stallions with Amatuer friendly brains...

[Glorybee]

What stallions are standing, presently, with amatuer friendly brains... Escapade has that beautiful big sleepy eye; does his personality follow suit?

[x3]

Contucci, who satnds at Hilltop Farm in Colora, MD, has a fabulous brain and his offspring are lovely.

[Glorybee]

oohhh, I should probably add "hunters" to that question AA A/O friendly...

[Breeder]

The BWP stallion Coronado is very kind and also being shown by an Amatuer. Jumper scope - Hunter form.

I do not want to start a debate but... we have a Contucci that is NOT umm... Amatuer friendly - out of a Werther Dam line - being a H/J person I don't know much about either to know where the mind came from.

[seramisu]

I have heard nothing but good things about Palladio
http://www.crestlinefarm.com/palladiohome.htm
He has a super kind eye and his owner says his foals are incredibly easy to work with - hopefully she will jump into the conversation and give you more details.

[STF]

Most all of Puertos offspring that are shown over fences and mostly trained by AA's and Youths. Feel free to contact them on any questions about his babies! :)
http://www.spindletopfarm.net/puerto.htm

[Jellybean83]

Westporte www.countrylanewarmbloods.com He shows in the a/a's and does very well w/his owner.

[ponyjumper4]

Sea Accounts. He's an eventer though, but I know his current rider and she says he's great and has an easy temperment. She's hauled him in a two horse with a mare and never heard a peep out of him.

http://www.debracysporthorses.com/app?service=page/Sea%20Accounts

[RheinlandPfalzSaar]

Le Mode http://www.solomonfarm.com

Just The Best http://www.tishquirk.com/

Westporte http://countrylanewarmbloods.com/index.htm

Ironman http://www.ironmanonline.com/

I own a Le Mode baby and I could go on all day about how great she is in mind, conformation, movement and how atheletic she is.

A friend of mine owns a Just The Best baby and she has a to die for temperment and blew away the competition in all of her HB classes this year!

I have heard wonderful, wonderful things about the minds that Westporte & Ironman throw too. You may also want to look at Redwine & Joe Cocker.

My next horse will definitely be another Le Mode though - I am in love with his offspring and Ann is great to work with!

[Bogey2]

Rousseau

[desilu]

I can vouch for Escapade's temperament since that was the #1 requirement when I was stallion shopping. I paid Alicia several visits and fell in love. I now have the weanling to prove it and he is very sensible and friendly. I am hoping he is an amateur's dream!;)

[nsm]

That would be Ironman, kids can handle him, an 8 year old has ridden him, he is incredibly well mannered and kind. He lives in a commercial barn, infact he lives by mares, you can ride next to one, he ships with them, he baby sits the young horses, he plays with geldings over the fence, gives pony rides to little kids, he has an amazing disposition.

Nancy

[Glorybee]

would it be wrong to choose a stallion based on name alone? LOL.... I love red wine (the beverage); the horse isn't so bad either :winkgrin:

[two sticks]

I love my Sir Caletto baby, and he has been easy as can be so far! He has a total puppy dog personality and temperament. Trainer claims he is the easiest one in the barn.

[talloaks]

Definitely A Fine Romance!!:winkgrin:

[spacely]

I'll second or third Escapade, Just the Best & Westporte. I have a weanling Escapade colt living with me now who's easy, easy, easy & super fancy. I've met several JTB babies who were all very amateur friendly & fancy. I haven't met a Westporte yet but my mare is carrying one & the report is that they are very ammy friendly. The fact that his amateur owner does most the riding herself & the trainer just meets them at shows is a huge testament to his temperament.

[risingstarfarm]

I loved the Ironman baby that we had here. He was such an easy foal - amazing considering he was such a big boy. I can't wait to see what he does in the ring when he grows up :-)

[peskee]

Corlando, Triad Farm, fantastic minds and beautiful.

[flshgordon]

Landkonig!!!

My mare has been the most ammy friendly soul since birth, and this is a common trait among his offspring. I couldn't have been more blessed temperament wise, I would breed to him again in a heartbeat for JUST that reason, not to mention all the other great things he passes on :winkgrin: :yes:

[Seal Harbor]

Just The Best
A Fine Romance
Palladio

The last one I get to see every day. He has lovely manners and is very non plussed by anything going on around him. According to Crestline , his owner, he has been that way since she got him as a three year old. He is a very lovely boy.

Tish's Just The Best is just that. She had to evacuate with 30 horses during the recent wild fires in CA - she had the boys next to each other in pipe corrals - they behaved impeccably in a very stressful situation.

Fred's A Fine Romance is another lovely boy, with great manners and a lovely temperament which he passes on.

