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Drvmb1ggl3
Dec. 2, 2007, 04:06 PM
So I was looking up the addresses on Google maps of some relatives of mine that are scattered around the globe. I was surprised to find out that one of them lives real close to a major racecourse. So I got inquisitive and starting dragging my way back and forth across the earth to see if i could some of the world's major racetracks.

Here's a few that I found. It's cool too look at them from above. You can double click on the map to zoom in.

Churchill Downs (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=louisville+kentucky+churchill+downs&sll=38.161826,-85.777817&sspn=0.150089,0.257492&ie=UTF8&ll=38.202239,-85.770307&spn=0.009375,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), home of the Derby.

Saratoga (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=saratoga+springs+new+york&ie=UTF8&ll=43.071607,-73.769803&spn=0.008715,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), if you drag the map just north or south there are two other tracks, I imagine one is the Oklahoma training track, what's the other?

Arlington Park (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=chicago+illinois&ie=UTF8&ll=42.090484,-88.010402&spn=0.008853,0.016093&t=h&z=16&om=1), just north of Chicago.

Belmont (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=elmont+new+york+&ie=UTF8&ll=40.714558,-73.721867&spn=0.009043,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), the don't call it Big Sandy for nothing.

Newmarket (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=newmarket+england&ie=UTF8&ll=52.230481,0.355425&spn=0.029229,0.064545&t=k&z=14&om=1) , the spiritual home of racing. Massive course. The buildings in the centre are the stands on the Rowley Mile course, the smaller buildings lower down are the stands on the July course. Both courses are L-shaped and share the first straight mile stretch.

Sha Tin (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Sha+Tin+District,+Hong+Kong&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,22.387153,114.195345&ll=22.398769,114.207172&spn=0.01103,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1) , Hong Kong's crown jewel.

San Siro (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=milan+italy+san+siro&sll=45.463671,9.188126&sspn=0.267763,0.514984&ie=UTF8&ll=45.482108,9.128662&spn=0.01673,0.032187&t=k&z=15&om=1) in Milan, the large square looking stadium just south of the racecourse is the famous San Siro football stadium where AC Milan and Inter play.

Ascot (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=ascot+racecourse+england&sll=50.896375,-0.741105&sspn=0.01505,0.032187&ie=UTF8&ll=51.415508,-0.671024&spn=0.014881,0.032187&t=k&z=15&om=1) the home of the Royal meet. This satellite picture was obviously taken a couple of years ago when Ascot was undergoing major renovations. The brown strip to to the east is the straight Mile course.

Glorious Goodwood (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Goodwood+Racecourse,+Singleton,+West+Sussex,+Uni ted+Kingdom&sll=50.878777,-0.762348&sspn=0.007528,0.016093&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,50.891693,-0.743625&ll=50.896375,-0.741105&spn=0.01505,0.032187&t=h&z=15&om=1) sits in a bucolic setting in the Sussex Downs. Shape of the course is somewhat unusual. For long distance races like the Goodwood Cup, they start in front of the stands gallop out lefthanded and go around the loop and finish the race in the opposite direction they started on.

Epsom (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=51.309987,-0.257363&spn=0.014916,0.032187&t=h&z=15&om=1), home of the Derby.

Leopardstown (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=leopardstown+ireland&sll=51.309987,-0.257363&sspn=0.014916,0.032187&ie=UTF8&ll=53.265649,-6.18865&spn=0.014271,0.032187&t=h&z=15&om=1), on the southside of Dublin, used to have a sprint chute that extended from the bottom of the stretch, but the motorway took part of that away.

Google maps doesn't have good maps for rural Ireland, so can't really show the Curragh.

Longchamp (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=paris&ie=UTF8&ll=48.857826,2.234988&spn=0.015699,0.032272&t=k&z=15&om=1), right in middle of the Bois du Bologne in the centre of Paris. Perhaps the most beautiful racecourse in the world, though hard to really appreciate from an aerial view.
Auteuil (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=paris&ie=UTF8&ll=48.852701,2.258141&spn=0.0157,0.032272&t=k&z=15&om=1), also in Paris and ground zero for French jump racing, has a figure-of-8 shaped course. Just to show how close Longchamp/Auteuil (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=paris&ie=UTF8&ll=48.855849,2.240696&spn=0.031399,0.064545&t=k&z=14&om=1) are, not much more than a mile or so apart.

Windsor (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=windsor+england+racecourse&sll=51.477427,-0.616951&sspn=0.059445,0.129089&ie=UTF8&ll=51.489387,-0.635941&spn=0.007429,0.016136&t=k&z=16&om=1), another figure-of-8 shaped course, close to Windsor Castle.

