Please look at this pedigree - Questions

[CelticReinRescue]

Can anyone tell us a little more about the TB's in this guys pedigree?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/johnny+b+quick

His rehabilitation is almost complete and I have to say that he is one of the sweetest and smartest TB's we've had here. He has quickly won many hearts, my 15 Y/0 daughter's especially. :winkgrin:

She's ridden him in the ring and he was a little hot off the start, but paid attention and quickly calmed down - very honest boy and just a lot of fun. He seems to know exactly what he is doing and what he doesn't know, he picks up in record time.

We took him on a ride around the property with my QH gelding and he was such a good boy - a few minor spooks and the TB prance, lol, but overall he was really great.

Thing is though, he is a wicked cribber, which I've been told that Halo was too. He is also prone to cellulitis. I have to say though, we are REALLY enjoying this horse. He is such a love and quite a comedian too!

Besides wondering if his disposition has been 'passed down', I also love learning about different TB's, so any info would be awesome and thanks in advance. :)

Steph

[Lord Helpus]

You might have more success if you posted his name. :)

[VirginiaBred]

LH!!!! :lol:

[CelticReinRescue]

You might have more success if you posted his name. :)

Yeah, I suppose that would be pretty helpful. :lol:

[Rayman421]

His mother's side of the family must've taken over the disposition. John Franks, multiple Eclipse winning breeder, used to talk about how tough the "Halo" horses were to handle and they could be very rank and high strung.

Your boy's sire stands in WVA for a $1000.00 stud fee. He actually is pretty well bred. Did he do anything at the track?

[Acertainsmile]

I was a big fan of Devils Bag... I have a great pic of Woody Stephens leading him out of the paddock!

[CelticReinRescue]

His mother's side of the family must've taken over the disposition. John Franks, multiple Eclipse winning breeder, used to talk about how tough the "Halo" horses were to handle and they could be very rank and high strung.

Your boy's sire stands in WVA for a $1000.00 stud fee. He actually is pretty well bred. Did he do anything at the track?

I've heard that as well about the "Halo" horses, which was why I was wondering. He is such an absolute doll, but he makes the most evil faces and you wouldn't believe that he was as sweet as he is, lol. Feeding time is a trip with him - ohhhhhhh the faces! But, he has never made a wrong move and is truly a big gigantic teddy bear. He will let you mush and love on him forever if you wanted to.

He did nothing on the track - he trained, but that is it. It is apparent that he's been trained decently under saddle at some point - he knows what he's doing and he's got a good head on his shoulders. He can be a little hot off the start, but settles easily and is a really fun ride. My 15 Y/0 is working with him under saddle and they're doing great. She takes him all around the farm as well as doing ring work and I have to say he takes good care of her.

Funny thing is that I had a friend who is very experienced ride him and he acted completely different - high headed, prancy, ears pinned and tail swishing. A few times he tried to lower his head like he was going to let out a buck, but she kept him under control. He popped up in the front twice, not a rear, but a nice pop up. She couldn't understand what I thought was so "nice" about him! I am not kidding, he is an absolute baby with us. My daughter got on him and he was immediately back to his old self. :eek:

[race_run_jump]

I had a broodmare by Nodouble- and all her babies were tremendously athletic and very attractive. A bit on the hotter side, but super cool personalities. She was beautiful - looked quite a bit like the old photos of him.

[cedarbrook]

I have a stallion by Devil's Bag, named Just a Devil, and he has the best pesonality. He is very smart and easy to work with. He gives you a great feeling of confidence when you ride him, very solid under you. I don't know if it was from his sires side or not, but he is probably the nicest horse, both in temperament and in atletic ability, that I have ever owned. I know that a lot of Halo babies get a bad reputation for being "hot", but if my guy is any indication of what he can throw, I know that I would give another one a shot.

[CelticReinRescue]

I have a stallion by Devil's Bag, named Just a Devil, and he has the best pesonality. He is very smart and easy to work with. He gives you a great feeling of confidence when you ride him, very solid under you. I don't know if it was from his sires side or not, but he is probably the nicest horse, both in temperament and in atletic ability, that I have ever owned. I know that a lot of Halo babies get a bad reputation for being "hot", but if my guy is any indication of what he can throw, I know that I would give another one a shot.

This guy is the same way - his personality is the greatest and he's as smart as a whip. We absolutely adore him. :winkgrin:

We pulled him from an auction and he was a bag of bones - once we traced his tattoo and found out his bloodlines, everyone said to watch out because he was out of the Halo line.

I figured once he was re-fed and back in healthy condition, he'd be a handful and a half. Well, he is more like having a very large lovable dog around - I mean, you just really want to spend time with him because he is such a loving goof-ball. He's hysterical and one of the most personable horses we've had here - I honestly can't say enough about him.

