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Glimmerglass
Oct. 18, 2007, 04:27 PM
Worth looking up on Calracing.com for the replay is the effort today by High Resolve with up at Bay Meadows. See race 1 For 2-yo's albeit a 3 horse field. Not just because of the blowout performance but due to the always sharp as a tack announcer Michael Wrona's comments.

(This was High Resolve's 2nd start, first was 9-14-07 and he won by at least 8+ lengths)

...Baze should've brought a magazine to read as he has nothing else to do ..he could've won by 25 lengths ..

:D

As an aside - and speaking of Bay Meadows - I was looking forward to seeing Indyanne (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/09/SPPCS1TDL.DTL) in the JV Fillies on Breeders' Cup day but she was sidelined until Spring 2008 with an ankle chip. So no BC for this Greg Gilchrist trainee.

Glimmerglass
Jun. 3, 2008, 10:05 AM
As an aside - and speaking of Bay Meadows - I was looking forward to seeing Indyanne (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/09/SPPCS1TDL.DTL) in the JV Fillies on Breeders' Cup day but she was sidelined until Spring 2008 with an ankle chip. So no BC for this Greg Gilchrist trainee.

She's (almost) back!

All eyes on Indyanne in season debut (http://drf.com/news/article/95113.html)


Indyanne, who could be the most exciting horse in Northern California, returns to the races Friday in a 5 1/2-furlong $50,000 optional claimer.

The 3-year-old filly, who has won her two career starts by a combined 16 lengths, had minor ankle surgery last year after winning the Bay Meadows Debutante on Sept.o8.

Trainer Greg Gilchrist originally penciled her in for a similar race on June 22, the last day of the meeting. Friday's race was originally in the condition book for last Sunday, but did not fill. It finally filled for Friday when the distance was shortened from six furlongs.

Friday's race will be Indyanne's first against older rivals.

Gilchrist purchased Indyanne for $375,000 for David and Jill Heerensperger last February.


Hold on to your hats when this bullet leaves the chamber. Imagine that a 3-yr old filly taking on older rivals in her 3rd lifetime race. Go Indy go!

Glimmerglass
Jun. 7, 2008, 07:45 PM
Indyanne with Russ Baze aboard looked brilliant in her return.

This gal will take the big league So. Cal racing by storm this summer!

Glimmerglass
Jul. 11, 2008, 05:23 PM
Indyanne is running tomorrow (Sat July 12) in the Grade 3, $250,000 Azalea for 3-year-old fillies at Calder Racing Course - having been shipped in from California this week. It almost seems like old times with the Lost In the Fog crew, save for Harry and Fog looking down:

SF Chronicle July 11, 2008 "Going east for big races" (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/11/SPS511N7ED.DTL)


The track at Calder hasn't been a problem for Indyanne's trainer, Greg Gilchrist, who has won there with Lost in the Fog, Victorina and High Resolve. But Saturday's race will be only the fourth of Indyanne's career, the second this year after she had a small chip removed from an ankle, and her first outside of the Bay Area.

Indyanne has led every step of her three previous starts, winning by 10, 6 and 7 lengths, but four of her six opponents Saturday also have shown front-running speed. Dancing Allstar, who is based at Hastings Park in Vancouver, British Columbia, has eight wins and two seconds in 10 starts.

"In this particular race it's almost like a Lost in the Fog situation in that your horse has never been behind anybody," Gilchrist said. "But that hasn't been by design; we weren't sending our horse, we were simply faster than the other horses. Believe me, this filly doesn't have to have the lead to win."

Indyanne drew the No. 6 post and will be ridden by Russell Baze.

"The other speed is inside of us," Gilchrist said. "Russell will be able to see what's going on after an eighth of a mile. She went through the shipping with no problem at all, and although I probably would have preferred two starts before this race, she had three workouts and she's fit enough."

From the NTRA/DRF - "Azalea: Indyanne may get tested" (http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=33523)


A daughter of Indian Charlie, Indyanne has never been headed while winning her three starts by an average margin of nearly eight lengths. She figures to get challenged during the early stages of the Azalea, although trainer Greg Gilchrist doesn't seem overly concerned at the prospect.

"She's got a good post; there's no speed outside of her, which will help," said Gilchrist. "We've never had to really get after her in any of her races or test her to see how much is there. I imagine she'll get tested Saturday."

Gilchrist, who trained the sprint champion Lost in the Fog, then paid his filly the highest compliment.