Cheltenham (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=cheltenham+england+racecourse&sll=51.489387,-0.635941&sspn=0.007429,0.016136&ie=UTF8&ll=51.920662,-2.058263&spn=0.014716,0.032272&t=k&z=15&om=1), the Mecca for jump racing worldwide.

Aintree, (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=aintree+england+racecourse&sll=51.920662,-2.058263&sspn=0.014716,0.032187&ie=UTF8&ll=53.47566,-2.94086&spn=0.014201,0.032187&t=k&z=15&om=1) home of the Grand National, the large loop that extends off to the East is the National course, the 90 turn in the top right corner is the Canal turn.

Flemington (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Flemington+Racecourse+Station,+Victoria,+Austral ia&sll=53.47566,-2.94086&sspn=0.014201,0.032187&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=0,-37.788131,144.906835&ll=-37.790591,144.915462&spn=0.018856,0.032187&t=k&z=15&om=1), home to the "race that stops a nation", the Melbourne Cup.

Moonee Valley (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=moonee+valley+racecourse+australia+victoria&sll=-21.165115,149.136454&sspn=44.582683,65.917969&ie=UTF8&ll=-37.766042,144.933025&spn=0.009431,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), somewhat unusually shaped course, like a rectangle, where some of Australia's biggest races, including the Cox Plate, are held.

Santa Anita (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=santa+anita+los+angeles+california&sll=-22.972302,-43.220258&sspn=0.010984,0.016093&ie=UTF8&ll=34.141699,-118.045135&spn=0.009874,0.016093&t=k&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1), with the hillside Turf course prominently displayed.

Hollywood Park (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=los+angeles+california+inglewood&sll=33.929972,-118.115044&sspn=0.079192,0.128746&ie=UTF8&ll=33.949982,-118.338203&spn=0.009897,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), SA's close neighbour in Inglewood

Del Mar (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=del+mar+california+&ie=UTF8&ll=32.975692,-117.261586&spn=0.010008,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), surf and turf, drag the map to the west to see the Pacific ocean.

Aqueduct (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Jamaica,+Queens,+New+York,+United+States&sll=40.577358,-73.942237&sspn=0.009062,0.016093&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,40.701820,-73.808420&ll=40.67216,-73.82952&spn=0.009049,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), with it's three courses, inner and outer dirt and turf.

Keenland in Lexington (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=lexington+kentucky&ie=UTF8&ll=38.046131,-84.608459&spn=0.009395,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1)

Tokyo Racecourse (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=fuchu+tokyo&ie=UTF8&ll=35.661794,139.485641&spn=0.009693,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), home of the Japan Cup among others, an American oval style but with the 12f Turf on the outside, a dirt track inside that and an inner turf for jump racing (you can actually see the jumps on the course).

Nad al Sheba (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=dubai++uae&sll=25.271139,55.307485&sspn=1.380917,2.059937&ie=UTF8&ll=25.160415,55.31054&spn=0.021597,0.032187&t=h&z=15&om=1), the home of the world's richest race, the Dubai World Cup, a triangular shaped track with a 6f sprint chute.

Woodbine (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Rexdale,+Ontario,+Canada+&sll=40.673185,-74.635406&sspn=0.009049,0.016093&ie=UTF8&ll=43.712386,-79.603629&spn=0.008624,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1) , in Toronto, the big sweeping EP Taylor turf course outside of the Polytrack oval.

San Isidro (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Buenos+Aires,+Argentina+san+isidro&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.483,-58.517175&spn=0.019668,0.032187&t=h&z=15&om=1), Argentina's premier track, has both Sand and Turf courses.

Gavea (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=G%C3%A1vea,+Rio+de+Janeiro+-+RJ,+Brazil&sll=-34.483,-58.517175&sspn=0.019668,0.032187&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,-22.984374,-43.243502&ll=-22.972302,-43.220258&spn=0.010984,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), just outside of Rio de Janiero, Brasil's premier track.

Renae
Dec. 2, 2007, 04:43 PM
Canterbury Park (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=1100+Canterbury+Rd+S,+Shakopee,+MN&sll=44.79807,-93.52661&sspn=0.372252,0.63858&ie=UTF8&ll=44.787942,-93.475542&spn=0.011635,0.019956&t=h&z=16&om=1) in Minnesota, the first place I ever saw a horse race

Cannon Valley Fairgrounds (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=6157+327th+St+Way,+Cannon+Falls,+Goodhue,+Minnes ota+55009,+United+States&sll=44.471797,-92.907729&sspn=0.011698,0.019956&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,44.474533,-92.912997&ll=44.472103,-92.90818&spn=0.011698,0.019956&t=h&z=16&om=1)- where I used to go watch a friend do some amateur harness racing

The Red Mile (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=the+red+mile&sll=44.472103,-92.90818&sspn=0.011698,0.019956&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&om=1)- I've gotten to work horses on that track only because they convert the stretch in front of the grandstand into a show ring once a year for the Lexington Junior League Show :)

Minnesota State Fairgrounds (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=minnesota+state+fairgrounds&sll=43.062931,-73.76475&sspn=0.005989,0.009978&ie=UTF8&ll=46.681696,-92.10135&spn=0.002812,0.004989&t=k&z=18&om=1)- they don't race horses there any more, but that grandstand is known as "The House that Dan Built", it was built for all the people that wanted to come see Dan Patch pace

Glimmerglass
Dec. 2, 2007, 05:00 PM
Great work digging this detail up - thanks for the hard work in getting the addresses punched in, et al!


Saratoga (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=saratoga+springs+new+york&ie=UTF8&ll=43.071607,-73.769803&spn=0.008715,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1), if you drag the map just north or south there are two other tracks, I imagine one is the Oklahoma training track, what's the other?

To the south is the former 106-acre home of the Whitney family Greentree stable's track which was acquired by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum in Jan 2007 from Bob McNair’s Stonerside Stable farm for nearly $17.5-million. As you can see horses can easily be stabled and trained then walked over to Spa for the racing - if it wasn't for the NYRA rules on the detention barn stay first before running ;) The Yaddo art colony is to the immediate right of that stable facility.

Hawthorne Race Course in the Chicago suburb of Cicero (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-33,GGLG:en&q=3501+S+Laramie+Ave,+Cicero,+IL+60804,+USA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl); with the former neighboring Sportsman's Park race track to the north which was converted into a car-racing oval in the last decade.

Barnfairy
Dec. 2, 2007, 05:52 PM
What an awesome thread! Really shows the difference (well, one of the biggest differences) between European TB racing and American TB racing.

Forgive me for correcting, but this is Suffolk Downs (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Suffolk+Downs+MA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=79.618667,106.875&ie=UTF8&ll=42.396492,-71.002064&spn=0.018857,0.026093&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1), unmistakable with its gas tank farm out front. (Saratoga is coming up for me in your link, Glimmer.)

Rockingham Park (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Rockingham+Park+NH+&sll=42.396492,-71.002064&sspn=0.012265,0.012531&ie=UTF8&ll=42.778708,-71.22797&spn=0.02438,0.025063&t=h&z=14&iwloc=addr&om=1) Salem, NH currently a harness track

The (now defunct) bullring at the Tri County Fairgrounds (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Bridge+St+Northampton+MA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=79.618667,105.46875&ie=UTF8&ll=42.328505,-72.624393&spn=0.018878,0.025749&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1) Northampton, MA

jengersnap
Dec. 3, 2007, 08:14 AM
These are so cool! Thanks for sharing the fruit of your labors!

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 10:29 AM
Tapeta Farm on Maryland's Eastern Shore (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=100+Piney+Creek+Ln,+North+East,+MD+21901,+U SA&ie=UTF8&ll=39.506723,-75.941963&spn=0.010099,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1) the current (for a little while longer) home of Michael Dickinson.

"Old Hilltop" - Pimlico - Baltimore, MD (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=5201+Park+Heights+Ave,+Baltimore,+MD+21215, +USA&ie=UTF8&ll=39.34905,-76.675901&spn=0.010122,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1)

Laurel Race Track - Laurel, MD (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Racetrack+Road+%26+Route+198+Laurel,+Maryland+20 725&ie=UTF8&ll=39.103773,-76.829989&spn=0.010157,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1)

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 10:40 AM
Finger Lakes Race Track (see middle of page at left) (http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Finger+Lakes+Race+Track&fb=1&near=Canandaigua,+NY&cd=1&cid=0,0,7120971117217061490&li=lmd&t=h&ie=UTF8&ll=42.973318,-77.314138&spn=0.038308,0.069265&z=14&iwloc=A&om=1) - you'll need to zoom in a bit more to get detail ;)

It looks like some form of training track just to the southeast of the main track.

Madeline
Dec. 3, 2007, 10:49 AM
And for those of us with leanings toward Timber racing, here's the Maryland Hunt Cup Course. Map should be centered on the (in)famous third fence.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Glyndon,+MD&sll=39.504041,-75.893555&sspn=3.602242,7.404785&ie=UTF8

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 10:57 AM
Aiken, SC - Aiken Training Track (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=538+Two+Notch+Rd+SE,+Aiken,+SC+29801,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=33.546223,-81.71442&spn=0.010909,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1); to the west is a private track that used to be part of the late F. Ambrose Clark's estate (Kellsboro) - later owned for a time by Pete Bostwick. I'm not sure what that small track is used for although it looks to be a polo pitch in the middle of it.

