Anyone had experience with labiaplasty Update!!!!!!

[alter pain]

Has anyone had this surgery? I need to have this done because of chronic pain from labia that have descended down so that it rubs on clothing. I have had a really hard time riding with this. It is very annoying and painful. This is not a cosmetic procedure for me although I have read on the internet that some women do choose to have it for cosmetic reasons. Has anyone here had this?
If so how long did you wait to ride? Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks. PM's welcome.

[jetsmom]

I guess tatooing it so it looks like a bassett hound with long ears is out of the question?????;)

[EqTrainer]

I cannot say I have, but I do want to just take this moment to scream, really loudly..

SOMETIMES IT SUCKS, TO BE A WOMAN!

Geez Louise, it seems like we never get a break. Good luck to you.

[Tiempo]

I cannot say I have, but I do want to just take this moment to scream, really loudly..

SOMETIMES IT SUCKS, TO BE A WOMAN!

Geez Louise, it seems like we never get a break. Good luck to you.

Ditto.

It sounds very painful and I respect your courage for asking, even under an alter.

I would imagine this problem would make riding very difficult, I hope all works out well for you.

[alter pain]

I've already had one PM that said that recovery for riding is 6 weeks. I suspected as much. My Dr. said that two weeks would be enough for recovery but I just don't think they are thinking extended trot work. I have been really uncomfortable with this for years but didn't know there was any possible surgery.

I am really happy that there is a potential solution but I'm concerned that if something goes wrong I could be unable to ride at all.

[BuddyRoo]

Boy...I've got nothing but good thoughts for you. (where's the gentle hug icon??)

However, I would think that the recovery time for something like that would be similar to an episiotomy. Pretty vascular tissue, lots of nerve endings...likely to be sore but heal rather quickly.

I've not had one of THOSE either, but surely there are plenty of women riding who've had those done.....

Best of luck to you.

[asb_own_me]

I've seen these on a few shows on Discovery Health and actually on the Dr. 90210 show. None of the women featured were asking about riding, so I can't help you there, but good luck. I can't imagine how painful that must be....and then doubly insulting to have it interfere with an activity that you love.

[horseandhound]

I've already had one PM that said that recovery for riding is 6 weeks. I suspected as much. My Dr. said that two weeks would be enough for recovery but I just don't think they are thinking extended trot work. I have been really uncomfortable with this for years but didn't know there was any possible surgery.

I am really happy that there is a potential solution but I'm concerned that if something goes wrong I could be unable to ride at all.

I wish you all the best and Kudos for asking for opinions on such a delicate subject. I would ask, is the pain bad enough to risk a problem that could arise and prevent you from riding at all?

[alter pain]

It is bad enough now that I really can't ride with any regularity. I can't sit a trot and I ride dressage. Its so bad that any clothing tight or loose is irritating. The only way I'm comfortable is in a robe with no underwear. I switched to full seat breeches that have no seam in the crotch and they helped a little but it has gotten so bad that lately I can only brave it once a week or so. With any surgery you take chances but I have to think this is a good solution. I can't imagine having to be like this forever. Thanks for the good wishes. I will let you know how it goes.

I was just hoping to find someone who has actually done this.

[jetsmom]

This link to a plastic surgery bb/labiaplasty might help...

http://messageboards.makemeheal.com/viewforum.php?f=39&sid=9673a85d45fa024a1a2ac5975397be20

[shaft0463]

wow, all i can say is i hope it goes well for you. that sounds way less than fun, and i wish you the best of luck with your surgery.

[citydog]

Ouch!

Maybe try a sheepskin seat saver in the interim?

Good luck to you.

[citabobita]

SOMETIMES IT SUCKS, TO BE A WOMAN!

Geez Louise, it seems like we never get a break. Good luck to you.

Well it COULD be worse...I mean...we could have a big, sensitive scrotum bouncing around, not to mention having to wear breeches where all the horse show girls can see your "cash and prizes" if not arranged properly...:eek: I think I'll pass on that too.

Um...anyway, to the OP...sorry but your situation sucks out loud and I am of no help. :cry: I only know one person to go through with it, and it was for cosmetic reasons, she was not a rider. Good luck

[Coup De Des]

we could have a big, sensitive scrotum bouncing around,


Hands down... that is the foulest thing I have ever read on this forum.

Thanks for taking it to an all new low.
:dead:
Chronicle of the Horse should be so proud.


Some things just take it too far on forums. Google is your friend. Find a plastic surgery forum. Have a consultation with a plastic surgeon.

[fullmoon fever]

I only know one person to go through with it, and it was for cosmetic reasons

Cosmetic reasons? WTF? I can't imagine anywhere other than Hustler porn mag that it would be an issue to have your girly bits nipped and tucked. (Really, I'm sitting here thinking how you even know it needs to be done. Does your b/f or husband tell you that you need it or do you sit over a mirror and imagine how Barbie would look if she was anatomically correct?)

I can imagine my DH asking me if I thought he would look better if he were circumcised and then having it done because I thought it was "prettier".

For the OP, yes, I can see why you'd want it done, but for vanity, not so much.

[Marcella]

Well it COULD be worse...I mean...we could have a big, sensitive scrotum bouncing around, not to mention having to wear breeches where all the horse show girls can see your "cash and prizes" if not arranged properly...:eek: I think I'll pass on that too.

LOL

And I hear that AC/DC song playing in the background!!

[Marcella]

Hands down... that is the foulest thing I have ever read on this forum.

Thanks for taking it to an all new low.
:dead:
Chronicle of the Horse should be so proud.


Some things just take it too far on forums. Google is your friend. Find a plastic surgery forum. Have a consultation with a plastic surgeon.

And how exactly is that different from graphic sheath cleaning discussions? I am absolutely ROTHLMAO

[FancyFree]

Well it COULD be worse...I mean...we could have a big, sensitive scrotum bouncing around, not to mention having to wear breeches where all the horse show girls can see your "cash and prizes" if not arranged properly...:eek: I think I'll pass on that too.

Um...anyway, to the OP...sorry but your situation sucks out loud and I am of no help. :cry: I only know one person to go through with it, and it was for cosmetic reasons, she was not a rider. Good luck

That's very true. I've always wondered if it is uncomfortable for men to ride at times. You know, an unexpected jostle here or there...

For the OP, I watched an episode of Dr. 90210 where a woman had some kind of reconstructive surgery. Parts of her were too long and getting in the way of sex. I don't mean to offend the super sensitive on here, but I don't know how else to describe it. Anyway, she appeared to recover very well and was extremely happy with the surgery. It's not as uncommon as one would think. Just make sure to find the best doctor. When you get a name, Google him. Good luck!

[Rodeio]

For the OP, I watched an episode of Dr. 90210 where a woman had some kind of reconstructive surgery.

The woman who had the labiaplasty last season on Dr. 90210 is back this season getting a breast lift because they hurt her while she rides horse. So after the labiaplasty last year she can ride just fine because it showed her riding this season.

[Orn1218]

I would imagine if it is like most surgeries that require stitches (I've had an episiotmy, c-section, and gall bladder removal) that the recovery would be about 6 weeks until you can resume "normal" actvities. It seems to me that most doctors use 6 weeks as a benchmark. It may take 8 or more to resume very active riding.

[jacksorbetter]

My barn owner has a problem similar to yours... she rides in special "padded" underwear and has a sheepskin cover on her saddle. This really helps her problem. I can tell you that I had a HUGE episiotomy when I delivered my 9 lb. 5 oz baby boy five years ago. I thought my nether regions would never be the same again... but luckily it is an area that heals very quickly, and within a few weeks all was back to normal.
Just make sure you do your homework... find a very reputable surgeon who has done many of these procedures... Just imagine if the surgery didn't go so well and you ended up with lots of scar tissue down there... :o:o:eek::eek:

[shea'smom]

No advice, but good luck. It sucks to be in pain.

[AnotherRound]

No advice, but I bet it sucks to be you. Thanks for sharing.

[Amwrider]

Poor dear, I does indeed suck to not ride because of pain. I wish you the best. Jingling for a sucessful surgery and I would also think that that area would heal very well.

[MistyBlue]

Whoa...here's a fine howdy-do in the morning!
The Vagina Chronicles of the Horse. :eek:
I need more coffee...

Not making fun OP...and I do sincerely wish if you go ahead with having it hemmed it relieves your discomfort.

[Coup De Des]

Vagina Monologues?

Yeah, i've heard you can get it done really cheaply in Africa

[BeastieSlave]

OP, I have no advice or experience to offer, but it sounds like your riding isn't that enjoyable now. I think that if I was in your shoes, I'd go for it. Six weeks or so would be worth it to me. Good luck and please keep us posted.

And I hear that AC/DC song playing in the background!!

He's got the biggest _____ of them all!! :lol:
(sorry, I just couldn't help it....)

[Hazelnut]

Well, at one time no one talked about women's health concerns openly. Too much shame and embarrassement.

Put it out there so others can be aware. This piece of health care information may be useful to someone who has this very uncomfortable problem, but never knew a solution existed.

As for the humor and indignant shock at this "delicate" topic- so be it - laughter is the best medicine! If this ain't horse related, I don't know what is. If it was the OP's knee- we wouldn't blink an eye.

To the OP: Good luck and here's hoping for a speedy recovery and that you get your life back.

[alter pain]

Thanks for all the replies.

I know it's a gross subject but I didn't want to get the opinions of plastic surgeons or patients who did this for cosmetic reasons. I have NOOOO interest in the visual aspects of the surgery.

