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Eventing Princess
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:11 PM
So we've all heard of Hunter Princesses and Dressage Queens, but is there such a thing as an Eventing Princess? If so, what defines them? How would you spot one? etc.

olympicprincess
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:36 PM
Hmmm... I think you must have an idea since it's your username. ;)

Yes, there are EP's. :yes:

They have the newest/ whatever's "in" at the moment for the sport.

Oh yeah, and they're probably always spotless... I loathe these types of horse people! :mad: :winkgrin:

snoopy
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:36 PM
So we've all heard of Hunter Princesses and Dressage Queens, but is there such a thing as an Eventing Princess? If so, what defines them? How would you spot one? etc.


DC!!!!;)

BarbB
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:37 PM
Yes, but they don't make it past the first water jump.

deltawave
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:40 PM
There are a few stereotypes that would probably fit the bill, but none of them are particularly flattering. Kind of like most stereotypes. :)

I picture the young, wealthy person on an imported ex **** horse going around Training level.

But given the opportunity, I would LOVE to have an ex **** horse and might just do the same thing, even though the "young and wealthy" part doesn't apply! :lol:

tx3dayeventer
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:43 PM
I picture the young, wealthy person on an imported ex **** horse going around Training level.


HAHa isn't this the truth :lol: But wouldn't we all love the **** packer :) Unfortuantly most of us cant afford the 6-zero price tag :lol:

ss3777
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:47 PM
well, I guess I will never make it, I am the original messy marvin. Even when I try to stay spotless, it never happens :(

VicarageVee
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:56 PM
Yes, but they don't make it past the first water jump.

I might argue differently. I think the difference between EPs and DQs of HPs is that they DO make it past the first water jump, precisely because they have an imported Irish *** horse packing them around Advanced. They also have all the must-haves, including the 14 ft LQ (tastefully appointed), 2 other imported *** horses incase the packer gets a boo-boo (did I mention that all 3 MUST be in FULL training?). And, yes, they are spotless.

InVA
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:01 PM
Two words: Karen O'Connor

InVA
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:03 PM
Let me reiterate that the way other disciplines describe THEIR princesses is not how I define it.
People respect our princesses and giggle at the others...

TBCollector
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:13 PM
LOTS of eventing princesses in Southern California!
I gotta admit, I love a lot of the latest "bling" but with my $1 OTTBs I don't think there's any danger of my become an EP!

monstrpony
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:17 PM
Well, duh. That would be Zara Phillips, no? (almost? sort of? I don't know how those things go from generation to generation).

Otherwise, I don't think it's possible, in the tradition of DQs and HPs. I mean, eventers actually have to do some of the work themselves...

tx3dayeventer
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:19 PM
Well, duh. That would be Zara Phillips, no? (almost? sort of? I don't know how those things go from generation to generation).


Actually I think Zara really is in line for the throne. She is such a great rider and I totally idolize her.

North Dakota
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:22 PM
when I try to stay spotless, it never happens


you and me both!!! my coach actually works at keeping me clean, i got through my first show and my breeches were still fairly clean, all thanks to her!

snoopy
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:24 PM
Actually I think Zara really is in line for the throne. She is such a great rider and I totally idolize her.


11th and she is humble and nice...wonder which parent she gets that from?

Jazzy Lady
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:26 PM
DC!!!!;)

hahahaha... SOOOO true!

LisaB
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:37 PM
Ooo, yes, Zara!
She's been pampered with great horses and great instruction all her life. While eventing itself is difficult and you don't reach her level of wins without some good riding, she does quite a bit more pr than getting down and dirty with the horses.
And I think the prerequisite is that we all are a little jealous of the EP's lifestyle and how much they get away with.
I just hope we don't get crotch shots when they get off their horses! Eeewwww!
I don't think 'Princess' is the right word though. Diva? Starlet? Broad? Upper-Cruster?

LisaB
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:39 PM
DC is not spoiled or anything though.
BUT, staying so darned clean and shiny all day ... Heck she doesn't spill a drop of her scotch on her clothes.

BarbB
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:49 PM
I might argue differently. I think the difference between EPs and DQs of HPs is that they DO make it past the first water jump, precisely because they have an imported Irish *** horse packing them around Advanced. They also have all the must-haves, including the 14 ft LQ (tastefully appointed), 2 other imported *** horses incase the packer gets a boo-boo (did I mention that all 3 MUST be in FULL training?). And, yes, they are spotless.

My post was suppose to be a joke. I thought the thread was a joke.
Apparently not.

Jazzy Lady
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:53 PM
You don't have to be spoiled to be a princess... perhaps ED is a better term? Eventing Diva?

snoopy
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:54 PM
DC is not spoiled or anything though.
BUT, staying so darned clean and shiny all day ... Heck she doesn't spill a drop of her scotch on her clothes.