"Off her first three races she's as good a horse, at this point, as any I've trained," he said. "Not just any filly. Any horse."

CALDER RACE COURSE
Saturday July 12, 2008 - Race 7
Estimated Local Post Time: 3:30 PM
Name: Azalea S. Grade: 3
Purse: $250,000
Distance/Restrictions: 6 Furlongs, Dirt, F, 3 Year Olds, STAKES


Post Horse and Jockey/Trainer Odds*
1 Grand Obsession (KY )
Jesus Castanon / Eddie Kenneally 6/1
2 Orinoquia (KY )
Eduardo Nunez / Rodolfo Garcia 6/1
3 Dite Moi (KY )
Elvis Trujillo / Kirk Ziadie 12/1
4 Dancing Allstar (BC )
Mario Gutierrez / Terry Jordan 4/1
5 Freedom Afleet (FL )
Ariel Smith / Henry Collazo 20/1
6 Indyanne (KY )
Russell Baze / Greg Gilchrist 4/5
7 Dubai Majesty (FL )
Manuel Aguilar / Joseph Calascibetta 8/1

Chiniko
Jul. 11, 2008, 09:54 PM
Sort of off topic, but Gilcrest related. What are they doing with the Aleo horses? Running them out or selling?

Toadie's mom
Jul. 12, 2008, 12:31 AM
I think Calder is only on HRTV, not TVG. Do u know? I can only record one and plan to set the DVR to TVG all day.

Glimmerglass
Jul. 13, 2008, 09:52 AM
The race was on HRTV and she looked amazing - living up to full expectations and also Gilchrist's pre-race praise.

BloodHorse 7-12 "Undefeated Indyanne Romps in Azalea" (http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/46110.htm)

Excerpt


David and Jill Heerensperger’s Indyanne remained undefeated with a dominating 9 1/2-length romp in the $250,000 Azalea Stakes (gr. III) July 12, the first of four graded stakes on ‘Summit of Speed’ day at Calder Race Course.

A link to the replay is off the link above on BH. It's worth watching it!

Up next for the California blaze: Saratoga! Grade 1, $250,000 Test Stakes on Aug. 2 which I'll be there :D

miss_critic
Jul. 13, 2008, 11:18 AM
She got a Beyer 108 for her effort. Ran, I think, a full second faster than the boys. Knock out performace. The interview with Gilchrist was touching when asked about Lost In The Fog

Glimmerglass
Aug. 4, 2008, 02:55 PM
Interestingly Indyanne's 1/2 brother might run today at Saratoga in his first effort. Might because he's an AE with the entries so possibly won't get in ...

Aug 4, Saratoga Race 5: Maiden Special Weight ("http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/maidenwatch/archive/2008/08/03/mine-that-peace-for-dancing-beans-in-paradise.aspx"[/url) for 2-yr olds 1 1/16 miles Turf....

Recruit (Stormy Atlantic - Merchant by Silver Ghost), who sold for $190,000 as a yearling, is a half-brother to Grade 3 stakes winner Indyanne.

Glimmerglass
Aug. 11, 2008, 12:33 AM
As cited in the Russell Baze to ride in England thread, as a result of his ban from riding for 4-days with a whip use infraction the projected Indyanne ride at Saratoga.

He'll be banned from Aug. 25-28, although (http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/46523.htm?id=46523)


"I have been told that if I apply to the British Horseracing Board Aug. 11, I may be able to change the dates of my ban which kicks in 11 days from today. I am seeking the advice of my friend and former jockey John Lowe, who is going to help me with what I need to do.

Chiniko
Aug. 12, 2008, 12:49 AM
Their rules might be a bit different than ours in this case to where a rider can appeal, AND can also ride in stakes in which they have first call. The ban really ought not have an effect on whether or not he can ride the filly in a stake

Glimmerglass
Nov. 21, 2008, 10:57 AM
Perhaps one of the more odd coincidences .. my original post in October 17, 2007 highlighted two separate horses - High Resolve and Indyanne - who ran in two very different races in on the same day.

Well it looks like this weekend they might just race against each other. Perhaps more importantly they'll run against older males.

DRF 11-21-08 "Gilchrist waits on decision for his fillies" (http://www.drf.com/news/article/100037.html)


Participation by Greg Gilchrist's 3-year-old fillies Indyanne and High Resolve in Saturday's $75,000 Sausalito Stakes will be a "game-time decision," the trainer said.