[szipi]

I have had tremendous success with Lemgo - bred 7 offspring by him and ALL turned out to have super temperaments, great movers (for dressage and hunters as well) and had super comfortable, easy jumps. I have had 3 of his sons over the years, Lansing, Lasting Impression and currently Lotus T. It is not just my opinion, but countless breeders/riders can testify to their user-friendliness. I believe in the power of Landgraf, even though he's considered to be old-fashioned by modern breeders. www.prairiepinesfarm.com

[Maude]

I know you are looking at hunter/jumper prospects, but you should also check out Sir Sinclair that stands at Iron Spring Farm. He is a dutch warmblood who looks very much like a TB. He stamps his offspring with the same looks. All of his offspring that I have met (6-7) including my own filly have fabulous brains and personality. They're all athletic, can MOVE and look as though they can do anything including jump. You could contact Iron Spring and talk to Meghan. She can help you figure out if he is what you're looking for.

[europa]

Escudo II
Carbardino
Pablo
Don Alfredo

[talloaks]

Parabol
Contucci

[Hocus Focus]

I will also vouch for the temperament of the Lemgo's. Lasting Impression I have held at shows where horses were flying about in all directions and he was like a puppy dog. Nearly asleep. Never batting an eye at anything. Ammy friendly would be an understatement. Just remember, as a rule is beauty is as beauty does, so longterm appeal tends to dominate over the wow factor if you have to live with them. Mind you it is best to have the best of both worlds, but nothing should be more important than temperament ever.

I have seen get of many stallions over time. Freestyle babies have a rep for being gentle souls as well. There are plenty of good ones really, but it is hard to speak of those you have not encountered personally.

[crestline]

Cannot say enough about the Palladio kids and their temperaments. Palladio is a super mellow easy guy and it is definitely something that passes onto his kids. As they are coming under saddle more and more (as more and more come of age) it is really obvious that the easy foals are even easier riding horses....and with super talent to go with their great brains. We've got owners showing their own 3 and 4 year olds and enjoying every minute of it. The freaky nice Caletto I jump seems to come through very consistantly along with easy flying changes and easy gaits. To get super fancy hunters at our house we've crossed flatter moving mares and get really standout athletic foals that can hack great and jump super fancy with easy brains....we're really enjoying having them to ride and can't wait to start next year's 3yos!

[Fairview Horse Center]

Nevada is siring many horses for the Hunters. They are being backed, and shown by their amateur & junior owners. We have sold several into nice Hunter homes after only 15 days under saddle. They have been getting nice ribbons their first time shown. Nevada himself is ridden and shown by a college girl that had never ridden a stallion before Nevada. He is always in the ribbons O/F and U/S.

[Foxtrot's]

What do you want this offspring for? Where are all you Irish fans???
Nothing beats an Irish horse for brain and people-mindedness.
(and I don't have one - yet)

[Kyzteke]

GloryBee -- check your PMs. I sent you one.

[risingstarfarm]

Cannot say enough about the Palladio kids and their temperaments. Palladio is a super mellow easy guy and it is definitely something that passes onto his kids. As they are coming under saddle more and more (as more and more come of age) it is really obvious that the easy foals are even easier riding horses....and with super talent to go with their great brains. We've got owners showing their own 3 and 4 year olds and enjoying every minute of it. The freaky nice Caletto I jump seems to come through very consistantly along with easy flying changes and easy gaits. To get super fancy hunters at our house we've crossed flatter moving mares and get really standout athletic foals that can hack great and jump super fancy with easy brains....we're really enjoying having them to ride and can't wait to start next year's 3yos!

Andrea - I NEED more mares!!!!!

I'll get a Palladio foal eventually! Just don't tell Cielo B and the other boys ;-)

[sarapony]

Ronda - I have a pretty mare you can take on free lease for a couple of years :winkgrin::lol: I am only 5% kidding:winkgrin: You can have that Palladio foal and breed her back to Cielo B and we will call it even:cool:

[risingstarfarm]

Hmmm SP - tempting...............cause she is so darn pretty!

We'll talk elsewhere ;-)

[sarapony]

You know where to find me ;)

[Majestic Gaits]

For sure Navarone. Most people don't realize he is a stallion at the shows he is so well behaved. The babies area easy like him too. I like my stallions and my mares to have amateur minds but good work ethic and ability for the upper levels. Our new Sandro Hit stallion Schroeder has the same, so I am quite excited about him too.

Kathy
www.majesticgaits.com

[not again]

Look for the ones with a successful record in amateur divisions.

[QuillcoteFarm]

Ironman, Ironman, Ironman!!!!

I have a 10 yr old gelding by Ironman, When I got him at 3 he had not been handled much by humans, you would have never known, never, ever, has anything been an issue with him!!! and oh did I say Ironman :D :D

[Underdog]

I second Corlando.

