.

[see u at x]

Waitjustagoshdarnedminute....where was the part about Jesus doing dressage? I need to cut and paste that part and forward it onto my pastor. Maybe then he'll understand why I miss church so much on Sundays in order to take my dressage lessons... :cool:

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Apparently Jesus was some rider. But notice - he wasn't doing Parelli, now, was he? He was doing dressage! I rest my case!

Whoops...wrong thread to post this on...now where is that cut and paste thingie...

[NOMIOMI1]

He rode a donkey while he was here but will come back riding a white warhorse (dont know if its a warmblood). Hmmmm so be humble now for the reward will be great later. Its like a parable an earthly story with a heavenly meaning!

[see u at x]

I could actually believe that Jesus did dressage. I mean, after all, Phoenix First Assembly of God did a human video several years ago to the Christian song "He Is", and at the end of it, "Jesus" came onto the stage riding a BEE-YOO-TEE-FUL white horse that obviously had dressage training. Oh, and to top it all off, the horse was an ARAB!!! :winkgrin:

[jeano]

Oh Geek, I have had to run over here to hide, far away from the trainwreck I started about my Parelli folks next door--here I thought I was poking fairly gentle fun at them and come to find out I am the antichrist for bashing and trashing...speaking of the antichrist, I know for a fact, since I ride her, that the Devil rides a racking mare with a 6 on her forehead, while Jesus surely rides a Gypsy Vanner....having said that, I will go back into hiding because in addition to having No Business Owning a Horse and making fun of PP, I have Even Less Business Posting on the Dressage Forum. But y'all so well read and witty, sometimes I just have to lurk.

[claire]

vesper and DG,

I think the point is (from my viewpoint anyway :winkgrin: )

It isn't about a certain poster playing devil's advocate. Or, even that this poster changes her position (in the same thread). Or, even that this poster does or doesn't make "good points".

It is more about:

-The OP posting a pretty "dramatic" :eek: post about spending "SIX Figures" on Dressage and not getting a "Payoff" because of "Politics".

-MANY posters (with a great deal of experience) took the time to give well thought out "this is reality" replies and helpful suggestions.
INCLUDING a certain poster. :yes:

-After several pages the OP decides to "Go Home" but first she posts saying she "exaggerated the Six Figures and doesn't want any responses to her "Late Night Vent" Thank you Very Much! :(

-Then the certain poster starts calling all the other posters "Jealous Vultures" who have never "Been There" who just "Pile On"
I guess her previous posts on the thread are somehow above her perceived "Jealous Pile On" :confused:

I think the OP needs to start acting her age.

Maybe, thank the posters who took the time to reply.

And the next time she feels like posting a "Late Night Vent"...title the post "This Is A Vent-No Replies Please" :winkgrin:

[Pony Fixer]

From what I've seen so far, this is a classic COTH thread: it goes from someone's midnight crise de coeur to a serious and useful discussion on rider expections to a rant against SLC, with a stop along the way to discuss what kind of rider Jesus would have been if he were doing dressage (should this be a spinoff thread?). I love it! :lol:

Anyway, about contrarians, some of my best friends are contrarians.

OK that 1st paragraph had me rolling. I love a train wreck too!

And for me, it's not the contrarian issue either. I FREQUENTLY play the devil's advocate, even with myself, to try to see as many point on an issue as possible. And I don't even disagree with many of slick's posts.

However, like Eggy, I agree it's not heartfelt. It's showmanship. It's turn this thread into "look at me". The Jesus reference was cute. There is ALWAYS a reference. Gotta look credible, afterall.

And for the record, I don't think everyone is "piling on". I think many people gave many varied and good opinions on the OP. Isn't that what we ask for when we post here?

[Auventera Two]

He rode a donkey while he was here but will come back riding a white warhorse (dont know if its a warmblood). Hmmmm so be humble now for the reward will be great later. Its like a parable an earthly story with a heavenly meaning!

Rock on Jesus. Movin' up the levels.

[Wellspotted]

Hi, YoungFilly--

I don't know you and I only "know" some of the people who have replied to your OP because I've read other posts they've written on other threads.
I haven't read all 12+ pages of this thread, either, so forgive me if I repeat some things other posters have said.
What I wanted to say is (honest question) what exactly have you spent six figures on? Your post got me wondering what on earth do the Florida shows charge as entry fees?
Taking a tip from the accountant in my family, I'd be curious to see an itemized list of your expenses. I'm not trying to be catty or rude here, I'm just frankly curious.
Like I'm curious about your imported horse. Is she a breed that can't be bought here? Was she trained to her current level by a brilliant European trainer, and did you also do lessons with him/her on your mare before bringing her back here to compete?
I'm kinda like the poster who mentioned doing dressage on a QH in a Wintec saddle. Wintec makes 3 styles of dressage saddle that I know of--all different--so depending on what style you like I should think you could buy a Wintec that would suit you and your horse as well as some really pricey leather saddle.
I'm kinda doing my own itemization here: picturing a saddle costing upwards of $2500, a bridle costing around $250-300, bits costing more than $50 each, stirrups costing around $100+, custom made boots, breeches so expensive they don't appear in the tack catalogues I order, maybe a 3-horse slant load gn w/ full LQ, towed to the shows by a diesel dually 4x4 quad cab that gets
-30 miles to the gallon.
The only reason I can figure that showing dressage in Florida would cost so much more than it does here is that we don't have recognized shows here and that they don't last more than one day, thereby not costing us overnight board for our horses or motels for us.
I'm really just being serious and asking honest questions.
My next one is: How exactly are you defining "dressage"?
Only as showing?
To me dressage is about so much more than that, that showing would be my #9 on David Letterman's list of Top Ten Reasons for Doing Dressage.
The payoff would be increased closeness with my horse, which would never actually be a "payoff" because to me a payoff is a sort of final thing, and to me dressage, and closeness with my horse, is (hopefully) ongoing.
Just my thoughts. :)

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Well, I'm not showing this year, and since we haven't done tests in ages, we'd be at first level anyway. In a not very competeitive region in the first place. But between $$ and deadlines, it's just too much for me right now. And, no trailer.

On the other hand, last night I did a perfect halt. Really. I asked Ted to step under himself, and we rode "up" to the halt from the walk. I was flexed and balanced, he was flexed and balanced, and we were square and balanced and retaining energy.

And we quit the lesson right there because chances were we weren't going to repeat that.

So I would add, I am just too obsessive and having waaay too much fun with my obsession to be able to show anyway.

On the other hand, I am always up for Parelli bashing!

[Coreene]

Always beneficial to remember that FEI does not stand for Fairly Easy Indeed. ;)

[GreekDressageQueen]

He rode a donkey while he was here but will come back riding a white warhorse (dont know if its a warmblood). Hmmmm so be humble now for the reward will be great later. Its like a parable an earthly story with a heavenly meaning!

Oh great - I can just see it now - a COTH thread on whether a OTTB or a warmblood should be the choice for Jesus! :lol::lol::lol:

[Vesper Sparrow]

I get your point, Claire and Pony Fixer. Seems like the OP has a habit of posting and then majikally erasing her posts, either literally or figuratively. Which is a waste of time for those who made an effort to give her a serious, considered response.

And "jealous vultures" IS over the top.

vesper and DG,

I think the point is (from my viewpoint anyway :winkgrin: )

It isn't about a certain poster playing devil's advocate. Or, even that this poster changes her position (in the same thread). Or, even that this poster does or doesn't make "good points".

It is more about:

-The OP posting a pretty "dramatic" :eek: post about spending "SIX Figures" on Dressage and not getting a "Payoff" because of "Politics".

-MANY posters (with a great deal of experience) took the time to give well thought out "this is reality" replies and helpful suggestions.
INCLUDING a certain poster. :yes:

-After several pages the OP decides to "Go Home" but first she posts saying she "exaggerated the Six Figures and doesn't want any responses to her "Late Night Vent" Thank you Very Much! :(

-Then the certain poster starts calling all the other posters "Jealous Vultures" who have never "Been There" who just "Pile On"
I guess her previous posts on the thread are somehow above her perceived "Jealous Pile On" :confused:

I think the OP needs to start acting her age.

Maybe, thank the posters who took the time to reply.