Here is a quick video of some of his antics......he also loves to drink from the hose and will pick it up and spray everyone and everything around him every chance he gets, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBBeB9IsJQ

By any chance, does your horse crib? Harlequin does and I heard that many of the Halo horses do - don't know how true it is, but would be interesting to know.

[Cherry]

I will never understand why people want to "label" their horses by trying to find out the dispostion of its ancestors! Every single horse is different--behavior isn't necessarily inherited. And sometimes it gets to be a self-fufilling prophecy too--you expect rank behavior and, sooner or later, you just might get your wish.... :(

Anyway, this horse has a fantastic sport horse pedigree! Barring any injuries it looks like the horse should be very athletic and could probably do anything he set out to do! He's got Herbager, Graustark and Ribot in his background, all horses that are considered "stayers" (horses that do well in races over a mile) and that are found in the pedigrees of Eventers, as is Nasrullah! Nasrullah is also found in the pedigrees of successful Hunters, Jumpers and Dressage horses... Your horse has Turn-To and Tom Fool also which are horses that are found in the pedigrees of successful Eventers.

Keep this horse! :yes: ;)

I have a little TB mare of Northern Dancer lineage. The number of people I have allowed to ride her I could count on one hand. I found that the better the person thought they could ride, the harder my horse fought them! People who were courteous and thoughtful toward my mare had the most success when it came to getting her to work!!! Those that tried to dictate to her nearly ended up in the dirt. Before I got her her previous owner asked another person at the barn to work with her. She tried to force this horse into a dressage "frame" in one day :eek: --needless to say the mare took exception to it, started rearing and nearly dumped the woman.... :yes: :lol: I can understand why the horse acted that way and never held it against her--she has never offered to rear with me, ever.... TBs are very smart creatures and although they can't form words have no problem getting their points across.... :yes: :winkgrin:

For that cribbing you might try putting the horse on a grain balancer pellet and/or adding some magnesium oxide to his diet (an ounce or so a day). I've read that insufficient copper can cause a horse to crib too....

[mambo9]

I have a mare by Devils Bag out of a Pleasant Colony mare- she is 4 years old and is the quietest, calmest, sweetest horse you could ever be around! She is HUGE standing 17.1 hands, but gets that from Pleasant Colony! So, while yes, I too have heard that about Halo offsprings, maybe the meaness has been diluted through the generations!:lol:

Ironically, I owned a horse out of your guys Grandam-Zona Rachel. My horse's name was DJONES- He was by St. Ballado by Zona Rachel. He was an gorgeous animal- standing 16.3 hands-black with a big white blaze! I had to retire him to a home where he would do only flatwork, with occasional jumping as he had numerous racing injuries that had taken there toll on him. But he was an awesome horse with a fantastic disposition!

I agree that many vices are not heriditary or genetic, cribbing for one is not genetically caused, rather is a learned behavior caused by mimic or boredom! It produces endorphins which cause a temporary feeling of euphoria. Its a hard habit to break, but in most cases it can be managible!

Neither of these two horses cribbed or had vices!

[Drvmb1ggl3]

Anyway, this horse has a fantastic sport horse pedigree! Barring any injuries it looks like the horse should be very athletic and could probably do anything he set out to do! He's got Herbager, Graustark and Ribot in his background, all horses that are considered "stayers" (horses that do well in races over a mile) and that are found in the pedigrees of Eventers, as is Nasrullah! Nasrullah is also found in the pedigrees of successful Hunters, Jumpers and Dressage horses...

Nasrullah is found in the pedigrees of most TBs in NA, nay the world, so he is found in the pedigrees of probably more unsuccesful Hunters, Jumpers and Dressage horses than succesful ones.

Just to illustrate how pervasive Nasrullah is in TB bloodlines, I picked the entries from 5 races at randon, from 5 different tracks around North America on Wed.

Bay Meadows, 1st Race, 1 mile, 5 runners..... 5 Nasrullah
Delaware, 4th Race, 5½f, 7 runners............ 7 Nasrullah
Woodbine, 4th Race, 8.5f, 9 runners........... 9 Nasrullah
Suffolk Downs, 6th race, 1m 40yds, 8 runners.... 8 Nasrullah
Santa Anita, 7th race, 6.5f, 12 runners...... 12 Nassrullah

We can take this exercise overseas..
Ireland - Downpatrick, 5th race, 2m2f Chase, 15 runners...... 13 Nasrullah
England - Kemptom, 5th race, 1m4f, 9 runners..... 9 Nasrullah

So from, 7 races, at 7 tracks in 4 different countries at distances from 5.5f to 2m2f, on the flat and over fences, 63 of 65 runners are descended from Nasrullah, many have him multiple times. We had to go to Ireland to find a non-Nasrullah descended horse (which is kinda ironic in that he started his stud career at the National Stud in Kildare).
At this point he is probably in the pedigrees of many QHs and WBs too.

Top Hunters/jumpers/eventers have Nasrullah in the same way they have manes, tails and four legs.