TB Buckpasser?

[RodeoQueen]

Anyone have Buckpasser breeding in their horses? What characteristics show?

[camohn]

lovely tempered and athletic horses. One of my FAVORITE lines to see in a TB!

[goodmorning]

My guy has it on the top and bottom. He is a big, athletic TB, with wonderful neck. He doesn't have a great trot, but has a wonderful canter and a very pretty hunter-jump. It's hard to get a bad jumping shot (unless you look at his rider :winkgrin:). He is *very* careful, almost too careful; I don't think he could be a jumper. He has the 'typical' TB feet that require a lot of attention. He's not terribly complicated, my very non-riding SO can hop on and trot around, but he's a horse you pick and choose your battles with. He's a one person horse, and a complete goof on the ground. He raced 30 times, and I imagine this had a lot to do with his quirkiness.

He doesn't have any spook, which I love. He may not like the ponies in the schooling ring :lol: but he stood like a rock when the neighbors began rockblasting :eek:

Here is a shot from last October, after owning him a couple months in the start of his new career. A little skinny, and really reaching for that treat ;) If I clip him in the next week or so, he may get an updated shot.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/lynnn44/n9014336_32077794_6165.jpg?t=1201366410

[vineyridge]

My girl has Buckpasser in her damsire line. She's very brave and bold and smart. Too young to be ridden, so I can't say anything about her under saddle, but I'm told she learns quickly.

She wants to be the alpha mare.

[Foxtrot's]

Two of the best for sporthorses: Buckpasser and Turn-To (IMHO)

[BelladonnaLily]

My wonderful old girl is a Buckpasser granddaughter, by Pass. I'm glad to have her 2yo filly so I'm hoping all the good stuff came through!

Are crappy feet a Buckpasser thing? My old girl does have positively awful feet. I love everything else about her but I'm praying my filly gets her dad's feet.

[chunky munky]

One of my best show hunters of all time was a Buckpasser Grand son. He was by a horse called Pass the Glass. He was a fabulous jumper, winning classes at indoors, Palm Beach, Capital Challenge, you name it. He even won the hack at the National Horse Show, when it really WAS the National Horse Show.;) He was also stunning and very correct. The only bad thing I can say is that he was a little snarky to be around. Not much close Buckpasser blood around anymore.

[denny]

Buckpasser was foaled 45 years ago, in 1963, so although he`s in quite a few pedigrees, his influence is apt to be fairly remote.
He is the main reason that the Tom Fool line survived (Buckpasser`s sire), but years ago there were some excellent Tom Fool jumpers.
My Irish colt, Formula One, descends from Buckpasser on his dam`s side.
I think when people ask about stallions very far back, like Buckpasser, Bold Ruler, Ribot, Hail to Reason, etc, we need to look at the more recent aspects of the pedigree in question to get more realistic answers.
Not that the old lines are meaningless. Just imagine the state of modern horse breeding if Nearco had been gelded as a yearling!

[can't re-]

Love Buckpasser! (http://thoroughbredchampions.com/biographies/buckpasser.htm)
I have a young gelding with Buckpasser top and bottom. He is tall, nice trot and canter and the best hunter jump. Perfect form from the start and very athletic. He has a gorgeous head and good feet. I know both his dam and sire well and they both have very similar traits - very pretty and nice movers.

Here are some pics of Buckpasser and his grey son Silver Buck. The last pic is a Silver Buck mare - 16.2hh and fantastic mover.
goodmorning, your guy is handsome. How old is he?

we need to look at the more recent aspects of the pedigree in question to get more realistic answers

Yes! My guy's parents are both lovely hunter types.

[SC_Sporthorses]

One of our stallions is a grandson of Buckpasser and I LOVE the Buckpasser line! Smart, athletic and super well put together! I have only good things to say about that line :winkgrin:

[camohn]

Buckpasser was foaled 45 years ago, in 1963......
I think when people ask about stallions very far back, like Buckpasser, Bold Ruler, Ribot, Hail to Reason, etc, we need to look at the more recent aspects of the pedigree in question to get more realistic answers.
Not that the old lines are meaningless. Just imagine the state of modern horse breeding if Nearco had been gelded as a yearling!
Yes and no. Yes he is way back in most pedigrees.......but BP, HTR, Bold Ruler, Northern D are also very prepotent for type.
Our lovely stallion that died was out of a Silver Buck bred mare and she is still being bred by her current owner to a WB. I heard from racing folks that Silver Buck is known in KY as one of the easiest/kindest horses to handle in the stallion barn.

[babygreenqueen]

i have 3 by coincidence, Buckpasser relatives. an 8 yo, 4 yo, 2yo. all are very athletic classically elegant to look at, smart sensible and very trainable.
good feet too. the 8 yo is a successful hunter so will see how the youths do this year.

[Windswept Stable]

Buckpasser is in the pedigree of my pony stallion. He is far back--but there.