And the next time she feels like posting a "Late Night Vent"...title the post "This Is A Vent-No Replies Please" :winkgrin:

[NOMIOMI1]

Oh great - I can just see it now - a COTH thread on whether a OTTB or a warmblood should be the choice for Jesus! :lol::lol::lol:


For some reason I keep thinking of the white horse from Lord of the Rings.LOL

[Mozart]

Always beneficial to remember that FEI does not stand for Fairly Easy Indeed. ;)

It DOESN'T?????
Damn, so much for my goals. Phhht. Cake, anyone?

[Mary in Area 1]

Rather than venting on the COTH, I think YF needs to get the home number for her expensive trainer and call HIM in the middle of the night. He is the one who should be listening to her and answering her questions. If her trainer is telling her that she should be getting high 60's and she's not, then maybe the trainer is the problem. If YF wants honesty from the trainer, and is told that her goals are too lofty too soon, then she needs to accept that.

But usually, at this point, a real DQ would get a new trainer (and probably sell her horse and get a newer, more expensive one.)

[dalpal]

Oh great - I can just see it now - a COTH thread on whether a OTTB or a warmblood should be the choice for Jesus! :lol::lol::lol:


OMG....ROTFLMAO.

Don't forget...which saddle fits Jesus best, a wide twist or a narrow twist and which saddles should he look for that would best suit his OTTB or warmblood's back.....maybe he might even have an arabian (gasp, the horrors)

[dalpal]

It DOESN'T?????
Damn, so much for my goals. Phhht. Cake, anyone?


You guys are going to make me pee in my pants laughing.....thank you, I needed that!

[Somantu]

OMG....ROTFLMAO.

Don't forget...which saddle fits Jesus best, a wide twist or a narrow twist ...

I think wide twist would suit his anatomy best, no?;)

[claire]

But usually, at this point, a real DQ would get a new trainer (and probably sell her horse and get a newer, more expensive one.)

:lol::D:winkgrin:

Hey Mary, Aren't you looking for a Six-Figure horse? ;)

[Vesper Sparrow]

As a TB rider, I'm seriously insulted by the comparison of ass/donkey = OTTB and beautiful white steed/war horse = warmblood. NOT! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Quote:
Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1
He rode a donkey while he was here but will come back riding a white warhorse (dont know if its a warmblood). Hmmmm so be humble now for the reward will be great later. Its like a parable an earthly story with a heavenly meaning!

Oh great - I can just see it now - a COTH thread on whether a OTTB or a warmblood should be the choice for Jesus!

[dalpal]

I think wide twist would suit his anatomy best, no?;)

Okay..NOW you're taking things a wee bit literal, don't you think. ;)

[Cowgirl]

getting in there and doing those tests of different levels is important, and how a person exactly scores is not really as important as just getting it under one's belt. it all depends what the person's goals are. if the person's goal is to collect lower level club awards, then it's really important to show as much as one can at each level, whenever possible. if the rider is trying to progress up the levels, and he has the horse, the money and the time and health to do it, he damned well better do it, before something changes...he needs to get used to the harder tests and find out what he needs to work on, as well as getting through the usual anxiety and nerves. it's not as important to get a really high score or to win awards along the way - it's more important to just do it. this starts to get a little disingenuous as one gets farther up in the fei levels but at this level it's more important to get through it and get the experience.

And this thinking, my dear slc, is the reason we are now going to a qualifying system to move up the levels in 2009. Better hurry up and get your silver next year, YoungFilly!

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Jesus would ride in a TREELESS saddle on an OTTB.

Just my opinion, of course!

[Pony Fixer]

And this thinking, my dear slc, is the reason we are now going to a qualifying system to move up the levels in 2009. Better hurry up and get your silver next year, YoungFilly!

Uh Cowgirl, I just shat myself. QUALIFYING SYSTEM?

[~Freedom~]

Kinda schizophrenic.

That is serious.

[Aggie4Bar]

Oh great - I can just see it now - a COTH thread on whether a OTTB or a warmblood should be the choice for Jesus!That would be pointless. Clearly, the horse is a maximally expressed sabino.

:cool:

[RHdobes563]

Thanks a lot, guys. I now hear a paraphrase of a Carrie Underwood song, someone doing freestyle dressage to "Jesus, Take The Reins." :winkgrin:

I was struck by the difference from this thread's OP to another OP's feelings. Feelings that many people here seem to experience when riding. Here is the thread...

http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=114060

[Sabine]

Jesus would ride in a TREELESS saddle on an OTTB.

Just my opinion, of course!

you forgot of course bitless and barefoot- how else could he possibly...!! *he has wings of course...:)*

[PiaffeDreams]

He rode a donkey while he was here but will come back riding a white warhorse (dont know if its a warmblood)...

I'm betting its a Spanish horse. :winkgrin:

[Speedy]

For some reason I keep thinking of the white horse from Lord of the Rings.LOL

Totally off topic, but since you brought it up! Spellbound was filmed and used as the model for that horse! :)

[Cowgirl]

Uh Cowgirl, I just shat myself. QUALIFYING SYSTEM?

Yep. It's been in the works for a while now. It is how it is done in Europe. You have to qualify to move up to the next level with a certain number of scores at a certain percentage, and there will be some grandfathering in of competition records, medals and so forth.

This was introduced in my region at the new tests symposium that was conducted. It was said that the year of implementation is 2009, but I really haven't seen much written about it and I don't know what committee is developing the system. We have discussed it on other boards (and possibly here) before, and it was discussed in other regions as well.

Don't quote me, but I seem to remember something to the effect that training and first were freebies and the qualifying starts at second level (something like that). So you could essentially start competing at either 1st/4 or 2nd/1 (I don't exactly remember), if you don't qualify to ride a higher level with past scores.

The main complaint that generated the cry for such a system is that riders were not demonstrating that they learned the fundamentals of a level before they moved up to the next level. The dismal failure of allowing the double at third level was cited. And the double at third failure produced the 3x coefficient on the rider. So apparently, the qualifying system is next.

Personally I can't imagine how they can do it in this country. There are areas that do not have enough recognized competitions to make it a level playing field.

[Wellspotted]

Whoa, rileyt! Don't speak for me! :winkgrin:

I'm not jealous of YF. I ride a QH in a synthetic western saddle, both bought locally, and I haven't shown in ... years.

Sure, part of me would love to compete at Grand Prix level on a gaited Morgan, but I don't even have any tall boots and I'm not built for shadbellies and I prefer helmets to top hats.

If anything, I kinda feel for YF missing out on the thrills of doing dressage for love of the horse.

I always kinda pictured Jesus riding on something like a white Friesian--maybe a Percheron? Andalusian? Of course, "war horse" in a Middle Eastern context to me implies something more like an Arabian ... :)

OK--it's book recommendation time (for one of the loveliest horsey passages in literature):
C.S. Lewis -- Miracles, Chapter 16 "Miracles of the New Creation," last paragraph of the chapter.

[YoungFilly]

:)

[Pony Fixer]

Yep. It's been in the works for a while now. It is how it is done in Europe. You have to qualify to move up to the next level with a certain number of scores at a certain percentage, and there will be some grandfathering in of competition records, medals and so forth.


OK, so you need a certain score at the highest test of level to move up to the next level, kinda like you need to do a freestyle. I think that's doable. I was thinking you meant like having to do some separate qualifying thing, making it more bureacratic and expensive. How do they deal with horses that are bought/sold at a certain level--ie, one buys a PSG horse, they wouldn't have to start at 2nd level would they?

[Jealoushe]

Well....

Odette and I had an extremely awesome session (3rd session) with Michael Poulin.

If you think I haven't had some frank discussions, or had fun, I have.

First.

Odette was extremely awesome today, and we had an awesome session today with Michael. As I said on another thread while looking him up, I am extremely jelous of his working students. If I was given that opportunity
(with Odette) at that age I would have loved it beyond belief. I can't imagine the fun those girls have at that house.

Michael asked me what I wanted to work on, and of course I wanted to work on 4h level stuff so I said pirouettes. :winkgrin:

Odette and I worked on... working extended trots and pirouettes. Odette has been dummed down by me starting her at training/first. She is no longer strong enough to do the movements. So we worked on getting her stronger.

I liked it, I didn't like everything I heard, but I think that he truely wants the right things for his students, and even if they are hard to hear, take it!


Maybe its just me, but Ive never had the thought to work on "4th level stuff", or 2, or 3 or whatever. I usually have goals or things like balance, suppleness, straightness, to work on that improve the movements done in exercises. Maybe its just late but that post just read very awkward.

