When Farm Owners Attack! (fairly lengthy)

[EnviroGA]

I moved to the area from NY not too long ago, and for the past 6 months, I have been at the same farm. It's nothing fancy: 40 acres, nice fencing, decent facilities (no real barn though have been promised the entire time I've been here that "work will start (insert date here)"). I liked its convenience to a major highway and its location. Anyone that has been to the farm can attest to that.

For sake of typing, we will call the owner "Beth." I fostered a rescue boy at the farm and paid board though she dubbed me "Farm Manager." Whatever that means...I don't know.

When Awle arrived, I was told earlier in the week when he would be there...Saturday at this time. I called Beth and informed her of such. She said she would be home all day - not a problem - she would move her horses to a separate pasture so that Awle could become acquainted with the new territory. I called her that morning, and her phone was disconnected. I called her eleven more times that day just to remind her. Awle arrived, and her horses were still running loose in the pasture, and she was not at home. I had to chase her ill-mannered horses for 45 minutes into another pasture (tried haltering them, but when the mare reared with ears pinned and struck out at me - no siree bob). I was FURIOUS.

A couple of months ago, more things started to go awry, and I started looking for a new place to board. Beth would call me up on my phone frantic and mad as a hornet. I thought something was wrong with my horses. No, that wasn't the reason. Neither was the time when she called me crying due to an emergency (at my work twice, my cell, my home phone) because one of her rescue dogs had ran away.

Before when I first started boarding, I was told that she was an animal rescuer, had a license, etc. I had never been to her house so I couldn't say yes or no. When I paid board, I was told to "call me, and I'll come down and meet you." She told me she had 26 dogs in her house!

Why did she call me ranting and screaming? Because one of her volunteers couldn't make it to an adoption event (?) Okay, um. Wow. Then she goes onto say that this volunteer said she knows the reason why Beth was kicked out of a MAIN animal rescue in the area because she's "psycho." I just sat there on the phone until she got done and said, "sorry, I had to vent. See you later." I was in shock when I got off the phone.

The next "what the heck?" moment was when she, in passing conversation, informed me that she turned in one of her horses and a pony to a horse rescue in the area due to "hard times" and kept her other two (who knows? maybe they were confiscated?) When she found her former pony on the rescue's website she asked if I wanted to adopt a pony. I said, "no." She said, "I'll give you the money, and you can adopt him, but he can stay here. I know that [rescue director] would NEVER adopt him back to me." Before I had a chance to say, "NO" again, she tells her child, "Look, honey, she's going to adopt your pony and you can ride him again!" Yay! cheers from a child, and I firmly said, "I will NOT." That's when she turned from your average psycho to boil-the-rabbits psycho.

No matter where I looked to move the boys, all of the boarding within a one hour radius under $400/month per horse were full.

From then on, I learned to avoid her at all costs, and it was even more astonishing when this person, claiming to be the owner of the property, would talk about having to answer to her "partners" in the farm. *Scratches head* What partners? I asked that and was ignored. When a new riding arena was constructed, the name on the PROPERTY OWNER line for the erosion permit was a company...NOT Beth. Okay so she DOESN'T own the property?

I had to pay board one night, and her phone was disconnected once again. I went up to her house and almost threw up. The house that I thought was an old rundown structure used as a massive dog house was, in fact, hers. If anyone has ever done animal rescue and has come across a neglect situation in which the smell of rancid old urine permeates through the air and stings your nostrils - this was this person's home. There was not a door on the house or anything. I walked around and thought - No, no one can live here - and was then called out through an open window to just leave the money in her box by the back door. Oh my!

I called Animal Control, but nothing was done.

The second time I went there to leave her board $$, I left it on the porch again, but this time I was able to look into the house from cracked windows. It looks like something from Animal Precinct!

Now, I can see why you wouldn't want random people walking around your property, but I had my friend that is a vet go out there to check one of my horses. I informed Beth that the person would be out there via e-mail (and CC'ed a copy to myself). I tried calling...phone was disconnected again. Read receipt was returned stating that my e-mail to Beth had been read. I was out of town.

Danyi, my vet, calls to tell me she was "confronted by a psycho woman" who came storming down the hill from a driveway and went off on Danyi. Danyi attempted to show the psycho woman her paperwork, etc. as to why she was there, and Beth (the psycho) just kept muttering, her land, ALL of the horses were HERS, who are you? When Danyi explained who she was, Beth cut her off mid sentence and said, "MORE of her stories, no doubt!" ('her' being me). Danyi attempted to explain over and over again, and even entertained the idea of "if you want to call the cops, go for it." She even had a print out of the e-mail and the read receipt and told Beth that even she, Danyi, had tried calling her phone number. Danyi said she was terrified at this woman, and, like a light switch, a car pulled up to talk to Beth, and she was sweet as pie.

I have sent her numerous certified letters that come back with her signature, etc. but as soon as you confront her on something, she just says, "MORE LIES!"

I seriously think this person is off her rocker. I have an opening for my boys at a new farm for October 1st, and while I normally WOULD give a 30-days written notice, I fear for my boys now if I do so. I found out from a random person that stopped me when I was out with the boys the other day that Beth tried to sell one of my horses to her. She said she owned all the horses out there and wouldn't mind parting with one or two. She said, "I'm not kidding. I had seen you out here before with them almost every night, and I wondered - okay - who is this personthen?"

I've never been in a situation like this. No, I don't have a signed boarding agreement with this person though have requested "everything in writing" to no avail. (Do you see why I've been looking for a more professional place to board?) I write down every day that I pay her board and write on my ATM receipt what it's for, etc. I can't understand how someone can be so psychotic to someone they do business with. My board is ALWAYS on time, if not early, I have given her extra money for hay...that is never bought. I have confronted her on these issues - always through e-mail (with responses) so I have it all "in writing."

