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kacey'srider
Dec. 6, 2007, 09:12 PM
I originally posted this on the horse care forums, but have had very little response, so I am going to post it here so that my fellow eventers can help me.

Well, I took my dearest Kacey to the vet yesterday after he freaked out on Sunday when he rolled and unbuckled his sheet, he swears it attacked him :eek: and he had to run for dear life. He ran up on the concrete by my barn and fell and slid into the corner of the barn leaving a nice big dent and several abraisons on all 4 legs.

I had been thinking of taking him in since he just hasn't felt quite right in the front for months now. And I would have sooner, only after every bad spell, an abscess would pop up on the right front hoove and I would relay the abscess to the not quite right movement.
So, the crash and burn into the barn incident sealed the deal for him.

The vet found soreness in his pelvis and shoulder and his right hind and also on his front feet. Esp. the left fore. The feet thing surprised me since I have owned and raised Kacey from birth and have never known him to have any issues at all. So, we x-rayed him. And they found the most severe case of side bone the vet has ever seen. Caused by continual concussion on hard ground.

As I said, Kacey has been mine from birth. I have done all of his training and care since day one. As of now, he is an eventer at training level. He is five, a 16.3 hand Irish sport horse. I pushed him fairly hard this past year to get him ready for YEH and we qualified at both novice and the YEH 5 year old division. He tries his heart out for me over fences and we are working on the dressage. At several shows, he felt not quite right, but was never lame, just a bit short in front and not using himself well. But, we came home, and days later, an abscess would pop out on his right fore.

The farrier came out today and put pads on him. They are called "horse trax." and are a full pad. My arena will be put in in about two weeks and I will NOT work him on the hard ground of my place anymore. We have been here right at a year. I was supposed to get an arena for Christmas last year... and then last March... and well, it will finally be in this month. However, the vet said that this condition did not happen in a year, but that it has been coming on for several years, more than likely. So, it was nothing that I did riding him here at home. He did grow up on hard soil though and played/plays really hard on his own.

I guess what I want to know is... how have you delt with side bone? Were you able to continue to ride and compete as normal? At what level? I know that probably most of the horses at the top levels have some sort of issues that they are dealing with so, perhaps it is possible.

Kacey is my forever dream horse. My chance to finally get above training level... do we still have a chance? I love him like crazy and he loves to event and tries his heart out for me over every fence. :cry:

That being said, I think we need a few jingles here too so that the shoing and other methods of "healing" that we try will be successful and that my good boy feels better soon.

Thanks.

Here are the pictures of his feet that I took tonight. Sorry, I know that the angle is not that great. He has awesome feet, size 2, great shape, and excellent condition. Never flakey or poor.

Here is the NEW Link

http://community.webshots.com/album/561742278RrxfUn
Here are a few pics of us.
1st one is at the CO HP where he scored an 80 on his first YEH test.


http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=163115903/PictureID=3535140951/a=93526533_93526533/t_=93526533

Here's a pic of us in action at his second training level event this past October.


http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/OrderPage.aspx?pi=043T006M4S0003&po=3

texaseventer
Dec. 6, 2007, 09:28 PM
I don't have any advice but tons of jingles for sweet Kacey and Em. :)

And some big hugs thrown in for good measure.

Mandy & Joy

TBlitz
Dec. 6, 2007, 09:30 PM
Jingles to your handsome Irish boy!

I've never had to deal with sidebone, so I'm useless in the advice part, but he should be a tough guy with both Irish and TB blood (my 2 fav breeds), so he'll try as hard as he can to please his Mommy and get better!

BarbB
Dec. 6, 2007, 09:57 PM
My last horse had some minor sidebone. The vet told me that unless it grows in a direction that it interferes with the tendon, it is a non issue, although it can become cosmetic.
I don't know if 'severe' means a lot of buildup or that it is interfering with the tendon....something to talk to the vet about.

purplnurpl
Dec. 6, 2007, 10:19 PM
The side bone is in the FOOT, not the pastern. Correct?
So it will not interfere with the tendon?

After reading some DVM stuff it seems like the side bone is up in the air. Some it bothers, some it does not.
Usually the horses that are not bothered by it are never bothered by it. That is where this all gets sketchy. And many go their entire lives undiagnosed.
It is up to the individual character.

The side bone greatly decreases the hoofs natural impact absorption which can lead to ring bone and other joint issues. Which is were it seems the lameness comes into play. That's the sucky part. The side bone could be causing an issue somewhere else in the front legs, which is what is really causing the unsoundness. So I guess he has lost some air in his sneaker soles.
Like any calcification, it can decrease. (I read that today).
Maybe like the splint calcification...after some time the lumps will decrease in size.

I guess using pads adds back a little bit of absorption that was lost? Once the pads are in line you may have to go through a series of nerve blocks to see at which point he becomes sound.
(I just totally made that up, it sounded good!)

A big issue seems to be keeping good circulation. Hit the Equi Laze girl!

Another important factor is that there are many causes of side bone, not just hard ground.
The articles focused almost primarily on the farrier and conformation. Take all into consideration. Is he built in such a way that heavy pounding will always be an issue..?
Things like that.

on that note.
dude, they put our article in Eventing News. : ) I can't wait to see it!!!