High Resolve and Indyanne drew next to each other in posts 4 and 5 for the six-furlong stakes race against six male rivals.

"This is not a practice you want to attempt all the time," Gilchrist said of sending younger fillies into a race against older males.

But he thinks they are two special fillies.

Indyanne has won 5 of 6 starts, including the Grade 3 Azalea at Calder and Grade 3 TCA at Keeneland, which earned her a berth in the Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint. She developed a slight fever, however, and had to scratched from the BC Filly and Mare Sprint.

High Resolve has won 6 of 8 starts, including four stakes.

Neither filly has finished off the board.

"They have nice records. How can you do much better?" Gilchrist asked.

"But they are still 3-year-old fillies running against older horses."

Glimmerglass
Nov. 22, 2008, 06:18 PM
High Resolve scratched but Indyanne is a go up against the older boys! Stay tuned

Glimmerglass
Nov. 22, 2008, 07:36 PM
She kept on battling one boy after another as one would fall by the wayside another would take up the challenge against her. The pace was insane but she held on for 2nd which against older males is damn good!

Glimmerglass
Nov. 24, 2008, 11:46 AM
SF Chronicle 11-22-08 - ''Siren' wins Sausalito Stakes' (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/22/SPFS14A738.DTL)


But with three other confirmed front-runners in the field even after trainer Greg Gilchrist scratched her stablemate High Resolve, Indyanne would have had to have been Wonder Woman to come out with a victory. She didn't miss by much.

Indyanne battled Esperamos, A Cat Named Stripe and Bound to Be MVP down the backstretch of the 6-furlong race as they went the first quarter-mile in 21.37 seconds. She inched away to a 1-length lead on the turn and hit the half-mile marker in 44.23. She remained in front until Siren Lure, who had settled in fifth place early, ran her down inside the sixteenth pole.

The scenario was the same as when Siren Lure ascended to the top echelon of American sprinters in 2006 when he won five of six stakes races, including the Grade 1 Triple Bend Handicap at Hollywood Park.

Indyanne was sold last week:


Last week John Sikura, president of Hill 'n' Dale Farms near Lexington, Ky., purchased Indyanne from David and Jill Heerensperger in a private sale.

Gilchrist wouldn't reveal the selling price, but it probably was at least $1 million, given her excellent prospects as a broodmare.

Glimmerglass
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:54 AM
The news of Indyanne's breakdown in the La Brea Stakes (G1) at Santa Anita Park Dec 27th really broke my heart :(

Her fractured left foreleg sesamoid means the end of her career but at least some glimmer of hope is her longterm survival: (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/racing-news/2008/December/27/Gilchrist-optimistic-about-Indyanne-future.aspx)


“It looks like she is going to be saved,” said Gilchrist, who trains Indyanne for owner John G. Sikura. “The filly fractured the inside sesamoid in her left front leg. The good part is the outside sesamoid is perfect and she tore very few ligaments. We’ve got her in a cast and she is comfortable.”

Indyanne was stabilized with a splint on the track by Santa Anita veterinarian Jill Bailey, D.V.M., and transported to Gilchrist’s barn for further evaluation. She was given a tranquilizer and will undergo surgery in the next three days, Gilchrist said.

Indyanne’s racing career is over, but Gilchrist estimated that Indyanne had a 65% chance to go on to a second career as a broodmare. He also expressed his gratitude to Baze for quickly pulling up Indyanne when he knew something went wrong.

Glimmerglass
Jan. 13, 2009, 06:37 PM
Doing the right thing, despite the sorrow. From her most recent owner John G. Sikura:


“We did everything we could,” Sikura said. “It was unfair to continue treatment in a manner that would have been inhumane to this courageous mare.

“Her condition deteriorated to the point that she could not enjoy a pain free life. A lack of blood supply to the area of the injured limb caused a large wound that did not respond to treatment. Dr. (Larry) Bramlage (of Rood & Riddle Equine Hospital) could not do surgery to stabilize the joint under these circumstances. We did all we could and feel awful about the result.”

BloodHorse 1-13-09 "Fast Filly Indyanne Euthanized " (http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/48776.htm)

A reflection of that amazing power: Calder Race Course July 12, 2008: the Grade 3 Azalea Stakes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2nQPo2wrFs)

:(

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2009, 07:02 PM
:(:(:(

War Admiral
Jan. 13, 2009, 07:07 PM
Godspeed Indyanne. :(

But huge props to her connections, b/c it sounds like they were sensible about it.