This is why boarders have a bad test in boarding their horses some place.

[Laurierace]

Why the hell are you wasting time typing this post when you should be moving your horse? Seriously, by about the third paragraph you come across as the crazy person for still being there. I don't care if its FREE, get the hell out now!

[katarine]

why are you still there? A rented pasture you have to haul water to makes more sense than this lengthy post does.

People are crazy. Done.

[Louise]

Can you get into the new farm early by paying extra? If you can, do so immediately. If not, try your hardest to find some place that will take you until Oct 1, again, even if it costs you a hefty price. You need to get them out of there.

[Guin]

Go get your horses and tie them to trees in your yard, or the town park, or somewhere. They are in IMMEDIATE danger and you know it!

[jengersnap]

Ditto everyone else! The woman is scary enough, but trying to sell your horses? RUN! Beg, plead, grovel whoever you need to, but get 'em out of that insane woman's reach! At least you didn't tell her you were leaving...whew! Still, I bet it won't be pretty. Don't let anyone tell her where you are going either!

[Alagirl]

As the barn turns.... Good Lord!


park the horses in your back yard for a week!

[JoZ]

I seriously think this person is off her rocker.

Ya think? What was your first clue? What was your 758th clue?

Take your horses today if you can. Have someone come along with you. Alerting the police may not be a bad idea. You are not over-reacting... you are seriously, incredibly UNDER-reacting.

Her name isn't Judy, is it? I had a very similar situation happen to me, minus about 90% of the clues. My first big clue was the call I got, while I sat in the LA airport on a business trip, telling me the BO (who apparently was NOT the owner of the property but a non-paying renter) had been evicted... come and get your horse. My horse was 26yo and really didn't need the drama. This person seemed normal on the surface and only in retrospect did I see some signs (trainers had moved all of their horses out, house full of cats, my horse losing weight that I attributed to his age and "decline"). I took my horse as soon as I could and within two months he had regained all the weight -- I doubt the senior feed I supplied for him at wacko barn had ever been given to him. I kick myself for being blind but this woman on the surface was NOTHING LIKE what you have described. She was lowkey, funny, soft-spoken and rational. I'd like to think that I would have reacted far more quickly faced with a certifiable fruit loop... please, for the sake of your horses, do something NOW!

[Aggie4Bar]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Any Georgia CoTHers have an extra couple stalls or paddock available for the next 9 days???

There's no way I could wait till October 1st. That woman is a psycho. Move the boys when she's not home. Do NOT give notice. Otherwise..... :no: :eek:

[DopyDgz]

I guess it pays to check references on BOs!

[JohnDeere]

Whew I thought wnat I had was bad.

Good luck honey in whatevre you do. It is possible to use horse trailers as temp housing.

[Giddy-up]

If you have no boarding contract, I wouldn't tell "Beth" you are leaving until the trailer is in the driveway & the horses & your stuff is on it. She's nuts & you know it!!

Tha fact that she's trying to sell your horses would have me leaving ASAP. I hope you don't go there one day to find them missing. :no:

I agree it's worth whatever it costs to move your horses prior to Oct 1st if things are as bad as you write. Even if the new barn has to keep them in a paddock 24/7 for the next 10 days until the stalls open I would still feel better than leaving them on "Beth's" farm any second longer.

[Ponyclubrocks]

Why the hell are you wasting time typing this post when you should be moving your horse? Seriously, by about the third paragraph you come across as the crazy person for still being there. I don't care if its FREE, get the hell out now!

Take them anywhere...just get them out. Then maybe do some soul searching to figure out why you would keep yourself in such a crazy situation in the first place?


Good luck to you.

[Sakura]

I see you have met my step-mom.

[citydog]

Yikes.

I would have my horse(s) out of there and in my backyard.

Get them out, *now*.

Beg the new barn to take you early, find a pasture, *something*.

And when you are settled, call animal control again ad again, call the media, get the dogs out of there.

Good luck.

[gieriscm]

Also change your home/cell phone numbers after leaving, whether you decide to go today or on October 1st.

[cholmberg]

Holy purple elephants batman! I agree. LEAVE. Today! Don't give any notice or your horses might just disappear. I am sincerly hoping you have been paying her with a check or money order. . anything but cash. Please tell me you haven't been paying her cash with no contract and no receipts for payment.

Sounds like she's crazier than a sh**house rat. Run, don't walk.

Edited to add: She very well MIGHT sell your horses, she might have the crazy notion that you
GAVE them to her, ESPECIALLY if you have been paying her cash with nothing more than
ATM receipts that you can't prove were for board. I've had someone offer to sell me a horse
they did not own before.

And I concur with others. .. DO NOT tell her you are leaving until all your stuff/horses are loaded, in fact, do it when she's not around and leave her a voice message. Change your numbers. . . and keep your eyes peeled in case she decides to stalk you.

[summerhorse]

Ditto to above.

I would also bring some large guys with me if I knew any. Also your cancelled check for this month's board. If you don't have such then park the trailer down the road, get someone to go with you, load your stuff in the car asap (leave anything cheap or unimportant) and have someone drive that vehicle off and then you and a friend take your horses for a "walk" to "graze" and get them OFF the property asap. Then call whoever is sitting with the trailer to come get you and load them on the right of way. That way you don't have to worry about HER calling the police and saying you stole the horses (get your paperwork that you own them and have that with you too). Because we've seen before how much police know about property rights...

or if there is a place to ride tell her you and your friend are going for a trail ride there for a couple hours, see you tonight. It depends on how fast you can get the horses and your stuff loaded before cops get there.

And then report her over and over until someone does something. You can look up property owners down at the courthouse or tax collector.

[EnviroGA]

As I stated multiple times above, I have contacted every single boarding stable (except for the posh ones I can't afford at $800+/month) regarding moving my horses NOW (NOW being for the past several months). NONE of them have openings right now, and three of them have sold their farm so can't take any boarders.