Drvmb1ggl3
Dec. 3, 2007, 11:03 AM
La Zarzuela (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=la+zarzuela+madrid+spain+hipodromo&sll=40.41745,-3.696706&sspn=0.008626,0.016136&ie=UTF8&ll=40.469608,-3.755565&spn=0.017238,0.032272&t=h&z=15&om=1), in Madrid. A first glance it looks like a run of the mill oval (except the Turf is outside the Dirt), but if you look closer you'll see a chute for straight 6f races that goes to the north. Now if you zoom in on the chute you'll see that it passes over a major highway!!

Ok, fixed the link... thanks for the heads up Glimmer!

WhiteCamry
Dec. 3, 2007, 11:07 AM
The non-US tracks definitely show more imagination in design.

Drvmb1ggl3
Dec. 3, 2007, 11:07 AM
Then there's this one (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=st+moritz+switzerland&sll=40.469608,-3.755565&sspn=0.017238,0.032272&ie=UTF8&ll=46.494079,9.847784&spn=0.015599,0.032272&t=h&z=15&om=1).
Wait, you say... that's a lake, not a racecourse!
Well, it is a racecourse in the wintertime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqcv-34uqkk&feature=related)!

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 11:21 AM
Drvmb1ggl3, I think you're experiencing the same problem I had with populating a new address into just the google map address section - it doesn't change the URL. So your postings keep repeating the Laurel, MD address ;)

Barnfairy pointed the same out problem with my posting when I used Saratoga as the template and tried to redirect the East Boston track.

Texarkana
Dec. 3, 2007, 11:45 AM
I love seeing some of these foreign tracks!

Drvmb1ggl3
Dec. 3, 2007, 01:38 PM
Maison-Laffite (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Avenue+de+la+Pelouse++78600+MAISONS+LAFFITTE&sll=48.958118,2.170708&sspn=0.007834,0.016136&ie=UTF8&ll=48.953255,2.16877&spn=0.015669,0.032272&t=h&z=15&om=1), just outside Paris on the banks of the Seine, has the longest straight in the world along with Newmarket in England, and can run races up to 1¼m with no turns (imagine the Kentucky Derby in a straight line). They also card races in both directions there, they have three different finish lines depending on where they start and what direction they are going in.

Windsor1
Dec. 3, 2007, 04:35 PM
To the south is the former 106-acre home of the Whitney family Greentree stable's track which was acquired by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum in Jan 2007 from Bob McNair’s Stonerside Stable farm for nearly $17.5-million.

I wondered whether one of the other tracks might be the harness track at Saratoga Gaming and Raceway--would that be kinda west and south of SAR?

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 04:41 PM
I wondered whether one of the other tracks might be the harness track at Saratoga Gaming and Raceway--would that be kinda west and south of SAR?

The harness track isn't too far away, but is not as immediately next door as the former Greentree stables are. Union Avenue divides the Saratoga race track from the Oklahoma training track. No public road divides Greentree from the Saratoga track; I-81 ("Northway") is the major highway beside the Greentree track.

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 04:47 PM
In case anyone thinks that DelMar is the track closest to saltwater in the US - I do think Golden Gate Field's in San Fran (http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Golden+Gate+Fields&fb=1&cid=0,0,9243843620808768090&near=Berkeley,+CA&cd=1&ie=UTF8&ll=37.883288,-122.307293&spn=0.010331,0.017316&t=k&z=16&om=1) might win the nod.

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 05:06 PM
Turf Paradise in Phoenix, AZ (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&q=1501+W+Bell+Rd+Phoenix,+AZ+85023&ll=33.64008,-112.091467&spn=0.010897,0.017316&t=k&z=16&om=1)

Monmouth Park Race Track - Oceanport, NJ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=175+Oceanport+Ave,+Oceanport,+NJ+07757,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=40.307725,-74.019635&spn=0.009982,0.017316&t=k&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1) - as we can see the Pacfici Ocean is vastly closer to DelMar, then the Atlantic is to 'Oceanport' ;)

Atlantic City Race Course (Mays Landing) - NJ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=4501+Black+Horse+Pike,+Mays+Landing,+NJ+083 30,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=39.457502,-74.636478&spn=0.010106,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1)

Still there like a ghost, the unused but oh so once glorious Hialeah Race Track in FL (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2200+E+4th+Ave,+Hialeah,+FL+33013,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=25.842057,-80.274096&spn=0.01178,0.017316&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1); the green in the middle of the track is the flamingo lake.