I was just hoping that someone had this problem and had a successful result so that I could feel a bit better about having it. I wanted a rider's feedback. I would be looking for a solution for this even if I didn't ride because of the discomfort even in jeans or pantyhose but I would be really disappointed if it ended badly and I could not ride at all.

[Lisamarie8]

Vagina Monologues?

Yeah, i've heard you can get it done really cheaply in Africa

Yeah, cause making a scrotum joke is foul, but mocking genital mutilation is HILARIOUS :rolleyes:

[**stellar**]

Vagina Monologues?

Yeah, i've heard you can get it done really cheaply in Africa

...that is so tastless and unclassy it hurts

[alter pain]

I just got a PM from someone who had this. I feel a lot better about it after hearing her story. That's what is so great about this board. There are so many of you and I knew someone would step forward to help.

Also I think that this really needs to be talked about. It's one thing to have some friction problems down there but this has been really painful and frustrating to my riding. Since everything I do in my life is geared toward my horses, this has been a really difficult problem for me to discuss with my trainer. The PMer who shared her experience with me also had the "Sit deep" problem with her instructors. That is exactly the problem that I have had and it's so great just to know that I'm not alone.

[Dressage62]

I've had an episiotmy, c-section, and gall bladder removal
Hopefully, not all at the same time.
I think every post has contributed something of value to this discussion. Nothing is "foul," I think some of it is clever and funny, and hopefully the original poster will get the help she needs.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

So glad something with "experience" in this area could help you out! And really, this is no different in principle than back/knee/pregnancy/asthma/MS/RA/cancer issues.

And it should be a great comfort to know that whatever the problem, you aren't alone.

Good luck with the surgery! And - as an aside - it is amazing how much you can accomplish on the ground, working your horse, that translates to the saddle. Also - read Jane Savoie's book "That Winning Feeling!" - she talks about being laid up right before a major competition, and she visualized her riding down the the tiniest detail - and that also made an enormous, positive difference in her riding.

[Orn1218]

Hopefully, not all at the same time.

No, thank goodness! :eek: :lol: It was over a 14 year period.

[alter pain]

Dressage Geek. I have had lessons on really bad days where I suggested that my trainer just watch my bad show tapes and yell at me instead of actually riding. I am doing some ground work with my most challenging horse and it has helped. That's a good point though for people who are recovering from other types of surgery. After my hysterectomy I taught one of my horses tricks.

This really is not funny but I have had some amusing moments when riding my upper level horse. I had been having trouble with changes and giving a very subtle aid. Once when I was just trying to relieve my own discomfort I shifted to one side just slightly and got a great change. Sort of a light bulb moment that actually was useful.

[Prieta]

Hugs...I know the feeling of wanting to continue to ride. One of my friends killed herself when she was told that she couldn't ride anymore due to her injuries that would never go away and that it would get worse over time. Our friends and I understood her and did not blame her for that. I'm happy that you are doing everything you can to ensure that you'd continue to ride. Thank you......Hugs Hugs :bighug: ( I copied over this smiley :bighug: from Master's Swimming - hopefully, COTH would get those smiley which might be better than what we have here on COTH).

Meanwhile, I'm still working on my back injury.

[bip]

No, thank goodness! :eek: :lol: It was over a 14 year period.

Oh my god, and on top of that you had a 14 year PERIOD?! :D

[asb_own_me]

The woman who had the labiaplasty last season on Dr. 90210 is back this season getting a breast lift because they hurt her while she rides horse. So after the labiaplasty last year she can ride just fine because it showed her riding this season.

You're right, that was the same woman.

[ImJumpin]

You're right, that was the same woman.

And if I remember from her initial surgery, she was told 6 weeks of recovery before sex. You'll probably find a similar recovery time before riding then, at least 6 weeks if not more-- or only riding in a light seat at first as I think riding puts more pressure and friction on you for a longer time frame. Trying to stay away from the TMI venue ;)

Good luck with your surgery; I think it is perfectly understandable why you are getting it done. As another poster stated, I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would get it done for cosmetic purposes. It makes me sick to think we live in a society that has become so vain that we are resorting to beautifying our who-whos.

[luise]

Well, as a gyn who trained in NYC, there are a lot of women who are obsessed with how things look "down there." I saw quite a few patients who had surgery just for cosmetic reasons. Why they are spending all their time looking at themselves is beyond me...

[Paragon]

Yeah, i've heard you can get it done really cheaply in Africa

Except this procedure has nothing to do with what occurs in Africa. There are, you know, different parts down there.

[Poponpopoff]

:eek::eek: and :eek:
am I so out of it? I don't even know what a "good looking" personal area is supposed to look like :eek:

[MistyBlue]

LOL...it's not traditionally an attractive part of the female anatomy, is it?

I've seen parts of an episode of Dr 90210 where someone was having it done because she was so embarassed about how that area looked and had problems dating men due to her embarassment.
My first thought was: They do that?
My second thought was: Wait...does she flash it to every male she sees?
My third thought was: Is mine supposed to be actually pretty?
My fourth thought was: Holy...change the channel in case they show something! :eek: :lol:

I never knew it was a cosmetic surgery. Although I do fully understand it being a discomfort issue for the OP. That can NOT be comfortable. :no:

[citydog]

LOL...it's not traditionally an attractive part of the female anatomy, is it?

Says who?

[Rodeio]

LOL...it's not traditionally an attractive part of the female anatomy, is it?



That reminds me of the clip in the movie American Pie where Jim's Dad is showing him the dirty magazines and says "This one looks sort of like a flower."

[FancyFree]

Vagina Monologues?

Yeah, i've heard you can get it done really cheaply in Africa

Wow, first you're slamming another poster for being tasteless, then post this grotesque quip. Hypocritical much?


Dear OP, there is a site called Yes They're Fake. It's a plastic surgery site that also has a message board. You probably can find someone there who has gone through the procedure. I was on it to research Botox which I am giving myself for Christmas. :yes:

[EdwynEdwyn]

OP- I just wanted to wish you the best of luck and a speedy recovery! It is silly that this is such a taboo topic... it is just another part of the body!

Good luck!

[MistyBlue]

Says who?
I would guess whoever gave it the nickname Bearded Clam. :lol:
LOL...hey I got one. I've seen it. I don't have any portraits of it hanging in the house. :winkgrin:

[Lisamarie8]

Misty, I bet you would if you got a twatoo... you'd be showing it to everyone then.

[jetsmom]

This thread has brought up so many previously unthought of questions...

Do you think that the porn mag editors have a FPOTD blog like FHOTD????

Do they have their own "Conformation critiques" like Practical Horsemen mag used to?

What did my trainer REALLY mean, when she said I looked a little "loose in the tack"?

Have I been using Saddle tite properly?

[CatOnLap]

yes, and now I understand why this forum is sometimes referred to as "CrOTcH in other places.

[Rodeio]

I don't have any portraits of it hanging in the house. :winkgrin:

Now wouldn't THAT make an interesting Christmas gift!

[jetsmom]

Now wouldn't THAT make an interesting Christmas gift!

I'm so glad that MB isn't my Secret Santa...:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[J Swan]

This might be an even better Christmas gift:

http://www.merkinworld.com/



Mistyblue - I've often wondered what you looked like since you seem to be such an interesting person - but I'd prefer a picture of you on a horse, or tossing food to Morticia, thank you very much. :winkgrin:


This thread reminds me of a scene in the movie, Fried Green Tomatoes when a bunch of women are trying to get in touch with their inner selves - and part of the process involves a mirror and their groin. I'm not sure I want to know that much about myself. Or any of y'all, for that matter.

For the OP - any time surgery is involved recovery time varies. I was cleared for riding after soon back surgery but waited because I felt my fitness, particularly core strength, had suffered from the injury, resulting infirmity, plus the surgery. So I exercised and did Pilates for a while - then resumed riding.

So you might feel comfortable riding, but only in 2 point or rising trot, or not at all - so take the opportunity to work with your horse on the longe until you are fully healed.

[TheCoppertop]

I watch Dr 90210 and saw one time Dr Alter (heh) did one on a teenager and she was up and about quick, I doubt riding would be ok for a good while but it seemed like it wasn't as bad as one would think.

The doc did specify though that some doctors used to (still???) just hack off the extra lenth, whereas he does a triangular incision, basically cutting the meat out and then sews the sides together.. so hopefully you're having that neater, nicer surgery.

[bip]

Why they are spending all their time looking at themselves is beyond me...

In our defense, it couldn't be any more time than men spend holding/touching theirs!

And in my personal defense, I'm not sure I could pick mine out of a lineup. She had better behave herself!

[moonriverfarm]

My DH is the first man I ever heard say there are "pretty" ones and "ugly" ones.
We should be happy at least some of "them" are pretty, cause no man's "parts" are what I call attractive!
I say if it bothers someone , and they can afford to, get it fixed. That goes for noses, faces, boobs, whatever. If it hurts your self esteem, or you get made fun of, and you cant get past it, fix it!

[equit8or]

This thread has brought up so many previously unthought of questions...

Do you think that the porn mag editors have a FPOTD blog like FHOTD????

Do they have their own "Conformation critiques" like Practical Horsemen mag used to?

What did my trainer REALLY mean, when she said I looked a little "loose in the tack"?

Have I been using Saddle tite properly?

:lol::D:lol: Jetsmom, Thanks for causing me to spit tea out my nose at work!

OP- best of luck with having the surgery, can't imagine having that kind of discomfort while riding! Hope you have a speedy recovery when you have it and get back in the saddle comfortably soon after!