I'm not sitting here twiddling my thumbs. I have tried for several months trying to find a place to board. The nearest realistic one that has an opening is two and a half hours away from me, and I even considered that one until I found out they knew who Beth was and was actually a volunteer with her rescue.

Don't think I'm not doing anything when there's nothing more I can do unless someone can wave a magic wand and open a place to move my horses or cause other boarders to leave their barns so I can move my horses.

As for people thinking I'm just sitting here complaining and doing nothing, you need to seriously check yourself. Come over to my neck of the woods and try to find an OPEN boarding facility. I have posted on Craigslist, contacted horse rescues, randomly contacted farms in the surrounding area, posted at the feed store, all four large animal vets, passed the word around to my farrier to ask around, asked my farrier if he knew of any, talked to people at work, enlisted the assistance of friends to look around (even non horsey ones), contacted barns listed with the GA Dept of Ag as "emergency farms for disasters," called every farm in the yellow pages of the phone book, all of the boarding farms within a 90 mile radius of me listed on localhorse. Please tell me...what else can I do that I haven't or am not already doing? (P.S. putting them in my backyard - not an option - not even an idealistic option as I live in an HOA neighborhood with a 1/8 acre yard).

Yes, you can check Farm Owner references....but like anything else in the world, someone only gives references to others that they know are good references and are "friends." I checked references.

PAYMENTS:

Also as stated in my original post, I have brought my ATM receipts with me each time I withdrew money (as she preferred no checks because she didn't have a checking account - whatever) and had her SIGN each ATM receipt with it marked "June 2007's board for two horses," etc. So yes, I have all of my receipts.

I also said that she is NOT the landowner as I DID look up with the county tax office who the actual property owner is.

STUFF:

I don't keep ANY inanimate stuff there.

[MySparrow]

Just move. Get out. Don't look back. I have had way too close an association with a very similar person, and it still stings. Go! Go! Go!

[Bluey]

Did you look in the overnight stables directory, to see if someone can take your horse for a few days in one of those?

Did you call vet clinics, to see if they know of someone that would help for a few days?
Some vet clinic employees may...

[marta]

when one of the boarders decided to leave (while i was still there) she had a trailer pull up down the road and then got on her horse as if she were going for a hack, rode him to that trailer, loaded him and RAN!

i gave her 3 weeks notice and thought that was a kind gesture on my part. on the last day there was not an ounce of bedding in my mare's stall. she stood in puddles of urine! (yes the board for that month was paid). i knew what i was facing and worried every day and night. i drove there daily to make sure she was getting some food.

so my advice to you, since your BO seems truly more psychotic than mine was, do NOT give her notice. you don't have a boarding agreement with her. when you're ready to go (whether now or on october 1st) pack your ponies and run.
but if i were you, i'd find a temporary situation for the next 10 days b/c you're clearly dealing w/ an unpredictable lunatic.

[Aggie4Bar]

Don't think I'm not doing anything when there's nothing more I can do unless someone can wave a magic wand and open a place to move my horses or cause other boarders to leave their barns so I can move my horses.Start another thread requesting immediate help. Might work, might not. CoTH is a very resourceful BB, but you'll need to ask Erin first since it could be considered advertising (soliciting temporary board).

You can also call every feed store in the area asking if they have customers who may have extra space for 10 days. Word of mouth is how a lot of people find backyard places to board at. Tack store employees and veterinary clinics could be good resources, too, but I'd try the feed stores first since they deliver to places every day that never show up on boarding radars.

[EnviroGA]

Have already done that:

I have posted on Craigslist, contacted horse rescues, randomly contacted farms in the surrounding area, posted at the feed store, all four large animal vets, passed the word around to my farrier to ask around, asked my farrier if he knew of any, talked to people at work, enlisted the assistance of friends to look around (even non horsey ones), contacted barns listed with the GA Dept of Ag as "emergency farms for disasters," called every farm in the yellow pages of the phone book, all of the boarding farms within a 90 mile radius of me listed on localhorse. Please tell me...what else can I do that I haven't or am not already doing? (P.S. putting them in my backyard - not an option - not even an idealistic option as I live in an HOA neighborhood with a 1/8 acre yard).

[TBKate]

Go ahead and remove any equipment you don't want to lose into your car. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES tell this woman ahead of time that you're moving--you won't see your horses again, most likely. :( You've gotten excellent advice above as to ways to get the horses off the property if you think she'll attack. Definitely have several people (preferably of the big scary variety) with you when you move them.

Best of luck--I've had to sneak my horse out of a psycho BO's farm before, although nothing as bad as you're facing. I'm sure there are some Atl. area COTHers who'd be willing to be backup for you on moveout day.

[jazzrider]

:eek::no: I would start driving around and looking for a small private farm that might have room. Knock on doors. Go to every feed and tack store in a 50 mile radius and search their boards. Ask your feed guy, your hay man, your vet, your farrier if they know of a place. Whatever you do, don' t let her know you're looking.

(Sorry, I posted this before I saw your post above!)

[see u at x]

Geez, with the 20+ dogs in her house, she reminds me of my barn manager. :uhoh: My current barn manager has about 12 dogs in her house, most of which she keeps shut up in spare bedrooms and in the basement.