I have to argue, I think Jesus rode a Shetland pony named Merlin.

[AppendixQHLover]

Ahh...to be young and have serious disposable income.

Maybe you need to take some time off from showing. It is a great thing to have ambition to suceed, and get the medals. Now, at what price are you doing this besides financial. I mean really if I had 100K to throw around for showing I would be in the barn(hubby would make me live there).

I use the 3 P's when showing. Practice, Persistance, and Patience. Without those 3 you won't reach your goals.

Oh and my Appendix QH does great for the local levels and regionals in my area. He is a great mover, but I am not shooting for PSG or GP. I just want to have fun doing dressage.

[Dressage Art]

You have to qualify to move up to the next level with a certain number of scores at a certain percentage, and there will be some grandfathering in of competition records, medals and so forth.

To qualify for the USDF Championships you have to have only 2 qualifying scores between 60%-65% depending on the levels. I would assume that the qualifying system to move up the levels would be similar to that: only a few, very achievable scores - that is not a lot to ask for. I would love to see it in place.

[slc2]

I never said one should get really low scores, and move up anyway.

Again, you're twisting around what I said. Completely.

What you are suggesting is ridiculous, I don't believe someone should show at a level they basically aren't prepared for. What I do believe is that someone shouldn't STICK at a level and just sit there, just to win ribbons and awards. The current system allows people to ride at any level and not score particularly well. There are some good things about it, but there are some bad things about it.

Whatever qualification scheme they put in i'm sure will be a very good thing as many people ride at levels where they haven't picked up the basics of the previous level.

I think that choices about what to do with the horse need to be made with the idea of learning more than just stting at a lower level and collecting ribbons, but of course, there has to be a balance between these two things.

I also don't think you can look at one score and decide you can move up. The overall score is not something good to judge when to move up by, but under the qualification system, that's what they will go by. there just isn't any really good way to decide based on anything else other than the overall score. Any other method would provoke huge controversy.

But most coaches look at scores limited by the horse, as very different from those limited by the rider's lacking some fundamental. A simple example. The score for the extended trot is poor with not enough difference from medium trot. Basically correct and even, just not enough. There just are horses that don't have an extended trot. The trainer can feel that if the rider's seat and aids are getting a good score, and the extended trot is not, that this is a limitation of the horse, and not the rider; he may decide to let the rider move up.

A very different situation, the rider is getting poor scores for seat and aids, the horse is unsteady on the bit, the rider is struggling to balance the horse and perform the figures accurately. That is a very different situation than someone just not getting a super score on an extended trot, but sitting well and having the horse more on the aids and more rhythmic and obedient and accurate.

Also quite different is the horse who is just doing tricks at PSG, but is behind the bit, tense, and has no muscle development over the back. I've seen trainers INSIST the student keep the horse at a lower level...and the student go ahead and show at that level, score at the bottom of the class, and brag about it...and need to find a new trainer. Not an obviously bad rider flopping all over, but the horse is just not ready or properly schooled.

So while the current system isn't exactly perfect, it has some checks and balances - mainly a few trainers who refuse to cooperate with students who want to show at too high a level.

What I think will happen with qualification, is that alot of people with very limited horses, or few opportunities to show in their area, will rely more on schooling shows to get used to riding tests.

There are a group of people who just have very limited horses and are never going to score well. They aren't going to be able to move up in the qualification system. There are two reasons people are limited in scoring, one is the rider, the other is the horse.

The powers that be have made a decision. They want to improve the qualities of the rides. That is a good thing. But it has pros and cons. It favors the people with better horses and more professional guidance. It's more in line with developing riders for a team, but it's less in line with having a kind of grass roots dressage where anyone spread around a very large country, can try to do anything they want to do. As with all changes, there are pros and cons to it. The qualification system in Europe meant that qualify of rides is better, but also that a series of club type shows developed more for the more average people

To an extent, though, it depends on the scores they choose to qualify for the next level. If they're very high, they won't be scores an average person on a limited horse can get. If they're lower, it won't restrict the person who needs to get more points out of the horse's movement and natural talent, but is doing ok getting all the 'rider scores' he can, ie, those from accuracy, good seat and aids, rhythm, etc.

[Caroline Weber]

Maybe its just me, but Ive never had the thought to work on "4th level stuff", or 2, or 3 or whatever. I usually have goals or things like balance, suppleness, straightness, to work on that improve the movements done in exercises. Maybe its just late but that post just read very awkward.

It's fairly common at the upper-level clinics I've been to. For example, the last one I audited was one in the FEI Jr/YR clinic series, in this case with George Williams. He would ask the riders if there were specific movements they wanted to work on, and he spend the sessions working towards having the horse forward, supple, and collected enough to be able to work on that movement effectively. He never went straight to working on the movements - a lot of time was spent on various transitions at w/t/c and between gaits with the aim of getting the horse through. Once the horse was really through, they would start working on the pirouettes, or the zig-zag halfpass, or what have you. It was a lovely thing to watch.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

YF, the difference between you and me, is that when I am asked what I want to work on in a clinic, and I say with a perfectly straight face, "One tempi changes" they laugh at me.

I too would have loved to have been a working student - but in reality, it clashed with my "true" career ambitions. Still, every so often I think, what if I did a sabbatical...close to one of these barns...?

[hoopoe]

I would assume that the qualifying system to move up the levels would be similar to that: only a few, very achievable scores -

I would not assume too hasty like

I have heard the number 10 batted about.

10 Q scores to move up. As Cowgirl says that means for some 4 shows. I ride one class a day at second level so for me it would take at least 4 shows, since 3 day shows are less common here.

Tom forbid you have an off ride

Or live in Alaska or areas of the non-metropolitan west where a venue might be 500+ miles away.

Or just don't have the disposable income, but would like to go to a show or two every year as you progress.

I would favor a private testing system in a home barn. It could be held like a clinic. You could bypass the show numbers and ride for approval to move up. If you don't pass you earn it the conventional way.

Edited due to stunning lack of punctuation, spelling errors and general caffeine lack

[slc2]

when a clinician would ask me 'what do you want to work on', i'd say something much more general, so the clinician gets to see what he or she thinks is the most important. after all, i'm there because the clinician is an expert and has something to teach me, what is most foremost in my mind to work on might not really be the right thing to go after.

i might try to let the clinician know what i am thinking about, but give him or her the opportunity to work on whatever they feel is the most important thing. the student and teacher usually have vastly different ideas about what to focvus on.

[Pony Fixer]

I have heard the number 10 batted about.

10 Q scores to move up. As cowgirl says that means for some 4 shows. I ride one class a day at second level so for me it would take at lest 4 shows since 3 day shows are less common here.


Wow. Ten is a lot for me, even with an active area for recognized shows. Granted, even at 2 tests a day for the average 2 day show, that's 3 shows IF you get every score above the Q. That's about $1500 for me for the 3 shows, depending on venue. I don't disagree in principle, but if you don't have a lot in your area, or are on limited funds, that's gonna be hard to move up regardless of your readiness.

Funny you only need 2 scores for regionals and medals, though. I would imagine that they will settle on a smaller number than 10 (I hope).

[lizathenag]

what do I want to work on? my postition

I have ridden in plenty of clinic and NEVER been asked what I want to work on.

gues it is obvious!

[Dressage Art]

...you only need 2 scores for regionals and medals, though. I would imagine that they will settle on a smaller number than 10 (I hope).

I don't think that 10 scores will fly - dressage is already an excluding sport, and to pass this kind of a rule will make it even more DQist than it is now. I would hate for it to turn in to "the sport for rich house wives with a plenty of time for vacuuming their pantry shelves..." (semi-quoting a line from a *** magazine...) I'm under impression that USDF is trying to promote sport of dressage.

How is the qualifying system in other countries?

[evenstar]

So if you're like me and do mainly schooling shows, and only one recognized show a year (because of the expense), it'll take you, what, a minimum of 5 years to move up one level? That's insane.

Well, the good news is, we have lots of really good schooling shows here, and if there's no hope of moving up for a recognized show, I'll save bundles of money on show fees and membership fees.

Either that, or my horse schooling FEI at home (in my dreams - this part is strictly hypothetical) will clean up at 2nd level at the one recognized show we attend.