Madeline
Dec. 3, 2007, 05:42 PM
I wondered whether one of the other tracks might be the harness track at Saratoga Gaming and Raceway--would that be kinda west and south of SAR?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=saratoga+springs+new+york&ie=UTF8&ll=43.071607,-73.769803&spn=0.008715,0.016093&t=k&z=16&om=1

With luck, the map is now centered on Saratoga Harness. Just above and to the left is the harness training track.

miss_critic
Dec. 3, 2007, 06:00 PM
What I would like do is figure out how to overlay the images. Anybody figure that out? Randy Moss is always talking about doing this during the Preakness.

Glimmerglass
Dec. 3, 2007, 06:00 PM
This is more centered on the harness track:

Saratoga Gaming & Raceway - on Jefferson Street (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=342+Jefferson+St,+Saratoga+Springs,+NY+1286 6,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=43.061238,-73.778536&spn=0.009563,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1); Nelson Avenue divides the harness race track from the Saratoga Race Course and formerGreentree stables now owned by Sheikh Mo.

Barnfairy
Dec. 3, 2007, 06:23 PM
Anybody notice how the general parking areas at many of the American tracks are ghost-town empty? :uhoh:

I wonder when some of these pictures were taken. At Suffolk I can tell that the picture was taken during the live season; the trees are green and the parking area at the backside is full...I *think* I can even see a few horses -(or are those tractors?)- on the track, so I'm guessing it's late morning...

miss_critic
Dec. 3, 2007, 07:38 PM
They supposedly fly in the late fall when it is still somewhat resembles natural colors but late enough so that the bush, shrub, and trees are down. I know they are in the process of re-flying alot of areas where the resolution is poor.

However, we have questioned this (the season they fly) often but it does appear that the areas they have recently flown follow this-or they are at least using some fancy equipment that allows you to "see through" the trees as you zoom in. Google Earth, which you have to buy, is much better! It is super cool.

Madeline
Dec. 3, 2007, 07:57 PM
This is more centered on the harness track:

Saratoga Gaming & Raceway - on Jefferson Street (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=342+Jefferson+St,+Saratoga+Springs,+NY+1286 6,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=43.061238,-73.778536&spn=0.009563,0.017316&t=h&z=16&om=1); Nelson Avenue divides the harness race track from the Saratoga Race Course and formerGreentree stables now owned by Sheikh Mo.

OOps. I missed. I could have sworn that I had moved the center... Glimmerglass has it correct.

You can also see the Clare Court training track just south of the main track, and the original track just south of the Oklahoma. Clare court is still in use for training.

Drvmb1ggl3
Dec. 3, 2007, 10:43 PM
The Chantilly training centre (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=chantilly+france&ie=UTF8&ll=49.175139,2.456818&spn=0.023118,0.055876&t=h&z=14&om=0) north of Paris. Over 4500 acres, most of it wooded, it has close to 75 miles of gallops, which weave their way in and out of the woods. If you zoom you can make out the gallops through the trees and the various barns where the 2500 odd horses who train there are stabled. The longest gallop is the Piste de Lions which runs 2.5 miles dead straight through the forest southwest from the Chateau de Chantilly.

nightmoves
Dec. 4, 2007, 08:10 AM
Tampa Downs http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&tp=1&tt=Tampa%20downs&q1=Micanopy%20FL%2032667&trf=0&lon=-82.645823&lat=28.050811&mag=2
Balmoral Park http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&tp=1&tt=BALMORAL%20Park,%20Crete%20IL&trf=0&lon=-87.625344&lat=41.414668&mag=3

WhiteCamry
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:17 AM
La Zarzuela (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=la+zarzuela+madrid+spain+hipodromo&sll=40.41745,-3.696706&sspn=0.008626,0.016136&ie=UTF8&ll=40.469608,-3.755565&spn=0.017238,0.032272&t=h&z=15&om=1), in Madrid. A first glance it looks like a run of the mill oval (except the Turf is outside the Dirt), but if you look closer you'll see a chute for straight 6f races that goes to the north. Now if you zoom in on the chute you'll see that it passes over a major highway!!

Ok, fixed the link... thanks for the heads up Glimmer!

The dirt track looks like a harness track.

Glimmerglass
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:48 AM
Balmoral Park

I think this link shows that harness track a bit better. Balmoral Park - Crete, IL (Will County) (http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=26435+S.+Dixie+Highway+%C2%B7+Crete,+IL+60417&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl)

Madeline
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:51 AM
Balmoral Park http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&tp=1&tt=BALMORAL%20Park,%20Crete%20IL&trf=0&lon=-87.625344&lat=41.414668&mag=3

Is that a defunct harness or greyhound track at Balmoral?

Glimmerglass
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:09 AM
Is that a defunct harness or greyhound track at Balmoral?