Ha! LOVE it!!:D

And no helmet head for her!!!

Picasso
Nov. 26, 2007, 01:59 PM
I read some of the descriptions here and am thinking uh oh!

LQ Trailer - Check
Right tack - pretty much
Proper (and matching) accoutrement - Check
Imported ex **** horsie to cart me around the BN course? Not so much

So with that last one it appears I fall short of a true Eventing Princess and merely qualify as a wannabe. Always the bridesmaid.

cindylouwho
Nov. 26, 2007, 02:07 PM
My horse is an EP. Does that count? She has 3 white socks and would rather not get any mud on them. She is fine with a complete wash in the water jump, but will travel around anything that looks like it could be mud. It is almost impossible to make time on a muddy course. And dressage is impossible with mud puddles in the arena.

She eats Strategy, but leaves the dust as it is more than likely some type of supplement. She will only eat the tops of the alfalfa hay and leaves the stems.

I have been put on this earth to serve her and my job it to scratch her belly as needed. She has been known to back over me to get this task completed to her satisfaction.

Last summer she came to me in the field holding up her hind leg. She continued to almost back over me 3 legged lame (so I thought). I checked her from head to hoof. I could find nothing wrong with her hoof, I pulled and pushed on the leg, I checked for ankle itch (which is also a EP trait). After about 2 hours, I found a deer tick on her udder. She was 3 legged lame because of a pin head sized tick in her udder. EP!

NMK
Nov. 26, 2007, 02:41 PM
CLW--What I love about eventers...their horses come first. Hence the EP is most likely a horse. I vote for yours.

Nancy

BigMick
Nov. 26, 2007, 02:43 PM
I'm so dense...who the heck is DC?

LisaB
Nov. 26, 2007, 03:54 PM
Canterlope on this board.
She's a gorgeous blonde with gleaming horses and an incredible hubby. But is one of the most approachable, nicest, coolest people.
And I miss seeing her this year! We were on different schedules.
Winston misses Mr. Canterlope!

hey101
Nov. 26, 2007, 04:26 PM
haha, I totally thought at first it was Darren Chiacchia you guys were talking about! :lol: Then I got confused when you continued to refer to "DC" as "she".

Still funny to think of Darren as an EP though.

BigMick
Nov. 26, 2007, 04:41 PM
haha, I totally thought at first it was Darren Chiacchia you guys were talking about! :lol: Then I got confused when you continued to refer to "DC" as "she".

Still funny to think of Darren as an EP though.

OMG, that's what I was guessing too. I went to the USEA Leaderboard trying to figure this out and that was the only DC I found.

LisaB
Nov. 26, 2007, 04:49 PM
Oh crap, I didn't even think of the biggest princess ever! Of course Darren! Duh!

deltawave
Nov. 26, 2007, 05:35 PM
I totally thought at first it was Darren Chiacchia

BWAHAHAHAHA! That's hilarious. :D

monstrpony
Nov. 26, 2007, 05:42 PM
You mean DC DOESN'T mean Darren Chiacchia? :confused:

If it doesn't, it should.

Jazzy Lady
Nov. 26, 2007, 05:47 PM
yes, it's DC is Darren, but he's more of a diva than a princess

kml84
Nov. 26, 2007, 06:09 PM
I was thinking it was Darren also:D


Here is a quote from Canterlope....."I am the Eventing Queen....." so perhaps she is OVER-qualified?!?!?! :-)

flyingtails
Nov. 26, 2007, 06:20 PM
well, I guess I will never make it, I am the original messy marvin. Even when I try to stay spotless, it never happens :(

Oh yeah! Me Too! I have a second hand just about everything. Thats the only way I could afford a decent trainer. As the Mighty Dr. D always says, you show up in a crap trailer and second hand tack and put in a great performance and nobody cares.

I too see the people with the shiny new everything, and sadly a lot of them still can't eclipse their crappy riding with all the "bling." Given the choice, I'd put my money into the training. And I always manage to get dirty no matter how hard I work to stay clean :lol::lol:

snoopy
Nov. 26, 2007, 06:34 PM
haha, I totally thought at first it was Darren Chiacchia you guys were talking about! :lol: Then I got confused when you continued to refer to "DC" as "she".

Still funny to think of Darren as an EP though.



;):cool:

gully's pilot
Nov. 26, 2007, 06:52 PM
Karen??!!! Have you ever MET the woman??

ss3777
Nov. 26, 2007, 08:32 PM
Eventing Diva is perfect. I particularly love the acronym ED. Mostly because in my previous career I marketed Levitra, a drug that is supposed to helps ED ;) :0

kacey'srider
Nov. 26, 2007, 09:19 PM
I know I am going to take smak for this, but when I think of an eventing princess, I always think of...