How is that fair? (but no, if I spend all that money, I'm not riding HC! :winkgrin:)

I understand the concept behind this proposal, and I even agree with it, but I think everyone involved in the decision making needs to say 10 times every morning when they first get out of bed: "The USA isn't Europe." "What works in Europe may not work in the USA."

[Jealoushe]

It's fairly common at the upper-level clinics I've been to. For example, the last one I audited was one in the FEI Jr/YR clinic series, in this case with George Williams. He would ask the riders if there were specific movements they wanted to work on, and he spend the sessions working towards having the horse forward, supple, and collected enough to be able to work on that movement effectively. He never went straight to working on the movements - a lot of time was spent on various transitions at w/t/c and between gaits with the aim of getting the horse through. Once the horse was really through, they would start working on the pirouettes, or the zig-zag halfpass, or what have you. It was a lovely thing to watch.

Oh forsure in lessons people will ask to rk on half-pass, their lengthens etc, I just meant if your coah asked you Ive never heard anyone say "fourth level moves". Did I word that better? Lets hope so

[Touchstone Farm]

Agree with Caroline W...I don't think YF's answer, "pirouettes" was so unusual. I've said things like "half pass" or "my tempes" or whatever, and it gives the clinician some place to start. Now the clinician may watch me ride and decide the canter doesn't have enough jump or suppleness or forward and will work on things to get me to the point of working on the movement I suggested, but again, I don't think her saying, "pirouettes" is bad.

I do have to wonder about YF equating time and money with success, but that's something she has to figure out for herself!

[YoungFilly]

:)

[Westlaw]

Has Michael Poulin offered an opinion about whether politics are affecting your scores? I would think that as a top trainer he would be in tune with that.

[Cowgirl]

How do they deal with horses that are bought/sold at a certain level--ie, one buys a PSG horse, they wouldn't have to start at 2nd level would they?

My understanding that the qualification is for the rider, not the horse, so if they had not qualified to ride PSG, then yes, they would have to ride 2nd. But they may also be thinking of a system for the horse as well, so that people do not skip levels. I don't know and I don't know how it is going to end up. But my very good source (as in high ranking with USDF) did say that it's going to happen in 2009.

[Sabine]

it's already happened everywhere else- so we are as usual behind the eightball!
the rider has to have a certain level of qualification and so does the horse. It avoids certain folks that ride Training for 5 years- even though they already won the year end champs and so on...once you have 'completed ' a level- you must move on- if you can't you have to either sell the horse to someone that can still ride at that level- or train some more...:)

back to the purpose of this whole game...:)

[sing]

Miss Filly,
it might help if you reached out to others suffering from your affliction, and it just so happens that there is this guy(I think his name is Michael Tabor, but I could be wrong) who might be wondering about all the money and the dissapointing results he has put into the horsey arena right about now.
A little perspective goes a long way(unlike 16 million in horse racing).

[slc2]

again, this sort of feeling is very normal. these are the same questions nearly everyone has when they are facing the next challenging step in their riding. when you are looking it in the face, and you now have more of an inkling what you have to do, it is daunting. every single person that i ever met in 40 years of being around dressage has expressed exactly the same feelings in one way or another, no matter what level it is - from backing their youngster the first time to going in the ring to do the grand prix test for the first time. you don't have to be facing the olympics to feel that way. even a little kid going into his first short stirrup class is going to express some misgivings, unless he's preverbal :)

people have doubts. they have questions. they wonder what it's all for and why they do it. this is normal.

then they get up the next day and they start doing whatever they need to do all over again.

[glfprncs]

For the last year I have been competing a horse at 2nd and 3rd level. My horse (bought in Europe) was trained to PSG, and we are just getting to 4th/PSG this year.


I just have to ask...at what level were you competing before you purchased the new mare in Europe? If I recall, your previous horse was young, so I wonder, were you already competing 2nd/3rd level prior to purchasing and competing the new mare? If not, I think that competing a brand new horse, and moving from 2nd to 4th/PSG is one year (especially if your prior experiences were with a young, challenging, lower level (thinking T/1st), is quite an accomplishment.

[Westlaw]

I have to offer my apologies for implying that I didn't believe that politics were driving the challenges that the OP is facing. It's hard to know anything about Wellington from up here in MD, but the OP was gracious enough to offer me the following inside information by way of private message:

Yes, politics are a part of the sport.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Westlaw
Has Michael Poulin offered an opinion about whether politics are affecting your scores? I would think that as a top trainer he would be in tune with that.

As a matter of fact he did, and yes politics are a part of the sport. Not that you would know that because I am sure you are a backyard rider who can't even control a [expletive censored]ing pony.

Lessons learned:
(1) this thread could have been a lot shorter if the OP had simply told us what this top trainer had said. It's so upsetting to hear this about the sport, and I hope that Mr. Poulin and other trainers will speak up so that the OP and other hardworking dressage riders will get their due in the show ring;
(2) It's a mistake to label someone a backyard rider when I don't even qualify as that-- my back yard is too small for a pony, and the zoning laws forbid it; and
(3) There is no such thing as a private message. Don't send an email you wouldn't be ready to see on the cover of the New York Times.

[BarbB]

yay Westlaw!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

[Bogey2]

I think I need to be banned:eek:....like a car wreck I just can't stop looking. Good post Westlaw!

[FancyFree]

I have to offer my apologies for implying that I didn't believe that politics were driving the challenges that the OP is facing. It's hard to know anything about Wellington from up here in MD, but the OP was gracious enough to offer me the following inside information by way of private message:

Yes, politics are a part of the sport.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Westlaw
Has Michael Poulin offered an opinion about whether politics are affecting your scores? I would think that as a top trainer he would be in tune with that.

As a matter of fact he did, and yes politics are a part of the sport. Not that you would know that because I am sure you are a backyard rider who can't even control a [expletive censored]ing pony.

Lessons learned:
(1) this thread could have been a lot shorter if the OP had simply told us what this top trainer had said. It's so upsetting to hear this about the sport, and I hope that Mr. Poulin and other trainers will speak up so that the OP and other hardworking dressage riders will get their due in the show ring;
(2) It's a mistake to label someone a backyard rider when I don't even qualify as that-- my back yard is too small for a pony, and the zoning laws forbid it; and
(3) There is no such thing as a private message. Don't send an email you wouldn't be ready to see on the cover of the New York Times.

Wow. But not surprising.

[dalpal]

Really smooth there Ms. Wellington DQ :lol:

Perhaps you could take some of the 6 figure dressage investment and put it towards Cotillion classes where you could learn some social grace to go with that Louis Vuitton handbag.

[YoungFilly]

:)

[PiedPiper]

And yeah, you do strike me as a backyarder. So sue me. :lol:

And what the hell does that mean?

Jesus just when I think you have become the epitome of a petulant snotty little child you top yourself. Bravo.

[Pony Fixer]

Some of my best friends are backyarders.

That really was rude, YF, I'm surprised. I didn't take your OP as really snotty, just frustrated, but I think I've changed my mind.

[BelleBoyd]

Sorry to interrupt, but I have been following this thread and how old is YF? I have heard her referred to as a young woman, but I'm guessing late teens?!

You may now join your previously scheduled program

[YoungFilly]

Some of my best friends are backyarders.

That really was rude, YF, I'm surprised. I didn't take your OP as really snotty, just frustrated, but I think I've changed my mind.

Well Pony Fixer.... how many pot shots am I supposed to put up with from a person who is so strange that she would remember everything about me over years? Its very disturbing.

I don't want to offend others, so I appoligize for the backyarder comment.

[Thomas_1]

Don't you think its a little weird that you are this preoccupied about me and my horses?

Don't you think its a little weird that you post about your every day things and then moan and complain when folks take interest in your attention seeking threads?

You'll never manage to to control the attention you get, so if you don't want it, then it might be wise not to originate threads which make spurious suggestions.

[Thomas_1]

Well Pony Fixer.... how many pot shots am I supposed to put up with from a person who is so strange that she would remember everything about me over years? Its very disturbing. It might be disturbing to you that someone has a good memory but I doubt it bothers anyone else.

I don't want to offend others, so I appoligize for the backyarder comment. I doubt you offended anyone at all. IMO your comment said more about you than anyone else.

[FancyFree]

Don't you think its a little weird that you post about your every day things and then moan and complain when folks take interest in your attention seeking threads?