[Paragon]

yes, and now I understand why this forum is sometimes referred to as "CrOTcH in other places.

Blame Inverness.

But I, personally, will blame the fact that we don't ride horses while lying on our backs in limbo-position. Damn this sport for making us straddle! *shakes fist*

[pony grandma]

In our defense, it couldn't be any more time than men spend holding/touching theirs!

And in my personal defense, I'm not sure I could pick mine out of a lineup. She had better behave herself!

You guys are slaying me! The humor on this thread, none-the-less the forums, is always witty!! It is always an interesting read.......... and this subject is NOT taboo. It's real.

I just bet that none of you knew about this before. It's such a hush-hush thing, maybe easier NOW than 40 yrs ago to talk about. And exactly how would any of you feel if you had this problem and had to try to explain it? Would it sound whiney to try to tell your instructor, or the world for that matter, that you couldn't sit deeper in the saddle??

And then be forced to try to explain WHY!

I applaud this lady's bravery for outing this. There just may be others out there who suffer and don't realize that they can do something about it and that they are not imagining this and they are not alone. Good for her.

[alter pain]

I just had a PM from another woman who says she has the same problem but didn't know she could do anything about it. I don't mind the humorous attempts at talking about this though even for me it's not funny. At least people are talking about it.

[Seven]

I just had a PM from another woman who says she has the same problem but didn't know she could do anything about it. I don't mind the humorous attempts at talking about this though even for me it's not funny. At least people are talking about it.

I hope that when you're completely healed and riding splendidly again you can see the humor in some of this!

Best wishes on a speedy recovery.

[Coreene]

I don't mind the humorous attempts at talking about this though even for me it's not funny. But you posted some TMI stuff on a public BB for the entire world to see. It is unfortunate that you have to go through this, but if you wanted less people poking fun, it would perhaps have been better to post this on a BB related to what you're going through. I am sure that other people on a labiaplasty BB ride horses.

Or, in other words, loose lips sink ships. This is the biggest Inverness Problem we've ever encountered, and of course we're going to have a giggle.

All the best for a speed recovery.

[summerhorse]

Hands down... that is the foulest thing I have ever read on this forum.

Thanks for taking it to an all new low.
:dead:
Chronicle of the Horse should be so proud.


Some things just take it too far on forums. Google is your friend. Find a plastic surgery forum. Have a consultation with a plastic surgeon.

LOL well you DID click on it! It isn't like the title wasn't clear on what it was about!

[lizathenag]

I have decided never to have elective surgery again. Please consider the (unwanted rare)side effects that can be worse than the original problem.

I spent way too long healing from my broken ankle due to a bone infection that I picked up in the hospital. It was not elective surgery. I vowed then not to do any more elective surgery.

This may not be elective for you. Good luck with whatever you choose to do but listen carefully to the warnings.

[summerhorse]

How soon you can ride will depend on how fast you heal and your pain tolerance. Luckily that area DOES heal fast. So I wouldn't worry too much about that. Enjoy your time off and know that it will increase your future riding time 100 fold. And when you get back take it easy on the riding and only go as fast or bumpy as you feel comfy with! =)

I admit I have never even heard of this or thought about it being a problem. But I remember a vicious pair of blue jeans I had in junior high that caused some PAINFUL swelling and I finally tossed them in the trash and thankfully that solved the problem (that and never getting ANY pants with a thick crotch seam!). Of course my mom wanted to know WHY I tossed them in the trash. Well as a repressed teen I couldn't TELL her! LOL

I visited the MB someone posted and now I can see how many women suffer from this and not from looks alone although I DO see (now) how that can be an issue, seriously!! Besides the discomfort factor. Some things are just meant to be tucked safely away and this isn't a surgery that most (normal) people would just have for the heck of it!!

[Sing Mia Song]

While I do not suffer from this problem, I have in the past had severe vulvodynia. It is no fun, and the reluctance to talk about it makes you feel like you're the only one in the world with the problem. It's very isolating and very depressing, especially because it keeps you from the thing you enjoy most--riding.

Some of you may think it disgusting. But not talking about it won't make it go away. These sorts of problems are acutely real for many women.

To the OP, I hope that you find your answers and that the surgery is a success for you.

[Rebe]

Or, in other words, loose lips sink ships.

Umm, Coreene, did you realize what you said? :lol::lol::lol:

[Calvincrowe]

Coreene, I think the OP was saying she doesn't mind our humorous approach to it, even if she doesn't find her own problem funny. Hugs to you dear OP, and thank you for being brave enough to discuss a "sensitive" subject openly. My OB/GYN let me know a few years ago during a Pap, that my "parts" are offset and not "regular". Lovely! Just like the rest of me--one leg longer than the other, pin-headed, hunched back. Anyway- here's to a rapid and successful recovery. I hope you'll let us know how you do, and how much better riding is when you get back to it.

[Coreene]

Umm, Coreene, did you realize what you said? :lol::lol::lol:Yes, but I must give credit to another BBer for that line. I merely borrowed it. ;)

[Huntertwo]

LOL

And I hear that AC/DC song playing in the background!!

Yeah...lol Love that song.

[Mozart]

Well I can add this topic to the list of things I knew nothing about and did not expect to learn about today!

[prince and ponies]

OP-I wish you the best of luck--hugs to you! As for Misty Blue, Coreen & Bip-you gals have nearly caused me to ruin my keyboard AND my monitor!!!

[J Swan]

I was cutting the grass a while ago and starting thinking about this rather eye opening thread - and a question popped into my head.

Is this something all of us 40+ women are going to have to look forward to in addition to watching out boobs sag down to our knees? Are these two areas the only ones that sag that far or do I have to plan for a life in which pretty much step on all my body parts every time I lean over?

[MistyBlue]

J Swan...there's a photo of me in my profile on here.
I'm standing with Galopin right after I bought. I am fully clothed. I swear. And I have bad helmet hair. :D

I'm still floored that people could have this issue, not have it affect them in any ways except for appearance and have surgery on it to make it prettier.
Isn't is cheaper to just put a bow in it's hair?

(OP...seriously...in no way poking fun at your painful issue. I'm sure anyone who had the same issue and rode with that much pain would get the same procedure. What's hilarious to me are teenaged girls getting it "prettied up" as purely cosmetic surgery.)

[jetsmom]

I was cutting the grass a while ago and starting thinking about this rather eye opening thread - and a question popped into my head.

Is this something all of us 40+ women are going to have to look forward to in addition to watching out boobs sag down to our knees? Are these two areas the only ones that sag that far or do I have to plan for a life in which pretty much step on all my body parts every time I lean over?

J Swan- I can't answer your question, but it does make you kinda rethink why all those people need saddles with the "long flap" option...

[J Swan]

MB - I never figured you for a blonde. Of course - it's possible you are not a real blonde - but I don't want any more information. I'm kinda, um, bewildered at this thread because it's been a bit of an education for me. I'm not sure I wanted this education - but I got it nonetheless.

Nice horse. Really nice horse. He clashes with your "blonde" hair and I'd be happy to take him off your hands. You can have my pig in exchange. Or one of the goats. :D

[J Swan]

J Swan- I can't answer your question, but it does make you kinda rethink why all those people need saddles with the "long flap" option...

Bwwwaahahahahahahahahaha:D:D:D:lol::lol::lol:

[MistyBlue]

MB - I never figured you for a blonde. Of course - it's possible you are not a real blonde - but I don't want any more information. I'm kinda, um, bewildered at this thread because it's been a bit of an education for me. I'm not sure I wanted this education - but I got it nonetheless.

Nice horse. Really nice horse. He clashes with your "blonde" hair and I'd be happy to take him off your hands. You can have my pig in exchange. Or one of the goats.

Unfortunately my hair grows out of my head about the same color as Crayloa Crayons' Sunshine Yellow crayon. The horse is Galopin...that's my mare with the failing heart.

And I agree...that long flao comment is hilarious!

[moonriverfarm]

Should I ask about vulvodynia? I mean, since we are edumacating each other and all.

[Windsor1]

Should I ask about vulvodynia? I mean, since we are edumacating each other and all.

You know you have vulvodynia when your vagina can't meet its deadline and/or always wants to go to Krispy Kreme.:D

(Please tell me we have some former Sex and the City watchers here.)

[moonriverfarm]

I thought maybe it was when you had your vulva redesigned so it would fly better.
Me and mine loves a good hot Krispy Kreme.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

But you know what...at least one other problem has already been addressed. because presumably, if the OP has the surgery, it will then be followed by the "Inverness Problem." Or maybe recovery from the latter will outstrip the former?

[**stellar**]

Dear Vagina: why so blue?

AHHHHH I miss sex and the city likes it is nobodies business and that episode is fabulous!!

[Windsor1]

Dear Vagina: why so blue?

"Dear Vagina, Guess who I have a crush on!"

[EqTrainer]

I was cutting the grass a while ago and starting thinking about this rather eye opening thread - and a question popped into my head.

Is this something all of us 40+ women are going to have to look forward to in addition to watching out boobs sag down to our knees? Are these two areas the only ones that sag that far or do I have to plan for a life in which pretty much step on all my body parts every time I lean over?

I have to admit, I was wondering this while I was feeding. Is this next?

Because, now, let me see...

at almost 40, I finally have cleavage. Why? Because that is what happens after you hoist the girls up into an underwire bra!

Thank god booty is in, because I also finally have some junk in my trunk. Thanks to yoga it is still where it belongs but I check on it everyday. It might try to slip away (down).

I have wrinkles that no longer resemble simply laugh lines. Those, too, are drifting downwards.