BarbB
Dec. 6, 2007, 10:24 PM
Sidebone is calcium deposits that are layed down on the outside of the foot, growing usually up from the foot structures. It can go in any direction, you can sometimes feel it right under the skin at the coronet band. It can interfere with the flexion in the pastern. It is extremely common in draft horses, less so in lighter horses.
The heavier the horse, or the bigger bone, the more likely they are to develop sidebone.
Last I heard it had no connection to ringbone and it usually does not cause problems.

nature
Dec. 7, 2007, 12:19 AM
http://www.marthaolivo.com/articles/article16.shtml



"Can horses really recover from massive calcium deposits, once they've formed, and have been present for a long period of time? Yes! I have testimonials available from folks who have rehabbed their horses. It has taken them several years, and firm commitment. It requires faith in the healing ability of the horse, and total regard for its needs. Since the deposits must break down and migrate via blood flow, abscesses must be expected. It should even be encouraged by daily hoof soaking and walking, even when abscessing and subsequent lameness is occouring. Of course, circulation-inhibiting horseshoes are not an option. Proper hoof form must be restored through physiologically correct trimming and movement, which is what forms healthy functional hooves in the first place.

3ways3days
Dec. 7, 2007, 01:02 AM
that really stinks.. i have never even heard of this but i hope you figure it out and do get to go above training. it's a goal of mine too!

fitzwilliam
Dec. 7, 2007, 01:23 AM
We had a percheron/appy mare who had pretty significant sidebones when we xrayed her after 3 years of consistent work. She never took a lame step and was sold as a hunt horse back East, after doing some low level events. My trainer and vet said sidebones are fairly common in draft horses and frequently don't cause problems. Good Luck

Toadie's mom
Dec. 7, 2007, 03:38 AM
At several shows, he felt not quite right, but was never lame, just a bit short in front and not using himself well.

I went thru this. My prelim event horse turned out to have a fractured sidebone. Vet said it is unusual to see a sidebone problem cause lameness unless it is infected. Anyway, I elected to have surgery to remove it because is WAS causing discomfort and that discomfort wasn't going to go away. You should talk to a lameness specialist. My horse was 13 when he had the surgery and did come back and do training for a couple more years. Hopefully because your horse is younger, and has other issues that might be causing the lameness, you won't have to go the surgery route. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!!!!!

CookiePony
Dec. 7, 2007, 08:57 AM
Whatever is attached to his feet (shoes, pads, nothing), you need to make sure his trim is balanced. If you are unsure about what a balanced trim looks like, this is my favorite place to start: www.hopeforsoundness.com.

Remember, the back of the foot is the primary concussion-absorber. U of MI researchers have found that blood flow within the hoof is a major shock absorber and is stimulated by sole and frog pressure. So your farrier needs to concentrate on getting a sightly heel-first landing-- and he/she needs to accomplish this with a correct trim. If he must wear shoes, pour-in pads help to distribute weight across the frog, bars and sole.

If you post pictures on the horse care forum, there are a lot of trimmers and farriers who will weigh in on your guy's hoof balance. Good luck!

GreystoneKC
Dec. 7, 2007, 09:53 AM
When I saw the title of this thread as I was scanning down the list I couldn't help but think:

"I do?"

And then I wanted to kick myself... I don't see that spelling too often.
Jingles for your Kacey. I have no experience with sidebone myself to add advice, but I hope everything turns out well for you guys!

kacey'srider
Dec. 7, 2007, 10:12 AM
Kacey will start the first round of his Equi-Laze treatment tomorrow. Rita said that it will take 10 - 12 treatments to bring down the swelling and inflamation. The cost is $50 per treatment, so over the long haul, costly, not to mention that I will have to haul him out there. But, SO well worth it if it actually works. Rita said that she is currently treating a horse with side bone and he is sound.

Yes, side bone is more common in horses with big bone, and well, he has excellent bone, and of course, is 1/4 draft. And gorgeous, I think he's gorgeous, but that is off topic, sorry! :winkgrin:

I am hoping that will this treatment, the pads, and getting him off the hard ground, that I will be able to keep him sound and happy for a nice long eventing career. I am looking into some other supplements as well. The vet did not seem to think joint supplements were worth the cost, but I may do HA injections and find something natural, like Devil's Claw, to give him for pain and inflamation.

Did I mention that I love him like mad yet. :yes: Finally had a good cry about it last night. I know this may or may not have a good outcome, so I am trying to be as positive as possible.

And with good friends like Texaseventer and Purplnurpl helping me out here too, we'll get through this! Thanks guys!

Long Shadow Farm
Dec. 7, 2007, 11:14 AM
Most of the horses I have heard of getting side bone tend to be pretty upright in their pasterns. So my advice would be to get a good farrier that can help to alieve some of the pressure from him being so upright (if he is... most drafts tend to be though.. so there is a good chance he might be). Also remember that if he is upright in his pasterns that it will cause him naturally to receive more concussion when his feet hit the ground because there isn't as much flexion in an upright pastern vs a more slopey one. So I would re-think any conditioning program to try to find alts to trot and gallop work. Maybe more hacking at a walk and possible aqua-tred, etc.

Also remember if you start on Devil's Claw, you are suppose to stop that 5 days before a recognzied show.......


Good luck

Bobbi

tx3dayeventer
Dec. 7, 2007, 11:27 AM
Jingles for your guy to get better from a fellow Texan.

kacey'srider
Dec. 7, 2007, 12:21 PM
Thanks again, guys!

Bobbi- Yes, I am going to look into the aqua tred for conditioning. At training level though, just regular work gets him quite fit. He was too fit for novice and I had to really hold him back not to get speed penalties! We were 24 seconds fast at the AEC's b/c I forgot to check my watch after the first half of the course! OOPS!