TouchstoneAcres
Jan. 13, 2009, 08:28 PM
I was hopeful for her and hated to hear this. But yes, it was the right thing to do.

Blinkers On
Jan. 13, 2009, 08:42 PM
It's entirely possible that not flying her to KY so quickly would have been a good idea or that surgery was a good idea. They could have avoided this on so many levels

Filly85'
Jan. 13, 2009, 09:16 PM
I had been following this horse for her entire career, so I am devastated at her death.:( I first laid my eyes upon her at the Fasig Tipton Calder sale. Her workout at the sale was awesome. I still have the DVD from the sale, so I will upload her workout onto youtube eventually. I tried to convince the connections that I had at the time to buy her, but she had some conformation problem that they didn't like so they passed. Those Indian Charlies are fragile, and Greg Gilchrist did a wonderful job keeping her together for as long as he did. My heart goes out to the connections of the horse, and they did everything in their power to save her. RIP to the fast filly. Say hi to Fog for us on the other side. It's times like these that I question why I love horse racing so much when all it ends up doing is breaking your heart.

CrzyCorgi
Jan. 13, 2009, 09:27 PM
What a shame.... But I agree as well, diffently the right decision...

Godspeed, Indyanne--------Go join all the greats across The Bridge

:cry::cry::cry:

canyonoak
Jan. 13, 2009, 09:41 PM
Godspeed to another great heart.

jolise
Jan. 13, 2009, 11:47 PM
Blinkers On----I agree. I wondered why they flew her to Kentucky after such a traumatic injury. Alamo Pintado is not that far to the north of Santa Anita and I thought that is where she might have ended up. I wonder if doing the surg right away would have made a difference. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. Godspeed to a lovely filly.

bugsynskeeter
Jan. 14, 2009, 12:33 AM
There was way more then simply a fractured sesamoid to this wonderful filly's story. Surgery could have been preformed but was not the best thing for her sake, no matter where it had taken place. Euthanasia was the right choice for her...the humane choice.

Blinkers On
Jan. 14, 2009, 02:25 AM
The humane choice at the time. Surgery, was the humane choice at the time of injury. It is a very good and useful tool. Something that can save lives and limbs. Quality of life. Chino has a pool. Very good surgeons. Short trip on a leg that wasn't as good as advertised.
The flight for Curlin to SA was 11 hours plus a van ride on either end. Kind of alot to ask of a horse with a broken limb. Loading/unloading. Loading on a van, a pallet and off again.
Sometimes erring on the side of caution instead of rushing her to a breeding farm early in the breeding season...

texang73
Jan. 14, 2009, 08:52 AM
Aww, man, that sucks. :( BUt good on them for doing what was right for her. :cry:

Pronzini
Jan. 14, 2009, 08:56 AM
Blinkers On----I agree. I wondered why they flew her to Kentucky after such a traumatic injury. Alamo Pintado is not that far to the north of Santa Anita and I thought that is where she might have ended up. I wonder if doing the surg right away would have made a difference. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. Godspeed to a lovely filly.


Chino would have been the closest to SA--Alamo Pintado is a several hour van ride as would be San Luis Rey Equine.

In the end, I don't feel qualified to second guess these folks. It's not just the facility but the surgeon that they were probably interested in. Perhaps they wanted Bramlage. Who can blame them? He's one of "the guys" in the country for this kind of surgery and horses are flown in all the time for his care.

Pronzini
Jan. 14, 2009, 09:23 AM
The humane choice at the time. Surgery, was the humane choice at the time of injury. It is a very good and useful tool. Something that can save lives and limbs. Quality of life. Chino has a pool. Very good surgeons. Short trip on a leg that wasn't as good as advertised.
The flight for Curlin to SA was 11 hours plus a van ride on either end. Kind of alot to ask of a horse with a broken limb. Loading/unloading. Loading on a van, a pallet and off again.
Sometimes erring on the side of caution instead of rushing her to a breeding farm early in the breeding season...

OK I know I'm being wonky but I couldn't let the 11 hour flight thing go..Curlin arrived in Kentucky at 5 PM EDT. An 11 hour flight from LA means that the plane left at 3 in the morning from LAX. That sounds a little early to me...and 11 hours sounds a little long especially since you are tacking on the van ride on either end.