I still look pretty good in clothes but things just seem to fall apart (down) once I am undressed. Now I have one more thing to worry about.. gravity sure is a harsh mistress!

[J Swan]

If booty is in - I qualify to be a highly paid model. Those Italian genes don't make us all look like Sophia Loren, more's the pity.

Your post reminds me of a great line in The Full Monty, "Anti-wrinkle cream there may be, but Anti-Fat Bastard cream they're ain't."

I have looked for said cream - and it is true - there is no anti-fat bastard cream. Though I am smearing copious amount of Mary Kay products on my skin - I'm afraid my expression lines insist upon expressing themselves.


(my aunt is a Mary Kay lady, therefore I am a Mary Kay customer.)

I don't even want to know what the other vulva expression is. I'm just going to restructure my budget so I can afford lots of plastic surgery.

[EqTrainer]

[quote=J

I don't even want to know what the other vulva expression is. I'm just going to restructure my budget so I can afford lots of plastic surgery.

[/quote]

I'm going to make Mr.EqT pay for my plastic surgery. I don't want anything on my face done.. I do want a tummy tuck (I have abs of steel but extra skin from bearing his children!) and some sort of liposuction for those rebellious fat cells.

I used to think people who wanted plastic surgery were just insecure. That was when I was 20. Now I get it! I keep looking at my body and thinking... "now WHERE did THAT come from?!!!"

[Huntertwo]

You know you have vulvodynia when your vagina can't meet its deadline and/or always wants to go to Krispy Kreme.:D

(Please tell me we have some former Sex and the City watchers here.)

I LOVE "Sex and the City". Santa bought me the whole box set for Christmas last year.

Can't wait for the movie either:yes:

[Sannois]

I was cutting the grass a while ago and starting thinking about this rather eye opening thread - and a question popped into my head.

Is this something all of us 40+ women are going to have to look forward to in addition to watching out boobs sag down to our knees? Are these two areas the only ones that sag that far or do I have to plan for a life in which pretty much step on all my body parts every time I lean over?

Making me choke on my coffee and scare the cats shrieking with laughter.
Or maybe theres a ring of truth in it as I am almost 50. havent stepped on anything yet.
All I can say is that These things come in all shapes and sizes. And as riders and women we can be subject to some painful moments. I applaude the OP for her candor and bravery.
Even thought the Loose lips sink ships made me fall of the chair laughing!
Good luck OP!!! :)

[citabobita]

Cosmetic reasons? WTF?

She was in a bicycling accident, (just imagine what that thing would do without the seat :( and afterwards, was not right...um...at all. She just couldn't seem to move on with her life until she felt normal again.

[HorsRdr477]

I have never had this done, but I am in the "skin industry" so i know a bit about plastic surgery. It is a fairly simple surgery and the healing time is pretty quick, although I'm not sure you would be able to ride for a while. I know sex is out of the question for about 6 weeks or so. I have also heard that the pain is not very much as well. Good luck to you!

[dizzywriter]

Great topic. I once inadvertently restarted an Inverness discussion having to do with the personal and private issues of riding. In the end, nothing solved it. Just practice in timing not-too-much sitting trot.

But I must add another view on this particular thread, regarding women's view of their nethers and whether they are pretty or not, and how that affects riding.

If you have a brazillian, the riding impact is interesting. Someone I know referred to it as "pu$$y farts" because of the way the air pushes through the nethers without the brush to muffle it. Also, the at home maintenance makes one rather familiar with the details of that area. Very familiar. Whether it is pretty or not is a subjective decision but I guess it boils down to whether one likes oneself overall.

As for any of this being TMI -- we're talking about the big part of us that the books call "contact". All of the euphemisms to describe two and three point are just that: euphemisms. After all, the pubic bone is attached to something.

[BuddyRoo]

For the OP, I'm sure this is no laughing matter...but I give her kudos...because laughter or not, the rest of us are actually learning something and might be less likely to suffer through should we encounter similar.

But I must say...several times throughout the day, I've come back to this thread (first setting my beverage of choice down--which has included coffee this a.m. a soda this afternoon and now my beer) and then LMAO. So thank you!

[xegeba]

I do know of women in their 60's that have had total re-do's... after their husbands come out of prostrate surgery... impotent. I'm fairly confident that these women are not doing this surgery for cosmetic reasons.

[fullmoon fever]

She was in a bicycling accident, (just imagine what that thing would do without the seat :( and afterwards, was not right...um...at all. She just couldn't seem to move on with her life until she felt normal again.

That's understandable. Reconstruction after an accident.

I just have difficulty imagining someone looking in their mirror and thinking "Gee, my pu$$ is grossly unattractive. I'm going to get me some plastic surgery for it!" It's not like it's a nose and it's RIGHT OUT THERE! (Then again, maybe Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears had to have it for those photo ops). :dead:

For anyone who rides or [insert sport/exercise of choice] and it gives them discomfort, get informed and then go for it. There's enough crap to deal with w/o having dangling labia getting in the way. I'm sure that's probably one of the future re-models my sister is planning. (Her surgeries are all vanity, all the way. She always wanted to "be" Barbie. At close to 60 she is still trying.) :rolleyes:

[Huntertwo]

If you have a brazillian, the riding impact is interesting. Someone I know referred to it as "pu$$y farts" because of the way the air pushes through the nethers without the brush to muffle it.

Never heard of that. I thought it was only when you did it "doggy" style...lol Thats what a errr friend told me. ;)

[JoZ]

She always wanted to "be" Barbie. At close to 60 she is still trying.) :rolleyes:

Barbie IS pretty neat and trim "down there". Perhaps a wee ridge if she isn't taken off the mold skillfully, but basically smooth as a... as a... oh I don't know. Another sad situation in which real woman aspire to a plastic ideal... :no:

[MaresNest]

That's very true. I've always wondered if it is uncomfortable for men to ride at times. You know, an unexpected jostle here or there...


I gave a twentysomething guy his first riding lesson today... He will remember to wear 'protection' next time ;) Poor fella.




Yikes. I re-read that and realize it could be interpreted as very dirty. But you're all horsefolks. You know what I mean!

[ThreeHorseNight]

I believe that the young women who are being "remodeled" for cosmetic reasons have seen too many issues of men's magazines, where everybody's private parts look the same. I think said young women think that's how everyone should look, and there's something wrong with them if they don't look that way. It's like coloring your hair blonde because everyone else does, only a little more extreme. OK, a lot more extreme!

To the OP, good luck with your problem!

[LarkspurCO]

Are these two areas the only ones that sag that far or do I have to plan for a life in which pretty much step on all my body parts every time I lean over?

Imagine the scene. You go to work one day with your shoulder in a sling. Everyone asks you what happened. "Well, you see, I tripped on my pussy going up the stairs and dislocated my shoulder."

Oh....you tripped on your cat?

[Sing Mia Song]

Imagine the scene. You go to work one day with your shoulder in a sling. Everyone asks you what happened. "Well, you see, I tripped on my pussy going up the stairs and dislocated my shoulder."

Oh....you tripped on your cat?

Which reminds me of the time we had a client whose cat had had pneumonia. She came in for a recheck and commented on the follow-up call she had gotten from one of the vets. I thought nothing of it, until she identified said caller as male (we had only women at my practice at that time) and said that they must have gotten cut off, and weren't our vets dedicated working so late at night?

Upon further questioning, it turned out that a man had called her late and night and asked "How's your pu$$y?" to which she responded "Oh, he's doing so much better with the medicine!" :lol::lol::lol:

[Dr 08822]

Greetings to All,

I was forwarded this message by one of my wife's equestrian friends who was familiar with my expertise with this condition. Rest assured that reduction labiaplasty is a safe and effective procedure provided that it is properly performed. The very delicate suture lines take approximately six weeks to heal completely - that means no riding for six weeks. Where to find the "right" doc? Look among gynecologic surgeons with specific experience with this type of surgery. Steer clear of those without experience willing to "give it a go", those who can't provide exact details of what they plan to do, and especially those who tell you it's a simple 15-minute procedure.

I'll reply to any questions or concerns you may have, but privately.

Sincerely,

Marco A. Pelosi, III, MD, FACOG, FACS, FICS, FAACS
mpelosi3@PelosiMedicalCenter.com

[alter pain]

Thanks for your help.

I have heard from more than one person with this problem. Only one had the surgery but several had questions about whether this could be their issue. I of course don't have any idea about this problem in others but I was amazed at the number of women who said that they had experienced this. I hope this at least educates others as to the issue. Thanks again.

[kelliope]

I do know of women in their 60's that have had total re-do's... after their husbands come out of prostrate surgery... impotent. I'm fairly confident that these women are not doing this surgery for cosmetic reasons.

I don't get this - why are they doing it?

[Eventer55]

OMG I hope we made the OP laugh at us and herself. I can't imagine cosmetic Sx for nether regions:eek: Jingles and speedy recovery to the OP!!!!!

I may now sneak into the other room with a mirror. . . errrrr, no I don't think so.

[J Swan]

I don't get this - why are they doing it?

You're kidding, right?

Have we all had our questions answered about this procedure? Because I just took a look at some before and after pictures and now have a completely new perspective on why some men are gay.

Please pass the eye bleach....

[Candle]

Which reminds me of the time we had a client whose cat had had pneumonia. She came in for a recheck and commented on the follow-up call she had gotten from one of the vets. I thought nothing of it, until she identified said caller as male (we had only women at my practice at that time) and said that they must have gotten cut off, and weren't our vets dedicated working so late at night?