Anyway, Aqua tred it will more than likely be for prelim and above.

And, just got an email from Rita and she is going to come and do his first treatment this afternoon.

I am relieved this might not be as bad as it seems.... although it is pretty scary.

Thanks again!

kml84
Dec. 7, 2007, 01:09 PM
I hope your guy is helped by the Equi-Laze...

I had a BN/N gelding who didn't show any signs of side bone untilll I was at a week long clinic where we were jumping a lot. We had x-rays done of his hooves and the vet said he would only be sound jumping about 2' every so often. So I sold him do a woman who primarily does dressage and jumps about once a month. He has been happy and sound in his new home.

FLeckenAwesome
Dec. 7, 2007, 03:14 PM
food luck with evertyhing! hope it works and he is sound and happy!!
keep us posted

kacey'srider
Dec. 7, 2007, 04:39 PM
I just lunged him to see if I could tell a difference or not with his new pads... his left shoulder is still bothering him, so I really couldn't tell much. :(

Equi-Laze lady should be here any minute now for his first treatment.

Stacie
Dec. 8, 2007, 12:06 PM
If my horse had an acute lameness and they found sidebone, I would say "Keep looking". In most cases sidebone will not cause lameness, so just because they have sidebone that does not mean that is why they are lame.

kacey'srider
Dec. 10, 2007, 08:54 AM
I lunged Kacey in a few circles last night in both directions just to see what I could very quickly in the impending darkness. And, it's going to be wet, cold, and rainy here for the next week, so I know I won't be able to lunge him for a while anyway.
Aside from the occasional misstep, I lunged him right in front of the barn in the so so footing b/c of the light, he looked pretty good. However, I could not see his shoulder b/c he was blanketed.
I feel a little better.

I called the trainer and told him about the equi-laze and asked him what he thought about Magic Cushion. I may look into that the next time Kacey get's his feet done in about three weeks. And, trainer is going to be there next time we shoe him to check out angles to see if there is anything we can take off of the heel to lessen some impact as well.

As for a second opinion, we are going to wait and see how the equi-laze goes. If it's not so good, we will go to Las Colinas and get Dr. Hersman's opinion. The vet I took him to was the only DVM/Chiropractor that could get him in in less than a month.

I also got the lecture I was trying to avoid from my trainer on having to decide how much money to put into this and when to "pull the plug" so to speak. And I have to accept that I may never be able to ride Kacey again. That way, if the outcome is bad, I'll be better prepared.

This is SO scary! But, I think with the equi-laze, we are on the right track. And I am going to schedule a check up with chiropractor next week.

CookiePony
Dec. 10, 2007, 11:27 AM
At risk of sounding like a broken record, please post some pictures of his feet on Horse Care, or even on the www.horsehoes.com forum. You will get a range of expert opinions.

kacey'srider
Dec. 10, 2007, 02:37 PM
At risk of sounding like a broken record, please post some pictures of his feet on Horse Care, or even on the www.horsehoes.com forum. You will get a range of expert opinions.

Thank you, CookiePony. I will try to this evening. I've been sick and the weather here is lousy. I will try to take pics at feeding time this evening.

Thanks for your concern and help. I need all that I can get right now. :yes:

kacey'srider
Dec. 11, 2007, 06:23 PM
Sorry!

Here is a new link for pics of Kacey's feet.

http://community.webshots.com/album/561742278RrxfUn

texaseventer
Dec. 14, 2007, 07:48 AM
Hi Em and Kacey

Sorry I'm just getting to look at Kacey's foot pics today, I'm in Germany for work and haven't been on the forum at all.

I'm sending huge huge huge hugs your way and lots of cookies for Kacey. I KNOW he is going to be okay!!! I just know it.

See you soon (I come home tomorrow night, yay!)

Mandy

GO-dog-GO
Dec. 14, 2007, 10:53 AM
My guys 1/4 draft 1/4 TB and 1/2 Hano. He went off one day when he was 5 yo with no sign of discomfort before then. Sidebone.

I turned him out for 6 months and he's never had a problem with that since then.

Good luck.

kacey'srider
Dec. 14, 2007, 11:50 AM
Luckily for me, the weather has been awful here. Wet and cold. So, I have no choice but to give the horses, even the one here in training, time off.

Kacey, however, is miserable. Not hurting or uncomfortable, just grouchy and wanting to get back on a schedule with work and attention. He really is happiest when on a good work schedule.

We have another equi-laze treatment today and I am looking into taking him down to A&M for a second opinion on his feet.

I just KNOW he'll be good as new in no time.... and if it stops raining, I'll have an arena by then too! :)

Painted Wings
Dec. 14, 2007, 07:06 PM
Paint horse with no draft. No sidebone in his family. Developed as a four year old. Huge side bone. Vet did not believe it caused his lameness as he said that "Sidebone does not make them lame". Spent $1K on some sort of nuclear scan that did confirm that side bone was making him lame. He is now happily working at a Therapeutic Riding Center doing what he can. He is sound with considerable management.

This horse was a beautiful mover and I won a couple of Novice Events when he was just a four year old. It was a real shame.

What I found after much research was that since side bone does not usually cause lameness there is very littel research done on it compared to other Equine foot problems. Surgery was never recommended to me. I'm not sure why.

It is very important to keep the hoof balanced side to side so that the side bone does not cause pain when he flexes. There are other issues that develop and have to be managed due to side bone. One is the tendancy for contracted heels. This then leads to problems with keeping the hoof clean and thrush developing.

kacey'srider
Dec. 19, 2007, 09:43 AM
Going for a second opinion today. Another vet looked at the x-rays and thought saw some other things that could be causing the problems. Will keep ya posted!

