PDA

View Full Version : Trouble in the nether reigons!!!



EasyStreet
Dec. 17, 2007, 10:39 PM
I am learning to ride dressage and love it but often get really sore in the "nether region." More specificlly my labia minoras are getting rubbed raw!!:eek: They do protrude beyond the majoras. I bought the dressage padded undies and they helped somewhat. I tried trimming the hair very short. I have days that my ride goes well with no "injuries". Then other days that I just have to stop riding. Then I have to give it a few days to heal so I miss my ride and that aggrivates me.:mad: My trainer says that she "loves" my seat but I can't help but think that I am doing something wrong to cause this. I decided to shave every thing off and todays ride went well although it was a short ride. I'll have to see how it goes next "regular" schooling session. I was wondering if anyone else has this problem and can give me any advice. I may look into having a cosmetic surgeon correct them if I can't get some relief. I just want to be sure it is not my position first. Thanks all.;)

Dalfan
Dec. 17, 2007, 11:10 PM
I've been there. Check that you are not "perching" in the saddle. Even a slight forward tilt of your pelvis can result in rubs. Seat bones should be straight down. Also, check the twist of your saddle. Good luck.

LD1129
Dec. 17, 2007, 11:17 PM
I've been there. Check that you are not "perching" in the saddle. Even a slight forward tilt of your pelvis can result in rubs. Seat bones should be straight down. Also, check the twist of your saddle. Good luck.

I agree fully with what Dalfan said! I never had the problem personally but I have had friends that would sit more forward on their crotch instead of the seat bones. Once they sat further back they did not have the problem anymore. It could look very similar from your instructor watching on the ground if you are leaning too far with your pelvis or on your seat bones. Try some different positions and have your instructor watch so you get into the right position.

If you have check your sitting position then it could be saddle fit. Try a narrow and wide and see if it makes a difference, even if you have to borrow a saddle from someone for a lesson. I know I can not ride in a narrow twist or everything hurts :sadsmile:

A Horse of Course
Dec. 17, 2007, 11:25 PM
I don't have the perching problem, and I easily have the OPs problems if I am not in a saddle that fits me, which isn't very many I'm afraid.

I would definitely look at saddle fit, and try out some other high quality saddles with different seat types.

eqeq
Dec. 17, 2007, 11:40 PM
OK, since we're on this, umm, touchy subject, I'm frequently plagued with boil-like lumps, mostly on what WOULD be the pantyline area of the crotch, but occasionally further out onto my inner thigh. Like an in-grown hair on steroids. I also use the padded bikeshort types, but it doesn't always help. I'm in mostly custom high quality saddles. Is this just the life? I do ride several a day, but this halts me in my tracks..

dressage72
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:14 AM
OK, since we're on this, umm, touchy subject, I'm frequently plagued with boil-like lumps, mostly on what WOULD be the pantyline area of the crotch, but occasionally further out onto my inner thigh. Like an in-grown hair on steroids. I also use the padded bikeshort types, but it doesn't always help. I'm in mostly custom high quality saddles. Is this just the life? I do ride several a day, but this halts me in my tracks..

I'm sorry, but am I the ONLY one gagging over this entire thread!!!!???

Ahhhhh.....the visuals that I so didn't need! And while we are on the subject cosmetic surgery to fix what? :eek: Ahhhhh!!! Oh no forget I asked!!!

Sabine
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:44 AM
I'm sorry, but am I the ONLY one gagging over this entire thread!!!!???

Ahhhhh.....the visuals that I so didn't need! And while we are on the subject cosmetic surgery to fix what? :eek: Ahhhhh!!! Oh no forget I asked!!!

Now that's what I call a thread killer- jeez lady- what's so bad about discussing these things on a predominantly female board? I know that also some guys I know that ride dressage have the same problem- boils especially.
Now the OP problem to me has to potentially do with:

The saddle twist
Hair getting in the way
position- being way to much on the 'front' and not enough on the 'butt'.
being really out of alignment (this applies when only one side gets rubbed raw- then you know for sure that you are not straight and even- time for a really good chiro...

just my 5c and please carry on....in case you need some good chiro referrals - please pm me.

dressage72
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:49 AM
Now that's what I call a thread killer- jeez lady- what's so bad about discussing these things on a predominantly female board? I know that also some guys I know that ride dressage have the same problem- boils especially.
Now the OP problem to me has to potentially do with:

The saddle twist
Hair getting in the way
position- being way to much on the 'front' and not enough on the 'butt'.
being really out of alignment (this applies when only one side gets rubbed raw- then you know for sure that you are not straight and even- time for a really good chiro...

just my 5c and please carry on....in case you need some good chiro referrals - please pm me.

I have NEVER ever been a thread killer, but there are certain things you just don't post about......shaving pubic hair being one of them.

It is a public board that anybody can read....including men sooooo

GreekDressageQueen
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:53 AM
I used to ride a client's horse who had a Schleese saddle - it would rub me raw! I had to use Anti Monkey-Butt powder, full-seats, and padded undies. It would still hurt. I have never had a problem in my saddles (a Niedersuss, a Prestige, and an Amerigo) so I assume it has to do with the saddle brand and/or seat style and not my particular riding style.

OP - you could also try a gel saddle seat cover, which would give you some more cushion. I know some H/J people who use them - I think Dover sells them in case you want to check it out.

As for boils - ew! - I think they are ingrown hairs from rubbing. Honestly? I lance them with a needle, pop them, and rub alcohol 3-4 times a day and they go away very fast.

GreekDressageQueen
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:55 AM
I have NEVER ever been a thread killer, but there are certain things you just don't post about......shaving pubic hair being one of them.

It is a public board that anybody can read....including men sooooo

But we can talk about sewing a mare's vulva lips in a caslick's operation over in the Sport Horse Breeding forum. Why are we afraid to talk about our vaginas? What is this - a 1950's forum?

dressage72
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:02 AM
But we can talk about sewing a mare's vulva lips in a caslick's operation over in the Sport Horse Breeding forum. Why are we afraid to talk about our vaginas? What is this - a 1950's forum?

:rolleyes: Totally different....but carry on!;)

Sabine
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:11 AM
I have NEVER ever been a thread killer, but there are certain things you just don't post about......shaving pubic hair being one of them.

It is a public board that anybody can read....including men sooooo

says who...??? 80% of our youth is shaving their private areas- if you haven't been aware- please be.
Men- well they Know about that fact...LOL! and most of the ones who read this- really just grin...!
(and I mean this very kindly- it's really not such a big deal).

fullmoon fever
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:30 AM
I have NEVER ever been a thread killer, but there are certain things you just don't post about......shaving pubic hair being one of them.