Upon further questioning, it turned out that a man had called her late and night and asked "How's your pu$$y?" to which she responded "Oh, he's doing so much better with the medicine!" :lol::lol::lol:

Okay, THAT made me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Who's that girl?]

You're kidding, right?

Have we all had our questions answered about this procedure? Because I just took a look at some before and after pictures and now have a completely new perspective on why some men are gay.

Please pass the eye bleach....

You know, before this thread it never occurred to me to check it out, and I still haven't been moved quite enough to grab the mirror, but I figure its probably kind of like my take on men. They can be quite sexy as a whole, but when they take their drawers off, its not the best looking of items. Well, that also depends on whether its looking like a wrinkly turtleneck or something more inspiring at the time. But really, its much more fun to use than to look at.

Good luck to the OP and all the others who had questions on this topic. Heck, its sure has been educational for the rest of us anyway!

[J Swan]

But really, its much more fun to use than to look at.


Truer words were never spoken. ;)

[2ndyrgal]

my husband reads these threads over my shoulder. The expression on his face is simply priceless. His first question? "Women DO that ?!" His second question? And you guys chat about it on a HORSEY bb???? Next there'll be a thread on weak bladder muscles.

[Eventer55]

Yep, stand by for the next installment of ????????????????? whatever:eek: It's nice to feel like you can ask for advice on things like this. . . it's a sisterhood thing , you wouldn't understand;)

[MistyBlue]

Well, that also depends on whether its looking like a wrinkly turtleneck

I dunno...always reminded me of a snail wearing a combat helmet. :winkgrin:

Agree with J Swan...those photos were not pretty. Even the after photos...it's still just not a pretty piece of anatomy.
Although I can now better understand the pain issue part of having that issue when sitting a trot. :eek:
I went to that doc's site...had to giggle through the comments on cosmetic surgery for the vaginal area of women being something that's been overlooked in the past...and that it may cause women to have social issues. I seriously never even contemplated meeting people out in public and flashing them a toothless pink smile...how the hell does that ruin one's social life?

[EqTrainer]

...flashing them a toothless pink smile...



Well it works for babies!

[VicarageVee]

wow. wow.
I totally get all of this, and wish the best to the OP.
But maybe we should also remember all of those years in which humans rode horses as a primary mode of transportation but had no plastic surgeons!

Was this the original reason for the side saddle?

[Huntertwo]

I dunno...always reminded me of a snail wearing a combat helmet. :winkgrin:

Agree with J Swan...those photos were not pretty. Even the after photos...it's still just not a pretty piece of anatomy.
Although I can now better understand the pain issue part of having that issue when sitting a trot. :eek:
I went to that doc's site...had to giggle through the comments on cosmetic surgery for the vaginal area of women being something that's been overlooked in the past...and that it may cause women to have social issues. I seriously never even contemplated meeting people out in public and flashing them a toothless pink smile...how the hell does that ruin one's social life?

Wait, someone posted photos? :eek:

[Huntertwo]

my husband reads these threads over my shoulder. The expression on his face is simply priceless. His first question? "Women DO that ?!" His second question? And you guys chat about it on a HORSEY bb???? Next there'll be a thread on weak bladder muscles.

Well, I'm glad you brought up weak bladder muscles...sighhh
It sucks getting old, so I'll spare you the gruesome details...lol

My OB/GYN told me they have a procedure were they inject Collagen up into the urethra to "plump" it up, so no leakage occurs.
Yes, I'm considering it...:(

Cripes, I should have added "Depends" on my Secret Santa list...:lol:

[fullmoon fever]

HunterTwo - Sending you a PM. :)

[Sannois]

You're kidding, right?

Have we all had our questions answered about this procedure? Because I just took a look at some before and after pictures and now have a completely new perspective on why some men are gay.

Please pass the eye bleach....

Even the best looking ones Are just plain ugly I have always thought. What men see in it is Beyond me. Ahh well, If its to improve riding it is all worth it!

[Tiempo]

I have nothing but symathy and support for the op, and I hope she finds the relief she needs, but...

This thread is friggin hilaroius..an all time classic!!

This is not really related, but funny nontheless..

A few years ago my 'BFF' in the interest of academic reseach (yeah right!) was convinced there was no such thing as porn for women, I was sure she was wrong, so I went agooglin.

I found one site that promised to provide sexual titilation for women, and buried within was a page where men posted thier 'personal' shots for us to 'enjoy'.

It was about the funniest thing I have ever seen and a disturbing insight into what men think turns women on...

A number of the shots were of flacid male genitalia, clealy self taken while on the potty.

Picture it (if you're bold enough) fat, white, hairy bellies in the foreground, tea and 2 sugars in the middle ground...and hairy ankles bunched around with tighty wighties in the background, all framed by white plastic/porcelain toilet seats.

With comments attached along the line of "enjoy ladies' or...'for your pleasure ladies"

I all but gave up on the not-so-fairer sex that woebegone day :winkgrin:

A sick part of me wished I'd bookmarked it to share with girlfriends for giggles, but in my horror I didn't and I haven't been able to find it since...but I swear it was there!!!

[jetsmom]

What men see in it is Beyond me. Ahh well, If its to improve riding it is all worth it!

If men can "see in it" you may have 2 problems...

#1- Not being selective enough to limit it to one man...(which might actually be the reason they can see "in it":D)

2)A definite need for the "rejuvenation" procedure that involves a little tightening...:D

[fullmoon fever]

If men can "see in it" you may have 2 problems...

#1- Not being selective enough to limit it to one man...(which might actually be the reason they can see "in it":D)

2)A definite need for the "rejuvenation" procedure that involves a little tightening...:D

As far as #1 goes: the number of "users" doesn't really have a huge bearing;

and #2: rejuvenation is normally done after having children, not multiple partners.

Your mileage may vary!

[jetsmom]

As far as #1 goes: the number of "users" doesn't really have a huge bearing;

and #2: rejuvenation is normally done after having children, not multiple partners.

Your mileage may vary!

Ohhh....don't try to ruin my fun with FACTS!!!!;););)

[username]

for the record, I work in a hospital and my associates and I spent a fair amount of time rolling on the floor in tearswhile reading this! also, in some other stuff, since we aging ladies "of the night" all share the weak bladder muscle problems!

btw, thank you, Dr Marco, for your serious and very helpful offering! this is a real concern and your comments were very appropriate.

I come from a time when divorce was whispered about in corners and I love the fact that my daughters can speak frankly about formerly forbidden topics such as this one. women who have knowledge also have the power to protect themselves. as much as we laugh about this and send hugs and support to the OP we must all realize how much information is being shared and how painless it all is in the guise of "gal humor".

thank you all. I love being a girl with girls like you around!

[fullmoon fever]

Ohhh....don't try to ruin my fun with FACTS!!!!;););)

Okay...:D


Not being selective enough to limit it to one man...(which might actually be the reason they can see "in it")

Maybe I misunderstood you and didn't read "one man" AT A TIME... (Now thinking about that could put things in a whole new light!) :D

[pony grandma]

Your mileage may vary!

Let me state here that if I ever become terminal that my make-a-wish is going to be a night out on the town with you ladies!! ;)

[J Swan]

Let me state here that if I ever become terminal that my make-a-wish is going to be a night out on the town with you ladies!! ;)


Okey Dokey - Remind us to bring our mirrors!

[Huntertwo]

Even the best looking ones Are just plain ugly I have always thought. What men see in it is Beyond me.

They just want to see what they're *getting into* :lol::lol::lol:

[REINRIDER]

After spending several hours laughing my arse off at my crazy brother last night until my stomach muscles hurt, I read this thread!

Best wishes to the OP but my god! Spewed the keyboard, monitor with mountain dew out the nose! Tears are rolling, belly's hurtin! Stick a fork in me and turn me over cuz I'm done! I have laughed so much since being on COTH, no wonder it's addictive!

My male coworker at the desk behind me had to come over to read too, just to see what the heck was so funny! I sure as heck couldn't explain it! Couldn't stop laughing long enough! pu$$y farts! screamming with laughter!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

[dizzywriter]

pu$$y farts! screamming with laughter!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Luckily, pu$$y farts don't make any noise.
But they sure do tickle.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

This thread reminds me how tolerant the moderators can be. Thanks, guys.

[Ellie K]

they can't close it, it's HR-- hoohoo related.

I'm glad the OP has a good sense of humour about this and hope you get a good result, it sounds like a pretty simple surgery.

This thread is hilarious, reminds me of a little ditty my uni roomie used to sing to make me scream. But I won't go there...

[Orn1218]

I just read that Tyra Banks is dedicating an entire show to learning about the vagina on Monday, November the 5th. :eek::eek:

[username]

been looking for this one all day...this was from one of our plastic surgeons, a gal, who shared it around. seems very appropriate to share it here and now...

a woman told her plastic surgeon that she wanted her vaginal lips reduced in size because they were too floppy and loose. out of embarassment, she insisted that the surgery be kept a secret. the surgeon agreed. awakening from anesthesia after the operation, she found 3 roses placed carefully beside her on the bed. outraged, she immediately called for the surgeon "I thought I told you not to tell anyone?!" the surgeon told her he had honored her wish for confidentiality and that one of the roses was from him "I felt sad for you because you went through this all by yourself". the second was from a surgical nurse who had had the same procedure done and empathized. "and what about the third rose?" the patient asked. "oh, that's from the guy upstairs on our burn unit. he wanted to thank you for his new ears!"

[dizzywriter]

I guess those would be floppy ears...

[dizzywriter]

This thread reminds me how tolerant the moderators can be. Thanks, guys.

