Oldenburg GOV papers. However, I did fax my mare's papers and pedigree to ISR/Old NA and Lisa checked with the inspectors and advised me that she is eligible for their Main Mare Book as long as she scores high enough at the inspection. I will keep you posted on how that turns out! You can always call the registry of your choice and fax your paperwork to them to find out if your individual mare qualifies. Both Holly at GOV and Lisa at ISR have been overly helpful.

[tri]

There a quite a few very high end hunter barns that go to Argentina and buy young (2yr, 3yr, 4yr olds) as equitation prospects bringing in 3-6 at a time or more. Some of these have Z Stud papers, some don't.

Like I've said for a long time folks, you don't need the euro papers/euro control, its marketing, marketing, marketing.

[STF]

Im my case, Im looking at broodmare so papers do mean something and where they will be placed in the stud books. "Just any ol mare book to get "papers"" is not what Im looking for.

[DownYonder]

I believe that part of the issue for Oldenburg (GOV) is that there are no stallion performance tests in Argentina, so stallions that do not otherwise meet the standard performance requirements will lose their "approved" status at a certain age. That would affect what is considered "approved bloodlines" for MMB.

[STF]

True that!
There is one mare that I know of that is by a well known C line stallion in Europe. Since the sire is lifetime approved over there I assume there wont be a problem and the dam line is very well known too.
There are two others I was looking at that I had not ever known of the sire, but the bloodlines behind it were very impressive. But...... if the stallion is not "approved" in one of the agreed books, then there is going to be a conflict from what I have gathered from talking to the regstires.
So this is what I am gathering so far.

AHS = No, those registry papers are not recongized and not even as non Hano mares.

AHHA - on a case per case basis, call the registar

BWP - No, those papers are not recongized, but can be taken in the Auxiliary mare book for "riding type" offspring.

RPSI - Taken on a case per case basis depending on bloodline status of sire and dam

GOV - Taken on case per case basis, depending on bloodlines status of sire and dam

Olden/Na - Taken on case per case basis, depending on bloodlines status of sire and dam

[Jesse'sMom]

RPSI will also take the argentine mares, as long as they have papers, and in a lower book if no papers, but shows well at inspection.