You'll never manage to to control the attention you get, so if you don't want it, then it might be wise not to originate threads which make spurious suggestions.

Gah so much word! When you start "Look at Me! Look at Me! Look at Me!" threads, don't be angry when people do look. Everyone loves a nice trainwreck.

[Ghazzu]

I doubt you offended anyone at all. IMO your comment said more about you than anyone else.

Spot on as usual, Thomas.

[dalpal]

Oh great, another deleter. Doesn't like the thread, so the OP just decides to start deleting all their posts. Grow up! I wish this board would ban people who do this, my other board does.

[BarbB]

I vote for that. I also vote for banning people who send PMs to others that would be bleeped on TV. :lol:

[~Freedom~]

Oh great, another deleter. Doesn't like the thread, so the OP just decides to start deleting all their posts. Grow up! I wish this board would ban people who do this, my other board does.

I hear that most of the posts were saved on a site called The Litter Box.

[FancyFree]

Oh great, another deleter. Doesn't like the thread, so the OP just decides to start deleting all their posts. Grow up! I wish this board would ban people who do this, my other board does.

There's a poster who does that at another non-horsey board I belong to. She starts trainwrecks filled with inflammatory comments, then edits and/or deletes. It became a game on the board to quote her before she could hit the edit/delete button. :lol:

[katarine]

Agreed! Posters who routinely double back and erase, off with their heads.

or, we could just collectively learn to ignore her pirouetting in the corner for her imaginary paparazzi. Just a thought. I think she's about as useless as tits on a boar, but what do I know?

[Dalfan]

That really was rude, YF, I'm surprised.

Are you really. It's always all about her. Finally showed her true colors though.

BTW YF; Since you have so much money (and I have my doubts)- how is that mare that you sent to a texas "retirement" home that you had never seen? Couldn't you have taken a little bit of that money and assured a good, close-by home that a responsible owner could check on once in a while, in between her illustrious riding career.

You are a class-act.:)

imaginary paparazzi

That's the goal for this piece of work - To be known, famous, admired, emulated, etc, etc etc.

[BarbB]

I hear that most of the posts were saved on a site called The Litter Box.

Why am I not surprised :rolleyes:

That's her real fan club. Scary.

[chaltagor]

I hear that most of the posts were saved on a site called The Litter Box.

And don't miss the Attention! Attention Whore! thread. What a clever and totally super funny name that thread has.

BTW, I'd love to be somewhere where I'd HEAR TLB mentioned. I guess I'm not as lucky as you. ;)

[Sansena]

Link please...

[FancyFree]

Yes link please! I thought you were just joking about her posts ending up in the litter box. Is it a dressage site?

[chaltagor]

Is it a dressage site?

Yes, and don't even think of going there unless you have a gazillion dollars to spend on horses that you don't ride well.

[BarbB]

it's The Manure Pile on EZ board
http://p069.ezboard.com/bthemanurepile39728

The Litter Box is one of the forums. Read the warnings...they mean it.

[Equibrit]

There needs to be a clique for those who have received threatening/insulting PMs from YoungFilly.

April 12th 2007

"Your going to find this real fun when I find out who you are in real life Equibrit.

I have no idea why you or your friends are doing this, but I will go to legal action if necessary. You are not anonymous. I can, and will find out who you are.

This is called harrassment, and slander, and I will not tolerate it.

If I find another message, posted by anyone I will take legal action. I will not tolerate this in the future.

Coup, feel free to relay the message. I will not tolerate this any longer. I can and *will* take action."

[Dalfan]

I think YF is still pissed at Westlaw for her spot-on chronology of YF's draaaama's. In the "A starving/abducted/abused Gigi on the road again thread".

[~Freedom~]

I checked it out.

http://p069.ezboard.com/fthemanurepile39728frm11.showMessage?topicID=1250. topic

[FancyFree]

Hahahaha that's hilarious. Thanks for the link guys!

[BarbB]

Yes, and don't even think of going there unless you have a gazillion dollars to spend on horses that you don't ride well.

Chaltagor....re the litter box....no hate intended. There is a fan club over there......apparently the only one she has.

[Dalfan]

There needs to be a clique for those who have received threatening/insulting PMs from YoungFilly.

"Your going to find this real fun when I find out who you are in real life Equibrit.

I have no idea why you or your friends are doing this, but I will go to legal action if necessary. You are not anonymous. I can, and will find out who you are.

This is called harrassment, and slander, and I will not tolerate it.

If I find another message, posted by anyone I will take legal action. I will not tolerate this in the future.

Coup, feel free to relay the message. I will not tolerate this any longer. I can and *will* take action."

When did you receive this pearl?:lol:

[chaltagor]

Chaltagor....re the litter box....no hate intended. There is a fan club over there......apparently the only one she has.

Yes, and isn't it lovely? Sorry, I misread you. :winkgrin:

[Westlaw]

I think YF is still pissed at Westlaw for her spot-on chronology of YF's draaaama's. In the "A starving/abducted/abused Gigi on the road again thread".

That would make sense, Dalfan, but she actually liked that post. Here's her PM response:
Your post was funny

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I just wanted to let you know that my SO and I were sitting at Outback tonight trying to find humor in this situation. Your 8 stages of Gigi had us in stiches.

I am guessing from your username you might be a lawyer?

As long as she comes home fine, I think I will be able to look at this as being funny. One of my friends was trying to "cheer" me up, saying that Gigi should have a disposable camera with her to take picture of where she is.

I am very glad that tomorrow she will have a vet look at her and she is with a A circuit hunter/jumper person.

Anyway, I thought I would let you know that you're post brought us some humour into the situation.

Take care,

Denise Perrotta


She liked it at the time, anyway.

Lesson learned (4) People remember. Whether you wish they didn't or not. So don't count on people not remembering. And it's most likely not because someone has a particular interest in you-- unless you work quite hard to be memorable, which I must say you appear to do.

Sorry for not answering your July 29 PM: yes I am a lawyer.

And Dalfan-- what's with you remembering my posts about those posts? Are you purposely remembering me remembering things? Isn't that weird?

[petitefilly]

Yes, and don't even think of going there unless you have a gazillion dollars to spend on horses that you don't ride well.

Wow! I'm seeing another side of life here!

All I get worried about in my daily riding is if my canter is connected. Who knew!!!!! :)

[Dalfan]

And Dalfan-- what's with you remembering my posts about those posts? Are you purposely remembering me remembering things? Isn't that weird?

Very.:lol:

I remembered it because of your thread "Insulted by fellow border". She posted a snarky reply denying you sympathy when you gave her none for her "Gigi abducted by transport" thread by way of your creative chronology.

So, I thought her nasty "back-yard rider" remark in the PM was in relation to that.

All clear?? I'm not sure I am anymore.:lol::lol:

[Westlaw]

Very.:lol:

I remembered it because of your thread "Insulted by fellow border". She posted a snarky reply denying you sympathy when you gave her none for her "Gigi abducted by transport" thread by way of your creative chronology.

So, I thought her nasty "back-yard rider" remark in the PM was in relation to that.

All clear?? I'm not sure I am anymore.:lol::lol:

Now I know where migraines come from. :D

Am I to understand that you remember her snarking my whining about being snarked because I had snarked her for whining and snarking? You are something, Dalfan. :) Want to pool our resources and buy some therapy? I'm thinking six figures should cover it for the two of us if we really focus. :lol:


And just to be clear: I didn't post the PM because I'm insulted at being called a back yard rider. I don't even know what that means. Someone who takes care of her own horses every day? There ought to be a trophy for that. If the insult is supposed to mean someone who works for a living and fits riding-- and the expense of it-- into a life of other responsibilities, guilty as charged.

[YoungFilly]

Lara Schwartz, what did I do to get this much attention from a Harvard educated lawyer? I wonder how many hours you could have billed for all of the research you have done on me? What are you so interested in?

I would have thought you would have had much better things to do.

[Pony Fixer]

Oops, Westlaw, methinks you have been googled!!!

[Spectrum]

I would not assume too hasty like

I have heard the number 10 batted about.

10 Q scores to move up. As Cowgirl says that means for some 4 shows. I ride one class a day at second level so for me it would take at least 4 shows, since 3 day shows are less common here.