Take a look at the picture of my 2.5 yo filly by him being backed first time under saddle this past Sunday. Can you say *easy* *Careless* and hungry to learn and do more. Craves interaction and attention.
Just look at the expression on her face and especially her soft eye. Corlando is a big teddy bear.
We plan to do Young hunter under saddle next May at Devon. :-)

Hope this works......

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cf24b3127ccebf7973479c4b00000046108EbMWbly2aW

[genevieveg17]

The two Paparazzo foals I have had were both very quiet and easy.
I really like Redwine and after seeing him in person I can tell you he is really a laid back, relaxed stallion.
Wonderful tempermant and it helps that he is absolutely gorgeous! I am excited to see his first US foal crop in '08.
Good luck with your search.

[Underdog]

You have som GORGEOUS stock.

I really like that colt you named *Retrospect*. I hope you repeated that cross!

[arnika]

I've heard good things about the Lemgo offspring, same about Ironman and Paparazzo. A Fine Romance has had several winning hunter get and Tish Quirk's stallion's records speak for themselves.

Escapade seems to have a good temperament but hasn't had any babies old enough to jump yet. Redwine just got here and is breeding for the first year, no offspring to look at yet.

I've been impressed with my 2yo Cabalito filly out of a Gold luck mare. Extremely easygoing but won't walk over you. I watched her sire at HITS and bred to him based on his ability in the hunters and jumpers(up to level 7-8) yet he was sweet as the day is long. Watched him get tacked up by his ammy owner and hacked around the showgrounds with no prep of any kind, petted him myself. Alert, attentive, athletic but no spook or temper. Just kind. I know he had a couple of line winners and some showing and winning at baby classes but mine is too young to show yet. She shows talent so far, so we'll see.

Best of luck on your search.

[Hi Jump]

The list of stallions that produce amateur friendly offpsring is only limited by the number of people that respond to this question. Most good stallions are proven performers, and frankly they are generally subjected to highly restricted lives, with more confinement and less freedom , even to express themselves than other horses . It takes tremendous strength of mind for them to remain sane, respectful and well mannered when they rarely have choices. Stallions that have shown, have in some cases shipped hundreds of miles as a trooper on a rig full of other horses, performs like a trooper on someone elses schedule, sometimes breeds mornings or evenings to meet obligations to mares, hangs around endlessly waiting for classes, jump offs, braiding , whatever. They ship to shows where they have different neighbours, different bedding, different feed and water available, even different handlers and they take it all in stride. One show we were at had about 30 hunter jumper stallions and there was nary an example of bad behaviour out of the entire lot, infact I see countless examples every show where people around have NO CLUE who is a stallion, backing mares in front of you and proceeding to walk a few feet ahead through a crowded ingate while you patiently have a stallion in hand behind them and no where else to move to.
And horsemanship in the hands of professionals is not neccessarily profoundly more skilled than amateurs.

In general I find that how you raise the offspring has a more subjective bearing on the horse you will have and its amateur suitability. There may truly be a few stallions that do not throw amateur friendly offspring, or dams for that matter but I personally have yet to encounter a problematic youngster that I could attribute to the breeding, I truly have not. I have bred to jumper stallions and I have been delighted to find the youngsters are as docile and easygoing and nonproblematic regardless of sire.

Now I think the question would be "how do you raise your horses to be confident, trusting, willing and amateur friendly?".

My horses have been by my own stallions Cotopaxi and Raffaello, also Cicero, Crack, Capone, Cantour and so on...

Synergy Sport Horses
http://www.synergysporthorses.net

[Underdog]

While I agree the external enviromental factor is a large part of the equation in a developing personality.....there still genetics involved that influence the personality.
I have the bitch mare to prove it. ;-) ANd her offspring is NOTHING like her. The stallion I chose was EXTREMELY prepotent TG.

Plus....ask yourself, does your personality reflect more of your mother or father?
I know who I take after. LOL!

[Edgar]

does your personality reflect more of your mother or father?
I know who I take after. LOL!

I have a theory that seems to be 90% accurate and I tested it with hundreds of offspring. We can all see the exterior likeness of a parent but I think the coat color has a connection with the inner qualities. The offsprings character will be most like the parent with like color. I have had sensitive mares that produced much more like the stallion when the color matched the stallion and be much the same as the mare when they had her color. It obviously does not always work as with a third color or if the parent have the same color but that is a small group. It is a fun game but the theory seems to hold up very well.
Putting that together my theory, this may well be one of the reasons Landkoenig transmits his easy temperament virtually every time as he is homozygous. Even his Grand Prix winning offspring is easy to ride and get rave remarks from the riders.