It is a public board that anybody can read....including men sooooo

Yup, it's a public board (or should that be pubic?). However, most of us don't use our names and if we want to be completely anonymous can use an alter. I have absolutely no problem telling the WWW that I don't shave my pubes...I use Veet instead. :lol:

ROFLMAO. If reading about "nether regions" worries you, don't open threads with such obvious titles.

I'm sure there are 1,000s of men out there Googling for women with the "Inverness" problem and rushing over to COTH for their fix of pube shave threads. :rolleyes:

eqeq
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:37 AM
d72,

I'm thinking you've never suffered from either of these concerns. Those of us who have couldn't care less WHO knows if it'd solve the problem and get us back in the saddle...

and

Yes, I've tried the lancing and used tea tree oil and neosporin - think alcohol is better??

Peggy
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:41 AM
As the above poster alluded, try doing a search on the Inverness Problem. You will find a wealth of information.

dressage72
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:45 AM
No never had a problem. Sorry if I find it strange....I dunno. Believe me I have teenagers and am fine to talk about anything.....and I mean anything!!! Just found it so odd to be posted on the board. I just have never seen anything like that posted, but if it helps somebody I guess I'm all for it! ;)

*Edited to add after I went and searched: I had no idea there was such a thing as labiaplasty!! My goodness I didnt realize you could alter Miss Puss's lips!! Learn something new everyday!

redkat
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:48 AM
To the OP: I feel your pain. When I'm not riding horses, I'm on a bike, and while having similar problems I thought I'd try the cyclist's solution. It totally works for riding horses, too. Get thee to REI and find some Chamois Butt'r (http://www.rei.com/product/628122?vcat=REI_SEARCH). It's an anti-chafing cream that conditions the skin and softens the fabrics causing the friction, and it really, really works. It also lasts for hours, as it's meant to hold up to the demands of the long distance cyclist.

Just slather it on the parts having issues as well as the seams of your breeches and undergarments (I don't quite slather there, just a light coating,) and while it won't solve position or tack issues, it should stop the rawness.

I would give this a try before contemplating surgery. Good luck!

citydog
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:59 AM
Try different saddles. :yes:

Until you find one that works, a sheepskin seat saver is your friend.

Tiligsmom
Dec. 18, 2007, 02:15 AM
I'm actually with d72 on this one. It's like an accident...I don't want to look/read, but have to because I find it so bizarre to address this publicly!

I read because it amazes me that people write about this type of "stuff" on a bb! I wonder how people will respond. The first bizarre thread was the labiaplasty thread. I thought it was a troll, baiting the board, but as I read on, I realized it was for real.

Geeeezzzz, you know what they say...different strokes....

AllWeatherGal
Dec. 18, 2007, 02:26 AM
I've been there. Check that you are not "perching" in the saddle. Even a slight forward tilt of your pelvis can result in rubs. Seat bones should be straight down. Also, check the twist of your saddle. Good luck.

Yep, yep.

It's ... well, enough to make a person quit riding.

Tilt your pelvis back so you're sitting on the BACK edge of what you think are your seat bones, not what might seem like directly on top. Your horse will thank you for it, too. Made all the difference in my ability to sit a big trot.

And yes to checking the saddle as well. It happened to me in a saddle that's too small. Don't be vain about using an 18" saddle ... nobody needs to know the size ;) ... just buy what works for you.

Re: the boils ... I used to have them, too. (Sorry ... if this grosses you out, don't read! But believe me, it's worse to have.) Change right away after you ride. Change everything ... wear dry clothes that are air-permeable. And powder with corn starch. Yep, that's what my doctor recommended.

I also got a perscription for clinamyacin ... it's a topical that helps them go away very quickly. I really would see a doctor about this to be sure the boils aren't a symptom of something worse ... and if not, ask for the solution. It's been wonderful for me.

Btw, the more correctly I sit, the less frequently I have boils. In fact, I can't remember the last time!!

Rhyadawn
Dec. 18, 2007, 03:04 AM
I'm in the camp of hair is just not meant to be in some places no matter that God put it there. It catches on things, and rubs on things, irritates things, no no no! However good hygene, keeping dry and possibly powdered, sitting properly in the saddle, all of these things make this a much more comfortable experience for some of us ladies.

Re the boils/cysts. Sitting in a hot bath for 10 minutes a day really helps. Afterwards drying off, powdering. Be careful with shaving, you might unfortunatly not be able to shave, only keep things short.

And on the matter of men, I have been told by a few male friends that ride that they too suffer by times in the saddle. Though when they discuss it its usually not at a board and it often includes some obscene gestures and poses :lol:;)

RiddleMeThis
Dec. 18, 2007, 03:51 AM
I'm actually with d72 on this one. It's like an accident...I don't want to look/read, but have to because I find it so bizarre to address this publicly!

I read because it amazes me that people write about this type of "stuff" on a bb! I wonder how people will respond. The first bizarre thread was the labiaplasty thread. I thought it was a troll, baiting the board, but as I read on, I realized it was for real.

Geeeezzzz, you know what they say...different strokes....
This is to you and D72

She can't ride because this is effecting her so bad. Who would know better on what to do about it then people who have possibly dealt with it before? How many threads are on this board alone about Drs not understanding about riding?

Look at it this way something is wrong with your knee do you go to a shoulder specialist? No you go to a knee specialists. Why go somewhere where the people most likely have no idea what goes on and are likely to suggest to her to just stop riding instead of a place where people ride and possibly have done this before?

I don't understand why it is wrong to talk about this? It is a health issue, not a porn issue.
Every female has one. How is asking for help so bad? How is this thread or the Labiaplasty one a train wreck?

Hazelnut
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:28 AM
Health issue affecting ride...woman needs educated responses...this seems like a great place to ask the questions. We all get educated.

carry on...

JRG
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:34 AM
Thank you to the original poster for bringing this up. I too have been a fellow sufferer and have gotten lots of tips from other people that had the same problem. My new issue was the ingrown hairs and a bald patch.

What helped me was:

1)the monkey butt powder,

2)mens underwear the kind that goes farther down the leg then just at the top of the leg.

3)A very close trim,

4)tucking things

5)if all that fails, knowing when to stop before it gets bad.

How is that for too much information!