Yikes, that would be DISASTROUS for me. I usually do two-day shows and show two classes per day. I usually only do 2-3 shows per season, so that means if I have one off class per show (which I usually do), I'm stuck at that level for another year regardless of how my training is going. How could they say you only need two scores at each level to get your medals, yet you'd need *10* to move up?!?

And if you are showing fourth level, few people want to do more than one class a day at that level. That means you'd have to do 10 shows in a year to move up. Yikes!!!

Spectrum.

Edited to add: And if you're up north where the show season is really only May-Sept, you're going to be shelling out some serious dough over a very short period of time. If this is seriously being considered- thanks, USDF, for making dressage EVEN MORE expensive.

[BarbB]

Lara, what did I do to get this much attention from a Harvard educated lawyer? I wonder how many hours you could have billed for all of the research you have done on me? What are you so interested in?

I would have thought you would have had much better things to do.


Isn't there a rule that if you delete the original post you are not allowed to come back and fight with the people who are making fun of you for deleting it?
If there isn't such a rule, there should be.

[~Freedom~]

Isn't there a rule that if you delete the original post you are not allowed to come back and fight with the people who are making fun of you for deleting it?
If there isn't such a rule, there should be.

I will second that nomination.

[Dalfan]

Am I to understand that you remember her snarking my whining about being snarked because I had snarked her for whining and snarking?

I think that about sums it up!:lol: I have a very good memory - and I'm an excellent driver too.:yes::lol:

I didn't post the PM because I'm insulted at being called a back yard rider.

But obviously YF meant it as an insult. Like you will never attain the heights of riding, instruction, show venues and horse flesh, not to mention name-dropping BNT's that she will. Because she is special - and a wanna-be. So, she deserves it.

[Shiaway]

Young Filly,
I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with all the politics in dressage down in Fl. It's such a hard and prestigious place to compete. Keep on trucking because I think that if you keep working with Micheal Poulin pretty soon all of those biased and politically-minded judges will come around and see you for who you truly are.

[fiona]

Anyhow.. Back to me

[Thomas_1]

what did I do to get this much attention from a Harvard educated lawyer? I wonder how many hours you could have billed for all of the research you have done on me? What are you so interested in?

I would have thought you would have had much better things to do.

Denise,

I'm taking a guess that in posting silly attention seeking postings, your dream came true and........ drum roll.......... you got attention.

Lawyers tend to have an innate ability to probe and challenge and make sense of complexity. I suspect with regard to your "case" and circumstances it would take no longer than a few minutes doing a post search to try to make sense of the tangled web you weave.

My wife is also a lawyer - working specialising in international computer crime and with a side-line lecturing on the likes of spotting lies and deception in the written word on the internet. She's pretty phenonimal at it and merely looks over my shoulder and looks at the screen and says ...... using technical legal jargon that I hope you can understand...... "that one's full of crap"

I on the other hand can just smell bull sh** way over from here.

[hitchinmygetalong]

*Blink...Blink*

Hitchinmygetalong comes out of her cave long enough to check the boards and wonders, "What on earth happened here? Oh! I see YoungFilly imploded again. Who is going to clean up THIS mess?"

Well Young Filly/Luvsthreehorses/stressedoutalter, what new nom de plume are you going to hide behind when you return with your next tragedy du jour?

Nicely done, all. :lol:

Yawns, returns to cave.

[PiedPiper]

**raising hand**

Actually have been out in public and had the Pile brought up. It was a proud day for sure. :lol:

[Feuerlilie]

OMG guys!

I am wondering if everyone has reread their posts and realised our snarky this thread has gotten!

No I havent followed the saga of youngfilly and Gigi...I have doen a search on some of the posts and yeah sure I agree that she does come across as being a bit spoiled. But do you guys truly hate her this much?

Youngfilly...all i can say is that you do seem dissillusioned at the moment with your dressage comps....but you should be thankful that you have had a chance to own such a nice schoolmaster that can teach you the ropes. Just by having a horse like this doesnt make you a great rider though...it is bloody hard work...some of your hardwork has been done for you yes...by being able to afford to buy a wellschooled horse ...but it doesnt mean you expect to go out and win classes against riders that have been riding dressage a working their butts off for years..

If you are not doing well sit back and ask yourself why? Do u need more training? Different trainer? A change of perspective.:D

[AnotherRound]

Wow, YF, just a teensy little bit of the old personality disorder rearing her heads again, is it?

Just thought that bore repeating.

Gimpy, I never knew about the Luvsthreehorses persona, although I have followed with awe the other two. Was that on COTH, that Luvsthreehorses? Couldn't find it in the search function.

[FancyFree]

Westlaw you have arrived! You're no one until somebody stalks you on a message board. ;)

Isn't using someone's real name against the rules here? It's a bannable offense at the other board I belong to.

[hitchinmygetalong]

Gimpy, I never knew about the Luvsthreehorses persona, although I have followed with awe the other two. Was that on COTH, that Luvsthreehorses? Couldn't find it in the search function.

try luvthreehorses (no "s" - sorry). One of the more memorable posts:You know, some people read slc's post and truely think she knows what she is talking about.

Truthfully people, she truly doesn't have one clue. I couldn't be more clear, she is talking out her butt and she may or may not know it.

[AnotherRound]

OMG guys!

I am wondering if everyone has reread their posts and realised our snarky this thread has gotten!

No I havent followed the saga of youngfilly and Gigi...I have doen a search on some of the posts and yeah sure I agree that she does come across as being a bit spoiled. But do you guys truly hate her this much?



Yeah, well, she hates us. And, she's rich. So, we hate her.

Actually, we don't really, but it seemed like the kind of response called for here. And, it does seem like that's what she thinks of all our responses, based on the childish name dropping and respones she's made. There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of depth of perception about what folks are responding to, on her part, or alot of thinking and sorting out of our posts and respones to her. So, yeah, from her (and, apparently, em, your) point of view, you're right, I think she probably just thinks we all hate her.

I wonder what its like to be able to just distill everything down to a few easy conclusions: Yeah, they just hate me, that's all. Or, They're jealous. Or, They just wish they were me.

That'd be sweet.

[cinder88]

Here, I thought I sucked because I missed the year end chanpionship award by 1.5% yesterday.

Really, it wasn't me at all!


Darn, the politics in those Walk/Trot classes can be HARSH!

Cinder

[Dale Area 1]

Guess we are "outing" ourselves... I received quite a few PMs from YF in the past. The language was way too strong to post on this board, but I did notify the mods. Also, got a few similiar e-mails to my home account.

If you notice, I don't post on the dressage board often. But if I see a YF post, I do look. Reason -- I knew her when she was a 16 year old kid in MA and meet her again and boarded with her a few years ago when she bought Gigi before she moved to FL with her SO.

[slc2]

i'm not seeing a lot of heroes here. i don't particularly always agree with how YF handles things - she's very emotional and not very private or restrained in expressing her feelings, impulsive, wants to achieve alot and not quite yet getting how to do it...not very wise in what she tells people, and it gets her into trouble. But YOU guys...man. what a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy. what an incredibly nasty bunch of women!

[rileyt]

Thanks for clarifying SLC. Whatever would we do without you? :rolleyes:

[Coreene]

Well Young Filly/Luvsthreehorses/stressedoutalter, what new nom de plume are you going to hide behind when you return with your next tragedy du jour?Ooooh, I like that even better than COTH Whine du Jour.

But she's getting a 10 on namedropping, isn't she?

[dressurpferd01]

Oh slc, my little sardine, if this were any other poster you'd be jumping in right in the middle of the fray with everyone else. This woman (YF) has repeatedly made a fool of herself and then hastily back-pedals when she finally comes to her senses, and it's gotten real old.

[FancyFree]

i'm not seeing a lot of heroes here. i don't particularly always agree with how YF handles things - she's very emotional and not very private or restrained in expressing her feelings, impulsive, wants to achieve alot and not quite yet getting how to do it...not very wise in what she tells people, and it gets her into trouble. But YOU guys...man. what a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy. what an incredibly nasty bunch of women!

Are you always so flip-floppity? Didn't you initially say her post was a "pity party"? :rolleyes:

[slc2]

certainly, and i do believe in saying to someone, 'get a grip, come on',

there is a BIG difference between having a girls' club fight against the unpopular girl, which is what you all are doing, and saying 'come on get a grip'. u keep accusing me of playing favorites or being in consistent, but no one has faced up to the fact that this is a public lynching of the girls club, and nothing more. god, move on already. you're turning this place into junior high school.