About a month ago, someone dumped off a puppy at our barn, and one of the boarders wanted to adopt him. Oh, no no no...that wasn't acceptable, because this girl lives in an apartment. No, the dog can't go to an apartment to be crate trained or anything, but he DOES get to stay locked up in a horse stall most of the day and all night. When is IS let out, he runs around all over the place, doesn't listen to commands, freaks the horses out, etc. Plus, the dog sh*t smell from his stall stinks up half the barn, even though someone supposedly cleans it each day. At least they did get his shots done, but he still has fleas pretty badly... :no:

Anyhoo, I'm with everyone else...GET OUT....YESTERDAY, if there is anyway at all to do it. There are a lot of wacky things that one can deal with temporarily, but when someone tries to sell your horse? :eek: F**K NO...I would be terrified that every time I went to the barn, I would find my horse gone. And what summerhorse suggested is a good idea, too. When I left a crazy landlord situation 5 years ago, I made my then boyfriend, who was a deputy, come and help me pack up all my stuff, and within one hour I was outta there. So, not only can they serve as good bodyguards, they can help you move crap, too. ;)

[EnviroGA]

Like I said before, I'm open to any other suggestions other than what I've already done. (Please read my post and my 2nd post) I KNOW I need to move them - that's why I've been TRYING to move them.

The "sad" part about this is the animals she currently has. Around area rescues (generally the animal hoarders) she is seen as a deity or a guardian angel. I have even tried snapping pictures of her house when I've been up there.

As soon as the boys are moved, I will be calling the Dept of Ag, Animal Control, and the Dept of Children and Family Services.

[GE]

As others have said, DO NOT give notice. I boarded at a place where the woman was a nut job. After she gave me a hard time the day I gave notice, I pulled my horse out in the dark that night and never looked back. A friend of mine also boarded there and when she gave notice, the BO stopped feeding her horse. You don't want to have to contend with something like that. If you have ANY paperwork that shows that you own your 2 horses, please keep it with you when you move them. Even a Coggins with your name on it would work.

Make sure that you have your new place lined up for October 1st and have everything in place to get out of there. I have room for your 2 horses in a small pasture for the short but I'm in PA. If I was closer it would be a no brainer. I hope someone comes up with something for you temporarily. GOOD LUCK!!

[Mrs. Smith]

Please tell me...what else can I do that I haven't or am not already doing?

Maybe you can look beyond your 90 mile radius for temporary emergency board. The situation sounds bad and I'd probably be willing to move my horse 500 or 5,000 miles if I could get him out of the situation. Convenience is obviously preferred, but sometimes you have to compromise. Once they are safe, you can find something more convenient to your house.

I wish you luck!

[see u at x]

This was just posted today on Craigslist:

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/grd/427243303.html

[War Admiral]

PM'd you with a couple of ideas. I agree w/ everyone else, you need to get them out of there ASAP!

[Murphy's Mom]

Wishing you the best of luck during all this! As others have stated, do not tell her in advance that you are leaving. Start taking all of your equipment home now so you can make a quick getaway on moving day. Also bring copies of your horses papers so you can prove ownership in case she goes fruitloops when you do move. The idea of "going for a trail ride" is a good one. I used that excuse once when sneaking my horses out at 6 am (scary BO with convict connections starving the horses). It took that woman two days to notice the horses were gone (so much for feeding 2x day!).

Hope you can find a way to move the horses sooner. I hot wired mine into the backyard (rural) of a friend of a friend. They stayed there for a month until I found them a permanent place.

[J Swan]

Is there an equine B&B near you? I'm scrambling trying to think of some place you haven't checked.

The only other thing I can think of is the GA members of this BB helping you out, either personally or referring you to someone they know.

It does sound like this lady's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top - which, unfortunately, isn't that uncommon in "rescue" work.

I share your concern and hope you get them out fast. And when you finally have a place - I'd hook up, drive up, load up, and get outta Dodge. No notice, and bring witnesses. Bring the sheriff if you need to.

An acquaintance once walked her horse to a new barn - because of a similar situation. She had no access to a trailer -so she just grabbed a halter and lead and walked it alongside the road. The nutso farm owner called the police on her - the police showed up at the new barn and said the nutty woman had accused her of horse theft. The lady told them the story, (similar to yours) - and the cops said -yeah - we can tell the lady ain't right in the head.

So they went back to the nutso farm owner and told her they would not intervene. The nutso farm owner ran around screaming a lot - but since we all knew that she was nuts, we'd just smile and nod and go on our way.

Chances are you aren't the only one who knows the lady has a screw loose - they may just not say it out loud.

Best of luck to you - and keep us posted.

[LongLeaf]

Try the listings here:

http://www.stablemates.com/mp.htm

I'm sure if you explained the situation, SOMEONE would have a paddock available for your boys for 10 days. I'd let you bring them to my private farm, but I'm south of Augusta! I know someone in Monroe with a beautiful farm who, I'm sure, would keep them for a week or two. PM me if you need her name.

[philosoraptor]

You need to leave before her farm becomes where the next Animal Cops is filmed. Yikes! If it's as bad as it sounds, if animal control comes, they may try to seize your horse along with her animals.

If the bigger boarding barns, look for private farms. Don't be afraid to drop by local farms that have horses on them and politely ask if they'd take a boarder. Put up "boarding wanted" ads everywhere. Leave your name off if you're worried about crazy BO finding it, but do try the wanted ads. I know it seems like an impossible goal but keep trying. You'll find somewhere.

Good luck to you!

[Ridinwyoming]

My heart goes out to you. I too board at an awful, total dump, crazy person place. I did what you have done - contacted every friend, vet, shoer I could think of. I got desperate and put a wanted ad in the local newspaper. I've gotten two calls already. Found out a lady where I used to board had an opening that she wasn't advertising for. I'm moving my horse this weekend. :D Best of luck!

[Giddy-up]

This was just posted today on Craigslist:

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/grd/427243303.html

Just be careful you are not contacting the barn you are trying to get out of.

[Guin]

Just be careful you are not contacting the barn you are trying to get out of.

YIKES! Yes, be careful about that! :eek:

[Jaegermonster]

She's not a rescuer. She's a hoarder. It is a serious mental health issue. I would call the mental health agency in your area and explain the situation to them, they most likely will at least go out there, and if it's bad enough (and it sounds as though it is) call the police.
But you definitely need to get the hell out ASAP. Even if all you can find is somebody's back lot, get out.