It is an active harness track. TVG airs the racing late in the evening. I stable my mare down in that relative area (it takes about an hour driving south from Chicago)

Balmoral Park (http://www.balmoralpark.com/Groups.cfm?Cat=G); which also is a OTB facility as well so I've placed bets there. In fact I recall betting on Sweet Catomine in the Santa Anita Derby from that track after a riding lesson :)

Madeline
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:18 AM
Nice/Cagnes-sur-mer, France

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Nice+,+France&ie=UTF8&ll=43.64828,7.14607&spn=0.006925,0.014462&t=h&z=16&om=1

They run trotters, runners and jumpers. There's an all weather track of about 1.3 miles. Harness track is .8 mile. Turf and jumpers of varying lengths and configurations. I don't know what goes on in the infield...

Madeline
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:21 AM
It is an active harness track. TVG airs the racing late in the evening. I stable my mare down in that relative area (it takes about an hour driving south from Chicago)

Balmoral Park (http://www.balmoralpark.com/Groups.cfm?Cat=G); which also is a OTB facility as well so I've placed bets there. In fact I recall betting on Sweet Catomine in the Santa Anita Derby from that track after a riding lesson :)

Didn't realize it was a harness track. So is it a defunct greyhound track in the infield? Or mini-cars?

nightmoves
Dec. 4, 2007, 08:37 PM
Is that a defunct harness or greyhound track at Balmoral?
Balmoral use to be a 5/8ths track and has only been a mile for less than 10 years. So, that's the old track. The meet use to be TB's half the year and Harness the other half now it's harness year around.

Xctrygirl
Dec. 4, 2007, 08:56 PM
Well if you squint with this link you can see Great Meadow, home of the Virginia Gold Cup and International Gold Cup.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=5089+Old+Tavern+Road,+Warrenton,+Va&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Fair Hill Training Center is here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=5089+Old+Tavern+Road,+Warrenton,+Va&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

~Emily

WhiteCamry
Dec. 5, 2007, 10:08 AM
Well if you squint with this link you can see Great Meadow, home of the Virginia Gold Cup and International Gold Cup.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=5089+Old+Tavern+Road,+Warrenton,+Va&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Fair Hill Training Center is here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=5089+Old+Tavern+Road,+Warrenton,+Va&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

~Emily

All I get is a generic map of the US and a message saying "We were not able to locate the address:"
:confused:

Glimmerglass
Dec. 5, 2007, 11:16 AM
There isn't google satellite map coverage for The Plains, VA (Great Meadow) nor is there coverage over most of Wester Loudoun Co or Fauquier Co.

It raises an interesting quirk about google as it would seem to appear that some locations are protected from prying eyes from above. No I'm not talking about government military bases and the like. But rather the oddity, for example, of not getting see Tuxedo Park, NY yet lands outside that 3,000 acrea gated community is available vai satellite.

Xctrygirl
Dec. 5, 2007, 11:29 AM
Ok Corrected::

Great Meadow:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=5089+Old+Tavern+Road,+The%20Plains,+Va&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


Fair Hill:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=708+Training+Center+DR,+Elkton,+Md&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Sorry forgot about that with Google.

~Emily

Glimmerglass
Jun. 23, 2011, 10:49 AM
Digging up an old thread ....

Middleburg Training Center - M'burg VA (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Training+Center+Lane,+Middleburg,+VA&hl=en&sll=38.997277,-77.786429&sspn=0.01064,0.025771&t=h&z=16)

Barnfairy
Jun. 23, 2011, 12:26 PM
Events of the day have me in a nostalgic mood.

(Defunct) Narragansett Park:

Then (http://youtu.be/Hbq_tkDqJCY), and

Now (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=643+Narragansett+Park+Drive,+Pawtucket,+RI&hl=en&ll=41.863249,-71.347725&spn=0.006872,0.016093&sll=41.862676,-71.347732&sspn=0.006872,0.016093&t=h&z=16).

Yes, that's right, all that's left is the grandstand, and it's a BLDG #19 (http://www.artinruins.com/arch/?id=stillinuse&pr=narrracetrack) discount retail center. Good stuff cheap.

Lincoln Downs:

Then (http://www.cardcow.com/images/set278/card00876_fr.jpg), and

Now (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=100+Twin+River+Road,+Lincoln,+RI&hl=en&ll=41.888094,-71.448748&spn=0.008482,0.022638&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.915634,92.724609&t=h&z=16) - Twin Rivers Casino (no live racing)

One more: random google map of interest (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1090+3rd+Street,+Santa+Monica,+California&hl=en&ll=34.019786,-118.500965&spn=0.000478,0.001006&sll=41.863249,-71.347725&sspn=0.006872,0.016093&t=h&z=20)

How does that relate to racing? The notorious fugitive arrested at that location earlier today was the leader of the gang which once fixed races at Suffolk Downs (http://www.nysun.com/new-york/greatest-race-fixer-of-them-all/7761/).

Thus ends my history lesson for the day.

Glimmerglass
Jun. 23, 2011, 12:56 PM
One more: random google map of interest (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1090+3rd+Street,+Santa+Monica,+California&hl=en&ll=34.019786,-118.500965&spn=0.000478,0.001006&sll=41.863249,-71.347725&sspn=0.006872,0.016093&t=h&z=20)

And to think the Globe and Herald were spinning yarn for years with saying he was over in the 'old country' - Cork or Wicklow. Such b.s. The current leaders at the FBI deserve credit for focusing on the gf and her personal traits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHksLNSM9HI) and habits as a way of uncovering her and leading to him. 48-hours late they got their man.

As for his old neighborhood I suspect they denied knowing jack but how exactly does this work, for example: Tax bills on Quincy home of Whitey Bulger's girlfriend sent to South Boston (http://www.heraldnews.com/breaking/x1336445973/Tax-bills-on-Quincy-home-of-Whitey-Bulgers-girlfriend-sent-to-South-Boston). "The bills, which total about $4,600 a year, are paid on time."

Anyhow maybe now that he'll be back in Beantown he will get to watch the Suffolk ponies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw) from his cell.

Glimmerglass
Jun. 23, 2011, 01:18 PM
This may have been posted before: Atlantic City Race Course (NJ) (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=atlantic+city+race+course&hl=en&ll=39.45703,-74.634397&spn=0.005285,0.012885&fb=1&gl=us&cid=0,0,9384661424062219369&sqi=2&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A)

Barrington (MA) Fair in the Berkshires - now defunct (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=great+barrington+fair,+great+barrington+ma&hl=en&ll=42.183314,-73.360198&spn=0.010144,0.025771&sll=39.457038,-74.634397&sspn=0.01057,0.025771&gl=us&t=h&z=16)

A 2010 photo of the saddling stalls left at Barrington (http://www.flickr.com/photos/timheffernan/4865888068/in/set-72157622018057934/) as well as this shot where the wager returns have faded (http://www.flickr.com/photos/timheffernan/5129030803/in/set-72157622018057934)

Three County Fair in Northampton, MA (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=three+county+fair+northampton+ma&hl=en&ll=42.326197,-72.620552&spn=0.005061,0.012885&client=firefox-a&t=h&z=17) - horse racing was discontinued a few years ago. Although this is where Zippy Chipp made his 100th career start in 2004 (http://www.equidaily.com/bestbet/extras/misc/zippy.html)

Barnfairy
Jun. 23, 2011, 03:26 PM
Well then, let's just complete the defunct MA fair circuit, shall we?

Berkshire Downs (http://www.satelliteviews.net/cgi-bin/g.cgi?fid=606668&state=MA&ftype=locale)

Where there was once a 1/2 mile dirt oval in Weymouth is now a housing development (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2283/1622908539_ab4e723300.jpg).

Brockton Fair (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=433+Forest+Ave,+Brockton,+MA&hl=en&ll=42.072233,-71.040559&spn=0.006849,0.016093&sll=42.183314,-73.360198&sspn=0.006837,0.016093&gl=us&t=h&z=16), the only track with a shot at making a comeback, as far as I know.

The joint busting 1/4 mile track at the Marshfield Fair (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=140+Main+Street,+Marshfield,+MA&hl=en&ll=42.099026,-70.717653&spn=0.001712,0.004023&t=h&z=18) is no longer visible as an oval, but you can make out the grandstand (http://webzoom.freewebs.com/ranlayracing/1099%20Marshfield%20Fair/060821%2007%20Grandstands-large.jpg) off to the side. The main attraction on the old track site there now is the demolition derby (http://patriotledger.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge_remote.asp?source=jsapi&remoteimageid=3050794).


And to think the Globe and Herald were spinning yarn for years with saying he was over in the 'old country' - Cork or Wicklow.To be fair, initial reports suggest that "Charlie" and his lady friend had only been in residence at the Eugenie apt for a year. Their whereabouts prior to that? Who knows....I guess we'll find out!

Glimmerglass
Jun. 23, 2011, 05:43 PM
Well then, let's just complete the defunct MA fair circuit, shall we?

Berkshire Downs (http://www.satelliteviews.net/cgi-bin/g.cgi?fid=606668&state=MA&ftype=locale)

A yes this is the same track that Ol' Blue Eyes - Frank Sinatra - owned a stake in and was a director not Chairman, however (http://www.crimemagazine.com/frank-sinatra-and-mob) ;)


Raymond Patriarca was the crime boss of Providence, R.I. In the early 1950s he moved in on organized crime in Boston and by 1954 had control of all of New England. There are many rumors about Patriarca's connection with both Joseph P. Kennedy and Frank Sinatra.