A less than qualified rider on her gorgeous $$$$ horse that daddy bought her b/c she HAD to have it, after all, he was going advanced, so therefor, she can go advanced now too...:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:

You know, the horses you see pack their riders butts over a prelim course and you are terrified that if the horse so much as takes one tiny misstep, the rider is going to go catapulting over their horses head....

And she is made up every time you see her at the barn... and she pulls up to the barn in her new BMW....

And all her cross country equipment is pink or purple with bling...

My trainer refers to this rider as "Suzy Q with Fluffy the Pony."

EP- nah... not one and don't want to be one - Worked my butt off for everything that I have, and the glory in the success is so much greater!

I am more like a SLAVE to eventing! LOL! :winkgrin:

texang73
Nov. 26, 2007, 09:47 PM
well, I guess I will never make it, I am the original messy marvin. Even when I try to stay spotless, it never happens :(

Me too! My horse always seems to blow his nose, or rub his eye, or lick on me at THE most inappropriate time, usually right before I am supposed to put on my coat and enter the dressage court! I always look like I have been rolling in the dirt myself when I come home from the barn!


A less than qualified rider on her gorgeous $$$$ horse that daddy bought her b/c she HAD to have it, after all, he was going advanced, so therefor, she can go advanced now too...:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:

You know, the horses you see pack their riders butts over a prelim course and you are terrified that if the horse so much as takes one tiny misstep, the rider is going to go catapulting over their horses head....

And she is made up every time you see her at the barn... and she pulls up to the barn in her new BMW....

And I pretty much agree with that too as what makes an EP!

west5
Nov. 26, 2007, 09:48 PM
haha, I totally thought at first it was Darren Chiacchia you guys were talking about! :lol: Then I got confused when you continued to refer to "DC" as "she".

Still funny to think of Darren as an EP though.

I'm still confused. I assumed it was Darren too.

Is is some one else?

enjoytheride
Nov. 26, 2007, 09:57 PM
I thought of Jim Wofford's article in PH about wanting eventers to do more then eventing. He says that if you think that you're so good because you're an eventer you sould have no problems getting a green 4yo and turning in 8 soft slow 3 foot fences with clean changes and bascule on a loose rein. Don't you wish you could get El Snorto to go like that? I think of EP as complaining about every other discpline not being real because they don't hurtle over solid fences, when you can actually learn from every type of riding even hunters!

KBG Eventer
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:00 PM
I'm still confused. I assumed it was Darren too.

Is is some one else?

I don't know her, but they were orginally talking about canterlope.

I didn't even think of Darren, but he certainly fits the bill IMO. :lol:

And yes...not so sure about Karen being a EP.

Of course...my vision of an EP was someone with...

Multiple push button packers
Gets everything she wants and on top of that is very unappreciative
Someone else tacking up her horse while she is painting her nails
Thinks she knows more than her trainer, ignores trainer before hard cross country course, and leaves trainer because she thinks it is all their fault that she did fell off/had refusals/etc.

Luckily, I have only known a couple of people with a few of the above mentioned traitis...not all of them. Maybe I am oblivious, but I believe that although there are some people like that winning...it is going to catch up with them eventually. They will probably quit and go to a sport that they can get away with that sort of behavior (maybe beauty pageants or something?) and give their wonderful horses (who now don't have such a fabulous record or pricetag since no one has been RIDING them at events) to someone more deserving who quickly polishes them up and starts winning! :D

texang73
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:17 PM
Karen??!!! Have you ever MET the woman??

Exactly... Here's a pic of her I took at Jersey Fresh 06 (after she was done riding for the day, but hanging at the Dressage ring... Max (her groom) bought a copy of this picture.
http://www.horsephotoguy.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=7

tx3dayeventer
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:33 PM
I know I am going to take smak for this, but when I think of an eventing princess, I always think of...

A less than qualified rider on her gorgeous $$$$ horse that daddy bought her b/c she HAD to have it, after all, he was going advanced, so therefor, she can go advanced now too...:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:

You know, the horses you see pack their riders butts over a prelim course and you are terrified that if the horse so much as takes one tiny misstep, the rider is going to go catapulting over their horses head....

And she is made up every time you see her at the barn... and she pulls up to the barn in her new BMW....

And all her cross country equipment is pink or purple with bling...

My trainer refers to this rider as "Suzy Q with Fluffy the Pony."

EP- nah... not one and don't want to be one - Worked my butt off for everything that I have, and the glory in the success is so much greater!