[coloredhorse]

Geez, EnviroGA, I can't imagine! I don't have much space here, but if I were closer I would happily lend you a paddock and run-in for a couple of weeks (I'm near Camden, SC). Good luck; maybe someone nearby seeing this thread will offer a temporary bolt-hole. I'll be thinking good thoughts for you!

[BuddyRoo]

Wondering...just wondering...if some of the local boarding places might let you turn your kids out in an arena/roundpen for a few days? Charge you a daily rate? How 'bout the new place?

No...sweet jesus...don't tell her you're leaving. And you may want to contact the authorities before you show up to move.

No joke, I was assaulted once moving. The hauler warned me that the lady was off her rocker and that she didn't want to go to the property without "the law". She was totally right. I'd only been there 2 weeks...but that was more than enough.

I am so SORRY that you've been stuck. It's very hard moving with horses when you just don't know the lay of the land as it pertains to boarding.

Best wishes to you.

[asb_own_me]

I have read this whole thread in disbelief....and then thought gee, I hope psycho hoarder isn't reading this right now :(

[DMK]

Atlanta is sort of a large amorphous blob, and unfortunately the craig's list "pickens/gordon" county would be a good 3 hour round trip jaunt from my neck of the woods, probably a 5 hour one from EnviroGA (It's up in the TN/NC corner, but around here we are generous as to what we call "Atlanta" - like if it is "north of Macon" we just call it "Atlanta").

EnviroGA, you did not specifically mention stablemates, but I assume you have checked it. If not, www.stablemates.com is your friend (updated 2nd the 4th Friday of each month I think, available in most feed and tack stores).

[SophieGirl23]

Call Pony Clubs that are local to the areas that are convenient to you. They can be an invaluable source of contacts. They tend to know all of the small private places to board or might know of a family with a field or stall.

[J Swan]

Extension agent?

Maybe there is a paddock at a barn that isn't a horse barn - but maybe a dairy, or goat farm, something like that.

[katarine]

http://www.chukkarfarmpoloclub.com/boardingleasing.htm


http://www.horseandmuletrails.com/Ga.htm#Overnight

[RHdobes563]

Also as stated in my original post, I have brought my ATM receipts with me each time I withdrew money (as she preferred no checks because she didn't have a checking account - whatever) and had her SIGN each ATM receipt with it marked "June 2007's board for two horses," etc. So yes, I have all of my receipts.

She didn't NEED a checking account; she could have cashed your checks at a branch of YOUR bank.

[jilltx]

I see you have met my step-mom.

*snort*

I have read this whole thread in disbelief....and then thought gee, I hope psycho hoarder isn't reading this right now :(

I get the impression she doesn't have electricity let alone a computer.

[JanM]

I wish I could help you-and you've been given some good sources. Watch out for yourself as well as your horses. Don't go to the barn alone for any reason, remember people that are paranoid can and will try to hurt you or your horse. You need witnesses and protectors so don't go there for any reason without someone with you. When you pick up your horses take a bunch of people with you, your ownership paperwork, pick up everything that's yours and make tracks out of there as fast as possible. I like the idea about having the horse trailer off her property and walk the horses off, load up and go. Since she seems to act better in front of other people you want a big group with you.

After you leave contact the property owners with a registered letter advising them about what's going on at the property they own, after all they may not actually know what the crazy woman did to their property, and I bet they don't know she's running a business there. Lots of the real estate rental property managers where I live are useless-I know several people that are property owners that were shocked about the condition of their property and the fact that no one ever inspected it.

[equinelaw]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

I am 150 miles from Atlanta. I have several paddocks with good grass and bad fences. If you would like to bring your horses here and some extra fence boards you are welcome to keep them here until Oct 1.

I don't have time to fix the fences, but if you want to get some electric tape and a spend a few hours fixing up a paddock I have a solar charger you can use and I will be happy to feed, water and care for your horses until the new place opens up.

Just PM me if you are desperate.

[JanM]

Equinelaw-what a wonderful thing to do.


EnviroGA--here's your chance to escape-get a trailer, round up a group of people and get moving before something happens to your horses or you.

[Chardavej]

I am at the NC/ SC boarder, I really don't know where you are located in GA, but if you are near the SC boarder and just want a place to keep your babies until Oct 1st I would be willing to put them in a samll padock here and if you want I have 12x12 stalls or if they like each other I have a 24x12 stall they can be in at night. I know that it is a few hours to GA from here, but if you want to drop them off and come get them Oct 1st you can, and you can call any of my boarders they love it here. The horses are all fat and happy. Due to the drought though there is no grass so they all eat hay and grain and supliments.

[shea'smom]

I will be very happy to read that you are out of there safely, what a nightmare.

[Sobriska]

Georgia is a big state. A lot of farm area. Even if your horse winds up a couple hours away until you can find a good place close by, I would get them out NOW!
So very sorry for your situation.
Jingles for a good resolve.

[Stacie]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

I am 150 miles from Atlanta. I have several paddocks with good grass and bad fences. If you would like to bring your horses here and some extra fence boards you are welcome to keep them here until Oct 1.


You are really kind, equinelaw

[goeslikestink]

boy oh boy oh boy--
my thoughts-- i think she been reporcessed asin dont own any of it no more
she might have done yonks ago but the obvous lack of money-- and giving her horses to a rescue--- people just dont do that for no reason unless she had them take away dogs and all

becuase you arnt there you work so you dont really know whats been taken already as the state of home etc

so-- then a matey neighbour tells you she tried to sell your horse

desperate for money-

then your matey vet says -- she was a ranting and raving about this is all mine etc and the horse and get off my property--- um

sounds to me you better get your horses off there fast and not becuase she might sell
but sound to me her place has been brought by a portperty developer and anything ttahs on that prorerty they have brought as assets---

she cant gvie you a baording contract as she dont won the farm and it would surprise me if she taking money unlawfully------------ shes not a whacko she devious there a difference as shes in the s--- t--- your moeny is feeding her

[Petstorejunkie]

you have a PM

[MacknCody]

No advice or suggestions here(I know no one in Georgia...) but massive jingles from NC. :)

[Eventer55]

All of the above and more jingles.