All our stallions have been able to produce amateur friendly offspring, it is a requirement for a succesfull breeding program along with having enough excitement in quality and the ability to produce that concistently.

Because of the wide variety of mares and breeds offered to stallions in the US the stallions standing in the US have to be stronger, more consistent producers to be succesfull. It is hard for mare owners to judge a stallion by his own behavior in and performance because some do not produce their own qualities at all or not consistently.
As our ads would say years ago: "the proof is in the progeny"

[Glorybee]

Aahh... the ol' nature vs. nurture issue. Where as nurture obviously matters, there is also something to be said for genetics. And when considering to breed, its important, in my mind, to take into consideration the characteristics that you want and those that you do not. Most of us have had experince with those who were much more difficult to train and teach. Mine have been raised the same way, and yet do not always turn out the same. some just have that little something that makes them take a bit longer to get going. Some may argue its a breed thing.. I don't know. But I do not take breeding lightly. Which is why I married my husband:eek:

[Underdog]

I think I have to agree about your color theory.
I haven't produced tons of foals to compare, but what I have fits your color coat theory. How interesting.


Do you consider Pablo prepotent? If I put on my breeding cap again, he's definitely the man.

[EssentialEQST]

Canaan Ranch's, Donates, has a wonderful brain and rideability for AA's. His do quite well at the breed shows too. http://canaanranch.net/horse%20pages/Donates%20page.html

[Equino]

Aahh... the ol' nature vs. nurture issue. Where as nurture obviously matters, there is also something to be said for genetics. And when considering to breed, its important, in my mind, to take into consideration the characteristics that you want and those that you do not.

Makes sense to me!

I know I've read many times on this board that one pretty much should consider if they would be happy with a clone of their mare, same temperment, looks, movement/jump, etc. and if not, don't breed her. I look at my mare, and believe I would be thrilled if I end up with the exact replica of her. But when I go to breed her, an "amateur friendly stallion" is very high on my list of important qualities. I opened this thread very interested in seeing who posters feel are proven sires for such breeding. I recognize that some are young, still unproven stallions-Westporte, Redwine-so I'm eager to learn which stallions are producing quality hunters that go on to be great amatuer friendly mounts. I think Rio Grande was one, but unfortunately has passed away. Alla Czar seems to be pretty popular, but I don't know anything about him (or his offspring).

Very interesting topic!

[Edgar]

Underdog - Pablo is very pre potent especially for his type. He puts them out like a cookie cutter! Lots of increadible movers too.

[fish]

Shine is the quietest hunter stallion I have ever seen and I have heard his offspring are that way, too. I met him at a show in Va. having his braids removed while ground-tied, eyes at half mast, in the barn aisle. I led my 2 year old stud colt right by him and he never turned a hair.

If quiet is what you want, I'd definitely look into that one.

[nsm]

Edgar, that is fascinating and now as I think about it, I would concur. But--I have a question, what if the foal has neither parents color, ie- grey sire, bay dam, chestnut foal?

nancy

[Westglen Farm]

There was a mention of Irish horses and I will second that. If you want an amatuer friendly horse that will do the hunters or jumpers look at breeding to anything with Irish Blood. They are so easy to deal with, reliable and athletic.

[Silly Mommy]

Nancy-

What was Ironman's base color?:D:D:D

I don't think that you can guarantee an amateur friendly stallion to "pass it on". There is the mare part of the equation as well as how the foal is raised (I know this has been stated ad nauseum). That said, I do believe some stalllions are more prepotent than others in influencing temperament. I know of several breeders who won't look at a TB for their "hot" mare, a WB will "cool them down".

HOGWASH!!!

My former stallion Mandarin (TB) only ever had one foal that I would consider difficult in the temperament department - she was out of my parent's stakes producing broodmare, and I believe the filly didn't get the time spent with her from the beginning because she was the last foal and my parents didn't consider her racehorse material as she wasn't sired by a race stallion (incidentally, they sold most of this mare's produce at Saratoga Select Yearling Sales for large amounts - Irish Tower, Apalachee, Singh, Key to the Kingdom, Spectacular Bid, Johns Gold, Cormorant, and Buckpoint were some of the stallions they used - this was back in the late 70's/early 80's). Most of Mandarin's get were full TB and most went on to have pretty decent show records as amateur mounts -- most were out of "hot" mares. I think that people need to look at the individual, not the breed when looking at temperament. My point is - A Fine Romance gave me two of the easiest colts ever, and I have a filly by Minister General that is unbelievably sweet and laid back.