I am more like a SLAVE to eventing! LOL! :winkgrin:


You must be talking about 99% of a BNT clientèle in DFW (area 5) since most of the clients go to TCU or SMU and especially the packer/BMW part :lol: :lol:


Ok I read DC to mean fantastic rider on a horse named Radio Flyer or more famously Molokai. But I would have to admit Darren is a far bigger princess than most self-named "princess" in eventing. :lol: I have some great Darren stories from times in Ocala :yes:

Kcisawesome
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:42 PM
^bwahahah, love the picture. Karen O'connor is my idol...so it's particularly funny.


My image of a EP or ED is the person who is so obsesed with eventing that they refuse to try anything else. This is the person who goes on and on about how great eventing is and how if you do not event you are not a "real" rider. This person commonly refers to Hunter Jumpers, Dressage people, Western people and more as not being good riders and not being good horsemen. The EP Isn't nesisarily(ack, I murdered that word) rich, spoiled or good, but they are very snobby about how amazing eventing is and how terible everything else is. This are often(not always) the same person who can not stop their horse for anything cross country and their turnout is a mess.

IMO the mark of a non-EP is someone who is willing to try everything. They hold the good of their horse above the sport. This person isn't afraid to go take some H/J lessons when their horse gets flat and running over fences, they arn't afraid to take their event horse foxhunting, or trail riding, or in a showmanship class, because they value a well-rounded, fit, healthy and happy animal. The non-Ep are the Jewels of the eventing world. They are the people who are constantly volenteering, who are willing to help everyone else out and who are always happy with a day that ends with a sound and healthy horse.

I know some people who fit my EP description and some people who fit the non-ep. I also see a little of each in alot of people.

jumpup
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:45 PM
Oh Oh, glad I read about this. I think I am an EP !! Yikes. I do have imported horses (2 from Ireland), good saddles (1 for each of them - dressage and jumping). I ride w/ most knowledgeable trainer in the area and clinic w/ Wofford & Lucinda whenever I can. Loved Aiken, so bought property there for the winter and I ride NOVICE! (Maybe someday Training, but I know my limits and safety/good riding are paramount).

But in my defense and any other adult riders who didn't get to ride (anything) as a kid, I worked my butt off gaining skills, financing a college education, starting a business, putting kids through college and making sure all of this was taken care of before I indulged. And now that I can - I do - and do so with pride and pleasure. You will never see me out scaring the world and giving the sport a bad reputation by riding Prelim, but you will see me over and over again jumping for joy with that Novice ribbon - even if its 8th place.

I groom my own horses, get just as dirty as everyone else and when I bought my horses they were 4 and 5 year olds so believe me, I have been bucked off, run away with just as much as anybody with an OTB. And don't be fooled into thinking all imports (especially Irish horses) are push button. They have to be made just like anything else.

So being an EP is perfectly fine. Hopefully the majority of us who are there, worked very hard for it and are enjoying the fruits of their success by participating in this wonderful sport and relishing those few moments when their equine partner is perfectly sound, their tack is gleaming, its not raining and they are having the ride of their life. It is OK to be an Eventer and not have to struggle all the time:-)

jumpup
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:49 PM
[Hear Hear. Thank you. There is definately that element of "event riders are the only real riders". The post re: Jimmy Wofford and hunter riders is right on. Cross training is really important and sometimes I feel very bad for the horse when I watch the Event Rider sit on its back driving it to every fence.



My image of a EP or ED is the person who is so obsesed with eventing that they refuse to try anything else. This is the person who goes on and on about how great eventing is and how if you do not event you are not a "real" rider. This person commonly refers to Hunter Jumpers, Dressage people, Western people and more as not being good riders and not being good horsemen. The EP Isn't nesisarily(ack, I murdered that word) rich, spoiled or good, but they are very snobby about how amazing eventing is and how terible everything else is. This are often(not always) the same person who can not stop their horse for anything cross country and their turnout is a mess.

IMO the mark of a non-EP is someone who is willing to try everything. They hold the good of their horse above the sport. This person isn't afraid to go take some H/J lessons when their horse gets flat and running over fences, they arn't afraid to take their event horse foxhunting, or trail riding, or in a showmanship class, because they value a well-rounded, fit, healthy and happy animal. The non-Ep are the Jewels of the eventing world. They are the people who are constantly volenteering, who are willing to help everyone else out and who are always happy with a day that ends with a sound and healthy horse.

I know some people who fit my EP description and some people who fit the non-ep. I also see a little of each in alot of people.[/QUOTE]

GreystoneKC
Nov. 26, 2007, 11:31 PM
So we've all heard of Hunter Princesses and Dressage Queens, but is there such a thing as an Eventing Princess? If so, what defines them? How would you spot one? etc.