[katarine]

slc,slc2, same old same old with you. Nothing changes. YF et al never gets any more prudent, and you remain the same old two faced prune. Wait, wait, come back and tell me about that time your friend did just this same thing and your bike coach told that story and your good horse did this other thing, yeah, that same old 1500 word essay on you and you and yours.

something to be said for consistency, I suppose. :lol:

[cinder88]

Oh slc, my little sardine, if this were any other poster you'd be jumping in right in the middle of the fray with everyone else. This woman (YF) has repeatedly made a fool of herself and then hastily back-pedals when she finally comes to her senses, and it's gotten real old.


That's ANCHOVY!

Not sardine.

Cinder

[mp]

That's ANCHOVY!

Not sardine.

Cinder

What she said. ;)

[hitchinmygetalong]

Sorry, you have that all wrong. I am slc's "Little Anchovy" :)

Aren't you all just oh so jealous?

Pick another species of marine life for her. Perhaps a sea slug?

[flshgordon]

Sorry, you have that all wrong. I am slc's "Little Anchovy" :)

Aren't you all just oh so jealous?

Pick another species of marine life for her. Perhaps a sea slug?

I don't know what you marine lovers are talking about but STOP IT RIGHT NOW before you get me fired for laughing!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dressurpferd01]

Yes, I know it was anchovy, I was trying to make a joke...

[mp]

Sorry, you have that all wrong. I am slc's "Little Anchovy" :)

Aren't you all just oh so jealous?

Pick another species of marine life for her. Perhaps a sea slug?

Blowfish.

[Sarabeth]

.... But YOU guys...man. what a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy. what an incredibly nasty bunch of women!You are probably the person responsible for keeping new participants out of the dressage forum, slc.

Try taking some of your own advice.

[hitchinmygetalong]

I don't know what you marine lovers are talking about but STOP IT RIGHT NOW before you get me fired for laughing!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

slc2, July 12, 2007, directed to me:
if you think i'm MAD, today, of all days, the best day in ten years, you are SORELY MISTAKEN MY LITTLE ANCHOVY.

[~Freedom~]

That's ANCHOVY!

Not sardine.

Cinder

The things ( uggg) you put on a pizza?

[Wellspotted]

Maybe everyone had better just go ahead and exit at A, before someone rings the bell.

[Dressage Art]

You are probably the person responsible for keeping new participants out of the dressage forum, slc.

Try taking some of your own advice..

[SillyHorse]

This is getting downright entertaining! :lol:

[class]

holy mackarel.

[MistyBlue]

I've stayed out of this one...but had to comment on the irony of the thread now being titled Period. :lol:

[Luvmyappy]

So how does YF like being famous now?
I suppose any press is good press but I wonder how many times someone will walk up to her and say...hey..aren't you the woman who.....?

[Huntrs+eq]

holy mackarel.

mackerel...blech. Now I'm confused-was "anchovy" a typo or YF's version of a term of endearment?

[Reynard Ridge]

This is getting downright entertaining! :lol:

I vacillate between thinking it is entertaining and being ashamed of myself for wasting any amount of the short time I have on this planet for reading it. Don't I have better things to be doing???? :no:

[snoopy]

I've stayed out of this one...but had to comment on the irony of the thread now being titled Period. :lol:


Good one!!!

This reminds me of a life lesson my father brought to my attention when I was 13/14. We went to the local hunt...we were invited to the kennels and my father laughed...he said, snoops I have the opportunity to teach you something today....He brought me over to the kennel where the dogs (males) were housed...they were happy playing, flopping about, tails wagging...generally in a good mood hanging out with friends.....
He then brought me over to the kennels that housed the bitches (females). They were scrapping, snapping, whining, etc...clearly NOT having a good time. My father said to me..."if I can teach you nothing else about life, I am glad for this opportunity" I did not quite get what he was trying to convey to me that day, but he said it will all make sense in time.....

OH how right he was!!!!:D
Thank you dad!!

[~Freedom~]

He brought me over to the kennel where the dogs (males) were housed...they were happy playing, flopping about, tails wagging...generally in a good mood hanging out with friends.....
He then brought me over to the kennels that housed the bitches (females). They were scrapping, snapping, whining, etc...clearly NOT having a good time.

Imagine the difference had there been a run from one kennel to the other one....:)

[cuatx55]

This is better then a soap-opera!!!! I was beginning to tire thinking about what the point of this whole thread was, but lately it has DRAMA! Intrigue! Spying! I don't think anyone is being any more mean then YF, if anything she is being the drama queen. I may never look at DQ's the same way again after those PM's. Ouch! Me----owwwwwwwww!

[hitchinmygetalong]

mackerel...blech. Now I'm confused-was "anchovy" a typo or YF's version of a term of endearment?

To repeat: I have been chosen to be slc's "little anchovy". I believe that is where the term arose. So back off. It's my nickname, do you hear me? MINE MINE MINE! :D

[Quin]

Wow. I mean, just.......wow.

I have GOT to get over to the dressage forum more often.

[Huntrs+eq]

To repeat: I have been chosen to be slc's "little anchovy". I believe that is where the term arose. So back off. It's my nickname, do you hear me? MINE MINE MINE! :D

Ok, I get it. I admit I'm more than a little jealous, but I'll get over it.


Someday.


:D

[dutchmike]

pure entertainment. It sure beats television:D

[snoopy]

Do you think there will be scenes like this on Robert Dover's show?!!

[3horsemom]

I vacillate between thinking it is entertaining and being ashamed of myself for wasting any amount of the short time I have on this planet for reading it. Don't I have better things to be doing????
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well said. however it is like a train weck...i just cannot look away!

[Westlaw]

I vacillate between thinking it is entertaining and being ashamed of myself for wasting any amount of the short time I have on this planet for reading it. Don't I have better things to be doing????
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well said. however it is like a train weck...i just cannot look away!

Ditto there. Think of it as a reality TV show with a dose of the surreal. Or like Taco Bell. No, it's not good for you, and no, you're not proud to admit it, but every once in a while you're drawn into that drive-through.

We're in good company. More than 20,000 views. And though I object to being characterized as a stalker (and take issue with the idea that opening my own email constitutes research), I have to say that seeing this OP's name makes me open a thread-- some combination of entertainment value and cautionary tale.

[YoungFilly]

Oh, I am sad and shamed, and famous :)

Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csS_RnOhd-Q

I am hardly a mean person, and I won't let people portray me that way either.

I am reading this with a lot of humour. Some people have asked how old I am? How about some of the relentless people on the tail end of this thread?

If you think I am going to tuck tail and run, you are sadly mistaken. I have not posted anything to warrant this and I am not going to go sit in a corner worrying what some of you think of me.

I will be friendly to anyone who says hello at shows. I am very familiar with my own 'show crowd' so you can also forget scaring me away from showing, either.

Expect me to continue posting and showing!!!

Let's go for 40,000 views hraaahhh!!!!! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc

[katarine]

LOL. Oh, I'd say it in person.

I'd also say you're three quail shy of a covey, but who's counting?

[Reiterin]

Expect me to continue posting and showing!!!


Good for you. You'll probably do better at Training and First. The sitting trot does take some practice and skill. :cool:

[snoopy]

Good for you. You'll probably do better at Training and First. The sitting trot does take some practice and skill. :cool:



as opposed to the "jack hammer school of riding";)
That was an actual term on a dressage score sheet by a particularly harsh dressage judge from CT. that I scribed for a hundred years ago. :eek:

[hitchinmygetalong]

The sitting trot does take some practice and skill. :cool:

I might add that it is very hard to do correctly whilst one has a stick up one's a$$.

[cinder88]

WHO is Denise?

Cinder

[Sabovee]

In effect, you are tuck tailing and running by deleting your posts.

I think this is one of the most cowardly things a person can do on a BB. Stand behind what you write.

[YoungFilly]

WHO is Denise?

Cinder

Oh, you must have missed it. Lana posted my real name a few pages back to teach me a lesson. I guess it didn't work.

:)

[monstrpony]

Every couple of days, I open this thing and go hunting for what's supposedly so entertaining. Still can't find it ....