CookiePony
Dec. 19, 2007, 09:56 AM
Good luck! I'm glad you've got some hope!

kacey'srider
Dec. 19, 2007, 04:37 PM
Well, Kacey was REALLY lame today, esp. on his left fore. Hasn't been this lame until today. Second vet immedietly noticed two bone spurs, one at pastern joint, and one at the lower coffin bone (I think) that were of concern.

Every time he flexed at those spots, he was very lame and sore. Could have cared less elsewhere. Right fore was not nearly as bad. It had two small spurs as well in similar places. However, vet could not rule out that right leg wasn't sore b/c Kacey was putting most of his weight on it to protect the left.

So, to make things short, we decided on a polyglycan injection. We are going to see how he moves in a few days and go from there. He hesitated to do a joint injection or a block b/c a recent cut Kacey has right on his inside left fore coronary band.

If all is well, we may do the equilaze treatment on the places where the bone spurs are and put him on some lubrisyn. Vet knows the vet who has researched and designed this joint supplement and swears by it. If that one does not work, he has some others that he has first hand information on as well and he would like me to try for Kacey.

Keep your fingers crossed!

CookiePony
Dec. 19, 2007, 09:11 PM
I am SO glad you looked beyond the sidebone diagnosis and went for a second opinion! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that he feels better in a few days.

kacey'srider
Dec. 20, 2007, 09:10 AM
I am SO glad you looked beyond the sidebone diagnosis and went for a second opinion! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that he feels better in a few days.

Thank you SO much, CookiePony for your continual support!

I forgot to add that Dr. Morris also suggested taking some off of the heal and bringing the back of the shoes as far back as possible to add some more support. However, he felt that b/c Kacey was not putting his full weight on his left fore that he could get a good feel of what his angles were really like. He suggested Buting him a few days before his next farrier appt. so that he is standing comfortably on both feet and we can get a better feel of what his angles truly are at this point.

kacey'srider
Jan. 2, 2008, 04:46 PM
Going for a 3RD opinion and possible bone scan on Friday.

Something is just NOT right. He was NEVER lame before, just not quite right. I think he must have really aggrevated something when he fell and hit the barn and I feel like there must be something else that we can do.

I'll let everyone else know what else I find out as soon as I know something on Friday. Prayers please!

kacey'srider
Jan. 4, 2008, 06:04 PM
OK, so here we go again!

3rd vet - and I should have just gone to this one first.... found soreness in both front feet, right worse then left, and a very sore left fore suspensory ligament. AND, horse not pushing off evenly on left hind at the trot and some extreme soreness in hip/pelvic area.

Vet blocked left fore... horse moved a bit better. So, he blocked right fore... horse moved much better.

So - there is something going on in the front feet. And, of course there are the hind end issues, for which he thinks a bone scan is necessary to find out problems there.

SO - I take him back for a bone scan on Tuesday morning. He will also take off his shoes and do x-rays of his front feet.

I KNEW something else was going on, I just didn't think it would be this much!

3rd vet did not think that either the side bones OR the bone spurs were causing the lameness.

Here we go again! We will need some MAJOR jingling on Tuesday, please!

CookiePony
Jan. 4, 2008, 07:53 PM
Oh, my, I'm sorry he didn't get better with the polyglycan injection... but it sounds like you have gotten some important info as a result. Kudos to you for seeking out some more answers-- is this vet a sport horse specialist? Which part of the foot did the vet block? Here is a useful article I found in H&H about nerve blocks: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horsecare/1370/55990.html

Jingles for Tuesday!

kacey'srider
Jan. 4, 2008, 09:31 PM
Oh, my, I'm sorry he didn't get better with the polyglycan injection... but it sounds like you have gotten some important info as a result. Kudos to you for seeking out some more answers-- is this vet a sport horse specialist? Which part of the foot did the vet block? Here is a useful article I found in H&H about nerve blocks: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horsecare/1370/55990.html

Jingles for Tuesday!

He blocked the heel area, I think.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CP, for your support. This has been a very difficult road for me and my youngster. Dr. Hersman is an amazing vet. His office, Animal Imaging, is located right on the Las Colinas Equestrian Center grounds, here in Irving, TX. Years ago, it was "THE" place to take your sport horses with problems. Since then, most of the practice has gone to Lone Star Park. But, Dr. Hersman stayed behind. I'd say most of his patients are sport horses and race horses. Let's just say that Kacey did not stick out like a sore thumb here b/c he was 2 hands taller then all the other horses. And, as Purplnurpl will vouch to, Dr. Hersman won't stop until the horse is better.

I'm not sure what the pain in the feet is about, but know that the hind end stuff is more then likely from the fall that he took into the barn.

Please let him find something that we can heal and make Kacey feel better again. He LOVES his job and is such an unhappy beastie right now b/c he is not being worked. I'm not stopping until I feel that there is nothing else to do fo him.

AKB
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:12 PM
I'm glad you are persisting with the diagnostics and the extra vet opinions. If the problem turns out to be in the feet, you may want to consider a standing MRI.

We were almost to that point of getting an MRI four years ago with our high mileage, now 20 year old, Irish horse. Finally, we discovered that he had navicular, an abscess, and at one point some mild laminitis. We got him some every 6-12 month steroid/hyaluronic acid injections in the navicular bursa, with good results, before we discovered the mild laminitis. Now, as well as getting thyroid and pergolide, we have had the IRAP injections with good success. For some reason, Polyglycan does not help our guy at all.