Probably me. Except, well, I event on a medium pony... lol
But I think if you are already a hunter princess, you must automatically become an eventing diva when you switch!

snoopy
Nov. 26, 2007, 11:51 PM
Oh Oh, glad I read about this. I think I am an EP !! Yikes. I do have imported horses (2 from Ireland), good saddles (1 for each of them - dressage and jumping). I ride w/ most knowledgeable trainer in the area and clinic w/ Wofford & Lucinda whenever I can. Loved Aiken, so bought property there for the winter and I ride NOVICE! (Maybe someday Training, but I know my limits and safety/good riding are paramount).


One from Ireland and one from germany...right back at you.

Jazzy Lady
Nov. 27, 2007, 12:00 AM
mine is from the netherlands... but I didn't bring him here.

I'm a diva... but I get dirty too... no comments from snoop...

TexasTB
Nov. 27, 2007, 12:35 AM
11th and she is humble and nice...wonder which parent she gets that from?

hmmm i bet i can guess which one its not :cool:

ok, ok, i realize that was a bit snarky
couldn't resist though..

snoopy
Nov. 27, 2007, 12:38 AM
mine is from the netherlands... but I didn't bring him here.

I'm a diva... but I get dirty too... no comments from snoop...




No comment then!

asterix
Nov. 27, 2007, 11:04 AM
We should re-do this as a poll now that we have some strong candidates :D

1. The horse: seems to always be a chestnut mare. I know one who went lame because of scratches (the scrunge, not injuries). Cannot warmup in dressage within 50 feet of any other horse. If tack is not put on perfectly, with the right complement of fleece, will sulk and snark. But when this mare gets in the game, watch out! Absolutely capable of mowing down all those dopey geldings in all three phases.

2. DC. We used to say "I am the King" but EP suits him so much better.

3. The duct-tape and beer devotee. All other disciplines are wimpy.

4. The Dubarry-clad lower level rider with the latest and greatest gear and the firm belief that "not falling off" qualifies her to move up. Often trainer hops in hopes of finding one who will agree with this sentiment, or at least not care.

flyingchange
Nov. 27, 2007, 11:37 AM
There are definitely different species of the EP. Here are some signs:

The teenager who goes to events with both parents, riding in the backseat of the King Cab, which is hauling the full living quarters, 4 horse, head to head trailer, with both side and rear ramps and living quarters. Competes at least 2 horses or more at each HT (not in the interest of improving the horse's record for it's sales resume). Has no idea what the entry fee to the HTs are, much less stabling, cost of diesel, cost of the trailer, cost of the hotel (they hotel even though they have the LQs). Mommy and Daddy take care of all of that. Mommy and Daddy make sure the trailer is always road-worthy. They take care of any servicing appointments, they take it for it's state inspection every year.

When it's time to go to a lesson, Buffy goes to the barn and gets her horsie ready (Mom might help with that), while Mom and/or Dad hook up the trailer, make sure it is raked out, add bedding if necessary, and deal with adding hay to thethe %^&ing hay net if necessary. Mommy and Daddy make sure the water tank is full and that there are buckets, etc, in the tack room. Then Buffy walks the ever-obedient horsie up to the trailer and loads him and then gets into the back seat of the King Cab and straps on her IPod and takes a nap while Mommy and Daddy navigate her safely to her lesson. After the lesson, Mommy hands the check to the trainer and Buffy takes care of her horse (SO much WORK!!!).

Then they go home and do the above in reverse.

If horsie starts stopping or his dressage is not very good, Mom gets on the Internet and starts horse shopping for something more "suitable" for dear daughter. Mom arranges to see horses, and Mom writes check for new horses.

If daughter decides she wants to be a working student somewhere, Mom sets up interviews and if this is a paid working student position (meaning, the trainer gets paid for the working student to work), then Mommy and Daddy take care of that too.

Oh, and Buffy does work SO hard at her riding though! She is aiming for the Olympics.

asterix
Nov. 27, 2007, 11:41 AM
wait, fc, you forgot the part where M&D set up the TENT with SNACKS at the horse trial for Buffy.

I actually know someone for whom this is the perfect description. Best part is that Buffy is on the north side of 21 at this point. Time to unplug the ipod and start cleaning the trailer!

InVA
Nov. 27, 2007, 11:43 AM
Karen??!!! Have you ever MET the woman??

uh,,, yeah a few times.

Because eventing is becoming the show hunters (this thread is evidence of that) many might not realize that in certain circles Karen is KNOWN as "the princess"... I guess you are talking about the influx of people with lots of money who buy made horses and pay bnt's lots of money to get them from novice to advanced in a year and a half...ugh. sadly there are lots of those...

the "real" eventers are of another ilk... iMO>..