[Foxtrot's]

Despite Buckpasser being fairly far back I also think it is a type that gets passed down. The older, French/Eglish/Irish lines with big uphill build, ability to rock back and jump, big feet for the grass, classic distance bloodlines. The steeplechase, older European type
that is quite different from the smaller speedsters of today's American breeding. Now, I know that the classic distance horses had speed bred into them and vice versa, but the big eventers are a certain type. Some pedigrees just have a larger proportion of these horses in them and true, they are getting diluted. TB Heritage site has a lot of interesting reading on the TB ancestors of todays jumping horses.

[foxhavenfarm]

We have a couple of Buckpasser related broodmares that are the sweetest mares. Both very athletic and gorgeous movers...and both chestnut sabino/rabicano. We love them!

[Fenway]

I have 3 Buckpasser mares. He's pretty close in all of their pedigrees and two of them have him twice. Great movers, nice conformation, great temperaments. I always look twice at any horse with Buckpasser in his/her pedigree.

[Ladybug Hill]

I agree that he is back in the pedigrees, but still seems to have some influence. There is definitely a look that seems to come down thru. Love them.

[showjumpers66]

I have had a couple over the years. There was a great producing sire (for hunter types) in our area by Buckpasser, Pollinize. I don't know how many of his get ended up as hunters, but I loved their type.

[Peggy]

Cool was a grandson via Moneychanger. Beautiful, correct horse, short coupled, and uphill. Lovely canter, super athletic horse, great natural balance (never felt like the typical green worm). IIRC Buckpasser has been called the most correctly conformed TB or some such and Cool inherited the looks. However, I would not describe his disposition as lovely, but he was also a grandson of a full sister of Northern Dancer. He was also way too smart to be a horse and kept looking for ways to make it more interesting:lol:.

He was not happy over fences, but I switched over to dressage and showed thru 4th level and was working Intermediare-I-ish.

Cool (http://homepage.smc.edu/kline_peggy/images/Peggy_Cool.gif)

[DLee]

My (pregnant!) mare has Buckpasser top and bottom, and the stallion has him in the top, so .... :yes:... I can't wait!

[goodmorning]

One of my best show hunters of all time was a Buckpasser Grand son. He was by a horse called Pass the Glass.

I have Pass the Glass as the dams sire - like I mentioned before, he is not lacking in the jump catagory.

[amdfarm]

My 8yo OTTB mare has him in the 4th on the sire's side through a mare called Con Game who is the dam of Seeking the Gold, my mare's Grandsire. She's 16hh, very refined and elegant, excellent feet, athletic, very sweet and tries very hard to please.

[thumbsontop]

I have a mare that has Buckpasser on her sire's side. It's 4 generations back. She's wonderful and very much a pleaser. She's honestly the best TB I've ever met. She's only 15.1+ but can clear 5 ft with room and has a very natural jump and beautiful step. She is very muscular.

[RodeoQueen]

Here's a link to my appendix Quarter horse when he was 3:

http://pets.webshots.com/album/129823491mrWZme

I studied his history because he appears to be nothing like his dad or mom - and I wanted more insight on him - he was a bit of a bug as a youngster. After searching and reading - I found the missing link. Despite Buckpasser being a couple generations back in his breeding - that great stallion is dominant in my boy, not only does he look like him - but his personality is very similar - almost scary.

Elliot is very bright which means there's no "going to sleep" on him. He learns fast, however, there's no pushing him into something - success comes when it's his idea. Using a whip on him? Uhh...forget it! Ask and ye shall receive. Whip and ye shall eat dirt :lol:. He's almost 7 now and raising him has been well worth the time and effort. He's very connected to me and would walk through fire if I asked him to. He's matured into a very lovely young man - well mannered but still always a bit of that arrogance remains. His dad has multiple AQHA World titles - over fences and on the flat, and honestly, it's as if he knows he comes from greatness - just hope we can get it done in the ring.

Thanks for sharing your Buckpasser stories!

[beaulilly]

There was a nice 1988 Buckpasser grand-daughter (through Buckfinder) went through Keeneland January sales as an estate dispersal, she was in foal and brought 2500, wish I had the finances, I would have loved to bring her home.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/bucks+talk

[florida foxhunter]

My current two breeding stallions are both Buckpasser! Claim to Fame's conformation and performance credentials are WELL proven......I totally credit his elegance to his dam, a Buckpasser granddaughter...........via Buckfinder and Assult Landing. He is one of the most comfortable, sweet and kind stallions you'd ever find!!!

His homozygous son, Counterclaim, has Buckpasser on BOTH sides...........I just took him out in the woods on a trailride by myself today (a four year old stallion!!)......again as sweet as they come,,,,and definately has Claim to Fame's lovely chiseled head!!

You can see both on my website!! Buckpasser breeding is my FAVORITE in TB's!!!

[sprite]

I had a Buckpasser grandson (sold him 10 yrs ago and he eventually wound up with another COTH'er!). Smart, opinionated, compact and athletic as all get out, was a cute little hunter and LOVED to jump. He was adorable, little foxy ears and a big bright star...funny boy!

[BelladonnaLily]

So the fact that my 2yo has Buckpasser just 3 generations back might be something to be proud of? I admit to knowing little except what I've "heard" about him but I always wondered if the fact that my old girl, a granddaughter, was just second generation from him was something special. Very cool :)

[Fenway]

So the fact that my 2yo has Buckpasser just 3 generations back might be something to be proud of? I admit to knowing little except what I've "heard" about him but I always wondered if the fact that my old girl, a granddaughter, was just second generation from him was something special. Very cool :)

I'd say yes. :)

[showjumpers66]

Here is a QH stallion from a Pollinize mare -

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/its+all+about+blue2

http://www.hanesperformancehorses.com/iaab_front.jpg

And, Buckaroo by Buckpasser - http://www.chef-de-race.com/images/buckaroo.jpg

Buckpasser interview - http://www.brauliobaeza.com/hoy_buckpasser.html

And, this is cool - http://www.championsgallery.com/dr_fager_damascus.htm

http://www.rectortownequine.com/Stallions.htm

http://www.rockinriver.com/stallions.htm (Deerhound)

[cyriz's mom]

Sea Accounts has Buckpasser and Damascus (SJ66 thanks for posting that link, very cool!!) through Private Account, his damsire. I love Private Account and his offspring. They tend to be big, dark (dark brown or black) and athletic with great minds. Of course, Sea Accounts has equally impressive names elsewhere in his pedigree. In fact, he has 17 chefs-de-race and 16 reines-de-cours in his first generations.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

He is the main reason that the Tom Fool line survived (Buckpasser`s sire), but years ago there were some excellent Tom Fool jumpers.



Sorry to side track...but interesting. My mare (http://www.pedigreequery.com/charm18) has Tom Fool on her sire's side. Her sire Foligno is by Foolish Pleasure (the colt that raced Ruffian in the match race where she broke down). He has produced several good jumpers and one of his son's won the MD Hunt Cup twice....he was a well thought of local TB stallion in this area (known for turf horses primarily). Unfortunately...the Ruffian tragedy probably caused Foolish Pleasure to not be bred to as much as he might have been otherwise.

I did not realize the Tom Fool was Buckpasser's sire.

I also have had several horses with Buckpasser in their pedigree....hard to tell what traits come from what side of the family....I've only ever had Buckpasser a few generations back.

[maxxtrot]

my mare is a silver buck granddaughter.( daring lady)
i also have a 5 yr.old by that's our buck that is a"10" jumper and very much the hunter type.(thunder in paradise)
i have a coming 3 yr.old out of my silver buck ,are by that's our buck, so double on both sides.(just buck-it)
i bred for those lines, love anything buckpasser,buckaroo,buckfinder ect...just love them, all very talented horses.

[JER]

The Buckpasser influence is still out there in racing and sport horses. Silver Charm (http://www.pedigreequery.com/silver+charm) is a son of Silver Buck but unfortunately he's been shipped off to Japan. The huge stallion Hand in Glove (http://www.pedigreequery.com/hand+in+glove) was a grandson of both Turn-to (sire line) and Buckpasser (on the bottom) -- he died a few years back after being sold to France but he's the sire or grandsire of a number of young event stars (often through the 3/4 TB French stallion Jaguar Mail (http://www.frenchstallions.org/french_stallion_detail.php?stallion=2007009)). The VDL TB stallion French Buffet (http://www.vdlstud.com/content/vdl_hengsten.asp?taal_id=2&id=37)(GP jumper in Europe) is also a Buckpasser grandson.

I think the Buckpasser type is the perfect look for a TB. Short-coupled, powerful, uphill, elegant. My own TB mare (http://www.pbase.com/jrusc/image/55369172) is a Pass the Glass granddaughter who I bought because I thought she was the most beautiful TB I've ever seen. She's a gorgeous moving as she is standing.

[can't re-]

I love this thread. What a nice mare JER!

I also had years ago a nice, 17hh hunter that was a grandson of Buckpasser. It was one of my showing highlights to be Champion on him with Rodney judging. :D He was lovely; a very nice jump, super canter, not the best trot. He did indoors etc.....

Here is my guy and my friend has a really nice, quiet Silver Charm gelding in VA.
The first one is my guy, the second is by Silver Charm -

[goodmorning]

http://www.rockinriver.com/stallions.htm (Deerhound)

There's a cute Deerhound mare on Canter PA, surprised no one has picked her up.

http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/ShezaPrincess-2.jpg

[camohn]

It's a pretty nice pedigree on that mare
http://www.pedigreequery.com/sheza+princess
though with a Sheza name it sounds like a QH!

[Windswept Stable]

I just went to Canter site and it says she is SOLD.... hey--who got there so fast....???

[goodmorning]

Haha - someone must have seen her! She's been on their for months, I've been keeping an eye on her ;) I hope someone reports back on her!

[can't re-]

Wow, Sheza Princess and the stunning gelding Glacken look like really nice horses! Great pedigree on the mare.