[murphyluv]

wow I was just speechless reading the first post. I hope we hear that some good has come of this thread and a place has been found for the horses until Oct. 1 st!! Mighty good points about either a.) her selling your horses b) animal cops DO actually come and your horses are confiscated as well, or c) property is sold??? and horses are assetts on property, or d) anything else is likely to happen.
Even if you have to drive several hours to drop of your horses for a measly 10 days, it would be WELL worth it in my opinion. Start another thread for GA peeps, you odn't know if all GA people have read this thread.

[FancyFree]

I was in school in Sacramento. I boarded at a very nice facility but it turned out that the BO was schizophrenic. When she wasn't taking her meds she could be a very scary woman. I just got fed up with having to avoid her and worrying about my horse. I loaded up my horse one afternoon and drove home to Southern California. My mom took care of my horse while I wnet back and finished out the year.


As others have said, whatever you do, don't let her have any idea that you're leaving. I knew if I gave my nutjob notice that she would have done something to me or my horse. Sneak out and get your horses safe.

When you're safe, try reporting her again. I feel so sorry for any children or animals in her care.

[SleepyFox]

Ugh! I'm so sorry you're in this situation. Why are there so many crazy horse people out there?? I'm like 4 hours from you - at least -but if you're really, really desperate....

But, as far as ideas... I like J Swan's point about bringing a Sheriff's deputy with you when you leave. Just bringing a lot of "regular" people might put BO on the defensive (think cornered animal). If you bring law enforcement, it should diffuse things or at least be handy to have worst case. :)

Also, in the meantime, maybe you should do some semi-permanent id on your guys? Just in case she does something foolish. Maybe braid a tag into their tails - something she wouldn't notice, but could help you out in the event of a dispute.

Anyway, I hope this resolves quickly and easily for you.

[atr]

What about the local fairgrounds as a stop-gap? What a mess. Poor you.

[glitterless]

Can you quickly compile a list of references and literally canvass the area, looking for a private farm who may take you in? You may come off as a psycho, but you may also find someone kind enough to take your horses in for a few days.

Good luck!

[arizona101]

Maybe I missed it somewhere but where are you located ? I could keep your horses temporarily until you found something else . ( I am in Augusta , Ga ) And I know people around the state that might could put you up ! Good Luck !

[AnotherRound]

You are not over-reacting... you are seriously, incredibly UNDER-reacting.


Don't even think of telling her. She's trying to sell your horses. Get them out. Get all your belongings off the property, too, without telling her. If she asks where your lead ropes are or something or that is, say "What lead ropes. I don't have any lead ropes." Even the day you pull up with a trailer to take the horses, if she says "where are you going" say, no where, just to the state park for a trail ride. We won't be back til after dark".

Don't look back. This kookoopots isn't the owner, and I will bet the real owner doesn't know she's got your horses on the property and is taking money from you.

Put the horses in your own garage for a few days. Good luck.

[chai]

arizona, that is incredibly nice of you.

To the o/p, I hope you will do whatever you have to do to get your horses out asap.


Here's what I would suggest.

Hire a professional van driver to go in and pick up your horses with no notice. Make sure he has proper documentation that the horses are yours and a police escort. Do not get into anything with her on a personal level. It isn't worth it. All you want is to get your horses out safely as soon as possible. Even if you hve to move them far away temporarily, it is better than leaving them in the hands of someone who might sell them out from under you.
Best of luck to you.

[ocydroma]

EnviroGA,

I sent you a PM. I'm south of Atlanta and know a few people with barns in this area. Maybe I can help you out. PLEASE PM me or call (my numbers are in the PM) I'm worried about your horses.

Pam

[Chief2]

I don't know if any of these ideas will work.
Call your vet and see if she will knows of a usually private barn that can temporarily take your horse for you for a while. Horses die, owners have vacant stalls. The vet knows where you are, and knows what her clientel has to offer. Someone may be willing.

Or, if that fails, check to see if there are any private racing stables in the area that have a stall for a temporary housing situation. In both of these cases, riding may be out for a while, but at least you would have a safe home for your horse. Another place to check would be the local churches. Many farm owners do go to church. Run the problem by the ministers. They know who owns farms and might just make a few calls in your behalf. And post some ads (inexpensive) looking for boarding in the area. Use an alias, and don't give out much information. You're just 'looking'. Lastly, bang on doors if you have to. You never know who had a quiet backyard place with just a boarder or two, lost the boarder and just hasn't gotten around to placing the ad yet.

If those fail, and no other ideas materialize, and you have the paperwork that you do indeed own the horse and all receipts show you are in good standing there at the farm, consider calling the Humane Society for help in finding a contact who can help you. These associations usually have private farms on file that they reach out to when they have to place a horse in foster care. You do not want to surrendur the horse, just find a safe haven for it for the immediate future. Once you are out, they will probably go in, or they may just go in and get your horse out as well.

Finally, consider going over to these more expensive places and cutting a work-for-board deal. To find the solution, you are going to have to stop stressing, get creative and get to work. In all cases, once you think you have a place, run it by your vet for confirmation. Good luck with your horse.