;-)

snoopy
Nov. 27, 2007, 12:33 PM
Ok I read DC to mean fantastic rider on a horse named Radio Flyer or more famously Molokai. But I would have to admit Darren is a far bigger princess than most self-named "princess" in eventing. :lol: I have some great Darren stories from times in Ocala :yes:


For the record folks...my "DC" comment was Darren...but then it was mistaken for "Miss Molokai"...which made me laugh....dear oh dear...there are SO many princesses...all this confussion.:no::cry:

tx3dayeventer
Nov. 27, 2007, 02:24 PM
I admit I thought Darren until someone said "beautiful blonde with a handsome hubby" and I was like wait, there is another DC that is quite well known. And besides Darren has black/dark hair. I got thrown off track and I think the confusion started there. If there was an official title of Eventing Princess/Diva I am sure Darren would want it and have it put on the side of his trailer :winkgrin: :lol: Kinda like the time I saw him with "queer" in big bold rainbow letters across the front of his *very* tight t-shirt at a competitors party. :lol:

snoopy
Nov. 27, 2007, 02:33 PM
[QUOTE=tx3dayeventer;2830183] And besides Darren has black/dark hair. QUOTE




Only his hairdresser knows that for sure.....;)

as for me, I'm betting on Miss Clarol...dark ash brown:D:D:D:p

Whisper
Nov. 27, 2007, 02:47 PM
I guess I think of a queen/princess of whatever discipline as someone who's snotty and nasty to other people.

snoopy
Nov. 27, 2007, 02:50 PM
Oh no not me....I think you CAN be a princess/queen, be very nice, and have a great sense of humour about it.

tx3dayeventer
Nov. 27, 2007, 03:11 PM
[QUOTE=tx3dayeventer;2830183] And besides Darren has black/dark hair. QUOTE




Only his hairdresser knows that for sure.....;)

as for me, I'm betting on Miss Clarol...dark ash brown:D:D:D:p

HAHA that great :D :cool:

Eventing Princess
Nov. 27, 2007, 03:28 PM
I make a motion to change the name to "EVENTING DIVA!" So for all the Eventing Divas out there, announce yourselves!!!

snoopy
Nov. 27, 2007, 05:49 PM
Exactly... Here's a pic of her I took at Jersey Fresh 06 (after she was done riding for the day, but hanging at the Dressage ring... Max (her groom) bought a copy of this picture.
http://www.horsephotoguy.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=7


Dear oh dear.... she looks like my first boyfriend!!!:(:eek:

flyingtails
Nov. 27, 2007, 06:22 PM
Dear oh dear.... she looks like my first boyfriend!!!:(:eek:

Mine too! LMAO!

Jazzy Lady
Nov. 27, 2007, 06:37 PM
Honestly Snoop... what kind of Diva do you know that gets BOXED hair colour???

snoopy
Nov. 27, 2007, 06:40 PM
Honestly Snoop... what kind of Diva do you know that gets BOXED hair colour???


ME!!!;)

Jazzy Lady
Nov. 27, 2007, 06:41 PM
ME!!!;)

:eek: I hearby strip you of all Diva status!!! ;) :p

Carol Ames
Nov. 27, 2007, 08:01 PM
Yes! I have known of:lol: one!, but she nolonger events:no:

Dr. Doolittle
Nov. 27, 2007, 08:08 PM
We should re-do this as a poll now that we have some strong candidates :D

1. The horse: seems to always be a chestnut mare. I know one who went lame because of scratches (the scrunge, not injuries). Cannot warmup in dressage within 50 feet of any other horse. If tack is not put on perfectly, with the right complement of fleece, will sulk and snark. But when this mare gets in the game, watch out! Absolutely capable of mowing down all those dopey geldings in all three phases.

2. DC. We used to say "I am the King" but EP suits him so much better.

3. The duct-tape and beer devotee. All other disciplines are wimpy.

4. The Dubarry-clad lower level rider with the latest and greatest gear and the firm belief that "not falling off" qualifies her to move up. Often trainer hops in hopes of finding one who will agree with this sentiment, or at least not care.

Re: #1...:lol: :lol: :lol: :uhoh:

My horse (AKA "The Princess")....SO, SO (embarrassingly right-on) qualifies for this! (Except that she's never lame for *any* reason--tough little shoeless bugger that she is...:winkgrin:)

I'm thinking that bambam's HRH would also qualify for this catagory?? ;)

2) Nuff said :p

3) Well, I am a "devotee" of both of those things, but as for "all other discipines are wimpy"??...Hmmm...I'll go along with "ALL other disciplines are LESS labor-intensive!!" :D

4) Um, yeah...:rolleyes: (As a trainer pretty much *exclusively* instructing lower-level eventers, I thank my lucky stars that I've never had such a person to teach; all my students are wonderful :yes:)

As for the rest of the posts on this thread, major wine spew; my keyboard needs a good cleaning, thanks much! :p

DitchFlyer
Dec. 4, 2007, 02:15 PM
Very interesting thread…

One of my horses is a major princess! She matches exactly what asterix describes! She is the definition of EP! Watch out if any of those socks get dirty!