I also agree that the life of a show stallion is hard on everyone involved. You have NO idea how many mares have been parked right under Yak's nose at the ingate, or baby strollers that have been parked under his tail!!!! He is my last son of Mandarin and has been left intact because he is such a good boy. It has gotten to the point in his career however, that I have made the decision to geld him after the next breeding season. I am currently freezing semen, but I think he will be so much happier being able to be a horse, and cart a kid around in the Large Juniors. I will still have him "on ice"...

Personally, from what I have bred to outside stallions in the past, I LOVE all my babies, but the easiest were the AFR, and my Hall of Fame filly.

[camohn]

The list of stallions that produce amateur friendly offpsring is only limited by the number of people that respond to this question. Most good stallions are proven performers, and frankly they are generally subjected to highly restricted lives, with more confinement and less freedom , even to express themselves than other horses . It takes tremendous strength of mind for them to remain sane, respectful and well mannered when they rarely have choices. Stallions that have shown, have in some cases shipped hundreds of miles as a trooper on a rig full of other horses, performs like a trooper on someone elses schedule, sometimes breeds mornings or evenings to meet obligations to mares, hangs around endlessly waiting for classes, jump offs, braiding , whatever. They ship to shows where they have different neighbours, different bedding, different feed and water available, even different handlers and they take it all in stride. One show we were at had about 30 hunter jumper stallions and there was nary an example of bad behaviour out of the entire lot, infact I see countless examples every show where people around have NO CLUE who is a stallion, backing mares in front of you and proceeding to walk a few feet ahead through a crowded ingate while you patiently have a stallion in hand behind them and no where else to move to.
And horsemanship in the hands of professionals is not neccessarily profoundly more skilled than amateurs.

In general I find that how you raise the offspring has a more subjective bearing on the horse you will have and its amateur suitability. There may truly be a few stallions that do not throw amateur friendly offspring, or dams for that matter but I personally have yet to encounter a problematic youngster that I could attribute to the breeding, I truly have not. I have bred to jumper stallions and I have been delighted to find the youngsters are as docile and easygoing and nonproblematic regardless of sire.

Now I think the question would be "how do you raise your horses to be confident, trusting, willing and amateur friendly?".

My horses have been by my own stallions Cotopaxi and Raffaello, also Cicero, Crack, Capone, Cantour and so on...

Synergy Sport Horses
http://www.synergysporthorses.net

I disagree there. I give it 50% nature/50% nurture. All our foals are raised the same here and they have very different temperments at times.

[not again]

If you come from a large family you will find a variety of personalities. Why would horse families be different? But mitochondrial dna comes directly from the motherline, so that might have something to do with familial energy efficiency levels.

[neVar]

some stallions do pass on a temperment who is quieter, less reactive the type of horse who does well wtih us 'mere mortals' that try to ride these youngsters. One that REALLKY pops to my head is OXFORD and WARKANSON

Yes mare temperment plays in, and yes that doesn't mean ALL foals by those stallions are great easy to deal with horses. i'm sure some are hotter, some are a bit more sensitive. We have quite a few Warkanson babies in our barn- and almost all of them are the type you can throw a kid on after a few weeks under saddle- will pack their owners around a course- wait rather then react type horses. But we got one who is a spitfire- sensitive and hot- a great mare- not 'crazy' just not an amature type of horse- talent oozing out of her pores *L* but she is a lot more reactive and alot hotter then her full brother.

[HSGF]

Without a doubt POPEYE K.

[JenRose]

Shine is the quietest hunter stallion I have ever seen and I have heard his offspring are that way, too. I met him at a show in Va. having his braids removed while ground-tied, eyes at half mast, in the barn aisle. I led my 2 year old stud colt right by him and he never turned a hair.

If quiet is what you want, I'd definitely look into that one.

I totally agree. I saw Shine at a show in Tyler over the weekend and really "met" him and talked to his owner. He is an absolute doll. Adorable jump, gorgeous, and his temperament is unbelievable. His owner showed him in the adults. For the first time in my 18 year riding career it made me want to learn more about breeding & to possibly find a nice mare to cross with him. My current amateur gelding is a complete a$$. The older I get, the more I value temperment. I was very impressed. :yes:

[grayfox]

I've had a very quiet Just the Best, Don Alfredo and Chaka Khan. I've heard Shine has a wonderful temperment also.

[eggbutt]

I have a theory that seems to be 90% accurate and I tested it with hundreds of offspring. We can all see the exterior likeness of a parent but I think the coat color has a connection with the inner qualities. The offsprings character will be most like the parent with like color. I have had sensitive mares that produced much more like the stallion when the color matched the stallion and be much the same as the mare when they had her color. It obviously does not always work as with a third color or if the parent have the same color but that is a small group. It is a fun game but the theory seems to hold up very well.


What an interesting theory! I have to agree with you after thinking about this for less than 5 minutes.