[2ndyrgal]

Here's what you do honey, you go knock on doors anywhere that has a fenced in area or an old barn. You tell them about crazy lady, you wave money in front of them and you cry. Really. you contact your local animal shelter for a list of people who do fosters for animal control and you pay whatever it takes and you move your horses. Or you bite the damn bullet, and take your horses to the "posh" place for a couple of weeks. You are NOT trying hard enough. Craiglist my aunt fanny. Find some cow farmer or whatever and get your horses away from miss june bug now. Or find out who the actual property owners are and get her kicked to the curb. She may just be squatting.

[kmp2707]

Maybe it is a good sign that the OP hasn't replied to this thread since yesterday afternoon. I am hoping so.

Another sidenote....OP may want to update their profile to change/eliminate the website listed if that is indeed the website of the farm in question.

[Donkaloosa]

If your horses have to stay in your bedroom until Oct. 1, get out of that nut house now! It scares the hell out of me just reading about that psycho woman. Either sneak the horses out (i.e., going on a trail ride story) or get the sheriff or both. For your safety and your horses' safety, you need to get out of that place NOW!

Donk

[Guin]

Just hoping that you've been able to find a place!

[Gnalli]

you have a pm, EnviroGa

[EnviroGA]

Update:

Thank you for those that offered kind words and assistance. I do not want to give out much information here as someone on this board has reported to the Farm Owner this thread. I took a risk in this happening as it is a public forum.

I just wanted to reassure everyone that everything will be okay.

[beckalexis]

EnvioGA - I know a beautiful boarding facility in Cumming, GA that has stalls available, if you are interested. The board is $575/month and the owner/trainer is VERY knowledgeable and no-drama person. PM me if you would like her website/contact info.

[Aggie4Bar]

I do not want to give out much information here as someone on this board has reported to the Farm Owner this thread. Peachy. :rolleyes:

Good luck. I hope all goes well for you and your boys.

[asb_own_me]

Update:

Thank you for those that offered kind words and assistance. I do not want to give out much information here as someone on this board has reported to the Farm Owner this thread. I took a risk in this happening as it is a public forum.

I just wanted to reassure everyone that everything will be okay.

Jingles..... just jingles. I hope this all works out for you.

And to whoever told the psycho animal hoarder wannabe BM about this thread - shame on you :no: You SUCK.

[drmgncolor]

Update:
I do not want to give out much information here as someone on this board has reported to the Farm Owner this thread. I took a risk in this happening as it is a public forum.


oh snap! but i sooo saw that one coming. jingles from NC!!!

[Guin]

Jingles..... just jingles. I hope this all works out for you.

And to whoever told the psycho animal hoarder wannabe BM about this thread - shame on you :no: You SUCK.

AGREED!

However...I don't think the psycho animal horder is actually the property owner?

[JanM]

I know the places a few hours away don't sound attractive but--if the horses are out of the area for a while the nut job can't track them down for revenge or show up with some phony paperwork and try to get them, or start sending "buyers" to look at "her" horses. Distance might be a good thing for a little while, especially if she finds out where your permanent barn is located.

[Miss-O]

And to whoever told the psycho animal hoarder wannabe BM about this thread - shame on you You SUCK.

I second this. What scum.:no:


To the OP my heart goes out to you and if I were closer you would be more then welcome to stay at my farm.

I had to "rescue" my horse from a terrible boarding situation one time. I had been on vacation and came back to find that the owners had decided to leave and left all the horses locked in the barn with no feed and no water other then what they had in their stalls for about 5 days. I was a teen at the time and called my parents who came right away took my stuff and having no trailer walked my poor weak mare from that terrible place. Got her to my house 5 miles away after a very long slow walk and tied her to the swing set while I called friends to come pick her up.

It's a terrible situation to be in. I thank God that I have my own place for my horses now. Many jingles sent your way I wish you the best.

[marta]

1 week to go. hope you can stay safe.

cannot believe someone from here notified the property owner or hoarder... shame on them

[goeslikestink]

AGREED!

However...I don't think the psycho animal horder is actually the property owner?

seconded

[EnviroGA]

This is a public message to the farm owner and her friends:

Since my horses are no longer on your property as of 2 pm this afternoon, I am more than happy to inform you that the Georgia Dept of Agriculture just notified me that you do NOT, in fact, have a boarding license for your farm. The county in which you live's tax commission office also informed me that you are NOT, indeed, the owner of the property that you are telling everyone is your farm. Various authorities have been notified and will take action immediately due to a number of "practices" you have going on right now so I certainly hope you have your paperwork in order.

I took it upon myself to contact the actual landowner of your farm, and I am certain you will be hearing from him shortly as he did not want to pursue anything until my horses are safe.

I will be more than happy to pass along your name on DNA lists around the State as there is no way any animal should be in your ownership. I will not state your name publically, but I thought I would inform you that photographs have been taken of your "rescue" today by certain government authorities of which they said, "the stench was absolutely unbearable."

You might consider thinking twice about lying to people, stealing money from other persons, as well as barking mad orders at people who, up until 2pm, were basically paying your bills with board money that should not have been yours.

I have also taken the liberty of contacting a person that informed me you tried to sell my two horses, and have a signed statement from this person. I have filed a police report against you as well as a restraining order against you for myself and my horses. Per your words to me in a most recent e-mail communication, "you are too much work." Enjoy all 237 e-mails I forwarded to you in response to "you never sent me anything three times this week!" They are e-mails from before I started boarding to present. Maybe you will see your contradicting pattern and obvious psychotic mood swings (in all professional sense of the phrase).

Have a nice day.

[murphyluv]

NOW we're cooking with gas.
Hot dang.

GOOD JOB Enviro GA!!! Finally! I am glad your horses are safe. Hope they stay that way.

[BuddyRoo]

YOU GO GIRL!!!! Well done. So glad your critters are safe.

And please, do keep us posted after all the dust settles. It would be REALLY nice to hear that the different depts. followed through.

:D

[asb_own_me]

EnviroGA, you are my HERO. You rock!