Its very horse related. Pu$$y farts only happen during riding. Sitting trot and canter to be specific.

[Sannois]

If men can "see in it" you may have 2 problems...

#1- Not being selective enough to limit it to one man...(which might actually be the reason they can see "in it":D)

2)A definite need for the "rejuvenation" procedure that involves a little tightening...:D

I guess I worded that wrong. Or I am not overly funny! :no:

[citydog]

What's hilarious to me are teenaged girls getting it "prettied up" as purely cosmetic surgery.)

I don't find it hilarious, I find it terribly, terribly sad that there are women who have such a narrowly defined notion of what they are "supposed" to look like that they risk all sorts of complications and even death (a very real risk albeit generally small) from surgery.

And at some point, as with pubic hairstyles and ginormous, *obviously* fake breasts, the pendulum will swing (har har) the other way, and the Barbie crotch won't be the "fashionable" one, and we'll have a thread or two on here asking about how long it was before anyone could ride after they got their labial extensions.


LOL...hey I got one. I've seen it. I don't have any portraits of it hanging in the house. :winkgrin:

:lol: Right, but somewhere between between self loathing and commissioned portrait over the mantel/pics in your wallet is a healthy middle ground of general acceptance.

Back in the 80s there was a coloring book (http://www.amazon.com/Cunt-Coloring-Book-Tee-Corinne/dp/0867193719) of line drawings of female genitalia that was initially intended for sex education classes to illustrate the incredible variety of female parts, so women could see the wide spectrum that is "normal" and lose some of the shame and embarrassment many felt (and I'm sure even many reading this thread still do feel) about their parts. It's too bad that by culturally embracing a popular notion of what a "beautiful" crotch looks like we are actually manufacturing yet another reason for low self-esteem for women. I shudder to think of the teenaged girls who are fretting over the fact that they don't have a pu$$y "worthy" of a spread shot in a 2007 issue of Penthouse to the point where it affects their sense of self worth and/or enjoyment of sex. My God, what a pointless waste of energy for a completely arbitrary whim of fashion.

Obviously, if one's construction is such that important life stuff *hurts* because of it, then yeah, I hope they avail themselves of the finest medical care money can buy and correct the (in that case) genuine problem. Otherwise, I wish folks would be just be happy that their parts (and/or their partner's parts) are in good working order and appreciate just how inherently beautiful that is in and of itself. </endrant> ;)



Upon further questioning, it turned out that a man had called her late and night and asked "How's your pu$$y?" to which she responded "Oh, he's doing so much better with the medicine!"

:lol:

[Hazelnut]

I don't find it hilarious, I find it terribly, terribly sad that there are women who have such a narrowly defined notion of what they are "supposed" to look like that they risk all sorts of complications and even death (a very real risk albeit generally small) from surgery.

And at some point, as with pubic hairstyles and ginormous, *obviously* fake breasts, the pendulum will swing (har har) the other way, and the Barbie crotch won't be the "fashionable" one, and we'll have a thread or two on here asking about how long it was before anyone could ride after they got their labial extensions.



:lol: Right, but somewhere between between self loathing and commissioned portrait over the mantel/pics in your wallet is a healthy middle ground of general acceptance.

Back in the 80s there was a coloring book (http://www.amazon.com/Cunt-Coloring-Book-Tee-Corinne/dp/0867193719) of line drawings of female genitalia that was initially intended for sex education classes to illustrate the incredible variety of female parts, so women could see the wide spectrum that is "normal" and lose some of the shame and embarrassment many felt (and I'm sure even many reading this thread still do feel) about their parts. It's too bad that by culturally embracing a popular notion of what a "beautiful" crotch looks like we are actually manufacturing yet another reason for low self-esteem for women. I shudder to think of the teenaged girls who are fretting over the fact that they don't have a pu$$y "worthy" of a spread shot in a 2007 issue of Penthouse to the point where it affects their sense of self worth and/or enjoyment of sex. My God, what a pointless waste of energy for a completely arbitrary whim of fashion.

Obviously, if one's construction is such that important life stuff *hurts* because of it, then yeah, I hope they avail themselves of the finest medical care money can buy and correct the (in that case) genuine problem. Otherwise, I wish folks would be just be happy that their parts (and/or their partner's parts) are in good working order and appreciate just how inherently beautiful that is in and of itself. </endrant> ;)




:lol:

Well spoken. We really do need to be comfortable in our own skin and pass that comfort along.

[arktos19]

been looking for this one all day...this was from one of our plastic surgeons, a gal, who shared it around. seems very appropriate to share it here and now...

a woman told her plastic surgeon that she wanted her vaginal lips reduced in size because they were too floppy and loose. out of embarassment, she insisted that the surgery be kept a secret. the surgeon agreed. awakening from anesthesia after the operation, she found 3 roses placed carefully beside her on the bed. outraged, she immediately called for the surgeon "I thought I told you not to tell anyone?!" the surgeon told her he had honored her wish for confidentiality and that one of the roses was from him "I felt sad for you because you went through this all by yourself". the second was from a surgical nurse who had had the same procedure done and empathized. "and what about the third rose?" the patient asked. "oh, that's from the guy upstairs on our burn unit. he wanted to thank you for his new ears!"

Okay, just spewed on the monitor again!!! Thanks! :D:D:D

[alter pain]

I have heard from several women on this board who have the same problem. Mine is definitely NOT a cosmetic issue but a real pain issue that only got worse with age. I spent years thinking that I just wasn't sitting correctly, didn't have the right saddle or breeches. I was embarrassed to ask my trainer about it and I got so bad that now any clothing is really uncomfortable.

I waited until I could hardly walk and was doing barn chores in a nightgown before I sought help. One woman said that she had the surgery after her third child and that it was a great relief but that she was irritated with her GYN for not telling her sooner that something could be done. If it weren't for the internet I would not know now that there was a solution.

To quote my husband, "If there's no sex it's ho hum but if you can't sit the trot it's a major medical emergency!!!!! "

One poster speculated that this might be the reason for side saddle. I suspect that it's also the reason many older women sit around in a robe and slippers and don't go out because it's just too uncomfortable.

I really don't mind the humor. At least this thread wasn't about Anky falling off her horse at a PP clinic riding a horse with a funny rope halter and side reins while debating classic vs. rolkur after a GM/Lisa critique of their breeches and boots.

[annikak]

You are VERY cool and have a GREAT attitude!

May the surgery be soon and you be back to sitting that trot (a medical emergency) and the other thing your DH mentioned...well, that helps everything!:eek:

Good Luck!

[mbd]

At least this thread wasn't about Anky falling off her horse at a PP clinic riding a horse with a funny rope halter and side reins while debating classic vs. rolkur after a GM/Lisa critique of their breeches and boots.

Hey, you gotta admit, THIS is a subject most of us just never expected to show up on COTH! But I have enjoyed your attitude and bravery in getting help, going public to help others, and wish you a speedy, uneventful recovery.

Did you tell your husband it's all about priorities, baby! :winkgrin: Although he may not quite see the same priorities ....

Again, good luck and thank you for the information and chuckles along the way!

ps -- there's probably more than one other woman with the same problem reading this thread and going 'thank god! it's not just me!'.

[J Swan]

she was irritated with her GYN for not telling her sooner that something could be done. If it weren't for the internet I would not know now that there was a solution.

You have a good point. I suffered with debilitating back pain - to the point where I was living on drugs and could not dress myself and was pretty much confined to the house. I saw ortho after ortho who just prescribed drugs and PT. Never did anything else and said - oh - just don't ride anymore. Finally went to my GP for something unrelated and talked about my back pain - he said - hey - didn't your dr ever get an MRI? I said no - they just gave me drugs. So - he prescribed the MRI - and there was no way PT and drugs was going to fix my back.

2 weeks later I had a minor back surgery and have been riding and hunting and running the farm every since.

I admit I was upset at having lost years of having an active life just because a doctor never thought - hey - maybe an MRI will reveal the problem. :mad::rolleyes: Guess I should be thankful it wasn't cancer....


I'm glad you can laugh about this thread - humor is the best medicine! Hope you're back in the saddle soon - and I also hope your husband is equally happy with the outcome (just trying to be sensitive to his needs as well! ;))

[Thomas_1]

Heck I thought I'd stumbled across a porn site by mistake! This is one of the most bizarre questions I've ever seen and the thread contains some of the most hilarious comments but this one really took some beating!

I guess tatooing it so it looks like a bassett hound with long ears is out of the question?????;)
:lol::lol::lol:

Puts a whole new meaning on "saddle flaps"

[Candle]

I'm going to try to be as discreet as I can with this comment, but I do have such a hard time figuring out how any part of my body that causes such happy times can be classified as 'ugly' or 'unattractive'. ;) JMHO.

[criss]

Geesh, OP, if your husband was so upset about no sex, maybe he should have devoted some time to finding out if there was a solution, instead of being pissy because you didn't want to endure physical pain for his pleasure? :rolleyes: I mean, I guess I shouldn't jump to conclusions, but it sounds like he is mostly worried about himself, not you, and as such I don't see why you shouldn't do likewise and only worry about what you want to worry about. ;)

It sounds like a no-brainer to me, insofar as it's apparently a relatively simple surgery that could solve a relatively awful problem for you, assuming you have a good doc of course.

Every once in a while I get a rub there if things are layered or wrinkled wrong, and yikes, I cannot imagine enduring that constantly! I would be requesting surgery, like, yesterday!

[pony grandma]

Every once in a while I get a rub there if things are layered or wrinkled wrong, and yikes, I cannot imagine enduring that constantly! I would be requesting surgery, like, yesterday!

Yep, like a tampon string burn. TMI for the men. But I am sure that one of them can speak up and start a whole new thread of chuckles for us. I don't know where they tuck them, at least we have a place to put the string. ;)

[criss]

Well, PG (in this R-rated thread...:winkgrin:), what I've had explained to me is that men's bits are higher than we think. As in, they are hung on the front of the pubic arch, not right under like our bits. So a nice snug pair of undies can keep everything up front, and prevent it getting sat on. Not so much for us, you know? My fiance occasionally has to take a walk break because he's lost his balance and something has gotten pinched, but it's getting rarer the longer he rides.

I don't have an explanation for men on saddle broncs, though. :confused:

[fullmoon fever]

I don't have an explanation for men on saddle broncs, though. :confused:

I used to work the chutes at a small rodeo. The bronc & bull riders used to take a long piece of foam and put in from the front to the back, tucking everything under our of the way and hoping the foam would cushion everything.

This was a long while back and I'm sure they have come up with better solutions, but guys did do something to make sure they were able to ride to the whistle without doubling over in tears. :)

[username]

Dear OP, I doubt very much that any of us mean to cause distress with our varied reactions to your plight. As a night er/trauma nurse for over forty years I have seen it all and held more hands (or sobbing shoulders) than most anyone else would ever want to. Sometimes the best support is just to be there. And as for humor, you have never lived until you've heard the cracks that go on when a group of us are de-stressing after a code situation. People who don't care simply don't get involved. People only respond when something truly matters.

I, for one, applaud your candor and admire your willingness to ask difficult questions. As a member of the Sisterhood of Woman Riders, I am glad the topic has provoked such consideration and suspect that you will have enabled and encouraged other women to search for real answers to their real problems. No one is alone and very few physical issues are specific to only one person. On behalf of lady riders everywhere I thank you and offer loving wishes for your coming proceedure and hope for a speedy and satisfactory recovery.

[411]

Geesh, OP, if your husband was so upset about no sex, maybe he should have devoted some time to finding out if there was a solution, instead of being pissy because you didn't want to endure physical pain for his pleasure? :rolleyes:
I have a feeling her husband was just trying to make light of a painful situation. That's exactly the kind of thing my husband would say and he's not selfish or only concerned about himself...

If my hoo-ha was causing me pain, I wouldn't hesitate to get it taken care of. I would make sure to find a doctor who specialized in this type of surgery as the Dr. who posted suggested you do. Best wishes for a successful surgery and speedy recovery!

[jilltx]

You know you have vulvodynia when your vagina can't meet its deadline and/or always wants to go to Krispy Kreme.:D

(Please tell me we have some former Sex and the City watchers here.)

Absofreakinglutely. :)

To the OP, I hope your surgery is a success.

[Longspot]

To the OP: I wish you the very best with your surgery and recovery!

As far as "getting to know your fellow horsewomen" goes, I was once at a women's health conference and accidentally wandered into a pelvic examination workshop. Talk about edumacational. :eek: Long story short, I learned a lot about the doctor's perspective in exams and attendees got to it with speculums, flashlights, and mirrors. (It was weird, but also really cool.)

The next day, I was bringing a saddle out of the tack room and ran into a new boarder who had just gotten her horse off the trailer.

"Oh, is that a Crosby?" she asked.

"Yeah...wait, you look familiar!"

[pregnant pause]

"Oh...."

"Oh, I saw your..."

[awkward pause]

"Have a good ride!"

"Yep! See ya!"

:o

[J Swan]

"Oh, I saw your..."

[awkward pause]

"Have a good ride!"

"Yep! See ya!"

:o


Buuuuwwwwwaaaaaaahahahahahahahhahahaha:lol::lol::l ol::lol::lol::lol:

[asb_own_me]

To the OP: I wish you the very best with your surgery and recovery!

As far as "getting to know your fellow horsewomen" goes, I was once at a women's health conference and accidentally wandered into a pelvic examination workshop. Talk about edumacational. :eek: Long story short, I learned a lot about the doctor's perspective in exams and attendees got to it with speculums, flashlights, and mirrors. (It was weird, but also really cool.)

The next day, I was bringing a saddle out of the tack room and ran into a new boarder who had just gotten her horse off the trailer.

"Oh, is that a Crosby?" she asked.

"Yeah...wait, you look familiar!"

[pregnant pause]

"Oh...."

"Oh, I saw your..."

[awkward pause]

"Have a good ride!"

"Yep! See ya!"

:o

OMG :eek::D:lol:

[JanM]

To the OP--do whatever your doctor tells you to do about time before riding or doing anything strenuous after surgery. It will take a lot longer to recover if you have to have the surgery redone or hurt yourself. A lot of the people I've read about with this surgery have a good outcome and minimal pain, but just because it stops hurting doesn't mean you go out and do something that might hurt you. Good Luck.

[Candle]

Dear OP, I doubt very much that any of us mean to cause distress with our varied reactions to your plight. As a night er/trauma nurse for over forty years I have seen it all and held more hands (or sobbing shoulders) than most anyone else would ever want to. Sometimes the best support is just to be there. And as for humor, you have never lived until you've heard the cracks that go on when a group of us are de-stressing after a code situation. People who don't care simply don't get involved. People only respond when something truly matters.

I, for one, applaud your candor and admire your willingness to ask difficult questions. As a member of the Sisterhood of Woman Riders, I am glad the topic has provoked such consideration and suspect that you will have enabled and encouraged other women to search for real answers to their real problems. No one is alone and very few physical issues are specific to only one person. On behalf of lady riders everywhere I thank you and offer loving wishes for your coming proceedure and hope for a speedy and satisfactory recovery.

VERY nicely said :yes: I also send wishes for a speedy recovery and pain-free riding in your future.

P.S. I've never heard a man go "Oh gosh, my ding-dong looks ugly today", so I don't see why we can't think our goody-bits attractive.

[EqTrainer]

Well Candle, my first thought is:

Because women are realistic about their bodies?

OR:

Because men have huge egos and women generally do not?

:lol::lol:

I hear you, I really do. I really do!

[Horsepower]

Thanks for posting this thread. I never knew such a surgery existed. It's a most enlightening topic. I wonder if a lot of people who have the "Inverness" problem have your anatomy. And to the poster who mentioned bladder conditions -- gee can someone start a thread on that too!

[Guin]

A few years ago my 'BFF' in the interest of academic reseach (yeah right!) was convinced there was no such thing as porn for women, I was sure she was wrong, so I went agooglin.
!


Oh, but there IS!!! My stepmom gave me this book for my birthday. It ROCKS! Nothing like a gorgeous guy with a vacuum cleaner and a basket full of laundry. :D

http://www.amazon.com/Women-Cambridge-Womens-Pornography-Cooperative/dp/0811855511/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-1726001-4195646?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194137109&sr=8-1

[jetsmom]

Thanks for posting this thread. I never knew such a surgery existed. It's a most enlightening topic. I wonder if a lot of people who have the "Inverness" problem have your anatomy. And to the poster who mentioned bladder conditions -- gee can someone start a thread on that too!

Saddles with a too-narrow twist gave me the "Inverness problem". Once I sold my Beval Natural and County Stabilizer for an Antares (that has a wider twist), my problem was solved.

[wateryglen]

OK, I don't know what an Inverness problem is......but I'm imagining!:D

I want to make a coupla suggestions.:
Stop riding dressage! WHY do you NEED to only ride one style?!!?? Try something else for awhile. Try a western saddle/style. It's very much like dressage BTW!! If it hurts=don't do it!!! :D

Get a McClelland saddle! Wonderful things for "airing out" that area and keeping it dry! Suggestions for different saddles types are excellent; especially the wide twist suggestions. Pure wool seat savers are BIG helps!

Ride in 2 point or "half" point for awhile or during flareups.

Wear nylon underwear for the slippity-slide factor! Cotton grips so experiment with whether cotton crotched nylon or pure cotton crotches are best. Cotton can rub. How about a light nylon panty girdle?

Pain can be caused by other things besides pressure. For example, irritation can be caused by the bath soaps you're using, the laundry soap you're using, the talc or powders used in that area (well known irritants! NEVER use before riding, never on a hot day, never when you're sweating), any creams you're using to treat it. Best advice; keep clean & DRY. I suggest you see a dermatologist too. Your weight can be a factor also. Too thin? No "padding"/ too fat? extra pressure!

Vaginal infections (fungal/bacterial) can cause pain/irritation. Are you diabetic? I assume you are having all your issues managed by a gyn? If not, get another one. I recommend 2nd & 3rd opinions BEFORE you get surgery which may not be needed. Is your primary care MD aware of this problem and providing input also? I'm doubtful you actually NEED surgery. I'm doubtful insurance will pay for it. I'm doubtful that it will work anyway. Make sure all your medical issues are dealt with first.

IMHO Most common cause of vulva pain(besides pressure) in middle aged women? = atrophic vaginitis and the cure is.....hormone replacement therapy.(oral or topical cream) Usually accompanied by itching/or burning/irritation, redness. Many think it's a vaginal infection which it isn't. Labia can be irritated by the same things.

Typical nurse! She says...see more doctors!!! :winkgrin: Good luck!

[arnika]

I recommend 2nd & 3rd opinions BEFORE you get surgery which may not be needed. Is your primary care MD aware of this problem and providing input also? I'm doubtful you actually NEED surgery. I'm doubtful insurance will pay for it. I'm doubtful that it will work anyway. Make sure all your medical issues are dealt with first.