[eggbutt]

I would also suggest Don Principe of Marydell Farm (Marydell also posts here so please chime in!!). He's an amazing stallion, very calm and cool and seems almost unruffled about anything.

[Valentina_32926]

Wolfgang (KWPN)

[J-Lu]

Canaan Ranch's, Donates, has a wonderful brain and rideability for AA's. His do quite well at the breed shows too. http://canaanranch.net/horse%20pages/Donates%20page.html


Amen, sister!!! I'm an amateur and I've had the priveledge of riding him, walking him, wrapping him, etc. His tagline? "Ma'am, yes ma'am". He's primarily a dressage horse but jumps very well and has produced a couple of very nice hunter prospects, too (i.e. Daschelle on that website).

J.

[florida foxhunter]

Claim to Fame is as sweet as he is gorgeous........He's been raised, mostly trained, shown successfully, ridden daily at home and now even collected by his 50+ amateur owner!! He seems to be passing this wonderful temperaments on to his foals as well...........a THREE year old has been foxhunting with Rappahannockj Hunt in VA........but she ALSO was in the top five of her class at Devon, the IHF, etc.........brains and beauty.....a winning combination.

[gortmore]

Clover Cliste is producing Amateur Friendly temperament and ability for the pros. He was pulled out of the field and taken to a horse show this year after two years away from showing. I put a pro on him for the first time in his life, she jumped/rode him two times before the show and he went in and jumped double clean for her and did the 4's with her on his second day. The grooms were in love with him and could not believe he was a stallion. To boot he now has a 7 year old son, Clover All Over, from his first foal crop whoe just moved into the Grand Prixes (did a Level 8 class on Saturday night) in the Midwest USA and this same son is heading to Wellington for the 7/8 year old Young Jumper National Finals.

[1derful]

Hi, here is my babysitter hacking one of my stallions on the roadside trails. http://www.1derful.com/hanoverian/wonderful/extra/trail_horse.jpg
Non-horsey kids wanted a picture:
http://www.1derful.com/hanoverian/wonderful/extra/kids_horse.jpg

I also found from this forum a link to one of his offspring Wunderland in Scott Hassler Symposium - http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/ThumbPage.aspx?e=2604358&g=0AO3000U01 He also competed in the National 4-year-old FEI championship, which required qualifiying scores, ridden by his owner Erika. Before the championship, Erika reported that he got a cut on the knee only few weeks before they championship so she was not sure whether the would go. I followed up with the championship news, and saw they did go, and were 4th out of 12 entires in one of the tests beating BNTs and BNHs. The second test was not so exciting. Oh well, young horses.

All my boys are pretty good for their old ammie owner, moi. :-) They have to be because other than the breeding season, they are boarded at a public training facility with 200 boarders; many are youngsters with their ponies, or ammies who can't control their jumping horses at times. Of course I am not saying they are good for beginners, but experienced amateurs can enjoy them. Take a peek at my website if you're interested in their and their offspring's accomplishments, etc.

Enjoy,

[Glorybee]

Any links for Shine ladies and gents? he's one I haven't heard or seen much about?

I agree that the mare also have a genetic role to play... In reality, there isn't much about my mare that I wouldn't want to reproduce... a little less "mareishness", and a cup of "slow down", oh yeah, and better feet!

[MagicRoseFarm]

Beste Gold, but not many of his oldest offspring's owners come to COTH... and he is only 8 years old now,,, I never had a stallion before, and I never competed at the national level before :) He is very consistant with passing his temperament and movement to his offspring

He is #3 ranked USEF sire for DSHB and 25th for Hunter breeding sires..

[fish]

Any links for Shine ladies and gents? he's one I haven't heard or seen much about?

I agree that the mare also have a genetic role to play... In reality, there isn't much about my mare that I wouldn't want to reproduce... a little less "mareishness", and a cup of "slow down", oh yeah, and better feet!

I checked the IHF website and found a stallion listed as "Alesi (Shine)" with the following contact info.: Olde Oaks Farm 713-806-7108. I do believe there was also a full page ad for Shine in last year's COTH stallion issue as well.

Edited to add: found the website: http://www.oldeoaksfarm.com/shine.html

[chalkhorse farm]

Ragtime at the last Pebble Beach show after being Champion Regular Working Hunter with Carol Wright, was Champion Amateur Equitation 18-35 3' with Laura Mormann.