Also…I happened to have the M&D who did that stuff for me growing up; until I moved out actually. Dad wouldn’t let me drive the trailer, just in case; he wanted to take the blame if anything happened. Mom constantly wanted me to stay clean, God forbid I get my breeches dirty. They brought snacks and drinks for anyone within walking distance of the trailer, and had enough chairs to sit an army. We travelled a lot, so we had the living quarters.

I bathed and groomed my own horse. I fed them, and mucked their stalls; unless in show clothes, in which case I wasn’t allowed too. They wouldn’t let me do anything at the show; they wanted my head in the “game”.

Let me tell you though, no one ever picked at my luck on have such parents when it was 120 degrees outside and they were all welcomed to rest in the living quarters of the trailer between phases. :D

It would seem that there is a bad taste in some people’s mouth about parents like mine. Having “made” horses growing up helped facilitate my riding ability early on, making it possible for me to now raise wonderful Event horses and young Event riders. It isn’t my fault my parents could afford to do that for me. I certainly appreciate it though. :winkgrin:

It just sounds like there may be a little jealousy going on…but the grass is always greener on the other side. Things are not always what they appear to be.

Aspire2JumpHigher
Dec. 4, 2007, 02:30 PM
It would seem that there is a bad taste in some people’s mouth about parents like mine. Having “made” horses growing up helped facilitate my riding ability early on, making it possible for me to now raise wonderful Event horses and young Event riders. It isn’t my fault my parents could afford to do that for me. I certainly appreciate it though. :winkgrin:


I have to agree with DitchFlyer; the kids are not to blame. It’s all the parents doing…and of course they always think they are doing the best for their kids. So in the end can you really blame them? :no:

I think people just complain about them because they’re jealous. They wish they had the fancy stuff…even if they are unwilling to admit it. :rolleyes:

BTW – I’ve seen DitchFlyer ride, and she’s amazing…spoiled childhood and all.


Let me reiterate that the way other disciplines describe THEIR princesses is not how I define it.
People respect our princesses and giggle at the others...

I would agree that my idea of an EP is not really a bad thing. I can think of several in the area I would consider an EP...and I rightfully look up to them and their abilities. :winkgrin:


As for the EP…Dr. D’s mare takes the cake. :D Good thing my OCD suits Her Majesty! I wouldn’t trade my position as Team Leader for anything...which I believe suits Dr. D just fine. :p

gully's pilot
Dec. 4, 2007, 08:39 PM
While I believe that Karen may be known as a Princess in some circles (and I even believe she might deserve it a little--Karen, you know I speak with love), I dont' think anyone in their right mind can call her an Eventing Princess. 'Nother animal entirely.

The quintessential EP brings a full time paid groom when eventing one horse Beginner Novice.

FrittSkritt
Dec. 5, 2007, 02:49 PM
I think the difference between EPs and DQs of HPs is that they DO make it past the first water jump, precisely because they have an imported Irish *** horse packing them around Advanced. They also have all the must-haves, including the 14 ft LQ (tastefully appointed), 2 other imported *** horses incase the packer gets a boo-boo (did I mention that all 3 MUST be in FULL training?).

*cough*coughKamenskysisterscough*cough*

InVA
Dec. 5, 2007, 02:51 PM
ME!!!;)

Me too!

InVA
Dec. 5, 2007, 02:54 PM
While I believe that Karen may be known as a Princess in some circles (and I even believe she might deserve it a little--Karen, you know I speak with love), I dont' think anyone in their right mind can call her an Eventing Princess. 'Nother animal entirely.

The quintessential EP brings a full time paid groom when eventing one horse Beginner Novice.

SPOT ON!

texang73
Dec. 5, 2007, 03:12 PM
Dear oh dear.... she looks like my first boyfriend!!!:(:eek:

HA!!! :lol:

asterix
Dec. 5, 2007, 03:14 PM
heh, dr d, your mare was of course one of my models for the EP horse (the other one is bambam's mare, who did once go dramatically lame due to scratches. she's a princess-and-the-pea type).