These Irish horses are very tough and resilient. If you persist, you will likely sort things out and have your Irish horse back in full work. Good luck. He sounds like a lovely horse and his pictures are wonderful.

FLeckenAwesome
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:38 PM
oh good luck!!! i hope you get it figured out and can make him comfy and sound and happy and working again!
will send jingles and happy thoughts your way!

frugalannie
Jan. 5, 2008, 08:34 AM
Lots of jingles. Our babies will do anything they can to make us jump through hoops for them!

kacey'srider
Jan. 5, 2008, 09:48 AM
Thank you, AKB! I think he's gorgeous too! Of course, I'm mommy so I'm a little biased!

And, thank you, Frugal Annie. Yes, I will do ANYTHING to get him well. He deserves it!

I will keep everyone posted as soon as I learn something on Tuesday!

ThrghbrdJmpr
Jan. 5, 2008, 10:18 AM
Just wanted to send jingles.. I hope they find something very fixable for your beautiful boy on Tuesday!!

kacey'srider
Jan. 5, 2008, 02:15 PM
Just wanted to send jingles.. I hope they find something very fixable for your beautiful boy on Tuesday!!

Thank you, TBJmpr! Thank you. Flecken Awesome! We need all the jingles we can get! :yes:

nature
Jan. 7, 2008, 10:10 AM
He blocked the heel area, I think.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CP, for your support. This has been a very difficult road for me and my youngster. Dr. Hersman is an amazing vet. His office, Animal Imaging, is located right on the Las Colinas Equestrian Center grounds, here in Irving, TX. Years ago, it was "THE" place to take your sport horses with problems. Since then, most of the practice has gone to Lone Star Park. But, Dr. Hersman stayed behind. I'd say most of his patients are sport horses and race horses. Let's just say that Kacey did not stick out like a sore thumb here b/c he was 2 hands taller then all the other horses. And, as Purplnurpl will vouch to, Dr. Hersman won't stop until the horse is better.

I'm not sure what the pain in the feet is about, but know that the hind end stuff is more then likely from the fall that he took into the barn.

Please let him find something that we can heal and make Kacey feel better again. He LOVES his job and is such an unhappy beastie right now b/c he is not being worked. I'm not stopping until I feel that there is nothing else to do fo him.


Dr. Hershman is the best in N Texas and has been since he had Argyle Vet Clinic in the 80's.

kacey'srider
Jan. 7, 2008, 06:34 PM
Well... I dropped him off this afternoon. They will do the scan first thing in the morning, but won't be able to tell me anything until Wednesday afternoon. Rrrrrr... I'll be doing a lot of crossing my fingers, wiggling my toes, tapping my heals, and pacing the floor to kill time.

It was really a strange feeling, dropping him off and leaving him there. "Just put him in stall 2 or 4." The receptionist said. "OK... Well, I packed his feed and each feeding is labeled by his stall. And, I also packed a sheet and a blanked b/c it is supposed to get cold Tuesday night."

"OK." She said.

No directions, no nothing. I guess they're used to doing this. But to me, it was like dropping of my kid and the doctors saying "OK, we'll take care of him and contact you in (nearly) two days." Geeze. When I leave my horses home for someone else to care for, I usually leave two pages worth of directions. I guess I'm just a control freek.

So, jingle like crazy, everyone! That Dr. Hersman finds out what is wrong and that it is fixable and that I can have my happy healthy horse back soon. I'll post again as soon as I know anything.

ThrghbrdJmpr
Jan. 7, 2008, 09:55 PM
Jingles for Kacey!!! I hope they find the cause and can get it fixed!

texaseventer
Jan. 7, 2008, 10:00 PM
Jingle jingle jingle!!!!!!!!!! You know you are both in our thoughts! Keep us posted!

Hugs
Mandy and Joy

tx3dayeventer
Jan. 7, 2008, 11:10 PM
JINGLE JINGLE JINGLE!!!

kacey'srider
Jan. 8, 2008, 11:13 AM
Thanks, guys!

I may go visit him today, so I'll let you know what I discover, although I won't get a full evaluation until tomorrow.

Twiddling thumbs.. biting nails... drinking too much coffee... LOL!

kacey'srider
Jan. 10, 2008, 08:52 AM
Kacey had his bone scan Thursday and further x-rays of his front feet Wed. And well, just as I thought there were other things aside from the bone spurs and side bones going on.

Everything in the hind end is fine, aside from the soreness in his hip/pelvic area. Which Dr.Hersman said will warrant some more chiropractic work and equine massage. So, that was good.

But, in the front, you will never believe what they found. Left fore, broken coffin bone in the foot. The thought was that he probably did step on himself as evidenced by the lesion on his inside. But, unlike a normal horse where they would have stepped on cartilage, Kacey has the side bone there and thus nothing to help with the concussion. So, the concussion went all the way down into his foot and resulted in the fracture.
The side bone itself is still very hot on the bone scan, so we think still causing him some pain as well.

Plan - six to eight weeks of stall rest. Bute for ten days, continue the poliglycan injections and visit a corrective shoer for a shoe that will not allow his hoof to expand and agrivate or refracture the injury and return for x-rays in six weeks.

Wow!

Em

frugalannie
Jan. 10, 2008, 09:27 AM
Well, the good news is that it's going to heal (with the assistance of a few COTH jingles, of course). Congratulations!