[WhatzUp]

The list of stallions that produce amateur friendly offpsring is only limited by the number of people that respond to this question. Most good stallions are proven performers, and frankly they are generally subjected to highly restricted lives, with more confinement and less freedom , even to express themselves than other horses . It takes tremendous strength of mind for them to remain sane, respectful and well mannered when they rarely have choices. Stallions that have shown, have in some cases shipped hundreds of miles as a trooper on a rig full of other horses, performs like a trooper on someone elses schedule, sometimes breeds mornings or evenings to meet obligations to mares, hangs around endlessly waiting for classes, jump offs, braiding , whatever. They ship to shows where they have different neighbours, different bedding, different feed and water available, even different handlers and they take it all in stride. One show we were at had about 30 hunter jumper stallions and there was nary an example of bad behaviour out of the entire lot, infact I see countless examples every show where people around have NO CLUE who is a stallion, backing mares in front of you and proceeding to walk a few feet ahead through a crowded ingate while you patiently have a stallion in hand behind them and no where else to move to.
And horsemanship in the hands of professionals is not neccessarily profoundly more skilled than amateurs.

In general I find that how you raise the offspring has a more subjective bearing on the horse you will have and its amateur suitability. There may truly be a few stallions that do not throw amateur friendly offspring, or dams for that matter but I personally have yet to encounter a problematic youngster that I could attribute to the breeding, I truly have not. I have bred to jumper stallions and I have been delighted to find the youngsters are as docile and easygoing and nonproblematic regardless of sire.

Now I think the question would be "how do you raise your horses to be confident, trusting, willing and amateur friendly?".

My horses have been by my own stallions Cotopaxi and Raffaello, also Cicero, Crack, Capone, Cantour and so on...

Synergy Sport Horses
http://www.synergysporthorses.net


Hello,

I completely agree with you ... your post is extremely well written
and I too have seen - and more often than not experienced from the
handler's side - exactly what you have written time and time again ...

(I surmise we should be stabling beside you in the future if possible !)

Yours in sport,

Lynn

[jvstanyer]

Hi, If you are interested in finding a breeding at a great price check out the Northwest Sporthorse Breeders Association at www.nwshba.com. The 2008 stallion listing is open. There are several very amateur friendly stallions listed, Palladio is one of them.

[Ladybug Hill]

I have a friend that has a lovely Shine 2 year old and she knows a couple of others with Shine offspring. They are definitely nice horses and well behaved. I have been told that the stallion has smallish, TB type feet, but the Shine 2 year old has good feet so I am not sure.

Email me for pictures if you like and I will also give you Meg's email address too. christolar@comcast.net

[Rubs Not Pats]

Without a doubt POPEYE K.

Uhh hate to say it but have you seen WOW? She is amazingly beautiful but not amateur looking at all.

[KimPeterson]

I think more horses are victims of "Bad Breaking and Starting" than bad temperament. Some need to be brought along slower with the steps broken down and I think that often the owners may rush them. I agree with Hi Jump, also remember a stallion that is a harder ride can look/learn to be ammie friendly through a good rider and lots of exposure/training.

[Equino]

Uhh hate to say it but have you seen WOW? She is amazingly beautiful but not amateur looking at all.

Is she the big, bay mare in the Westchester area, for sale? I saw one recently at an OSF show, and while she was gorgeous, nice mover, jumper, definitely not easy at this point in her career. I've heard that aside Sailor's Spirit, most of the Popeye K babies have been a bit bloody and nervous. I don't know if that's true, never worked around one, just what I've heard.

[HSGF]

I have 2 Popeye offspring(one is now owned by a freind) and both are amateur friendly mounts. I don't ride much any more and I hacked my Popeye 3 year old at the time around and flatted her 3 times a week..... she is a joy to ride...very easy going under saddle. Both have been easy to work with and not complicated rides at all. A good friend of mine also has a Popeye youngster and he has also been very easy to train with a great mind.

There are quite a few Popeye's showing in my area (Ontario) that are being shown in the hunters with amateurs riders. So far I have heard really positive things from trainers and riders about the Popeye offspring......


Don't forget you also have to take the mares temperment into the equation as well...... stallions can't get all the blame or credit .;)

[CBoylen]

We have three Popeye babies in the barn, and they are all ridden by amateurs and easy to handle (seriously, for me, and I'm 5'2" on a good day). The one was just purchased for its owner to do in the adults next year, and has been showing in the adults and younger childrens all this year as a 5 year old. The other two are four and both shown by a professional, but ridden and handled by amateurs at home.
My two year old Popeye filly is also going under tack with no problem, and is very easy and friendly on the ground. My cousin recently purchased a yearling Popeye stallion with the intention of eventually making him up for herself as an amateur horse and keeping him a stallion, and he appears as though he's going to be appropriate for that.
Popeye himself is as easy to handle as they get, and takes almost no prep to get to the ring (I've been around Shine and he is also a great example of an easy prep stallion.). If all the geldings in the barn were all as easy to handle as Popeye we'd be golden ;).

