Stallion Approvals & Capone I

[SuZQuzie]

I am breeding my sporthorse-bred TB mare to Capone next year for a 2009 baby. I am trying to figure out which registries to present my mare to next summer, however, I can't find Capone to be on the stallion rosters of AWR, RPSI, KWPN, or ISR Oldenburg, which I was under the impression by his breeding manager that he was approved with.

Capone's website, stallions.net, has expired along with the e-mail address within the last two weeks. I do not have the manager's phone number on my phone since I recently lost my phone that had her number.

Does anyone know what Capone is actually approved with? Anyone have his contact information?

[risingstarfarm]

Capone I is approved with the BWP.

Hope this helps!

[SuZQuzie]

Thanks. I had already figured that out, but all the Belgian WBs I have seen have been very hefty. I don't know if they would accept a TB mare for breeding, would they?

[risingstarfarm]

I'm not sure what horses you are referring to when you state that Belgian warmbloods are hefty.

Some examples of BWP horses currently performing in the US are UpChiqui, Triomphe de Muze, Orlando, Ublesco, Gray Slipper, Obourg, Sapphire, Play On and Quervo Gold. They represent a range of types from refined and modern to horses with more substance (primarily through Darco blood).

At any rate, the BWP does accept TB blood into the Main stud book. In fact, several of the approved stallions in the US have a substantial amount of TB blood.

Hope this helps!

[ShannonD]

Ronda, do you know what is the typical breed type for BWPs? Specific things they look for in breeding stock?

And must mares be presented for approval for full registration of the foal, or is it set up more like the NAWPN/SWANA?

[Allyn M]

SuZQuzie , I bred our mare Class Act ,daughter of Touch of Class to Capone I this year for an embryo transfer. If you would like some of the details let me know . You can contact me through my e-mail on our web site.
I will try to attach a picture of her and her foal by Simsalabim if they still allow premium members to do that.

Can't do it .I will have to work on that picture.

[Allyn M]

Trying again !!!!

[risingstarfarm]

Shannon - mares must inspected for foals to be registered. There is an annual tour which just wrapped up yesterday! You can present a mare prior to breeding, while pregnant or with a foal by her side.

The inspectors generally look for a modern type of sport horse. Anything too heavy or old fashioned isn't likely to do very well. There are a lot of Dutch and Holsteiner bloodlines in the registry -especially jumper lines.

During inspection, the horses are evaluated for type (sporthorse), topline, Walk (free, relaxed and swingy - hooker walk ;-)), and trot (elastic and supple). E-label mares are evaluated under saddle and freejumping and stallions are also evaluated freejumping and at liberty (undersaddle once they are over 4).

[Jellybean83]

Just saw Capone I go in a Grand Prix last weekend. He's an awesome horse!! I have no idea about his current contact info as he has changed hands but he is being ridden by Kyle King.

[KimPeterson]

I have a 5yr Capone I mare from a TB dam if you are curious you can see her dam and her photo on my website to give you an idea of what he produces. She is much heavier bodied than her dam and now that she is finally broken in she is well balanced. Not spooky at all, but not a ride for a small child or heavy handed adult. Finesse is her middle name :)

[ShannonD]

Shannon - mares must inspected for foals to be registered. There is an annual tour which just wrapped up yesterday! You can present a mare prior to breeding, while pregnant or with a foal by her side.

The inspectors generally look for a modern type of sport horse. Anything too heavy or old fashioned isn't likely to do very well. There are a lot of Dutch and Holsteiner bloodlines in the registry -especially jumper lines.

During inspection, the horses are evaluated for type (sporthorse), topline, Walk (free, relaxed and swingy - hooker walk ;-)), and trot (elastic and supple). E-label mares are evaluated under saddle and freejumping and stallions are also evaluated freejumping and at liberty (undersaddle once they are over 4).

Thanks Ronda! Yes, I saw that the tour just wrapped up-- oddly enough, yesterday's inspection was in the same town as Suzie's mare! After knowing this, if she decides to go in the direction of the BWPs, inspections won't be very difficult compared to other registries which don't hold inspections nearly that close. Well, I think the ATA held inspections at Hilda Gurney's at one point....But that definitely wouldn't help her in Capone I's case :) (She was also considering Titulus and Windfall for her mare)

Suzie's mare (we both bred our mares late last season to Yeager GF; mine did not catch and we did not retry, and Suzie's foal --a dark buckskin colt-- unfortunately was put down at 3 days old) is a VERY nice sporthorse mare, a granddaughter of both Saros and Mr. Prospector. Very well built and definitely a find, and can jump the moon! The resulting foal will be a showstopper!

[ShannonD]

I have a 5yr Capone I mare from a TB dam if you are curious you can see her dam and her photo on my website to give you an idea of what he produces. She is much heavier bodied than her dam and now that she is finally broken in she is well balanced. Not spooky at all, but not a ride for a small child or heavy handed adult. Finesse is her middle name :)

I can definitely see Capone I in your mare! He really stamped her-- she is lovely!

I see that she is an Oldenburg....is she reg'd Oldenburg?

[cheekyhorse]

Hmm, strange about the website not being there anymore. Well I know he is approved with the German holsteiner and BWP. Pretty sure he is also Canadian Warmblood approved. Not sure about the other registries mentioned though, I don't recall seeing him on RPSI or AWR.? Sorry, maybe someone else knows more?