CookiePony
Jan. 10, 2008, 09:58 AM
Aha! What interesting news! I wonder why the previous vets couldn't find the fracture. Kacey is lucky you were so persistent... jingles for him to heal quickly!

ThrghbrdJmpr
Jan. 10, 2008, 11:11 AM
WOW! That is a surprising find. I hope his recovery goes without incident and that he heals 100%. *jingles*

nature
Jan. 10, 2008, 12:32 PM
From your Dec 6 Opening post:

"The vet found soreness in his pelvis and shoulder and his right hind and also on his front feet. Esp. the left fore. The feet thing surprised me since I have owned and raised Kacey from birth and have never known him to have any issues at all. So, we x-rayed him. And they found the most severe case of side bone the vet has ever seen. Caused by continual concussion on hard ground."

This is a good example why people should immediately go to a lameness specialist when there is a problem. Your opening post is dated Dec 6, above. Too bad the original vet did not find the cofin bone fracture.

I hope your horse has a speedy and complete recovery.

kacey'srider
Jan. 10, 2008, 03:21 PM
From your Dec 6 Opening post:

"The vet found soreness in his pelvis and shoulder and his right hind and also on his front feet. Esp. the left fore. The feet thing surprised me since I have owned and raised Kacey from birth and have never known him to have any issues at all. So, we x-rayed him. And they found the most severe case of side bone the vet has ever seen. Caused by continual concussion on hard ground."

This is a good example why people should immediately go to a lameness specialist when there is a problem. Your opening post is dated Dec 6, above. Too bad the original vet did not find the cofin bone fracture.

I hope your horse has a speedy and complete recovery.


Well... the reason could be this. I think he did the fracture about a week after the first vet saw him. As evidenced by the laceration on his left fore. And if you read the bio on the first vet, it says that he does specialize in lameness. That being said, I have yet to find another vet half as good as Dr.Hersman in diagnosing lameness. He has an amazing eye for it.

And well, the second vet only had the x-rays taken from the first vet to go on. Although he was the lamest he had ever been when the second vet checked him out. I'm not sure why he did have a day or two of soundness in the mix of all that, except maybe it was b/c he was feeling really good those two days as it had finally warmed up in over a week. But when he continued to stay lame after two poliglycan injections, I had a feeling something else was wrong. Now we just have to heal him and figure out how to deal with the side bone. I think it is still painful b/c it is still in it's early stages.

Terrysmom
Jan. 10, 2008, 06:14 PM
But, in the front, you will never believe what they found. Left fore, broken coffin bone in the foot.

Oh Emily! I am so sorry to hear bout Kacey. But I am glad to hear you finally found the main problem.

But no fear...Terry and I have dealt with the same injury..she actually frax her coffin bone while i was still allowing her to "rehab" from the track and the effect of track shoeing....i had just a couple days previously decided not to shoe her and give her another 4 weeks of growing when BAM while I was lunging her---easy day, just trotting when from one step to next she is dead lame. Walking her back to the barn about the length of small pasture and you have thought she broke her ankle she was limping so badly.

First vet I had out was backup for our main vet :( (this was when we still lived in va--main vet was out with flu). Backup vet insisted it was an abscess, dug in her foot a nice hole, finally took xrays when i begged her and then left me to soak it. Whew that was a battle, but when she continued to not improve on meds and soaking (yes i follow instructions) i begg'd my vet to please come out as soon as he was well.

He saw Terry about 9 days out from the original injury, saw her move just up the barn aisle once, took new xrays, took to local hospital to have developed and called me back by the end of that day and said "just what I expected, she frax her coffin bone"...:eek:

I think he had to say my name multiple times over the phone to get my attention after that.:cry:
Then he proceeded to grab me out of the deep funk i disappeared into and helped me over the next 4 months of coming out when the farrier did to dope her (she wasnt good about hot shoeing) and taking xrays each shoeing to monitor her recovery and lets be honest hold my hand. When we finally fitted her for her bar shoe and stablized the foot, she never took another lame step. So there is hope.

Now seven years later, it is a non issue :)

Best of luck. I know Kacey is in the best of hands. Jingle, jingle

Felicia

kacey'srider
Jan. 11, 2008, 11:33 AM
Thank you, Felicia!

It is good to know that there are horses out there who are successful after recovering from such an injury.

I am waiting to hear back from the vet for info on our first appointment with a corrective farrier.

I'll keep ya posted!

kacey'srider
Mar. 12, 2008, 08:10 PM
I haven't posted in a while b/c WOW, what a roller coaster ride the past few months have been. You see, I am pregnant with my second child and after two trips to the ER, I was put on stall rest myself. I was only on strict bed rest for a total of about 5 days, but am now on just rest. I'll return to the doctor myself in a week for an update on my condition and to learn the sex of our baby, who, btw, has been healthy and fine through all this.

So, here we go... Kacey went back to the vet two weeks ago. Dr. Hersman was thrilled with the progress. The bone has almost healed minus one small space where there is now bone, it is just not solid yet. He was sound during the lameness exam and everything. And, the inflamation around the side bone has gone down a great deal. And, Dr. Hersman, being the great vet that he is said - "Well, as long as your on stall rest, let's keep him on stall rest for another six weeks and go from there."
You should have seen my sweet horse with his head & neck turned watching Brandon (my three year old son) and I throughout the x-ray process. We were bonded to say the least before, but now have truly become each other's key to the outside world. It was SO sweet and I cried.