[Equino]

Well, that's good to know! I'm aware the mare contributes a lot, probably the majority personality traits. Popeye is so popular, and for good reason, nice to know some of his offspring are following in his footsteps. I always wondered why his owner has only been on him once, and I guess I just assumed he was tougher than the public has been led to believe. I've riden and worked around a few Voltaire babies and they were all so much fun to ride, and easy easy easy.

CBoylen-is your 2 year old filly the one out of Roxanne? I'd imagine that cross is truly something special. Do you have pictures?

Now I realize my mistake...Of course I meant Rox Dene, not Roxanne! That's my sister's mare...Sorry for the mistype!

[CBoylen]

I always wondered why his owner has only been on him once, and I guess I just assumed he was tougher than the public has been led to believe.
The horse was purchased by her mother as a professional division horse, and not intended for her to ride. It wasn't a case of him being too tough to ride, just a management decision from the very beginning.

Yes, my two year old is the one out of Rox Dene. I don't have any recent pictures online, but there are a few older pics in my webshots. She seems to be pretty special so far.

[Rubs Not Pats]

Equino,
No it is a different horse, this one is a yearling out of Holy Cow. Now I will be the first to say, it could be a case of a yearling getting serious amounts of food (and anyone who has done the HB seriously knows that they do get fed "up") but I think there is a little more to this one.

[eventrider]

Sea Accounts has been in my barn a little over a month and a half now. He is the fourth stallion I have had and has changed my opinion of stallions in general. I have yet to put a chain on him in any situation...including hauling next to a mare in heat several times, having my junior student walk him up to the show ring and hold him ringside for me at every show, and for all other vet/farrier work,etc. He has the best mind of any horse I have had including geldings and mares. He goes to sleep in the x-c start box and ringside, and at the last show I had several people ask if we were going to market him to the hunter world after watching his stadium round.
All of his offspring that I have met have had the same personality as well. I am planning on breeding 3 mares to him this spring for sale and for myself ;).

Feel free to email me if anyone has any questions, he truly is a big sweet puppy dog.

Christan
www.trainoreventing.com

[Northwest Sporthorse]

Lacado is very kind and from what we have seen his offspring are very kind and easy to work with. You can purchase a breeding to him less than at half price right now at the Northwest Sporthorse Stallion Service Auction. Visit the website and www.nwshba.com

[showjumpers66]

:lol: I think I have met more stallions with amateur friendly brains than not. As long as someone is knowledgable enough to deal with the occassional "stallion behavior", most stallions are not that different from mares. All of our stallions are ridden by amateurs and juniors.

[Equine Connection]

Lots of great stallions mentioned here. Depending upon your mare's physical and mental attributes and very important, your breeding goals and objectives, if you seek a stallion whose lineage consistently produces exceptional riding and performance horses (sire German Bundeschampion with scores of 10's for rideability, trainability and movement under Rudoph Zeilinger and Bettina Overesch), who have great minds and can be ridden by amateur and professional alike, you may want to take a look at the German Trakehner stallion, Happy Hour. Happy is handled, loved (incredibly so :)), trained and ridden by an amateur just about every day and has also been ridden by some of the best pros (i.e., Lars Petersen, Linda Zang, Eric Chalemet),who consistently produces offspring with upper level potential and who inherit his incredible kind nature. Happy and his offspring are exceptionally kind, willing, sensible, uncomplicated, very rideable and trainable and also possess the conformation, gaits and movement for upper level performance. Very best wishes. :)

[Riggs]

Tish's Just The Best is just that. She had to evacuate with 30 horses during the recent wild fires in CA - she had the boys next to each other in pipe corrals - they behaved impeccably in a very stressful situation.

Fred's A Fine Romance is another lovely boy, with great manners and a lovely temperament which he passes on.

I have seen pictures of Just the Best's get and they are gaspfully lovely! I havent had the pleasure of being around any of them though I wish I were! I heard they were fantastic in all the panic during the fires though, so he has my vote!


I know A Fine Romance very well and have indeed had the pleasure to have worked around him and handled him, as well as at least half a dozen of his get. I also know of others who have his get and it seems universal that he passes on his calm, mature, common sense way to his babies (to say nothing of his powerful butt and ability to improve mares with his excellent conformation). While many of his get are doing well in eventing and show homes with more advanced riders and pros, I also know a couple of relatively green riders with Fred get that just love him. When they dont go to BNTs, the babies sometimes dont get heard about, but in Fred's case, the ones that have gone to ammy homes seem to be very good and well loved in their ammy homes which is definitely worth something too. Some people just want a very good horse for themselves to enjoy and Fred seems to fit that bill as well. Very multi-valued stallion IMHO.