[cholmberg]

Oh, I am sad and shamed, and famous :)

Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csS_RnOhd-Q


Irrelevant. :rolleyes: No one has said a thing here that they wouldn't say in person. In the beginning you were getting thoughtful, real advice, despite the very petulant tone of your OP. 'Not getting the scores I would like and that reflects the amount of money/effort I've put in. . MUST be politics!'


I am hardly a mean person, and I won't let people portray me that way either.


No one has said you were. Immature, yes. . .mean, no. And your behavior on this thread hasn't exactly been mature. But oh, that's right, you went back and erased all of your stuff. And you do it all the time. It's bad BB etiquette.


I am reading this with a lot of humour. Some people have asked how old I am? How about some of the relentless people on the tail end of this thread?


They wonder about your age because they desperately hope your outrageous behavior on this BB is because you are very young. Glad you are amused, if you lose your sense of humor, you've lost all.



If you think I am going to tuck tail and run, you are sadly mistaken. I have not posted anything to warrant this and I am not going to go sit in a corner worrying what some of you think of me.


Hon, by going back and deleting all your posts. . that is EXACTLY what you have done. . turned tail and run, but come back hoping for some more attention.
You have a history of posting outrageous things, often getting sound advice, then screaming you don't WANT any advice (since it wasn't what you were hoping for) and deleting your posts. . of COURSE folks wonder at your age. It's stuff a teenager would do. Such melodrama is going to attract ridicule after oh, half a dozen episodes. :confused:


I will be friendly to anyone who says hello at shows. I am very familiar with my own 'show crowd' so you can also forget scaring me away from showing, either.


Ummm, your need for attention is showing. . . not one person here has even attempted to do any such thing. Aside from some ribbing (which is very mild compared to what is being posted over at TLB), you are STILL getting good advice (drop to a level more appropriate for your skills, and your scores will improve). Folks have made a point to ENCOURAGE you to show, unless you are burnt out and need a break (which everyone needs sometime).


Expect me to continue posting and showing!!!


Of course. Why wouldn't you? But you are the one acting like an angry child here. Deleting your posts makes you look very immature, as did the contents of the OP, and your responses. I'd suggest looking at your posts carefully if you are going to ask for advice, or make very controversial statements. If you insist on posting stuff like you have in the past, then please don't be surprised when nothing changes. . or is that what you want? I know they are having that problem with my teenage niece right now. . acting badly because negative attention is better than no attention. :rolleyes: Then playing the victim by posting that video? Would you go up to the judges at the show if you got a score you didn't like and accuse them of being politically motivated? I seriously doubt it, maybe you should watch that video a few more times.

[Coreene]

A few french fries short of a Happy Meal.

[AnotherRound]

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.


A few clowns short of a circus.


She fell out of the Stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.


Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

[NOMIOMI1]

YF Id say some of the people posting on here dont have enough things to fill out their day!

[Mozart]

I hardly think this is a case of cyber bullying. Last night as I was driving home from the barn I was listening to a broadcast of a lecture by a Ryerson University professor of communications about the internet. It was very interesting. She spoke about the need to "manage one's internet identity" and how people sometimes try out a few different personas before settling on one. The one they settle on is usually pretty close to their actual persona. It seems to me that posting late night frustrated rants and then deleting them when the going gets rough is not good management of one's internet identity.

She also spoke about how values develop at different internet sites where like minded people tend to gather. I would say COTH would be such a site. It is not hard to gather what the values are here. If you whine, expect to be called on it. If you post asking for advice and people take the time to post thoughtful responses they will get testy when you shrug it off. When you then do the Gilda Radner on SNL "NEVER MIND", well, that annoys.

When someone who, apparently, was riding at First Level, is fortunate enough to go to Holland to buy a Prix St. George horse and then is able to progress to at least qualify for regionals several levels above where they formerly rode at...well, that is not too shabby at all. To then complain that politics is getting in the way of achieving their ill-defined goals invites people to respond with a "reality check".

Perhaps better management of your online identity would entail the "sleeping on it" rule of thread creation. Something to think about.

[slc2]

so, if someone doesn't 'manage their online identity' properly, then you all will be free to go on insulting the person until the international banking collapse comes? based on some idiotic comment they made on the internet...comments that aren't really all that much more idiotic than comments the picker-onners have, at one time or another, made?

i don't question that you all have the right to pick on the 'unpopular girl' when you want to. i also agree that YF's transgressions are many and grevious in the 'popular girl-unpopular girl' world you all most definitely live in. in the real world, however, MOST people voice highly disingenuous comments from time to time, and after insulting them for a while, most people would actually, eventually move on to some other topic. they would, actually, after a time, get their fill of picking on the 'unpopular girl'.

my only question is, since you all obviously can't do anything EXCEPT pick on the 'unpopular girl', why haven't you moved on to picking on some OTHER 'unpopular girl' yet?

[findeight]

Well Young Filly/Luvsthreehorses/stressedoutalter, what new nom de plume are you going to hide behind when you return with your next tragedy du jour?
:lol:
Yawns, returns to cave.

:sleepy: Well said.

And, to quote a song Thanks for the Memories. YF, deleting a post never works. Only ignoring them makes them go away. By now you should have learned it only pricks the imagination as others try to figure out what was said. Usually worse then what was said and deleted...and then there are those pesky quotes that never go away.

Carry on. I shall sneak back to hunterland now. Dull as it has been.

[Briggsie]

YF, ummm isn't this about the third time you have posted a topic about hating dressage/your horse? And then you get "MAD" when you don't get the answers you want? :confused:

As I said before, many people took the time to write a reply and give you the benefit of their experience.

Maybe, some are just feeling like fools for being taken (again) when you decide, after several pages, that the OP was just an "AMAZING POST" written out of "LATE NIGHT" boredom. :no:

Sad. :(


YF.....I just saw this....

Amazing late night post hah?

Probably late night because I don't spend my days trying to reinvent some alternate way of screwing up my horse......and then writing about it.

Don't bitch and complain and pick on people because they call you out on your "woe is me" antics....... say it like it is.

And don't for that matter, refer to me as Girlfriend.....

[snoopy]

.
my only question is, since you all obviously can't do anything EXCEPT pick on the 'unpopular girl', why haven't you moved on to picking on some OTHER 'unpopular girl' yet?


Be careful of what you wish for SLC...;)

[akor]

Bravo to all!

Thanks for the entertainment. Hats off to YF, really, I mean that. She is something else! You go girl, keep this thing going. I'll do my part;)

[hitchinmygetalong]

"There is no spoon."

[Sannois]

what the topic was about. I never understand why people suddenly decide to delete the original title and all their posts. :confused:

[NOMIOMI1]

This is like watching when the Nasty get Nastier! Yuck it leaves a bad taste in my mouth!

[findeight]

Ummmm....don't look?

[Dalfan]

my only question is, since you all obviously can't do anything EXCEPT pick on the 'unpopular girl', why haven't you moved on to picking on some OTHER 'unpopular girl' yet?

Some here are opportunists - and because Erin hasn't closed the thread yet?? :winkgrin::lol:

[Bogey2]

I don't see YF as "unpopular" I see her more as arrogant in her postings...but that's just me.

Arrogant (Ar"ro*gant) (#), a.
[F. arrogant, L. arrogans, p. pr. of arrogare. See Arrogate.]

1. Making, or having the disposition to make, exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue degree of importance; assuming; haughty; -- applied to persons. "Arrogant Winchester, that haughty prelate." Shak.
2. Containing arrogance; marked with arrogance; proceeding from undue claims or self-importance; -- applied to things; as, arrogant pretensions or behavior.

[PaddyUK]

As a European rider, I have to wonder why YF does not use some of her six figure expenditure on taking a sabatical and spending some of that money on training in Europe!

It is quite common in England for riders to go to Germany, Holland etc and just spend time training.

If FEI is a target. Then take yourself off , get some intensive training.

QED

Paddy

[SGray]

nice post Mozart

[Erin]

You all are welcome to call someone on the carpet if their BB behavior is lacking, but you need to do so in an adult manner. Name-calling and insults are not helpful, nor appreciated.

YF, I'm going to give you one warning -- you need to give a good, hard look to your BB behavior. This is an adult forum, and people are expected to act like adults. If you are not able to tolerate posts that don't agree with you, or if you think an appropriate response to disagreement is to send bitchy PMs to people or delete all your posts, you're not interacting in an adult fashion. In addition, I'm tired of every thread you start becoming disruptive. If these trainwrecks continue, you WILL be banned.