Besides are you really saying Chino is the same thing as Rood and Riddle? In what universe?

Wouldn't it be nice if the people who actually have to live with the consequences of decisions weren't always second guessed by the Internet? Nah...that's a pipe dream :)

MintHillFarm
Jan. 14, 2009, 09:48 AM
What a shame. I too had thought things would go better for her. I feel terrible for the mare and her connections...

Glimmerglass
Jan. 14, 2009, 11:32 AM
San Francisco Chronicle Jan 13, 2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/13/SP11159LF8.DTL) excerpts with Greg Gilchrists remarks


"There are always repercussions when you do that much damage and a lot of times you don't know for days, weeks or even months," Gilchrist said. "Probably we could have carried on for another month with her, but the percentage of her surviving was very slim. She was losing weight. In everyone's opinion, it was the humane thing to do."

Gilchrist purchased Indyanne for $375,000 in 2007 for original owners David and Jill Heerensperger, and they sold her to Sikura in a private transaction after she won the Grade 3 Thoroughbred Club of America Stakes on Oct. 4 at Keeneland.

"Today is not an easy day for me," Gilchrist said. "You second guess yourself a lot. You try to think what you could have done different, what you could have done or what could you not have done."

Indyanne is the second star Gilchrist trainee to have died in the past three year. Lost in the Fog, who won the Eclipse Award as the nation's champion sprinter in 2005, had to be euthanized the following year after contracting cancer.

"The older you get, the harder it gets," Gilchrist said. "The last couple of horses were two of the best horses I ever trained or probably will train. It is very difficult to deal with, but that's just the dark side of the game."

haligator
Jan. 14, 2009, 05:52 PM
To paraphrase Shelley (1792-1822):

"She has outsoared the shadow of our night"

Such a loss! I feel for Greg Gilchrist.

Hallie I. McEvoy
Racing Dreams, LLC

Blinkers On
Jan. 14, 2009, 09:34 PM
OK I know I'm being wonky but I couldn't let the 11 hour flight thing go..Curlin arrived in Kentucky at 5 PM EDT. An 11 hour flight from LA means that the plane left at 3 in the morning from LAX. That sounds a little early to me...and 11 hours sounds a little long especially since you are tacking on the van ride on either end.

Besides are you really saying Chino is the same thing as Rood and Riddle? In what universe?

Wouldn't it be nice if the people who actually have to live with the consequences of decisions weren't always second guessed by the Internet? Nah...that's a pipe dream :)

Hm. It seems that comprehension is an issue here as are the words you oddly are putting into my mouth.
First, where did I mention Rood and Riddle? I believe I said Chino was close and they have good surgeons. They have a pool and do a fantastic job. I have been nothing but pleased with them. They are a VERY short van ride from where the injury was sustained. No where did I mention that Chino was better than or equal on any level to your highly esteemed clinic. But they do a fine job! And could very well have done the job very well on a filly that was 60/40 to survive? But 60/40 makes her sound to travel? Surely you can open your eyes long enough to do the math. If a horse is on the cusp of euthanasia and life, why not give it every opportunity to survive. Money is surely no object. And an 11 hour flight and van ride, loading and unloading, shifting weight to maintain balance at every turn. Does this seem like the wise choice to you then? and now? I can't see how you possibly could. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do that equation.
And it's fun to be pious and wish that "people who actually have to live with the consequences of decisions weren't always second guessed by the Internet." Facts are I have had to deal with injuries like this. Worse and happily some better. They all had a better outcome that this poor soul. BUT then again the surgical horses had surgery. And didn't fly to KY till they were sound enough to stand up to the rigors of travel. Makes a slight difference in outcome. Might be something to run through your mind. My favorite quote,"for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." True in our dealings with horses and their injuries as well.
Pronzi, I am first hand informed on the Curlin trip. So calculate which ever direction and maybe the wrong direction, but I am not calculating or guessing.

Pronzini
Jan. 14, 2009, 10:50 PM
First, where did I mention Rood and Riddle?