Dr. Hersman also sent us for another round of corrective shoing. ($350 a pop! Yikes!) This farrier is amazing and truly knows his stuff. Flies all over the country to lecture and teach other farriers and has even done some work for the FEI. We spoke a great deal about eventing before he even touched Kacey the first time - and thank goodness b/c it eased my nerves. The two horses he shod before Kacey were western halter horses and I was terrified! I thought "Oh crap! We just thought my horse had problems before! Now he's going to leave here with feet like a western halter horse! Sh**!"

This is how the visit with the farrier went yesterday - Jimbo, the farrier, said that this could possibly be the best thing that has happened to him as far as the condition of his feet go.

He's now wearing 3's! He said that the two's were pinching his heels and causing them to collapse and that they were restricting his toe too much. He said after a few more rounds (at $350 a pop - yikes!) we should have some great heal and a good deal more foot/hoof to protect the coffin bone area along with all of the other fun stuff in the foot. He said it will be huge in keeping him sound and stopping further formation of the side bone - which, in his opinion, has a lot to do with the restriction of his heel in too small shoes so that there was not enough foot to take on the concussion of being worked and landing from fences. He also suggested that after this bone heals, a full leather or rim pad that you soak in water once a week or so to help alleviate further concussion. He said a wet leather pad is better then any rubber pad out there. AND, he graciously offered to work with my farrier and invited him to come work with him a few days. Not that he has time - but ...

It makes me sick to think that all of this could have been prevented or atleast delayed with proper shoing. I've cried multiple times over the past day about it. Don't get me wrong, my farrier has tried his heart out for Kacey and I and has worked with Kacey since he was four months old. He's only had shoes for the past year and a half. Poor farrier told me that he had many sleepless nights trying to figure out how to help Kacey. He comes tomorrow to trim my others, so I am going to give him the proposal of working with Jimbo and pray that he takes it. B/c after Kacey is fixed - I can't afford to keep going to Jimbo. But, if he can teach my guy, what a great opportunity!

My poor husband has been a doll through all of this, feeding the horses, we have 4, and cleaning stalls. And, he and Kacey DO NOT get along. Marty pretty much hates him and Kacey knows it. Kacey is opinionated and just not the typical laid back QH that my husband grew up with. I think they are both too much alike. Very opinionated, most of the time laid back and behaved, just don't tick either of them off, or you're asking for it.

I think all of this coinciding has a lot to do with God taking over and reminding me how blessed that I am to have what I do. A family that loves me and an amazing opportunity to be able to rasie my children and have horses in my life. I think He thought that it was time for me to slow down a bit... which has been VERY hard. I rode with Brandon until I was eight months pregnant and only stopped b/c I was teaching 1st grade full time and just did not have the energy to do both when I got bigger. I had planned to do it all again and even managed to get a month of training in on a friends horse. But, the Good Lord gave me a mountain and so I would not stress about NOT being able to ride my horse, put him on rest too. Last year we went all over the country competing and managed to qualify at AEC's in both Novice and YEH and it was a dream come true to me. I miss riding like mad, but know that after all of this is over, Kacey and I wll be back next year better then ever.

Thanks for letting me get all of this thought and reflection out of my system! And, keep jingling for Kacey and I please! :)

mmyers
Mar. 12, 2008, 09:43 PM
Hi Emily,
Just wanted to say I'm so glad Kacey's doing better, and I love your attitude about everything. Hope everything goes well for you, your baby and Kacey. Keep us posted!

Mary

CookiePony
Mar. 12, 2008, 10:39 PM
This sounds like a very hopeful situation! It sounds like Jimbo is willing to go the extra mile for Kacey and I hope that your regular farrier is willing to work with him. Don't hesistate to post again if you have hoof questions.

And congratulations on your second child-- even if it means stall rest for you! :cool:

kacey'srider
Mar. 13, 2008, 09:20 AM
Thank you for the kind words of encouragement! I will keep everyone posted on Kacey's (and my) progress. :D

kacey'srider
Apr. 12, 2008, 09:59 AM
I took Kacey to the vet again on Thursday. Unfortunately, with the bad storms that came through the NT area, the electricity at the facility was out. Still, Dr. Hersman did a lameness exam and Kacey trotted out SOUND!!!

I'll take him back in a month for more x-rays, but for now, continued stall rest AND, I can ride him at the walk in our arena!!! 20 - 30 minutes a day increasing to gradual trot sets by the end of the month!!!! Now - the horse it a "little" fresh to say the least. We have to take it VERY slowly and tenderly as this injury takes so long to completely heel. So, as I am 6 months pregnant and just off of stall rest myself, the vet gave me some Ace to give him the first few times I get on him. I am SO excited I can hardly stand it!!!:D

He was a bit sore on his left fore yesterday for the farrier, so I am going to wait a few days and get a call in to our accupuncturist before I get on and really really pamper his legs and feet. I am going to pack it with Magic Cushion today and go from there!!! The farrier, BTW is very pleased with his progress. His heels are progressing and he says we have changed the angles of his feet by over 15 degrees and bringing his foot back under him. I am interested to see him really move out in the next few months when he is able.

My little one is due August 2, so, it looks like Kacey and I will be back this fall!!!! Grandma and Grandmommy, get ready to go to some horse shows!!! :D

frugalannie
Apr. 12, 2008, 11:59 AM
Hooray! What good news.

CookiePony
Apr. 12, 2008, 08:39 PM
Way to go, Kacey! Just be careful when you get back on.

One of these days I hope to meet this horse that I've been sending healing vibes to from TN all these months!