Trixie's mom
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:59 AM
definitely try another saddle...pommels are nasty when they hit you wrong.

Trakehner
Dec. 18, 2007, 08:11 AM
OK...an "interesting" thread as a guy...but I had to deal with this problem with my female students.

Part of the problem is that too many women try to do the seat position that works naturally for guys, but that is horrid for girls. There's a whole different pelvic angle and pressure on different areas of the anatomy with women riders compared to guys (it's why we can ride in jeans with no problem but a lot of women suffer with that big front seam and their nether regions).

Saddles...a lot more a part of the problem than anything else. Crosby stuff tends to be guy cripplers. Passier/Stubben and the most other German stuff seems to fit a lot of riders. I believe a lot of the new stuff (huge pommels, knee rolls and basically a Spanish Riding Academy built up monstrosity) which don't allow the rider to adjust their position cause a lot of problems. If you have to fit the saddle vs. having it adjust to you....you're going to have problems unless you're the 5% of riders the saddle was designed for.


Find a saddle that actually fits you, sit to your anatomical design, be non-hirsuit if that's your style and have fun....SURGERY! Ack!!! Try a new saddle first.

tollertwins
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:01 AM
It sounds like your saddle isn't giving you enough support to not tilt forward, or the combination of the saddle, your horse, and your seat aren't working.

Try using a seat saver for awhile. If it goes away - it's your saddle.

EasyStreet
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:21 AM
Thank you all for sharing. I have a feeling that if I concentrate on my pelvic tilt that my be the culpert as I sometimes can ride for days or weeks without a problem then all of a sudden...OUCH! If it were the saddle wouldn't the rubbing be constant? However I will try riding in a few others. I have started Slathering desitin before riding but was glad to hear the is a product made especially for this...will give it a try. I sooo appreciate all the help. And to those who were and may be offended by this thread......sorry but this is a genuine seeking of help from a sorce that I was sure that had or at least knew someone who had experienced this problem. I thought that I posed the question in a fairly clinical venacular...evidently not enough for some. There were NO sexual comments or improper referals to body parts (except possibly spelling:lol:.) I do respect your right to disagree...but donot understand why if you are so offended that you continue readind and replying to this thread. Many TV shows cover topics way more quesionable then this and we all have the option of not watching. Offending people on this BB was not my intention However I got the good advice I was seeking here..So I am glad I posted it!! :yes:Thanks again to all who offered advice.!!!;)

SillyHorse
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:46 AM
I suffered terribly for months, to the point where I thought I'd have to stop riding. Fortunately, I found that by switching to cotton briefs, learning to sit up on my seatbones, and as JRG suggested, "tucking up," things are much, much better. I'm a bit chafed once in a while, but no more blood.

A CoTH member posted under an alter during October or November, writing that she had such a severe problem that she was going to have labiaplasty at the end of November. The thread was in Off Course.

Good luck -- I hope you find your solution soon.

SillyHorse
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:52 AM
Sorry you're so put off by a woman asking for help with a problem that could keep her from riding.

edited to add: Thank you for editing your post.

Dalfan
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:21 AM
2)mens underwear the kind that goes farther down the leg then just at the top of the leg.

This is a good idea. Seamless as well. I will say nylon vs. nylon is a bad idea. Cotton undies -good idea.

Saddle fit is obviously important, but the twist is the key, at least for me. I have a Wintec ISabell, as did my instructor. In one I would rub, in the other no problems. The narrow twist saddle would give me problems.

My former instructor - a young man, very, very good rider - would tell of peeling off his stuck-to-his-skin bloodied undies in the bath on occasion. Of course he would ride 6-8 horses a day, a lot of sitting trot. So boys have problems too - just different than one would assume.

egontoast
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:25 AM
I am very sorry for all of you people who are suffering from boils and sores
on your netherlands.

Samrdr1
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:34 AM
TOO MUCH INFORMATION !

Tom N

SaddleFitterVA
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:36 AM
eggy,

I opened it wondering, is this "the Inverness Problem" or is this about the Netherlands.:lol:

As for those getting their panties in a wad over the topic...don't read it. I think it is much less embarassing for some to ask under an anonymous screenname than to talk about such at hing in person with someone. Not to mention, go read some archives, you'll see that people ride commando, in thongs, in granny panties, shaved, never shaved, in pantyhose, etc. If you don't treat the topic with some humor and actually talk about it, people will likely give up riding. Then, go find the threads by female instructors, asking the men how to help some male student keep his parts out of harms way while riding. Good stuff.:winkgrin:

Saddle fit and seat position are the best places to start. The things to look at in the seat are how flat it is, front to back, is it a deep curve or is there a flat space. How wide is it where your crotch contacts the saddle? Once you look at that on the saddle you ride in, start looking at other models and sitting in them.

I need a wide twist, flat seat saddle to be comfortable sitting for long periods of time. I have friends who need a narrow twist, scoopy seat. There is no one right shape for all people.

Samrdr1
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:51 AM
Seriously, try a different saddle. I've had saddles in the past that were obviously "girls" saddles

Fortunate result of this thread : obviously many of you ladies have had a problem and hopefully through this you will find common solutions.

Unfortunate result : I'll never be able to watch a woman riding dressage again without thinking, " I wonder if she has pubic boils."

Tom N

europa
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:59 AM
To pluck or not to pluck......that is the question :)

Sorry....I couldn't resist!

This thread is just plain scary.

egontoast
Dec. 18, 2007, 11:04 AM
Unfortunate result : I'll never be able to watch a woman riding dressage again without thinking, " I wonder if she has pubic boils."



:lol:

kahjul
Dec. 18, 2007, 11:05 AM
Went through similar issues, and went through 2 off the rack and 2 custom saddles. My current saddle-a lemke-causes no problems at all. I never had this issue before this horse. She is very wide, the saddle maker did everything she could to accomodate both of us, and I've changed the way I pad to get the most protection in the thinest padding.

alliekat
Dec. 18, 2007, 11:09 AM
As for those getting their panties in a wad over the topic...don't read it.


Well now, if they have their panties in a wad they will probally need the advice given here sooner than later.:eek: ;):lol:

Seriously. This is something that I am sure many women who ride deal with. I can't believe that a discussion looking for information would offend some.

I guess it is a more "tender" subject than I originally thought.(Couldn't help myself)

Great advice has been given here.

Dalfan
Dec. 18, 2007, 11:17 AM
To pluck or not to pluck......that is the question

You must be kidding!! Your threshhold for pain must be very high, if you pluck.


Unfortunate result : I'll never be able to watch a woman riding dressage again without thinking, " I wonder if she has pubic boils."

I have the same curiosity when watching men ride. How in the world do you keep them safe and out of the way?

Samrdr1
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:06 PM
.



I have the same curiosity when watching men ride. How in the world do you keep them safe and out of the way?

For some of us it's easier than for others :-(

Sometimes one doesn't.

Saddle seat cut back and western saddles, no problen. For deeper seat jumping or dressage saddles, saddle choice is VERY VERY important.

Tom N

europa
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:12 PM
I have often wondered about the men who look like they are grape smugglers....that cannot be comfortable at all.


For heaven's sake people camel toes and grape smuggling is OUT!!

I would never pluck.....OWWWWW WEEEEEE....I just wrote it for giggles.

AllWeatherGal
Dec. 18, 2007, 12:33 PM
thank you egg and others adding great humor! It's a serious topic and deserving of the traditional CoTH jokes :)

And as Trak points out, men who teach women *should* be aware of some of the specific issues, even if they're not in a position (or comfortable with) to give advice.

moonriverfarm
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:11 PM
Ack! Ack! Ack!
I have never had issue with my privates and riding. I...CANNOT...IMAGINE!
I would definitely look into surgery as I am sure this is not the only "sport" affected by hanging bits.

LeopardBay
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:16 PM
Make sure u are sitting straight on the saddle!!
I had a similar problem for a long time... blamed my jods, blamed my underwear, blamed teh saddle.
Then someone watched me ride and realised I was sitting to the left ever so slightly. Once i fixed that the problem solved itself!

Now if i feel i am getting sore, then i know to assess the straighness issue.

tollertwins
Dec. 18, 2007, 01:52 PM
Also makes a difference if your pelvis is 'flatter' or 'more arched'....I think that the reactor panel people have something about this on their website.

If you're arched and the seat is flat - you tend to tip forward. If you're flat and the pommel is steep - it's kind of like trying to ride a 2x4.....

Tiligsmom
Dec. 18, 2007, 02:34 PM
Puuuuuleeeezzz....the OP would have received the same good advice had she said "I'm experiencing chafing in the nether regions, what should I do". People would have said, sheep skin, saddle fitting, gel pads, Glide, change in position, etc.... You can do a search on other posts in the past to get similar advice without so much gratuitous, graphic detail.

As I said, I'm not offended by this string, just think it's bizarre that someone would choose to offer so much detailed info when less info would have yielded excellent help.

europa
Dec. 18, 2007, 02:46 PM
You will know there is a REAL problem when this happens

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u134/maiarosie/borat-preview-1.jpg

Auventera Two
Dec. 18, 2007, 03:09 PM
To the OP -

So sorry you're having these issues. I cannot IMAGINE. :eek: I do very long trail rides, and endurance, and I'm in the saddle for hours at a time. Honestly - you have to wear really good cotton, boy-shorts undies, or none at all. Anything with a hard seam in the crotch is a disaster. Anything nylon is a disaster. And for goodness sakes woman - buy yourself an Intuition razor and say buh-bye to the fuzzies. All of it. Seriously. It only contributes to more moisture and more rubbing. When I started logging time in the saddle in miles and hours versus 30 or 40 minute dressage lessons I learned real fast that the nether regions is pretty darned important. It is the main thing connecting you to the horse. Now how scary is that!! I can be in the saddle for 7 hours straight and don't get so much as the tinest rub, but it did take a little experimenting and brainstorming to figure out what worked. And believe me, the hair was the #1 contributing factor to discomfort. :) I'm with the poster who believes that hair just flat does NOT belong in certain areas. But with dressage, you maintain such a deep seat for so long, whereas I'm posting and two pointing a lot. So with that much deep seat contact, I would imagine the fuzzies would be even more of a problem. yikes.

I wasn't at all freaked out by this thread. This is a real problem for people who ride horses because, lets face it, that's a lot of force and movement chafing against the most sensitive area of your body. It's something every rider will have to deal with sooner or later.

SillyHorse
Dec. 18, 2007, 03:10 PM
Why are so many skeeved out by the mere mention of these parts of the female anatomy? The OP chose to offer details. So what? Some of you really need to grow up.

citydog
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:03 PM
Saddles...a lot more a part of the problem than anything else. Crosby stuff tends to be guy cripplers. Passier/Stubben and the most other German stuff seems to fit a lot of riders. I believe a lot of the new stuff (huge pommels, knee rolls and basically a Spanish Riding Academy built up monstrosity) which don't allow the rider to adjust their position cause a lot of problems.

Absolutely. :yes:


This is a good idea. Seamless as well. I will say nylon vs. nylon is a bad idea. Cotton undies -good idea.

I would disagree. Cotton does! not! work! for me in the saddle, regardless of cut or style. I have had the best luck with the Under Armour undies and the Techwick ones from EMS. But those are performance synthetics, so maybe the fake silk type synthetic undies are even worse than cotton.



I would definitely look into surgery as I am sure this is not the only "sport" affected by hanging bits.

Yeah, sure, risk death, incontinence, and loss of sensation before trying saddle, grooming, clothing or position changes. :rolleyes:

But I guess as some posters have indicated they'd rather various parts and topics just go away rather than be addressed in any manner that might necessitate actually <gasp> talking about it, it's not all that surprising.

SerenaGinger
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:03 PM
To the OP - I don't live in Ocala but have used Ideal Image and can recommend them! You have an Ideal Image in Ocala. It takes a while to get to the end result (like over a year) but so well worth it!

http://www.idealimage.com/ocala-gainesville/ocala-fl.php

Petstorejunkie
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:18 PM
Tips for the girlie bits

cotton panties with cotton covered elastic (i think walmart sells a brand called form fit) Loff them! make sure they fit tight so that they dont shift or bunch. This keeps everything in it's place and by having the elastic covered it prevents those ouchy bumps!

if your labia minora protude, hide behind your horsey and "tuck them in" before hopping on. that paired with the tight panties usually does the trick.

Don't shave the day of. Short is good, gone is not. I usually ride every other day, and have found shaving parts on the days i dont ride prevents chaffing.

when all else fails, hubby came up with this one for himself. Padded biking shorts and sliquid silver (a silicone based lubricant) I have never tried this method, but he swears by it for hiking, biking and riding horses....

hitchinmygetalong
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:19 PM
To the OP -

So sorry you're having these issues. I cannot IMAGINE. :eek: I do very long trail rides, and endurance, and I'm in the saddle for hours at a time. Honestly - you have to wear really good cotton, boy-shorts undies, or none at all. Anything with a hard seam in the crotch is a disaster. Anything nylon is a disaster.

Cotton USED to be the #1 choice. That was before the new microfiber technology hit the "unmentionables" section of Target. Cotton ABSORBS - I would think a wicking fabric would be much better.


And for goodness sakes woman - buy yourself an Intuition razor and say buh-bye to the fuzzies. All of it. Seriously. It only contributes to more moisture and more rubbing.

Actually, the "fuzzies" are there for a reason - protection. And not everyone can shave their "fuzzies" without some very unpleasant side effects. I would strongly advise anyone who hasn't already said "buh-bye" to their "fuzzies" to reconsider the above advice.

If anyone is sitting in a position that creates chafing of their TRUE "nether regions" (labia majora if I remember my human anatomy lecture correctly) then they might think of changing their riding position along with their underwear. :)

philosoraptor
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:29 PM
I don't have any wisdom to add. My only comment is what is already said: check your position and try a different shaped saddle. I've never had discomfort that bad, but the few times I did feel uncomfortable in my "Netherlands" it was due to those two things.

I just wanted to say thanks to those who discussed this topic. It's the kind of thing a family doctor wouldn't have an answer for... so where else could a rider get advice? It's wonderful that we have a place where we can get help. Thanks, COTH!

I understand the hesitation about talking about certian topics. I'm old enough to remember when Monostat and Viagra weren't advertised every night on TV. This week on my favorite station is a big ad campaign by Preparation H Wipes. If I have to hear daily ads for buttwipes, a little constructive discussion about riding comfort isn't going to hurt.

FriesianX
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:57 PM
I'm with CityDog - you may need a new saddle :( We are not all built the same. I went through it for years too - and tried a lot of different things, but it is the saddle fit that makes a difference. Some women do very well with steep rises, others need a flat seat (that doesn't mean you can have a deep saddle, but you need a flat area with a shallow rise). Some women need bigger thigh rolls, others don't. Most saddles are designed by, drum roll, I'll give you a hint, not women...... MEN!

Go saddle shopping, it will make a huge difference...

NMK
Dec. 18, 2007, 04:58 PM
OTC Monistat Creme. End of problem. Seriously. Just a little dab will do ya.

N

eqsiu
Dec. 18, 2007, 05:11 PM
OTC Monistat Creme. End of problem. Seriously. Just a little dab will do ya.

N

Desitin works better, even for yeast related itching.

eqsiu
Dec. 18, 2007, 05:13 PM
And really now...

*dances and sings to the tune of (Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty*

chafe chafe chafe, chafe chafe chafe, chafe your p*ssy, chafe your p*ssy!

moonriverfarm
Dec. 18, 2007, 05:17 PM
Citydog: A new saddle is not going to make her inner "lips" smaller, and that is what the OP said the problem is. If the inners hang out of the outers, when you sit, there is pinching. I have never read a testimonial regarding labiaplasty that even mentioned incontinence - one is not having surgery on one's bladder or urethra. I'd certainly look into it as saddle fit will NOT fix the real problem. Just MHO.

Samantha37
Dec. 18, 2007, 05:52 PM
OP-
Sorry you are having trouble :( I notice when I ride for long periods of time, I can chafe pretty easily... I bought some Body Glide and it works really well- it comes in a stick like deoderant... I was having trouble with ingrown hairs... I also stopped riding in jeans!!! I love my jeans when I am just goofing off or on the trail but I have noticed that I don't chafe as badly when I am wearing breeches...
I would DEFINITELY look at saddle fit.. Especially if this is a relatively new problem.

And to the people who are "grossed out".. don't read the thread.. get over yourselves

dressage72
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:01 PM
if your labia minora protude, hide behind your horsey and "tuck them in" before hopping on. that paired with the tight panties usually does the trick.

Ok, I can't take it anymore! I swear beyond thinking this thread is so gross (seriously lancing things?!?) it is so hysterical I can't take it anymore!

The quote above made me just lose it! Can you imagine taking a clinic with Scott Hassler or Conrad Schumacher and HIDING behind your horse?? What if your horse moves? Are you then "caught" in the act?? I mean seriously Ummm sorry Scott, I just had to tuck my "junk" in!!!!!

BWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!

I promise you all I am the most open minded person with a pretty sick sense of humor, and I could have the biggest, most floppy lips around or the smallest ones that you couldn't even see. BUT would I want ANY OF YOU to know or imagine WHAT I have? MY GOD NO!

Can you imagine? What if I go to sell one of my babies, and you come out to my place. And the light bulb goes on in one of your heads remembering this thread! OH YEA, your the one with the big, floppy & raw va jay jay! :eek:

For the love of God people have some pride in your PRIVATES! THAT IS WHY THEY ARE REFERRED TO AS PRIVATES! If you have an issue with them see a doctor, talk to a friend/trainer, but keep this off here!

Next time I see many of you ride I sooooooo do not want to wonder what is going on down there!

Samantha37
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:05 PM
Dressage72- seriously... if you are so grossed out... STOP READING...

This is obviously not an uncommon problem... Nobody is being crude- people are using medical terms and this IS a medical problem that she is seeking help for, she just wanted some advice from fellow riders..

MistyBlue
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:07 PM
Well, I'm keeping my privates private. ;) But then mine don't give me any trouble either. Thank goodness.
Just wanted to mention to Trak and his post about all the built up saddles...gotta agree 100%. Not only is it annoying as heck having a saddle trying to pick a position for me...but then it wants to keep me in that position. Not sure how people ride in something with more add-ons than can be counted because I know I have to change parts of my position depending on what the horse is doing. And those saddles are just as uncomfy to women...a deep seat/high pommel can hurt. :eek:
As for shaving entirely...erm...maybe it's just me but I *really* don't want the pre-pubescent look. :no:

InsideLeg2OutsideRein
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:43 PM
And I thought this was gonna be a thread about Rollkur/Anky/Coby... :winkgrin:

Tiligsmom
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:46 PM
The quote above made me just lose it! Can you imagine taking a clinic with Scott Hassler or Conrad Schumacher and HIDING behind your horse?? What if your horse moves? Are you then "caught" in the act?? I mean seriously Ummm sorry Scott, I just had to tuck my "junk" in!!!!!

BWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!




ROFLOL!!! What a visual! It's obviously politically incorrect to challenge the necessity of posting about one's "privates". Clearly, if we were enlightened or mature, we would have no problem sharing detailed info with this forum about our minoras, majoras, clitoras and pubic boils. Yeeesh.

And yes, I'm drawn to this thread because it is so bizarre. Similar to watching Dr Phil - strange, but intriguing.

Aggie4Bar
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:51 PM
I find the discussion... enlightening? :lol: Not sure what word I'm looking for. I would think saddle style and perching are likely the culprits. Could be "conformation", I suppose. Or maybe your breeches are too short in the crotch when you sit? :confused:

Honestly, I've never had the problems alluded to in this thread. I ride in jeans almost exclusively, have never been rubbed, and absolutely cannot imagine having anything tuckable (:eek:) down there.

royal militron
Dec. 18, 2007, 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dressage72 View Post
The quote above made me just lose it! Can you imagine taking a clinic with Scott Hassler or Conrad Schumacher and HIDING behind your horse?? What if your horse moves? Are you then "caught" in the act?? I mean seriously Ummm sorry Scott, I just had to tuck my "junk" in!!!!!

BWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!



************************************************** *******************

Oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just have to say that made me laugh so hard at work, now I have to hide under my desk. I think this thread is bizarre, but very interesting. If I had this problem, I know I'd sure gather a lot of info from here. I do agree though some of you need to grow up, who cares how detailed people get... Stop reading if it bothers you.

NRB
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:04 PM
Honastly folks a family Dr isn't going to be of much help in this situation. I do think that it's best for the OP to ask for help and advice from fellow women riders who have been there done that. I really think that's what this BB is for, to provide usefull feedback. I personally don't think that the OP has written anything offensive. If it offends you then for the love of god stop opening the thread and reading it.

alliekat
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:05 PM
Can you imagine? What if I go to sell one of my babies, and you come out to my place. And the light bulb goes on in one of your heads remembering this thread! OH YEA, your the one with the big, floppy & raw va jay jay! :eek:


I guess I am crazy when I sell a horse I look at things like, how they will care for my horse, references and over all feeling I get from them.....not what their Va jay jay looks like.

Grow up. It's not like you can pick out what it looks like "down there" I believe it is hereditary.

Oh no...The OP is my mom:eek::eek:
:eek:

goeslikestink
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:30 PM
ok 1st thing you should do if riding english as donno about weatern dressage or what you call it
is to check your stirrup lenght
so
put your arm outstretch and place your 2nd finger tip on the stirrup bar (where the leather goes)
then with your other hand take hold of the stirrup tread pull along your out stretch arm
if the stirrup is half way up arm its to short
if the stirrup tread folds and you got the leather in armpit its to long
the tread must reach your armpit

to jump up one or two for dressage low one hole or 2 forn gernal purpose keep the same lenght

the position - sit in saddle a distrbiute your weight evenly down through your schoulders to your hips and into your ankles - then frust the bust
and wear cotton-- nappy rash cream help any type
but its the nylon and can include your jodpurs so have a cotton mix type and a size bigger at waist than what you are then they wont go in crevacies making you raw

Daydream Believer
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:33 PM
I used to have a rubbing problem when I rode in treed saddles. The twist would rub my front area and the hair there would pull and pinch. My old Wintec Pro was terrible but nearly any dressage saddle would bother me. I switched to treeless 3 years ago and the rubbing completely stopped. Treeless saddles can have other issues but rubbing down there is not one of them due to the lack of a twist or a hard area in the front. So far the best treeless saddle I have found that suits me and my horse is the EE Fhoenix. It has a memory foam seat and you sink right into it...no friction or rubbing at all as you don't move and it is very supportive at the same time. There is nothing hard under you either to chafe. I realize a new saddle might be an expensive solution but I am with the other posters who suggest that is probably your biggest problem.

Coreene
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:39 PM
And I thought this was gonna be a thread about Rollkur/Anky/Coby... :winkgrin:You mean, instead of a vagina monologue? :lol:

alter pain
Dec. 18, 2007, 07:53 PM
I am the OP for the Labiaplasty thread. I am scheduled for the surgery tomorrow. I too have the oversized problem with the inner labia hanging below the labia majora. The pinching is very uncomfortable.

I have done a lot of research on this. I have switched saddles, tried to sit on my seatbones properly, seat saver, padded underwear, lubricants, estrogen, etc. It just will not solve this problem. Several posters have been very kind and asked about the surgery. I originally had it scheduled for last month but it didn't work out. So I'm about to eat my last meal in preparation for this. Just to get everyone up to speed, my problem is also difficult in almost any clothing so I'm not doing it just for the riding aspect of my life. But it really has damaged my ability to sit and progress for years.

I had many people PM me and say that they also have this problem. The surgeon that is doing my surgery says that she is getting more and more requests for this surgery especially from young women who are more forthcoming and aren't so inclined to suffer in silence about this. I feel that this is an issue that does affect many women who just will not complain or don't know that anything can be done.

I'll keep you posted.

PonyHunterz
Dec. 18, 2007, 08:25 PM
I use to have a chaffing problem. I found wearing cotton, flat seamed panties to be quite helpful.
I also use lots of powder, it's important to keep the "nether region" dry and comfortable.:D

class
Dec. 18, 2007, 08:44 PM
this thread is too gross to me. but i keep reading with enthralled disgust and i have to ask, if your nether region is so damp and getting so much friction from your thighs/pants/saddle, wouldn't adding "lots of powder" kind of turn it into some kind of cake-like mixture in your panties? i just don't see how adding powder is a good idea. but i'm not sure i want someone to explain it to me either.

egontoast
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:10 PM
wouldn't adding "lots of powder" kind of turn it into some kind of cake-like mixture in your panties?

That might be handy if you were camping and didn't have a lot of pots and pans with you.

Moist and easy like Betty Crocker?

http://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=3669

JRG
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:24 PM
alter Pain, I wish you a speedy recovery. As for the op, I hoped you have pulled some good information here.

EasyStreet
Dec. 18, 2007, 09:59 PM
Yes I have recieved an abundance of good advice,suggestions and well wishes here. Thank you Cothers!! And Alter Pain, I wish you the very best and a speedy recovery. I will be waiting to here how it goes. Thanks again to all mature and secure posters for thier candor on this obviously controversal subject. I certainly did not foresee that.:no: I hope if anyone else who might have this problem but afraid to ask anyone for help because of fear of ridicule has benifited from all those informative posts.;)

perceptionDQ
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:00 PM
Hello everybody! I am new here and I actually joined because my friend told me about this thread. I have approached friends with this same problem and they don't experience this. I was so happy to see I am not alone.

I have really large woman parts that even bother me daily just walking so you can imagine how bad this is under saddle! I am young so I am hoping with age gravity doesn't pull them down further!

My main problem (and I am sorry if this offends anyone) is I have rather long hairs around my anus and when I ride in full seat breeches it rips those hairs out and creates sores. Is this an area you can shave?

Thanks for listening!
Anna

~Freedom~
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:50 PM
My main problem (and I am sorry if this offends anyone) is I have rather long hairs around my anus and when I ride in full seat breeches it rips those hairs out and creates sores. Is this an area you can shave?


Ummm I wouldn't suggest it. You know when they grow back in they are longer and an ingrown hair in that area can be....well you know!

GrayTbred
Dec. 18, 2007, 10:57 PM
I bought a saddle whose nickname, I learned after the fact, was "the meat grinder." I found out why after just two rides. However, the saddle and I eventually came to an understanding, and it did help remind me to sit back.

Petstorejunkie
Dec. 18, 2007, 11:13 PM
My main problem (and I am sorry if this offends anyone) is I have rather long hairs around my anus and when I ride in full seat breeches it rips those hairs out and creates sores. Is this an area you can shave?


Regarding surgery, I bet if you talk to your gyno they can refer you to a specialist of the procedure who can best determine if you are a candidate.

Bum hair, well, porn stars are bare so i suppose it is done, but i agree that is not an area i would want ingrown. :no: perhaps asking santa for a personal trimmer/clipper would be a better idea.

carovet
Dec. 18, 2007, 11:27 PM
Medically speaking, if you are dealing with a minora problem and not a majora problem then it is probably appropriate to discuss with a doctor about surgical options -- if you have issues in other parts of life too then definetly something to look into.

If it is a majora problem then I would guess that you need to look at causes of rubbing rather than anatomical problems on your part.

I'll second the Body Glide suggestion. You can buy it at any bike store.

My education has occurred only in the last year or so. Same horse for the last many years and saddle....BUT, horsey has changed shape, developed loin muscles, and my saddle gradually was lifted in back without me realizing the balance from front to back of the saddle was changing......this started tilting me forward but it was such a gradual change I really didn't realize my position problem, and iverness problem, had anything to do with my horse/saddle.

New saddle is on order, in the mean time a shim pad that lifts the front of the saddle to put the saddle back to a correct balance has for the most part fixed the issue.

but body glide is still my friend.

LudgerFan
Dec. 19, 2007, 12:31 AM
I once tried one of those bizarre (and yet so...technically interesting) Wow saddles. A friend of mine tried it, too. We promptly renamed it the "Ow" saddle. Beware if you have a tilted pelvis!!!!!!

kashmere
Dec. 19, 2007, 12:56 AM
to op; i can't say i have a whole lot of advice, fortunately i've never had this problem! my girly parts are good to me. :) just wanted to say be careful with any itch-cream type product - those generally work because they have a local anesthetic ingredient in them which numbs the area for relief until you can solve the real problem - be it a yeast infection, sti, etc. prolonged use of those products can be detrimental and isn't really reccommended -says so right on the box! if you try all of the suggestions offered and are still having trouble definitely talk to a doctor, and not necessarily about surgery first! family doctors may not be equine specialists (lucky me -mine is a rider herself!) but they may be able to refer you to someone who could help more, or may just know of products more tailored to the girly-parts region. who knows! i'm glad you posted this - and equally glad that you haven't let some silly comments deter you from continuing the thread. women have all rights to discuss their bodies in any manner they choose - and i think this is a great place to ask your particular question, most of us are ladies, therefore most of us have similar genitals! no big deal, jeez.

to hecklers; if you're grossed out, don't read it anymore. if you can't tear your eyes away from descriptions of labia and ingrown hairs, please don't feel the need to comment and tell anyone that they're innapropriate or gross. better yet, learn to be comfortable with female anatomy and celebrate our right to discuss it openly. a lot of good things come from education, discussion, and self knowledge. i'm not suggesting you whip out a speculum and take a look at another lady's cervix - but grow up. we all have them, let's be comfortable with them. i'm eighteen and i got over being "grossed out" by genitals/discussion when i was about twelve. let's try for a little maturity, shall we?

kashmere
Dec. 19, 2007, 12:59 AM
oh! also, alter_pain : good luck, lady! many happy hours in the saddle, and i hope you're happy with your new configuration :)

Lori
Dec. 19, 2007, 01:16 AM
I remember when my ex wore full seat breeches on a hunt ride in the summer. He learned a lesson of DO NOT DO THAT when all the hair on his bum was rubbed off and his skin was raw. :) OK, maybe he deserved it now that I think of it.....

But to the OP I can advise shaving.

EasyStreet
Dec. 19, 2007, 01:49 AM
PERCEPTION DQ; If you Google "Labiaplasty" you can see a selection of before and after photos and get info on the procedure and surgeons in your area if need be. As far as anal hair you can have them waxed or a trimmer as another poster suggested. LUDGER FAN; Was your referance to" pelvic tilt" speaking to poor riding posture or a physical "conformation falt" that cannot be changed?:confused: KASHMERE; Thanks, Well said. Again thanks to all.;)

JenEM
Dec. 19, 2007, 02:38 AM
You know, I always thought "Yikes!" when threads came up about this issue. Not in a bad way, but in a "that must be horribly painful" way, and was thankful it never happened to me.

Then this summer I happened to buy some new underwear, of a different brand than I'd worn for a while, because I was at the store, and they were on sale. I wore them out to ride about four times before I figured out that they are Not Riding Underwear :eek::no: All it takes is the seam hitting just wrong.

If this is happening sporadically, I'd perhaps investigate my underwear choices first--it took me a couple of weeks to figure it out, because I wasn't always wearing the same type. I can also easily see how saddle fit would play an issue, as I rode in a friend's saddle, and while I agreed it was nice for her if it fit, it hit me just wrong and would have been very uncomfortable for more than a short hack.

penhille
Dec. 19, 2007, 02:39 AM
I just have to comment on how much I appreciate this thread. I grew up with a mother who had been an OB/GYN nurse for 16 years. *Issues* are, well, not an issue. I mean, this thread makes sense to me. Just like horses, we all have different conformation! And sensitivity levels. Hell, if people talked more about their private parts, I think sex education would actually be a full education. I have friends that are still scared to go to Planned Parenthood.

As I have had pain in the past, my suggestion is to really concentrate on how you're sitting and making sure you're not tilting forward at all. But that's the extent of my knowledge. I've never had boils or anything extreme. For me, it's all about the tilt! And negative reinforcement if I don't.

jetsmom
Dec. 19, 2007, 02:40 AM
If you have fairly flat thighs or are slim, try a saddle with a wider twist. A narrow twist will rub you raw. I had 2 different saddles that killed me about half the time I rode in them (Beval Natural and County Stabilizer XTR.). Even my trainer and another boarder had the same problem with the saddles (both thin build). I bought a different saddle that has a wider twist and haven't had a problem since (it's been 3 yrs now).

Mozart
Dec. 19, 2007, 12:19 PM
Hello everybody! I am new here and I actually joined because my friend told me about this thread. I have approached friends with this same problem and they don't experience this. I was so happy to see I am not alone.

I have really large woman parts that even bother me daily just walking so you can imagine how bad this is under saddle! I am young so I am hoping with age gravity doesn't pull them down further!

My main problem (and I am sorry if this offends anyone) is I have rather long hairs around my anus and when I ride in full seat breeches it rips those hairs out and creates sores. Is this an area you can shave?

Thanks for listening!
Anna

Well Anna, I think what you are wanting is a Brazilian bikini wax. My understanding is that they take it all off and more.

Although this stuff makes me squirm, I still think is the right place for the OP to go for advice. Yes, she needs to see a doctor eventually but better to go with some idea of what a solution might be. I would think your average family physician would not quite appreciate the issue. Odds are, if you are having a problem, several people in COTH Land will have had the same problem and figured out a solution.

CatOnLap
Dec. 19, 2007, 12:27 PM
Straight from the gynecological surgeon in the next office:

Labiectomy is a highly specialized procedure and should not be done by someone who doesn't have a LOT of experience with it. According to him, it is way too easy to "trim too much" and take away the most sensitive parts of the anatomy, or leave scar ridges that are just as uncomfortable to ride on. He says a MINIMUM of 6 weeks from the procedure before one is well enough to ride again. He says most women doen't want to MOVE for the first 3 or 4 days and are off work for a week with the procedure. He also said, if you DO go to a specialist surgeon who has the experience, do not be discouraged by the waiting room full of pornstars. Apparently they are the most common consumers for the procedure, known locally as "The Toronto Trim".

And the average cost ( not funded by our medical system) is around $5000.

I think, for $5000, I'd invest in a new saddle and some riding lessons. After all, as Uncle Fester alludes, guys have way more dangly bits than girls and they don't go getting them trimmed because they are in the way when they ride.

PS- this topic was covered several weeks ago in depth on "The Pile".

perceptionDQ
Dec. 19, 2007, 12:55 PM
[QUOTE=CatOnLap;2878571]For Dullfan, uh, an asshat would probably solve the problem of anal hairs being pulled out.


Thank you for all your advice! I did search pictures and I guess I could be a good candidate for surgery! I don't know why this wouldn't be covered by insurance as they cover breast reduction when breasts are too large and cause backpain! I'm in pain!

Horselips, that song is really funny even though it does apply to me!

I think we are going baby bottom smooth! ;)

beck4321
Dec. 19, 2007, 01:30 PM
....but the horse?

I have a saddle that fits a range of horses. In most of them, I'm fine. On one horse, the saddle just rubs me raw - to the point that I either quit, or we 2-point the rest of the ride.

itsyourhorse
Dec. 19, 2007, 01:45 PM
i used to have this problem in my teens ALL the time. it wasnt because it hung down further or anything, so fo ryou that might be a large part of the problem.
i rocked forward in my hips and sat on my crotch bone instead of my seat bone.

i finally talked to my instructor who thought i rode great and sat great about my problem and she worked with me on my seat position being back on my butt like it was supposed to be.

Dalfan
Dec. 19, 2007, 03:05 PM
Why, you're very welcome WTBleep. I personally prefer waxing "down there", if you can take it, that is.

Auventera Two
Dec. 19, 2007, 03:39 PM
As far as anal hair you can have them waxed or a trimmer as another poster suggested.

"HAVE" them waxed?! :eek: :lol: :eek: :lol:

Okay.

I could possibly hang precariously off the bathroom sink and do the waxing myself, but "have" them waxed? As in - someone else waxes the crack of my fanny FOR me?

Hmmmm. It's taken me a good 12 years to get used to the whole pap dealie. Fanny crack waxing by a total stranger would probably take another 12 years or so.

GreekDressageQueen
Dec. 19, 2007, 03:43 PM
As for removal of unwanted hair anywhere - I prefer waxing, but even then you still get ingrown hairs every now and then in the nether regions, especially if you get a Brazilian.

Moderator 1
Dec. 19, 2007, 04:28 PM
The original poster and others have no doubt gotten plenty of valuable information from this candid thread--helped by the relaxed, supportive tone of the posts--but the discussion is crossing over the line of being informative, helpful and tactful. Please rein in the comments or we'll have to close the thread. Thanks!

eqsiu
Dec. 19, 2007, 04:44 PM
That might be handy if you were camping and didn't have a lot of pots and pans with you.

Moist and easy like Betty Crocker?

http://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=3669

:lol::eek::lol::eek::lol:

So, am I the only one whose family has discussions like this at the dinner table? I mean really. Conversations like this are normal for us.

roki143
Dec. 19, 2007, 05:59 PM
I was once reading an article on Danica Patrick - who moto happens to be "A Bazillion Brazilians" or something to that nature

Although race car drivers don't sit even close to the way riders have to - they do have to worry about sitting for LONG periods of time, and heat buildup etc...

eqsiu - if you are who you think you are, then I think I may have had these types of conversations at your dinner table!

alter pain
Dec. 19, 2007, 07:31 PM
I just got back a little after noon and took a nap. It went really well. I have only very mild discomfort. Not even close to enough pain to take a pain pill.
Sitting in the car on the way home was less uncomfortable than the car trip to the hospital. The surgery was really short and I will be in the barn tonight (in my nightgown and raincoat) to wrap a foot (abcess) with help from my husband and give another horse some oral meds.

So far so good. I am very encouraged.

Thanks for all the well wishes and I really don't mind the jokes. It actually helps to read some of the humor, although I can see that it may offend some people. I have actually had several inquiries already from those asking about my progress. Thanks again for all the support.