[citydog]

NOW we're cooking with gas.
Hot dang.


:lol::lol:


Good job, EnviroGA. Glad you're out of there, and would love an update on what happens to the other animals on the property.

[JEN22]

Way to go, girl!!! Now, hopefully, psycho billy cadillac will crawl back under the rock she came out from and never be able to be around another horse again.

In my neck of the woods she would've gotten a good old fashioned ass kicking!!!

Good for you and good luck, not all BO's are psychos!

[arabhorse2]

EnviroGA, I've been following this closely, although I hadn't posted.

Soooo glad to hear that your horses are safe, and you're out of there.

Please keep us updated.

[ddashaq]

So glad that you got your horses out of there!! I hope that psycho gets whatever she has coming to her, which sounds to be quite a lot.

And to whomever ratted out this thread-- YOU SUCK.

[shireluver]

Mess with the bull.......get the horn ;)

[cholmberg]

Great news! I'm glad you got them moved.
Thank Goodness!

[wlrottge]

Holy CRAP!!! Coming to this party late, but... was going to suggest trying Flat Creek down near Hogansville.

SOOOOOOOOO glad to hear that you got out safe and sound!!!

[marta]

Mess with the bull.......get the horn ;)

:))

EnviroGA

so glad your horses are out of there.
i do hope some officials check on this whack job.

good job!

[CelticReinRescue]

I see you have met my step-mom.

Ohhh My GOD! I was thinking the same exact thing about mine when I read your post!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

My sympathies........I have one of those too! :no:

[MaggieMagoo]

I've been following this thread and I hope she gets what she deserves, whether it be criminal or being institutionalized!

Good luck I hope your horses do well with the transition!

~ and I hope whoever told the psyco about this thread gets what is coming to them.

[J Swan]

EnviroGA - I'm so very glad your horses are safe. Best of luck to you.

[Aggie4Bar]

Halleluja!! I'm so glad you and your horses out of there. :) <<<<huge sigh of relief>>>>

[blue&blond]

Woo hoo EnviroGA!!!!

I've been watching this thread (from the west coast), jingling like mad for you. Well done!!!

[arizona101]

Yeah !! Enviroga !!!! You are my hero too ! Give your horses a pat and a carrot from me !!!

[jengersnap]

You did the right things. Huge KUDOS and warmest wishes. Hope your nightmares are over soon.

[Guin]

Yay EnviroGA! I look forward to seeing whack-job on "Animal Cops" in the near future, or possibly "America's Most Wanted."

[MacknCody]

EnviroGA, you are my HERO. You rock!

:lol::lol::D:D DITTO!

[EqLuvr]

Go EnviroGA!!!

Love it when people stand up against crazy/mean for what's right!!!

[Kate66]

EnviroGA, glad your horses are out and safe. I hope that the nutjob gets what is coming to her and that the animals are rescued by someone who actually knows how to rescue - oh, and the kids!!!

[coloredhorse]

EnviroGA, I'm happy to see you and your horses are clear of a dangerous situation! Good for you!

[JanM]

EnviroGA--Good for you. I'm so glad you and your animals are safe.

BUT--I assume the nutjob knows where you live and work--be careful and inform your co-workers about the woman (not specifics just a general warning this woman is not your friend and will be out to confront you). Better a little overcautious now than sorry later.

[hundredacres]

EnviroGA, I'm happy this ended well for you and your horses.

To the person who told the "BO" about this thread - why would you do such a thing? Are you a member of this board? If so, show yourself and explain why you would side with the devil like this?

To the the crazy woman who called hersoelf an animal rescuer and property owner...they have medication for people like you. Get some, you whacko.

[Chief2]

Proud of you, EnviroGa! Hooray! Way to go!
Good job, all the way around!

[Gandolph58]

I have been following this thread too.

So glad you are safe, ;)(happy dance, happy dance);) I had to pull my kids out once without much notice (like 3 hours) so I fell your pain. You rock for helping the poor animals in her care.

To the person who ratted out this thred you sucks big time. Just remember when Karma finally dose come back around it can be a b*%^h. :yes:

[Stacie]

I have filed a police report against you as well as a restraining order against you for myself and my horses.

Woo Hooo. You go girl!
No one should have to worry like you have just because they want a place to keep their horses. I hope it settles down quickly.

[Beasmom]

Cheering for you EnviroGA! Glad you got the horses out of there, and hope the "boil-the-rabbits psycho" (LOVE that!) gets what's coming.

Keep us updated.

Great weeping boils to the monosynaptic boob who "outed" this thread...

[BuddyRoo]

I just keep coming back to read the "public notice" because it ROCKS. Talk about having your ducks in a row! Well done!

[Orn1218]

Standing Ovation!!!!!!! I just love it when someone puts the smack down on a well deserving individual.

[JoZ]

Nice work, EnviroGA... I tip my hat to your perseverance and thoroughness.

[ReeseTheBeast]

I just keep coming back to read the "public notice" because it ROCKS. Talk about having your ducks in a row! Well done!

Standing Ovation!!!!!!! I just love it when someone puts the smack down on a well deserving individual.


Ditto to both of these!

The "public notice" reminded me a lot of something Thomas 1 might write, and as we all know, he is the king of smackdowns. :lol:

Keep kicking ass and taking names, EnviroGA! Show no mercy to these psychos and stalkers. And to the person who 'outed' everything to the "BM," just know that when Karma comes for you, you'll be wishing you could go back in time and take it all back- it'll be that bad. Really.

Enviro, keep us updated on everything, please! And if these creeps even try to keep it up this foolishness and keep trying to cause you problems, tell 'em they'll need to go through me first! (and the rest of us here :yes:)

Hey, I didn't start the [bar]Fight Club in college for nothin'! :winkgrin:

Again, good on you Enviro. Keep bein' a rockstar! :cool: