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[Feuerlilie]

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[Sandy M]

My old eventing trainer trained and showed a 17.2 palomino through Grand Prix many years ago and sold him for a BIG PRICE then to pay for her daughter's college tuition. He was technically a QH - but by breeding about 15/16ths TB. I would imagine these days a Palomino WB would do even better, all things being equal. I think color is less of a barrier, though a few judges still seem to harbor some faint prejudice against Appies. Art Deco appears to have made the world safe for Pintos. There's only one quite older judge whom I've ever heard express an "anti-Palomino" bias, and even that was quite some time ago and others assure me that he no longer feels that way.

[MyReality]

Any color is fine in my book. Some paints have patterns that may give optical illusions, maybe worth more consideration.

[dutchmike]

As long as he moves nice ,who cares about the colour?.

[Sonesta]

Glitter Please never seemed to have any problems!

[TK]

I don't think that score should somehow depend on color, If the horse shows perfect dressage abilites! In Eastern Europe it is well know that warmblood horse can have palomino color comes through Akhal-Teke blood through the mare Ennam.

Also it is fact that pure blood of Akhal-Teke horses can be used for Warmblood breeding the same way as TB or Arabs.

Thus in 2007 an Akhal-Teke stallion from Russia, Saad-Shael has been approved for Danish Palomino Association ( DPA) and he was awarded with the title; Stallion of the Year 2007.
Photo1 (http://www.shael-teke.com/web/shael.nsf/a00ee10d113d7e498525720c006af4ca/c78e0b62cebee816852573ad006eed0f/Body/21.4CBA?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg)

Photo2 (http://www.shael-teke.com/web/shael.nsf/a00ee10d113d7e498525720c006af4ca/c78e0b62cebee816852573ad006eed0f/Body/73.42DE?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg)

[STF]

Color is not a factor that judges look at. Dressage is based on quality of gaits and correctness of them.

[tx3dayeventer]

I want a Palomino sporthorse!!! I have it on great authority that dressage judges HATE Palomino warmbloods therefore I think that you should give him to me and I will event him :D :winkgrin: :D :D

[DaisyMae]

I've never had an issue with low scoring for less common colors. The less common colors have gotten so popular now though that there are breeders who are breeding for color at the expense of quality. And yes, those horses will probably score lower. I was in love with a little palomino German Riding Pony. If only I had $50,000!

[Foxtrot's]

Well, tx3dayE, if you had the gorgeous, chestnut, TB mare you could consider breeding to APS Dallas in Australia = www.horsedeals.com.au

He has some tough Australian stock in him plus warmblood.

[ASB Stars]

Is he half American Saddlebred? :lol:

[tx3dayeventer]

oh I loff him! I have a bay mare, if that counts :D Too bad he is literally 1/2 a world away.

[Feuerlilie]

Yes...I know it shouldnt matter about the colour,....it is the ability!

He is mine and not for sale haha:D He is only 2 years....has amazing movement and temperament ...and comformation is fab!

BUT I have heard little snippets saying that dressage judges will mark him down for colour, if they dont like coloured dressage horses!!! I mean WHO CARES as I will compete him anyways,...but love to hear opinions...also from any JUDGES out there????

[kittykeno]

Oh I would love to have a palomino and I would not expect him to be marked down for the color at all.

[Foxtrot's]

APS DAllas is a holsteiner through Coriander. His mother was a TB x Stock horse, I think. He's in Australia, and I apologise for the website - it is rather difficult to navigate. You even have to sign on to seee his video which put me off. I believe it would have to be a chestnut mare for palomino colour. He belongs to a friend of mine, that's why I mentioned him - but then I don't know how import permits go for semen from overseas. I was thinking he would be tough enough to be an eventer.

[Feuerlilie]

TK...GORGEOUS stallion!
And yes I would imagine he would have the dilute colour to carry on to throw palli babies. My boys sire is also a buckskin.

My boy would do well in any discipline....eventing, dressage, hacking. Very nuch a sporthorse type...pity I cant post some pics here

[Sunny Santa Cruz]

I've got a Palomino that I compete. Tho mine is not a WB. Every so often a horse in the warmup will freakout over palomino color, they get really big and scared, like he's an alien. :eek: It's never been a problem with the judges....they enjoy change of pace. Tho there are more and more WB of color now adays. Isn't it great?

[Feuerlilie]

Hi SUnny...the only trick is to keep them clean!

Ever had a judge mark you down??? And what elvel are you competing hima t?

I dont mind scaring some horses haha

[maddyh]

Loved this thread...my daughter rides a grulla paint (with blue eyes, no less) in the hunter ring. I have been told that hunter judges may be biased against paints and pintos. He jumps so cute and she usually pins well in B and C shows (did ok in an A), but wondering what others' experiences have been. My daughter would like to give Large Pony Hunters a shot since he can do the 3 foot, but I wonder how he'll measure up against all those bays and greys.

[HappyHoppingHaffy]

Funny, I was just joking about dying my palamino to bay coloring this evening with my trainer. (I was kidding) This thread is so refreshing as I really thought he'd do better if he was a bay horse! I'm glad I'm wrong!
I love palaminos and I'm glad biases are being lifted!
To those of a different (blond) color!! :)

[Lexi]

if I had the brilliantly dappled palomino stallion I once fell in love with then judges et al be damned I'd keep riding him anyway. god that horse was the most gorgeous thing I'd ever seen. some pals are washed out and just 'meh,' but when it's good, it's reallllly good!

[Feuerlilie]

Maddy and Happy...I really CANT wait to get out and compete my boy.....to see those heads turn, even if they are biased ones will be quite funny I think!

NEVER ever say that you will dye your pallie!! LOL I actually had a pallie when I was a teenager, she was the most wonderful horse. Now it is like fate that I bought my second pallie 6 weeks ago....reallyw asnt looking for one....was really looking for a talented warmblood....and even if he wasnt a palomino colour he would still be a very nice horse :D

[Sabine]

you are probably wondering what these horses are like...but they are currently in the incubation process....and I plan on winning with them...LOL!!! color or not- actually-especially with that color!!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sabindi/Various%20pics/Dylan2.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sabindi/Various%20pics/Dalton1.jpg



you guess what they are and how old they are...one picture shows a 2 yr old...btw and they are not the same horse...LOL!

[Feuerlilie]

Sabine...the first one is a 2 year old??
And are they Tennesse Walking Horses or something?
Lovely colours!

If theya re young, they will go darker in colour with age.

[Sabine]

They are 2 and 5 and both equally golden- they are American Saddlebreds- and I ride serious dressage. I don't really care too much about the color- although I love the color...but they have the mind and the gaits...:)!

[Feuerlilie]

Well they are lovely!:):winkgrin:

[slc2]

Except for a few wacked out exceptions, dressage judges are color blind. One of our group showed a Palomino horse 15-20 years ago. The horse was judged very fairly. I doubt that anything has changed since then.

Someone here once said a judge told her, 'nice ride, too bad it's a Palomino'. I doubt that was a decent judge. Most would realize the comment would be repeated ad nauseum for the next 72 years with their name prominently attached to it, even if it was a joke and didn't affect the score.

I think colors undergo fashions in the hunter ring, in the sense that people change what sort of horse they think will catch the judge's eye. White marking currently seem to be popular. I'm not even sure hunter judges, so often accused of looking for a certain color or tack, really are that fixated on it.

[lindac]

you are probably wondering what these horses are like...but they are currently in the incubation process....and I plan on winning with them...LOL!!! color or not- actually-especially with that color!!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sabindi/Various%20pics/Dylan2.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sabindi/Various%20pics/Dalton1.jpg



you guess what they are and how old they are...one picture shows a 2 yr old...btw and they are not the same horse...LOL!

Sabine, they are gorgeous!

I'll guess the first one is 2 and the second one is 5??

[Sabine]

Sabine, they are gorgeous!

I'll guess the first one is 2 and the second one is 5??

Nope the other way around- and they are both stallions/colts.

[RidingPants]

This is a two year old? Holy smokes!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sabindi/Various%20pics/Dalton1.jpg

Beautiful! Well, both are beautiful :)

[fish]

Loved this thread...my daughter rides a grulla paint (with blue eyes, no less) in the hunter ring. I have been told that hunter judges may be biased against paints and pintos. He jumps so cute and she usually pins well in B and C shows (did ok in an A), but wondering what others' experiences have been. My daughter would like to give Large Pony Hunters a shot since he can do the 3 foot, but I wonder how he'll measure up against all those bays and greys.

If the pony jumps and moves well, any color will be fine. I've seen all different colors, including POA's, and a grey and white pinto with one blue eye, do just fine at the A shows. All That Glitters, a pale palomino, was one of the most successful on the A circuit, as was Tickled Pink, a red roan.

[Maude]

If a judge was prejudiced against a horse because of its color, I wouldn't respect their opinion anyway. I have a strawberry roan dutch warmblood mare who I have trained and competed to FEI. She is striking with the classic chestnut head, legs, mane and tail. Her body varies from pink/lilac to silver depending on the season. She had a lovely Sir Sinclair filly last year and my only dissapointment is that her filly is not roan too. It's especially entertaining when I trail ride her in my western tack. Then people think she's a QH until they see her move. No, nothing against QH's. I have one of them too who has competed sucessfully to FEI also. And, to answer your question, I have never felt that a judge has marked me unfairly due to my mare's color. When I ride down the centerline, I look the judge in the eye and think to myself "You should be so lucky to be sitting on this horse"!

[Suzier]

I feel like I've seen more horses of unusual color recently and they've been attracting POSITIVE attention. I feel like just about every little girl wanted a sparkly golden pony, or a sparkly silver pony, and seeing a palomino still triggers a memory of that first dream pony. Although 99.99% of judges probably don't pay attention to color, I bet for every odd exception where one judges color harshly, there is another one going "oooh, prreeetttyyy." Which is what I'd be doing from the sidelines.

...wish I had one...

[MontanaDun]

I was scribing this past fall at a recognized show and a gorgeous palomino was second in a very competitive 2nd level class (I think-might have been 3rd). The S judge I was scribing for loved the horse and the ride.

The ride was balanced, correct, accurate and classy. What's not to like? LOL

PS The horse that won was ridden by a pro and was quite phenomenal.

[tx3dayeventer]

I would love another Palomino (but all warmblood :)). I competed and won lots on a dappled Palomino QHxTrak. The judges LOVED him! Granted I evented but my dressage scores were always in the 20's or low 30's (I think in straight dressage that is the equivalent of 80's and high 70's, I think). He was an amazing jumper and had the speed and scope for XC. I took him Prelim and we alawys finished in the top 5 if not 1st or 2nd. I won the USEA Horse and Rider of the year on him and the AWS Horse of the Year too. He is now 21 and retired to my parents ranch.

There are some pics of him here :

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachxc.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachwayneop2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachwayneop.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachriverglenop2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachriverglenop.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachpoplarjyop2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachpoplarjyop.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachmtennprelim2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachmtennprelim.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachChamrunyop.jpg

If you dont want to go pic by pic you can click on the photobucket link in my signature line and there are more pictures there.

[Dune]

Sabine, you gave in waaaay too quickly, as saddlebred was my first guess! :yes: tx3dayeventer...what a super horse, very coool! :cool: OP, there are going to be stupid people that say stupid things all the time. I've ridden with trainers who are judges and have competed/ridden at a pretty high level in a very competitive part of the country and I've yet to see color bias. :no: IF you listen to the typical DQs that have not a real clue, you hear that dressage riders don't like anything but tall, dark horses with minimal, matching perfectly symmetrical chrome. It's a joke, there is plenty of room for all colors/sizes/breeds to do well in dressage. Keep us posted!:)

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

I would love another Palomino (but all warmblood :)). I competed and won lots on a dappled Palomino QHxTrak. The judges LOVED him! Granted I evented but my dressage scores were always in the 20's or low 30's (I think in straight dressage that is the equivalent of 80's and high 70's, I think). He was an amazing jumper and had the speed and scope for XC. I took him Prelim and we alawys finished in the top 5 if not 1st or 2nd. I won the USEA Horse and Rider of the year on him and the AWS Horse of the Year too. He is now 21 and retired to my parents ranch.

There are some pics of him here :

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachxc.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachwayneop2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachwayneop.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachriverglenop2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachriverglenop.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachpoplarjyop2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachpoplarjyop.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachmtennprelim2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachmtennprelim.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/tx3dayeventer/peachChamrunyop.jpg

If you dont want to go pic by pic you can click on the photobucket link in my signature line and there are more pictures there.

CUTE horse!

Sabine, I LOVE the first guy! Lovely expression, color (I admit to being a pali lover though I have never had one) and head. ;)

[Gracie]

Once upon a time, there was a QH palomino stallion with lots of chrome in my area. When I started paying attention, he was bred to approximately 10 mares one season.

Results that I was aware of
-- One palomino foaled by a chestnut (the only palomino result in about 6 years of breeding)
-- a palomino paint foaled by a chestnut paint
-- a buckskin foaled by a chestnut
-- a dark sorrel foaled by a chestnut
-- a bay foaled by a palomino
-- a chestnut foaled by a palomino

[Sandy M]

I'm a huge fan of WB's of color. Not a huge fan of Appy colored ones, but palo's and paints... why not!

Excuse me!?!?! Please look at my profile pic. Do you see anything particularly egregious about showing such a horse in dressage? ('course, he's not a EUROPEAN WB, but he did just fine. Don't be caught up in the idea that real Appaloosas are all built like QHs.)

[Whisper]

Umm, Gracie, someone must have had their breeding records mixed up then.
A palomino stallion bred to the mares in question cannot produce a black, bay, or buckskin foal. Chestnut is recessive, so neither can contribute the gene for black, which "agouti" modifies to bay. The possible foal outcomes follow:
-- a buckskin foaled by a chestnut
50% chance of chestnut, 50% palomino are the only possibilities
-- a bay foaled by a palomino
25% chance of chestnut, 50% palomino, 50% cremello are the only possibilities.

[J Lav]

Yes...I know it shouldnt matter about the colour,....it is the ability!

He is mine and not for sale haha:D He is only 2 years....has amazing movement and temperament ...and comformation is fab!

BUT I have heard little snippets saying that dressage judges will mark him down for colour, if they dont like coloured dressage horses!!! I mean WHO CARES as I will compete him anyways,...but love to hear opinions...also from any JUDGES out there????

I'm a judge (in the UK) and colour has NO influence on the marks what so ever!! If a judge genuinely was marking horses down because they didn't like the colour then they should be struck off!!

It's usually just sour grapes when people make those sort of comments. They don't really want to accept that their horse was marked down because it doesn't go very well, so blame it's colour/size/the fact that it wasn't plaited/had the wrong colour saddle cloth/is the wrong breed etc etc.

There is a very nice palomino Danish warmblood competing at PSG locally who does very well.

[pintopiaffe]

I've been breeding for colour for a while now. I tend to get the scores we deserve, and very often (almost without exception) also get an altruistic "lovely turnout" because they *sparkle.*

I think dilutes are amazingly elegant in dressage tack & with their rider's in black & white. Could be why my newest broodie is perlino... guarantees pally or bucskin bebes. ;)

[ltw]

http://www.psi-auktion.de/englisch/s535241.html


I thought this horse was adorable. He was offered as a dressage horse in the very prestigious PSI auction in Germany. He is absolutely adorable. He is a Palomino and is by the famous stallion Welt Hit. Would have loved to buy him. I am sure he went for a pretty penny.

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

OMG, WOW! Lovely boy!

[ltw]

http://www.horsesdaily.com/market/horsemarket/75-100/bacharach.html


Here is another one that is quite attractive. I guess I am very attracted to them. I have never been a big "color" person but after having all bay, black, chesnut horses my whole life a "golden" one is quite appealing and would stand out in the crowd. When you go to a dressage show these days, you mostly see dark horses. They all look alike. Well, I am ready for a little variety!

I know that there is a line in the Swedish Warmblood Book that throws Palomino. If they have the movement and temperament that is most important.

[not again]

Here you go
http://www.palominowarmbloods.com/

[RiverOaksFarm]

I love that there are starting to be so many options to get nice, colored warmbloods.

Here is a palomino dressage horse I really like:
(photo) (http://www.stald-heimdal.dk/images/Galop%20pirouette%201.jpg)
and another:
(another photo) (http://www.stald-heimdal.dk/images/Samlet%20trav%2010%25.JPG)
both from here: stald-heimdal.dk (http://www.stald-heimdal.dk)

There is also someone here in Florida with one of the only approved cremello German Warmbloods in the U.S., who is breeding some nice palominos.
www.palominowarmbloods.com

And this horse (http://www.psi-auktion.de/englisch/s535241.html) was in the PSI auction in 07, the first time I can remember seeing a "colored" horse at such a prestigious auction.

I am hoping for two buckskin foals this Spring, and one pinto. I love the colors, but best of all they will have quality breeding too and would be nice horses even if they were purple -- although I'm hoping for buckskin and pinto, and not purple:D. I like that there are so many choices now, to get nice horses *and* cool colors.

[TK]

ltw, Wow outstanding horse!!!
I wonder what is in his pedigree?

[RiverOaksFarm]

not again and ltw, we were thinking alike! :winkgrin:

Here are more colored warmbloods (www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de)

[TK]

There is another great breeder in Germany who breedes palomino warmbloods as well!
Gestuet Falkenhorst (http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de/gfstallions.html)

[ltw]

Every year, the PSI auction mails me their beautiful leather bound catalogue in early December. In the catalogue is a CD with the videos. I opened up the catalogue and saw this beautiful little Palomino, named Kevin and showed it to my husband. I have always loved the Welt HIt offspring.

My husband asked what I wanted for Christmas, and I handed him the catalogue with the turned down page with Kevin. He just started laughing and said NO Way was he buying me "another horse" for Christmas. Anyway, I still dream about that cutie pie.

[Feuerlilie]

Wow...just came back on here and am gobsmacked at how many replies I have had!

THANK YOU so much for setting my mind at ease.!
And Maude...that is funny about what you think about the judge as you are riding up the centre line!

I am very proud of my "golden boy" and feel very lucky to have met him.

Here in Western Australia there are not many coloured warmbloods competing, maybe in showjumping but not in dressage. Most of them are dark or chestnut with an odd grey every now and then. The most common colour or the most "in" colour at the moment is Black....and chestnut..

To be honest I saw a lot of young warmbloods when I was horsehunting and frankly they bored me....I saw some fabulously moving bays.....great movement yes, boring!
Then I saw my boy, and I thought oh yes pretty colour but can he move? Then he trotted across the dressage arena...should I say FLOATED. And stood and looked at me as if to say "Did I do okay?" LOL

This may sound silly but you know how sometimes when you meet a horse, it is like attraction at first sight?? You look at their eyes and thnk this horse is for me? Thats how I felt.

My boy is out of a huge chestnut thoroughbred mare (with some very good tb lines) On his sires side...the sire is buckskin and endlessly siring pallies and backskins.....he has Flaneur and more tb, with a drop of arab and stockhorse going way back. There is no quarterhorse,,,,,not that there is anything wrong with quarterhorse.

[AZ TD]

Uli Schmitz trained his Trakhner, Priam, a light chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail to GP.

http://www.caradressage.com/page/page/4513406.htm

[PalominoMorgan]

I sure hope I don't get marked down for color. My riding will be enough for the judge to comment on! LOL. Pics of my palomino on my profile or at www.sechsmorgenfarm.com

Now, if I'm going to a morgan show in New England that did NOT bring in a western judge... well... then... my hunter rounds don't go as well as the western pleasure rounds. Guess palomino morgans are allowed to be western horses, but not hunters.

[tx3dayeventer]

since ya'll are talking about sire and dam color I thought I would throw in that my guy's dam was a palomino QH (barrel racer) and his daddy was Grandioso 47, a liver chestnut G-line Trakhaner (sp?).

[AJC]

There is another guy here in Australia, he posts on here as belambi. They breed a lot of paint and appaloosa sportshorses many of whom are now in USA. He was talking about this the other day, and pointed out to me that Apps are the ONLY coloured breed so far to have had olympic representation(and I believe they were very minimally marked?).

[RiddleMeThis]

Once upon a time, there was a QH palomino stallion with lots of chrome in my area. When I started paying attention, he was bred to approximately 10 mares one season.

-- a buckskin foaled by a chestnut

-- a bay foaled by a palomino


Either someone is fence jumping or those foals are registered wrong. They CANNOT be black based out of and by two red based horses.

[Sunny Santa Cruz]

Hi SUnny...the only trick is to keep them clean!

Ever had a judge mark you down??? And what elvel are you competing hima t?

I dont mind scaring some horses haha


We've never been marked down for color or being a non-WB.....but what does happen is those drug testers just love my horse, and I've been tested mutiple times.....the testers just love to talk about riding a Palomino :yes:. It's no biggy. And you'll also get ALOT of folks coming up to you saying that there first horse was a Palomino...blah blah blah.

He's going PSG/Int1

[not again]

Does any one have pictures of Chuck Grant and Shine o Bit or Bit o Shine? I have his books and will try to get someone to scan a picture and post it. He did grand prix dressage plus a lot of high school circus with both of those palominos.

[dressageUK]

In the Uk there is a lovely palomino stallion Treliver Decanter, by the World Young Horse Champion Dimaggio so some pretty impressive bloodlines for dressage! Link to stud:http://www.treliverstud.co.uk/treliver%20decanter.htm

He has excellent conformation & paces - IME the conformation of many of the palomino & cremello stallions is not quality enough & would not be accepted in a bay horse!

[FriesianX]

VERY FEW judges would even think of his color as a plus or a minus! Here in CA, we are seeing more and more colored horses showing and doing well. It is definately a competitive show environment, color is irrelevant. I show a LOUDLY colored pinto stallion - have never received any comment on my tests, although a few judges have caught me at the end of the show or on a break just to comment on how much they LIKE him. Oh, not only is he brightly colored, he is quite obviously Baroque :yes:

Having just gone through the USDF L program, I can tell you conformation and color are totally irrelevant. Movement and training are what matters.

I'll also second the comment - made early on, there is a growing market for color. I feel, as long as movement, mind, and conformation are all good, color is a great bonus!

[Kyzteke]

I don't think that score should somehow depend on color, If the horse shows perfect dressage abilites! In Eastern Europe it is well know that warmblood horse can have palomino color comes through Akhal-Teke blood through the mare Ennam.

Also it is fact that pure blood of Akhal-Teke horses can be used for Warmblood breeding the same way as TB or Arabs.


How very true!

Here's an example of a Teke/WB cross (most of the photos were taken last spring, when the filly just turned 1 yr old):

http://pets.webshots.com/album/550707416TlVzcD?start=0

The dam was a 16.3hh GOV registered mare by Diamont. The sire is my cremello Akhal-Teke stallion "Kinor." This filly will be well over 16hh and has the grace of a ballerina -- she will be fantastic as either a dressage horse or eventing (both her sire & dam have a number of successful jumpers/eventing horses in their pedigree). She was good enough to earn a Silver Premium at her RPSI inspection, even though her butt was about 4 inches higher than her withers at that point (5 1/2 months old...), including a 7.5 for gaits.

Now she is filling out, yet she will still retain the refinement that makes her look so elegant when she moves.

I think the WB/Teke cross can be phenomenal -- especially if you use the older-style WBs and Tekes who are bred for sport -- not the real extreme, greyhound types. In the case of Kinor's foals, because he is a cremello the color is guaranteed, but it's the movement, conformation and attitude that makes the horse -- not the color.

I can't imagine most judges marking down a horse just because of it's color. I think we've gotten beyond that at this point. I like to think so at least...

[Kyzteke]

Once upon a time, there was a QH palomino stallion with lots of chrome in my area. When I started paying attention, he was bred to approximately 10 mares one season.

Results that I was aware of
-- a buckskin foaled by a chestnut


Never mind...enough color breeders on this page who beat me to it!

[petitefilly]

I love color. Maybe too much it seems, because I would rather ride the *loverly horses* before the plain jane ones. :)))) If they have color and are talented you get a double blessing I say.

[Kristen]

I am a hunter/jumper rider who incorporates (bad) dressage into my flatwork, so I have very little idea of what a dressage judge would think about color. But what the heck, here's my two cents anyways. On one of the threads in the H/J forum, someone recently posted about Denemethy and the belief that no good horse is a bad color - and wow, wouldn't it be great if everyone applied this thought today? I do think that people are more tolerant than a few years ago, and the days of seeing a pinto enter the ring and the spectators automatically wrinkling their noses are ending. Thank God. The color bias are so STUPID. If the palomino can perform just as well as the black horse, or the bay, or the grey, what is it that makes people want to write him off? It is a disgrace that any knowledgeable judge would do so. I also think (hope!) that the vast majority would judge him fairly. If I were judging, a little flashy color would perk my interest and stick in my brain a little easier after watching the sea of chestnuts and bays (though I suppose that could work against you if you ended up riding terribly!)

P.S. I like palominos, I think they're pretty and different and I sure as hell wouldn't pass on one that could kick some booty. One of my favorite jumpers is a palomino, and man, what I wouldn't give for him....

[TK]

The dam was a 16.3hh GOV registered mare by Diamont. The sire is my cremello Akhal-Teke stallion "Kinor."

Kinor is a great mover himself! I really like him! What a color! He is just beautiful! I hope you will get a lot of great foals by him!

[Feuerlilie]

Wow...it is great all the replies to this thread!

I love all the pics of palominos people are posting and the great stories too!

Sunny....please post some pics of your pallie! Sounds like a truly talented boy!
And yes I am already gettign comments like "I had a pallie when I was a kid" :rolleyes::rolleyes: Trying not to roll my eyes in view though!

Just a reminder though, I am not looking to buy a pallie, have had a few emails about this! I already have my golden boy...would love to buy another (his full sister is for sale now) but my hubby would kill me!

[Feuerlilie]

:lol:
This is the second time I have been asked this now
"So is he a throwback?"
:lol:
Wow.....how do you get a throwback to a palomino?? Never heard of it?
So I patiently then proceed to explain No he is 9th generation dilute...which means he has been pruposely bred for his colour with a warmblood breeding.
Throwback! lmao

[pinecone]

This is the second time I have been asked this now
"So is he a throwback?"

Genetics confound most people, lol.

As a judge I don't/wouldn't ever mark a horse down for color. period.

Breeding has come a long way. It wasn't so long ago when the only way most people bred for colour was by using non Warmblood/TB, and the resulting horses usually weren't as nice as their Warmblood counterparts. That caused some people to look down on coloured horses because the quality really was lower. That's where some of the perception of colour breeders breeding for colour and not quality came from, too. Now there are breeders breeding nice legitimate coloured Warmbloods and you no longer have to sacrifice quality to get colour. Breeding has come a long way, and this thread has had some great examples.

Feuerlilie, what is the breeding of your horse, or did you already say and I missed it? I bet he's quite nice.

[FriesianX]

Many of the colored WBs do have some non-WB in them. There is a bit of Saddlebred back there in many of the Dutch lines (which gave us some lovely pinto and dilute color options).

[magnum]

Charlotte Schickendanz had some "horses of a different color" when I was looking at her farm in around 2000. Wouldn't you know it? All of them sold before I got there!
:sadsmile:

Who among us did not dream about the golden horse with 4 white socks after watching Roy Rogers ?

Magnum

[pinecone]

Many of the colored WBs do have some non-WB in them. There is a bit of Saddlebred back there in many of the Dutch lines (which gave us some lovely pinto and dilute color options).

Yes, but it is fairly far back. Which just confirms what I said about how far we've come with breeding;). Thanks to some dedicated breeders we've now got true coloured Warmbloods and there is no longer such a need to go outside to introduce colour to a program. Although, to introduce colour from outside Saddlebred would be perhaps the best choice imo, although it's usually not the most obvious.

[NOMIOMI1]

SALLY!

That Appy is beautiful!

[Feuerlilie]

I love the appy too!

Okay so this is where some people get stuck with pallies.....the colour does not HAVE to be from a qhorse or arab...there were pallie tb's as well...but they have been registered as chestnut as a palli tb is not recognised!

Also stockhorses can have pallie colourig...and stockhorses can be anything from tb onwards.:)

[PiaffePlease]

I dont think a palomino colored horse would affect scoring. Paints and Palominos have become more popular in the past few years but I think Appys are still having a hard time.

[NOMIOMI1]

I dont think a palomino colored horse would affect scoring. Paints and Palominos have become more popular in the past few years but I think Appys are still having a hard time.

Ive never been judged unfairly on my appy. They just dont have a market :( The cool thing is from hunter to dressage Im usually the only one on an appy. A great way to have a judge remember/notice you!

[Sandy M]

Someone here once said a judge told her, 'nice ride, too bad it's a Palomino'. I doubt that was a decent judge. Most would realize the comment would be repeated ad nauseum for the next 72 years with their name prominently attached to it, even if it was a joke and didn't affect the score.

The comment was "Nice ride, too bad about the color." (so presumably a pinto or App would have been equally distasteful to that judge). Actually, it DID affect the score and very unfairly. Glowing comments and 5's and 6's. And palomino or not, the horse was 17.2 and looked like a WB and was a lovely mover (actually reg. QH, but about 15/16ths TB), so it was not a case where it was a well trained horse that was an average mover or not conformed to do dressage or many of the other possibilities. The rider, a pro, laughed it off. The Show organizers filed a complaint/report (whatever) against the judge. This was in the '80s, at a California show - but the judge was from the East Coast (may have been a factor?). I will agree that it probably wasn't a decent judge!!

[magnum]

There is a whole line of Dutch WB's with roaning in them and they handily offer international level gaits. Pretty bold roaning, as well. The middle aged ones are nearly white. I believe the sire has Rosso in his name?

Colored horses are WONDERFUL!

Magnum

[ToN Farm]

Im usually the only one on an appy. A great way to have a judge remember/notice you!
See, I think that is not a good thing for a judge to remember you. I wouldn't want a horse that was so different looking that it was easily recognized.

[atr]

Maybe I'm just naive, but I've not expereinced any predjudice, and I usually get nice comments from judges about my appy (see profile pic). Gary Rockwell thinks he is pretty darned nice :)

I love to see good horses of any color competing, and whilst my biggest soft spot is for appies, I do like a nice palomino!

[Lgd1]

If you like the colours check out these breeders

http://www.rollestone-farm.com/index.html (click on our horses for the drop down menu)

http://www.volatis.co.uk/

[greygirls]

There is another guy here in Australia, he posts on here as belambi. They breed a lot of paint and appaloosa sportshorses many of whom are now in USA. He was talking about this the other day, and pointed out to me that Apps are the ONLY coloured breed so far to have had olympic representation(and I believe they were very minimally marked?).

I'm probably going to date myself, but didn't Hugh Riley (sic) ride a palomino (US team) in the Olympics in the 50s or 60s? There was a Disney movie made about it: The Horse With the Flying Tail. But then my first horse ever was a palomino but had App in her too (speckles around the eyes was the only clue).

[Sandy M]

I believe that Broadcast News (NZ or Aus Olympic 3-day) was an unmarked App/TB cross, a solid bay.

Moga, a small GP level dressage App, did a demo or test ride at the '84 Olympics in LA, but was not on the team.

Sasquatch, another unmarked bay App/TB won Rolex (not called Rolex then) in 1985, ridden by Derek DiGrazia, I believe.

There was a US horse that competed at Rolex in 1978 that I would have sworn was a greyed-out Appy, but my recollection is his pedigree was documented TB - but he sure had strange facial markings, very like an Appy. Can't remember his name.

Don't know if there have been any other "stealth" Appies in the Olympics.

Pompadom, a Pinto (skewbald) ridden by Lorna Sutherland, won Badminton many years ago.

[ccoronios]

"Or do you think they will see past the colour and judge him according to his work? I know what the answer SHOULD be, but this doesnt always happen in REAL life!"


I have two comments:

1. Back in the day when hunters were ONLY TBs, one of the top working division strip horses in the country was a drop-dead gorgeous yellow horse named Tijuana Brass. Made me (and MANY judges) drool.

2. At a Lipizzaner keuring with Dr. Oulehla several years ago, someone asked what could be done to overcome the prejudice that judges were showing toward WBs. The response (one of few in English) was that if the judge could not or would not judge on quality and correctness, but only on preference, "you do not have judge, you have ASS". Damn near ate my (large, heavy, professional) videocamera.

[ccoronios]

"Funny, I was just joking about dying my palamino to bay coloring this evening with my trainer."

Again, 'back in the day', a woman showed a lovely, spectacular 5-gaited horse, who happened to be a beautiful dapple gray. Unfortunately, gray wasn't the color of choice in the Saddlebred world. Many judges commiserated with her "He'd have won the class if it weren't for his color." "Too bad he's gray - he'd win all over."

After hearing this one time too often (after a particularly large class where there really was NO DOUBT who should win), she fixed the problem. The next day, he wasn't gray any more. He was HOT PINK. You shoulda heard the gasps when she came ripping through the ingate. Never took her eye off the judge, either - stared him down the entire class.

[Sonesta]

The next day, he wasn't gray any more. He was HOT PINK. You shoulda heard the gasps when she came ripping through the ingate. Never took her eye off the judge, either - stared him down the entire class.

This is PRICELESS!

[cookie-monster]

So did he win??

[pintopiaffe]

Many of the colored WBs do have some non-WB in them. There is a bit of Saddlebred back there in many of the Dutch lines (which gave us some lovely pinto and dilute color options).