In 1963 Sinatra invested $55,000 in the Berkshire Downs Racetrack in western Massachusetts. He and Dean Martin were named directors of the track. Rumors abounded, and were often repeated in the FBI files, that Sinatra was a front for the real owners of the racetrack: Raymond Patriarca and Gaetano ''Three-finger Brown'' Lucchese. The track went bankrupt in 1965, but the deal came back to haunt Sinatra years later.

Oh, the shark has pretty teeth dear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOG33q3l14s) .. and he shows 'em, pearly whites

Glimmerglass
Jun. 23, 2011, 05:50 PM
To be fair, initial reports suggest that "Charlie" and his lady friend had only been in residence at the Eugenie apt for a year. Their whereabouts prior to that? Who knows....I guess we'll find out!

Looks like Chuck and Carol have been there a while (http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/06/james-whitey-bulger-lived-rent-controlled-apartment-since-the-records-suggest/QB8QJamrmX5OsVaeA3LpkO/index.html) - maybe even went to Santa Anita ;)


According to the property manager, the couple have rented Unit 303 under the names of Charles and Carol Gasko since sometime in the mid-1990s.

“It was a regular apartment,’’ said Joshua Bond, 28. “There was nothing special about it.’’

According to Santa Monica Rent Control Board records, Unit 303 has been continuously occupied by the same tenants since at least Jan. 1, 1999, when new rent control rules took effect in the coastal city.

Drvmb1ggl3
Jun. 23, 2011, 09:14 PM
Aerial view of Laytown (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Laytown,+meath&hl=en&ll=53.693251,-6.243496&spn=0.066575,0.140419&sll=53.694572,-6.246929&sspn=0.066573,0.140419&t=h&z=13).
"What?", I hear you say, "that's not a racecourse, that's a mile of straight sandy beach". Once a year there is a race meeting held there, as you can see in this video (http://youtu.be/xC3lNmXNLqc). As far as I know the only recognized race meet in the world held on a beach.

Drvmb1ggl3
Jun. 23, 2011, 09:28 PM
Ippodromo Cappanelle (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ippodromo+roma+capannelle&hl=en&ll=41.823941,12.575269&spn=0.020148,0.035105&sll=40.714558,-73.721867&sspn=0.010653,0.017552&radius=15000&t=k&z=15) in Rome.

Drvmb1ggl3
Jun. 23, 2011, 09:39 PM
Here is Cartmel (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cartmel+england&hl=en&ll=54.202303,-2.955751&spn=0.008221,0.017552&sll=41.824357,12.575269&sspn=0.020148,0.035105&t=k&z=16), one of the quaintest courses anywhere in the world. Situated right next to the beautiful old village of the same name in the north of England. Course is highly unusual in that the "home stretch" cuts diagonally across the center of the course, and the grandstand is in the infield, as it were.
Here's a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbYDrCmDL4U) of a race at Cartmel.

Drvmb1ggl3
Jun. 23, 2011, 09:57 PM
Kentucky Downs (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=downs&hl=en&ll=36.643734,-86.564863&spn=0.010709,0.013604&sll=36.642116,-86.565399&sspn=0.010709,0.013604&t=h&radius=0.45&z=16)in Franklin KY, one of the more unusual tracks in the USA... all turf and pear shaped.

Glimmerglass
Jun. 23, 2011, 11:47 PM
Steeplechasing:

Annual Carolina Cup - Springdale Race Course, Camden SC (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=200+Knights+Hills+Rd+Camden,+South+Carolina&hl=en&ll=34.278212,-80.624542&spn=0.021596,0.051541&client=firefox-a&t=h&z=15)

Grand National (US) Reisterstown, MD (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=3010+Butler+Road,+Reisterstown,+MD&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1582&bih=736&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89c814940a92573d:0xe83e5d314fd8c4e4,3010+B utler+Rd,+Reisterstown,+MD+21136&gl=us&ei=jwYETpPPL8nW0QHlr933Cg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA)

Also

Mountineer Race Course, Chester, West VA (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mountineer+race+course+west+virginia&hl=en&ll=40.576054,-80.660763&spn=0.019036,0.051541&sll=39.521621,-76.755166&sspn=0.01008,0.025771&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A)

Vernon Downs (harness) in Vernon, NY (Central NY) (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Vernon+Downs,+Vernon,+NY&hl=en&ll=43.067242,-75.530448&spn=0.009547,0.025771&sll=42.492353,-72.784424&sspn=2.466632,6.59729&t=h&z=16)

Tiaga Downs (harness) in Nichols, NY (Southern Tier, west of Endicott) (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2384+West+River+Road+Nichols,+NY&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&gl=us&t=h&z=16)