I do think we have a little bit of reverse snobbery in eventing -- I occasionally feel guilty riding my very nice horse, who, while not a made *** (or any star) horse bought to pack my a** around, is also not a $500 OTTB. I doubt I've got the riding chops to bring a horse like that along, and having waited until I was well into my 30s before buying a horse, I bought the nicest one I could afford. Luckily he didn't do changes, and had been thoroughly rejected by the H/Js. Kinda funny, really; even I was able to get his changes reinstalled in short order.

So we should probably embrace all our princesses (ok, except for the ones who careen around 2 levels above where they should be, making us all wince. I'm not embracing them for any money) and make duct tape sticky art in their honor.
:)

Dr. Doolittle
Dec. 5, 2007, 04:56 PM
TeeHee! :D

(I'm actually kinda surprised that bambam hasn't weighed in on this thread re: this very sub-topic...:p)

I think I can relate to the "reverse snobbery" thing, in that my mare (who is a dead ringer for My Little Pony or My Pretty Pony or whichever one has the dishy face and the long, batting eyelashes and the silky mane--the only difference is that my mare isn't *pink*, she's *orange" :lol:) anyway, she doesn't fit the stereotype of a "proper" event horse, which is to say: "A 16 bay OTTB gelding with no little or white, from Central Casting" :lol:

My last horse (though not OTT) was more of the "typical event horse" (in that my DH was often unable to pick me out in the warmup area ;)), but when he died, I vowed to find a horse very dissimilar to him, so that I would not be tempted to compare...

As for *your* horse, I think you did a bang-up job of finding a horse who is *tremendously* well suited to his "new career" with you--and who so *clearly* loves what he now does. ;)

The DQs and the HPs are missing out on a great horse (and the changes must simply have been harder for them to get out of a less balanced, OTFH canter, which is why they were easier for you ;)), but their loss is your gain. Even though he's not the "sterotypical event horse", he is still "Tha Man" :)

(I guess my nod to NON EP-dom is my crummy old rusty trailer towed with a 15 year old Suburban, plus my assortment of helpers (when I can get 'em ;)), ranging from the highly-enthusiast ""best example of on-the-job training" Girl Friday, (Aspire2JumpHigher--a true blessing in every way!), to my surly passive-aggressive DH (and my daughter, often equally surly and PA--when her head is not in a book :lol:), who growls "it's clean enough" when I ask him whether he can help me with a grooming chore, or mutters "you can drink out of a muddy hoofprint" when I ask him to get me some water...:lol:

Anyway, paid they are NOT (except for favors, free lessons, trade-off stuff), but I'm delighted to have help of any kind, and always thank them profusely. (Unlike a true-blue EP...Plus, I kiss my horse and praise her all the time--Tres uncool! :D)

asterix
Dec. 5, 2007, 08:40 PM
oh, dr d, my poor maligned horse -- his brain was fried by dressage training -- "proper" changes. We pretended they didn't exist for a while and then gently suggested he knew how to do them. Now, of course, I am constantly telling him they don't exist while doing my counter canters....


I am cracking up at your DH's mutterings. I'll swap grooms with you -- I always think "it's clean enough," much to the dismay of mythical84, who can't believe how bad I am at all this stuff and schedules extra time to get the Man clean ...

Dr. Doolittle
Dec. 5, 2007, 11:18 PM
:lol: :lol:

Your poor horse--good thing you have successfully figured out how to "trick" him; I suspect that he's "happy to be tricked" as long as he doesn't have to do that upper level dressage in the "bigger sandbox"...X-country is *WAY* more fun! I'm sure he does the autos while jumping, but if he will hold the counter-canter when "in the dressage ring", you're fortunate ;) (THe Princess *thinks* that SHE "knows best when to do the the changes, thank you", WHEREVER we happen to be, and despite my aids, will just pop the swap whenever we change direction :rolleyes: This will be "interesting" when and if I ever get her to Prelim--planned for next year...:sigh:)

As for my poor, put-upon hubby :lol:

Luckily for me, as of this year I found my "Girl Friday", who is as picky about this silly turn out stuff as I am (much like mythical, I'm guessing :winkgrin:)

Previous to that, I was "on my own", and used to be totally exhausted from the days of pre-show prep (not to mention my complusively perfectionistic "same day prep" :rolleyes:) by the time I competed...I still am, for the most part, but it's nice to *finally* have some real help at HTs, as opposed to the DH's help, which consisted (and still consists) of the advice to: "stop monkey-f*cking around with that $hit, and focus on your ride, fer Pete's sake!" :lol:

(To his credit, he does help me clean my tack when my arthritis flares up to the point where my fingers won't close--more and more often these days :sigh::...of course *his* tack cleaning is never "up to my exacting Pony Club Standards" :D Plus, he's neverendingly supportive, in spite of his grumpiness...so I guess I'll keep him! :p)