Rood and Riddle was where she was euthanized. Evidently you think her trip was because of greed or something. I prefer to think that John Sikura, as a Kentuckian, was more comfortable with Larry Bramlage and Rood and Riddle as opposed to Chino or some place else and as the owner that's his right. I also suspect neither of us really know but what we think is part of our world view. These are smart people and your version just doesn't make sense to me. I don't think they gained anything breedingwise sending the horse to Kentucky in January as opposed to March (when they were hoping to breed her) so I have to think it was a risk benefit analysis having to do with the doctors they felt comfortable with. Since I don't have a DVM next to my name nor have I been briefed by the vets who am I to criticize them after a very difficult day? I can almost guarantee that if she was insured, a vet here signed off on her and said she was stable to travel.

Anyway poor Indyanne...I feel for both her and her connections today.

Blinkers On
Jan. 14, 2009, 11:18 PM
So she travelled the country to be euthanized.. good times. Pronzi, they could have saved her life. Honestly, I don't think it was greed and a vet might have signed off or not. Either way an insurance company might want the records for their own interpretation. Insurance companies can be fun! They'd love a reason not to pay out.
60/40 isn't "ok to travel." Sorry.
I guess the blaring difference between you and me is that you feel badly for her connections and I don't. Human choices have massive repercussions for our equine friends. Even Greg has said they ought to have tried here for a bit.
I feel sorry for the horse. We are the responsible party in their lives and deaths.
It is very feasible that she would have been bred this year. Regardless of where she spent her recovery time. In 2 to 3 months she could easily stand for breeding and still have a relatively early foal.

Again, where did I criticized a vet? I have the utmost respect for the vets involved!
And I agree, nothing was gained by the ship. In fact a lot was lost.

bugsynskeeter
Jan. 15, 2009, 12:52 AM
First off...there was more damage then simply a fractured sesamoid. The surgery would have done nothing for the further damage done when she broke down on the track. The possibility of laminitis occuring in her off leg was very high. She was splinted on her LF the entire trip, in order to stabilize that leg.


Since I don't have a DVM next to my name nor have I been briefed by the vets who am I to criticize them after a very difficult day?

Exactly. Unless you worked first hand with this filly, you do NOT know exactly what was occuring. The press releases did not tell everything that was going on. This filly was in the best hands until she was euthanized, which was NOT at R&R. Dr Bramlage was simply called in to consult on the case and then preform the surgery should it have been an option.

I feel very sorry to all who were involved with this amazing filly. But please trust me, the right decision was reached, as hard as it was.

Where'sMyWhite
Jan. 15, 2009, 09:02 AM
Pronzi, they could have saved her life.

How do you *know* they could have saved her life? Were you part of the consultations between the owners and medical staff? Have you seen detailed diagnostic information?

The owners made what they felt was the right decision at the time they made it. You don't know if they had left Indyanne in CA if the outcome would have been different.

She was a classy filly who's owners tried to do the right thing for her up to and including the end. Let her rest in peace and stop second guessing her connections.

Lora
Jan. 15, 2009, 09:32 AM
Exactly. Unless you worked first hand with this filly, you do NOT know exactly what was occuring. The press releases did not tell everything that was going on. This filly was in the best hands until she was euthanized, which was NOT at R&R. Dr Bramlage was simply called in to consult on the case and then preform the surgery should it have been an option.

Do you know what was going on?
If you do, can you please tell us.

Thanks,

Lora

Blinkers On
Jan. 15, 2009, 11:00 AM
How do you *know* they could have saved her life? Were you part of the consultations between the owners and medical staff? Have you seen detailed diagnostic information?

The owners made what they felt was the right decision at the time they made it. You don't know if they had left Indyanne in CA if the outcome would have been different.

She was a classy filly who's owners tried to do the right thing for her up to and including the end. Let her rest in peace and stop second guessing her connections.


How do I know that? Because I do. BUT If she is "able" to ship when her chances are 60/40, chances are they could have taken steps, like surgery, to help ensure that survival options were higher. 70/30, 80/20... time to be able to physically handle the rigors of travel. Simple things.
Had she been attended to surgically and given some healing time. She's more than likely be alive. We make choices and there are repercussions. The horse is always on the recieving end on our choices.
I know Greg and do business with the vet group used. I know the vets and how they "roll." Owners/trainers are synonymous with bad decisions about their equine commodity. We have thread after thread proving that.
I don't know that it would have been different had she remained in CA, BUT her chances would have been MUCH higher.
I don't need to see the x ray to have an opinion.. the outcome speaks loudly.And sadly!
Sorry to be a realist. I live this and breathe this. I'm not wrong. Not even remotely. She didn't need to Rest In Peace. She could have rested peacefully as a broodmare.
1+1=2