I think the OP described in very straightforward terms her problem in her first post. To immediately state that you doubt she needs surgery or that it won't work/insurance won't pay, etc. is ridiculous. Offering alternative thoughts or possibilities is one thing but completely denigrating someone's statements is another. And stating " Stop riding dressage!", "Get a McClelland saddle!"? Please.............sure, instead of actively taking care of the painful medical problem, just totally change your lifestyle.:rolleyes:

And, by the way, you're wrong in your medical assumptions as well.


And to the OP, please take care of this issue in the most apprpriate way and enjoy your return to an active and comfortable lifestyle. My best wishes for a quick recovery.

[wateryglen]

I was just trying to caution the OP to not rush into a surgical solution. We tend to be a quick fix society and sometimes a quick fix is not appropriate, needed or valuable. We go to see doctors that are surgeouns and surprise! Their solutions are surgery!! Gyn SURGEONS!! Orthopedic SURGEONS! s See?!! I alway endorse exhausting the medical options first.

But I will not apologize for my suggestions about changing riding styles/tack etc. They are just suggestions to help her! Most might just be temporary changes to get her well. Too often, IMHO, people are not willing to make changes in their habits to bring about the changes they seek or need. We want it fixed but don't want to do what is needed! We define ourselves as "dressage" riders or hunter jumpers or eventers; instead of just riders. Why can't something from another discipline help us?

A classic example; how many folks post that they have a bad back or bad knees or have weight problems and don't want to go on a diet or do physical therapy or exercises or even stop riding for awhile?!! You have to do what it takes to help solve the problem. Otherwise stop whining!!!!
If it hurts; don't do it!!!

[EqLuvr]

What a compassionate post. Remind me not to go to your hospital.

:confused:

[Sannois]

I was just trying to caution the OP to not rush into a surgical solution. We tend to be a quick fix society and sometimes a quick fix is not appropriate, needed or valuable. We go to see doctors that are surgeouns and surprise! Their solutions are surgery!! Gyn SURGEONS!! Orthopedic SURGEONS! s See?!! I alway endorse exhausting the medical options first.

But I will not apologize for my suggestions about changing riding styles/tack etc. They are just suggestions to help her! Most might just be temporary changes to get her well. Too often, IMHO, people are not willing to make changes in their habits to bring about the changes they seek or need. We want it fixed but don't want to do what is needed! We define ourselves as "dressage" riders or hunter jumpers or eventers; instead of just riders. Why can't something from another discipline help us?

A classic example; how many folks post that they have a bad back or bad knees or have weight problems and don't want to go on a diet or do physical therapy or exercises or even stop riding for awhile?!! You have to do what it takes to help solve the problem. Otherwise stop whining!!!!
If it hurts; don't do it!!!

Do a little research, there are several prominant docs who specialize in this type of repair. and it is REAL Most woman do not have perfect structure, its not perfect. Some of the cases many of these doctors do are extreme and cause pain in everyday wearing clothes and walking.
I am surprised at your flippant response.
OP I hope you are doing well and have found a doc!

[tbtrailrider]

Vagina Monologues?

Yeah, i've heard you can get it done really cheaply in Africa

I fall out of lurkdom just to tell you once again that you have NO CLASS

[tbtrailrider]

"pu$$y farts" aka "queef"

[dizzywriter]

"Queef"? Never heard of it.

But here's a hysterical (pun intended) teaching tool for those unfamiliar with their nethers. Evidently, there is quite a variety in nether design. Though men of my close acquaintance have informed me of this, it's quite different hearing it on national TV.
http://buzzfeed.com/buzz/The_Vulva_Puppet

So, aside from the OPs problem (which I wish her well in solving), Inverness may also arise, at least in part, from our anatomical variety.

[Proud To Be Spotted]

Typical nurse! She says...see more doctors!!! :winkgrin: Good luck!


Im a "typical nurse" Seen enough female anatomy to know it can be a problem for some, and it not that uncommon. Most of use dont look like the women in magazines. Its a "simple" procedure usually done in the office, if they have the set up, or in an outpatient clinic. I would think just due to the area of the problem it would be painful and swollen for a few days.

To the OP, good luck, and if your in the Houston area pm me. I know a couple of doctors that seem to get good results, but I have not seen before and after shots. There patients seem happy tho.

[mommy peanut]

I was just trying to caution the OP to not rush into a surgical solution. We tend to be a quick fix society and sometimes a quick fix is not appropriate, needed or valuable. We go to see doctors that are surgeouns and surprise! Their solutions are surgery!! Gyn SURGEONS!! Orthopedic SURGEONS! s See?!! I alway endorse exhausting the medical options first.

But I will not apologize for my suggestions about changing riding styles/tack etc. They are just suggestions to help her! Most might just be temporary changes to get her well. Too often, IMHO, people are not willing to make changes in their habits to bring about the changes they seek or need. We want it fixed but don't want to do what is needed! We define ourselves as "dressage" riders or hunter jumpers or eventers; instead of just riders. Why can't something from another discipline help us?

A classic example; how many folks post that they have a bad back or bad knees or have weight problems and don't want to go on a diet or do physical therapy or exercises or even stop riding for awhile?!! You have to do what it takes to help solve the problem. Otherwise stop whining!!!!
If it hurts; don't do it!!!


The op stated she's been dealing w/ this issue for quite some time now. I really don't think trying to find a solution to her problem is "rushing" into anything. If anything it sounds as if the op has thought about this & found out as much info as she could, along w/ coming on here for info. Maybe you should read the op's posts(yes all of them) before jumping at her for doing (what YOU think is) the wrong thing. GEESH!!!

[IsolaBella09]

I dont feel as if wateryglen is coming off strong. She is trying to suggest things, not solve the op's problems. That is not her job. She's a nurse, so obviously she has so experience dealing with patients here and there. She's trying to help, which is what nurses do best. I come from a family of doctors, one who is a gynecologist (BTW OP if you're near NH, pm me.) They all suggest medical solutions before jumping into surgery.

And really does everyone know the op's past history with her problem and what she's thinking about doing?

[EqLuvr]

Too often, IMHO, people are not willing to make changes in their habits to bring about the changes they seek or need. We want it fixed but don't want to do what is needed!

...Otherwise stop whining!!!! If it hurts; don't do it!!!

Sorry but, particularly for a health care professional, this sounds tactless, tasteless, judgmental, and condescending.

It always feels really good to sit in judgment of others.

Walk a mile in their moccasins first.

[chism]

LOL well you DID click on it! It isn't like the title wasn't clear on what it was about!

I thought it was about something like a Caslick's so I ignored it until I saw a reference on another thread. It's definitely TMI for me, but I hope the OP is feeling much better soon.

[criss]

Geez, yeah, sooooo unreasonable of the OP to want to live her life! Yeah, I totally think she should give up her choice of activities rather than have a simple surgery that would allow her to get back to those activities. No, wait...

Oh, yeah, and clearly the only reason fat people ever have knee problems is because they're too shiftless to bother dieting.

To paraphrase a poster from another board, you make my rolly-eye muscles tired....

[Bogey2]

"pu$$y farts" aka "queef"



ok....not sure I ever expected to read this sentence on COTH...:eek::lol:

[Catersun]

It always feels really good to sit in judgment of others.

Walk a mile in their moccasins first.

or in this case.. undies..

sorry, I know that was bad... I was really trying to MYOB... but I just couldn't not say that one :wink:

[Catersun]

[QUOTE=criss;2795743

To paraphrase a poster from another board, you make my rolly-eye muscles tired....[/QUOTE]

LOVE THAT!

[SillyHorse]

alter pain, have you had your surgery?

[alter pain]

I'm scheduled for November 30th. I will let you all know how it goes. I am trying to get it done before the end of the year but I had a hard time finding a Doctor close who has experience with this. I had my consult with the surgeon yesterday. I feel good about the surgeon, a woman who has done this on many patients. Thanks for asking. AP

[TBKate]

I'm scheduled for November 30th. I will let you all know how it goes. I am trying to get it done before the end of the year but I had a hard time finding a Doctor close who has experience with this. I had my consult with the surgeon yesterday. I feel good about the surgeon, a woman who has done this on many patients. Thanks for asking. AP

I hope it goes well for you! Please let us know afterwards as your recovery progresses.

[asb_own_me]

I'm scheduled for November 30th. I will let you all know how it goes. I am trying to get it done before the end of the year but I had a hard time finding a Doctor close who has experience with this. I had my consult with the surgeon yesterday. I feel good about the surgeon, a woman who has done this on many patients. Thanks for asking. AP

Good luck. You have a lot of women here who will be thinking of you and sending jingles.

[Tiempo]

I'm scheduled for November 30th. I will let you all know how it goes. I am trying to get it done before the end of the year but I had a hard time finding a Doctor close who has experience with this. I had my consult with the surgeon yesterday. I feel good about the surgeon, a woman who has done this on many patients. Thanks for asking. AP

Jingles for a succesful surgery and a quick recovery...

You're going to be so happy you won't be able to keep from looking at that thing in the mirror :winkgrin:

[Dannie0303]

Jingles Alter Pain!! I can only imagine how tough it must be for you...you're so brave! :)

[alter pain]

I'm fine. Rode several times this week. All is well. I thought it was uncomfortable in healing but not really painful. Riding is already much more comfortable even with a little residual soreness. I am really glad I did this. Feel free to PM me if you have questions.

[Tiempo]

Excellent! I'm glad you're feeling better :)

[cyriz's mom]

Glad it went well! Here's hoping you have many painfree hours in the saddle!!