RunForIt
Apr. 12, 2008, 09:25 PM
:yes:
I took Kacey to the vet again on Thursday. Unfortunately, with the bad storms that came through the NT area, the electricity at the facility was out. Still, Dr. Hersman did a lameness exam and Kacey trotted out SOUND!!!

I'll take him back in a month for more x-rays, but for now, continued stall rest AND, I can ride him at the walk in our arena!!! 20 - 30 minutes a day increasing to gradual trot sets by the end of the month!!!! Now - the horse it a "little" fresh to say the least. We have to take it VERY slowly and tenderly as this injury takes so long to completely heel. So, as I am 6 months pregnant and just off of stall rest myself, the vet gave me some Ace to give him the first few times I get on him. I am SO excited I can hardly stand it!!!:D

He was a bit sore on his left fore yesterday for the farrier, so I am going to wait a few days and get a call in to our accupuncturist before I get on and really really pamper his legs and feet. I am going to pack it with Magic Cushion today and go from there!!! The farrier, BTW is very pleased with his progress. His heels are progressing and he says we have changed the angles of his feet by over 15 degrees and bringing his foot back under him. I am interested to see him really move out in the next few months when he is able.

My little one is due August 2, so, it looks like Kacey and I will be back this fall!!!! Grandma and Grandmommy, get ready to go to some horse shows!!! :D

be careful - your balance is going to be different at six months pregnant! I rode (even at the trot - horsey was soooo quiet and lazy) until I was 8 months pregnant with my first daughter - stopped because it just wasn't smart AND almost impossible to get up, across, and into the saddle. Miy brain never figured out how to manage this "different" body. It went away - brain, however, is still trying to figure out how to manage my body while I'm riding. :lol: :cool:

be careful. ;) :yes: :cool:

kacey'srider
Apr. 13, 2008, 03:12 PM
Thank you SO much, everyone! And yes, I promise I will be careful getting back on. I rode Kacey's mother, a hot chestnut TB, until I was 8 months pregnant with Brandon. I am going to start off today by riding a friends draft cross. Mostly at the walk and a little trot. I want to have some strength back before I get on Kacey. And, I am going to be very careful with him. I am terrified of reinjury. The thought of doing banks again in the fall scares me a little too!

kacey'srider
Apr. 13, 2008, 03:14 PM
Way to go, Kacey! Just be careful when you get back on.

One of these days I hope to meet this horse that I've been sending healing vibes to from TN all these months!


Thank you SO much, Cookie Pony! You have NO idea how much the support of someone I have never met means to me. To really get through this injury is going to take time and patients and I have needed all the positive vibes I can get! I LOVE all of my fellow EVENTERS!!! :D

I hope to get Kacey to TN sometime in the next few years. I have a sister just outside of Franklin and want to come some time and do the River Glen HT.
:yes:

kacey'srider
Jul. 23, 2008, 09:35 PM
Sorry it's been so long since I've posted an update, but with a new baby almost here, a three year old son busy in swim lessons, day camp, and VBS, I just have not had much computer time!

So, here's the news! Mid June, Kacey was given a clean bill of health from Dr. Hersman!!!! :D The fracture is still visible on the x-rays, but mostly filled in, and Dr. Herman said they have done studies on this type of injury and on most horses, you can still see the site of the fracture 4 years later.

So, Kacey had two weeks of limited turn out in a run we built on to his stall. You should have seen the "airs above the ground" he did! :eek: What a happy boy he was. I, of course, cried! His whole demeanor changed. It must have been like getting out of jail. Then, he had two more weeks of turn out in a round pen with grass, carefully plucked of all rocks by my three year old son and I. And NOW, he has full turn out on the pasture with my old retired horse. I first turned him out on a day that was nice and hot, atleast 100 degrees, so it was to hot to run and buck. He was SO good! And I, of course, cried again! He is only turned out in the evenings and for about 4 - 5 hours at a time and is so used to being kept up, that he is now happy to go back to his stall, which still has the run on it.

You should see the big fat ugly bell boots that he gets to wear! I must atleast attempt to protect the side bone in whatever way I can. Which, by the way, according to the x-rays has pretty much solidified so should no longer be causing him any pain. My acupuncture/chiropractor/DVM put him on some herb that were supposed to help completly close the fracture. She is going to work on him again right before I start riding again as he has a few things that I think he messed up during his "happy dance" the first day in his run. She said w/out me riding him and keeping him straight, they'll probably just go back. So, since they are not causing pain, we will work on in a few weeks....

Yes, a few weeks! I go in to the hospital to be induced to have our baby girl on the 25th of July! Six weeks and Kacey and I will be on our road to full recovery and slowly but surely adventuring back into our beloved sport!!!

I CAN'T WAIT! :D and I'm pretty certain that I'll cry! :sadsmile::):sadsmile:

Eventrgrl
Jul. 23, 2008, 09:56 PM
What a happy update! You have definitely been through a lot, great to see you've almost reached the end of your stuggles!!

Out of curiousity, what herb are you giving Casey to help close the fracture?

CookiePony
Jul. 24, 2008, 12:12 PM
Hooray! And my best wishes for a smooth delivery tomorrow!

kacey'srider
Jul. 24, 2008, 07:52 PM
Thank you so much, everyone!

The herb that we used to help the fracture, and I am NOT the knowledgeable one about this, was called Jie Gu San. My acupuncture/chiro vet did a lot of research on this while she herself was on some bed rest after surgery that she had. I really trust her and firgured that it couldn't hurt!