My guy's colour comes from an ASB back in the woodpile. He is 15/16ths Arab, RPSI Inspected and just waiting on ME to finish his approveal. (scores at 3rd)

ASB is a fabulous compliment to many types and breeds. And luckily, it comes with 'icing on the cake' too... in the form of BOTH dilutes *and* tobiano. :yes:

[vandenbrink]

I sure hope there is no bias. I have a palomino warmblood dressage prospect to sell in the next year or so:)

http://www.vandenbrink.ca/newhorsefiles/blondeboy1.JPG.

[TaliaCristianna]

I sure hope there is no bias. I have a palomino warmblood dressage prospect to sell in the next year or so:)

http://www.vandenbrink.ca/newhorsefiles/blondeboy1.JPG.

I'm with you... I have a baby coming this spring out of my silver buckskin overo mare (Ee Aa nZ nCr). She is in foal to a Spectrum bred B&W homozygous tobiano stallion, so the list of possible foal colors is quite exciting. I'm hoping for a silver buckskin, silvery smoky black, or palomino tovero. Regardless of color, this baby should be able to MOVE. That's the most important part!

http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8AcNnDdu5cOGFG&emid=sharview&linkid=link4

Your boy is absolutely gorgeous by the way...

[ccoronios]

No, the pink horse didn't win - I think she did it more to give the judge a ladylike 1-finger salute than anything else.

[Sandy M]

No, the pink horse didn't win - I think she did it more to give the judge a ladylike 1-finger salute than anything else.

Shades of the old Dorothy Lyons juvie fiction, "Harlequin Hullabaloo" back when Pinto Saddlebreds were a no-no rather than all the rage as they are these days!

[Feuerlilie]

LOVE the pink horse story! HAHA:D

[Elatu]

This is my Palomino wonder! An Arabian/Quarter horse. He's shown PSG and Int 1. Received 60's scores in his first season showing at those levels. I've never heard a bad word from the judges about him. He's also one of my schoolmasters.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c389/Elatu/mavmooresmall.gif

[Feuerlilie]

Elatu...he is just beautiful.....I am hoping my boy gets to that level!
You must be so proud!

I have been taking my golden boy with me when I have lessons on my bay warmblood mare. He stands in the stable watching us. I feel very proud when someone walks up and comments on how lovely he is :D

[MagicRoseFarm]

here is a son of our stallion Beste Gold, His dam is also the dam of another WB licensed son. I love his chrome!

[MagicRoseFarm]

I saw a very striking 3 year old Palomino stallion with all the right chrome

(stockings, blaze, gorgeous head) at the Morven Park DSHB breeding show this past weekend. I am not sure the direction the owners are planning to take him but he is by the Dutchbred stallion Torrero (http://www.kailuafarm.com/torrero.htm), who seems to have produced some very lovely horses in all disciplines...I spoke a bit with the owner, she seemed very nice and professional.

[lorilu]

I have not read this whole thread, but there is a palomino/cremello WB stallion that shows at our schooling shows and stands in FLorida. His name is Blue Eyed Dream and he is really nice. I saw him at our show on Sunday.... As a cremello, you know you will get palomino foals with the right mare....
Loretta

[Carol Ames]

right AJC1Hugh wiley rode nautical"The horse with flying tail"with the flying tail" found by Cappy smith;he was a jumper.

[Feuerlilie]

I think more and more riders are wanting something a littel different :D

I took my 2 year old pallie warmbllod to a breed show a couple of weeks ago...He won Supreme Champion Palomino as well as REserve Champion Warmblood...against some "normal" coloured warmbloods. Guess the judge looked through the colour and saw a nicely put together horse :yes:
I am pretty proud!!!:D

[goeslikestink]

Would love peoples thoughts on this.

Imagine a warmblood about 16.3 mark...so nice and tall......with lovely elevated movement and built elegantly entering the dressage arena. He is palomino....would this be a downfall? Do you think the judges will hate his colour and score him lower?

Or do you think they will see past the colour and judge him according to his work? I know what the answer SHOULD be, but this doesnt always happen in REAL life!

WE are talking about a quality animal here, bred for dressage abilites...not just for colour.










i sold a big palomino mare to a lt in the raf she competes in eventing so does all three eliments and does very well
its no the color look at blur cicle boy with para rider lee international standard and hes a dun
black mane and tail 4 white legs
its not the color but the performance of the horse and rider in question as in obediance

[PaddyUK]

i sold a big palomino mare to a lt in the raf she competes in eventing so does all three eliments and does very well
its no the color look at blur cicle boy with para rider lee international standard and hes a dun
black mane and tail 4 white legs
its not the color but the performance of the horse and rider in question as in obediance

GLS - have met "Gus" quite a few times as Lee Pearson is local to me, cracking horse - Lee let my God-daughter groom him so we could take a photo.

There are not that many big pals around here doing Affiliated dressage. I lost my big Palomino boy in 2000, and he did ok.

Although we were placed first at one show, the judge actually said to me later that he didn't like "Palominos" but that he was a good one:lol:

There are some cracking coloured horses competing, but only one that one big Palomino that I know of. So much like my lad, that I asked the breeding:D

A good horse comes in any colour as my dad always says.

Kindest regards

Paddy