[ShannonD]

Hmm, strange about the website not being there anymore. Well I know he is approved with the German holsteiner and BWP. Pretty sure he is also Canadian Warmblood approved. Not sure about the other registries mentioned though, I don't recall seeing him on RPSI or AWR.? Sorry, maybe someone else knows more?

Where have you seen that he is an approved Holsteiner? I'm curious!

He is indeed reg'd Canadian....his son Chocolat is a CWB according to their website. Unfortunately the OP lives in Southern California!

Thank you :)

(PS- LOL Suzie sorry for "managing" your thread!;))

[risingstarfarm]

Well, I think the ATA held inspections at Hilda Gurney's at one point....But that definitely wouldn't help her in Capone I's case :) (She was also considering Titus and Windfall for her mare)



Glad to help!

Anyway, RE: Trakehner stallions - BWP inspected a Titulus son in Vermont. Foals by any stallions that are approved by a recognized registry are eligible for inspection (there is just an additional "foreign" stallion fee).

[ShannonD]

Anyway, RE: Trakehner stallions - BWP inspected a Titulus son in Vermont. Any stallions that are approved by a recognized registry are eligible for inspecton (there is just an additional "foreign" stallion fee).

Good to know! The BWP is one registry I am not familiar with, and am definitely interested in learning :)

And oops on the Titus/Titulus :sadsmile:

[cheekyhorse]

I read it here.......... I did a search after reading this topic and this is what I found.....

www.lateleefarms.com/capone.htm

I also had heard it just the other day in fact, from someone that I know that owns a Capone yearling.
Not sure if it's true in fact, but it's out there being said anyhow.;)

[ShannonD]

I read it here.......... I did a search after reading this topic and this is what I found.....

www.lateleefarms.com/capone.htm

I also had heard it just the other day in fact, from someone that I know that owns a Capone yearling.
Not sure if it's true in fact, but it's out there being said anyhow.;)

Thank you! Now to figure out how to get an American TB mare approved for breeding with the German verband ;)

One of only a handful of Contender sons available in the United States for breeding, Capone is to our knowledge the only stallion standing at stud who is both a German Holsteiner Verband approved son of Contender and a competitive success on American showgrounds. This stallion loves to win- he was born to jump, and to be competing in this sport fills him with evident delight.

[cheekyhorse]

LOL! Yes, that would be the test.........

[KimPeterson]

The year I bred to him he was paid up and approved Oldenburg NA so she is fully papered prem Oldenburg NA and branded to boot :) She was one of his first foal crop here in the US, when he was first imported / standing at Timberline farm. I have just started jumping her and she has a natural scope, she knows where the "spot" is if you leave her alone she is happy. Very brave she has been willing to try everything from the downed trees in the back ring, to ditches on the trail so far so good. She is athletic though and not a ride for everyone if you are a timid person you wouldn't enjoy her.

[SuZQuzie]

How or while would a previously approved stallion have his approval revoked? I was hoping for an Oldenburg baby (funny how that works - Holsteiner + American TB = Oldenburg). He seems to be consistently producing fine offspring, he is competing with the best of them, I just don't get it.

I heard something about there being 2 North American Oldenburg registries. They had a disagreement and split the original one into two. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong Oldenburg Stallion Roster?

[Allyn M]

There were some serious problems with his owner and I think that affected his affiliation with many of the registries. None of this however was the stallions fault and he is a great jumper.

[KimPeterson]

I think they choose to pay their money for the stallion dues (it can get expensive with more than one registry)to the registry of their choosing. He is eligible to be approved I believe base on performance now anyway in most of the us warmblood registries. He also was approved in Germany by the verband testing before being shipped here. It is a choice of his owners what registry they activate him with, a stallion must be paid up and activated for the foals to get papers in that registry for the year of breeding.

My mare went Oldenburg NA since her dam was main mare book with them (she was a jumper not raced btw.) and the inspections where close for me. I would never trailer a full day or more with a baby on board, so closeness of inspection site was a decision maker for me at the time.

[cheekyhorse]

yes, Kim is correct. He very well may have been approved with Isr/Old or Nawpn or whatever. But if the SO hasn't paid the fees for the year for his license then they will take him off the roster, and foals born in the time he is not paid up cannot be registered. You will need to check with the SO on this to see what registries she has kept up with since she has had Capone. Good luck!

[SuZQuzie]

Fortunately, I have some time before this becomes a dire situation (foal expected in 2009), but I would still like to get this resolved! If anyone has her contact info, please PM me!

Thanks to everyone else contributing on here. It is greatly appreciated! :]

[DownYonder]

Capone was on the Oldenburg (GOV) stallion roster at one time but I don't know if he dropped off because he had a temporary license that expired, or if his owners quit paying the yearly activation fee. I also don't know if he is eligible for permanent approval. I don't believe he was ever performance tested but he may have met the requirements via competition. If you are interested in him for an Oldenburg registered foal, you will need to contact the office in Florida and find out about his status. If he IS eligible for permanent approval but isn't activated with the registry the year you breed to him, you will be charged an extra $100 fee at the foal's inspection. You can get contact info for the Florida office here - http://www.oldenburghorse.com/Oldbrg-Contact.htm .

[KimPeterson]

I think his placings in the Int. level GP heights have qualified him but yes you have to call the office and pay him up so to speak. He was approved Oldenburg GOV and NA when I bred to him :)P

[mirrabook]

Capone I is indeed fully approved with Canadian Warmblood as of June of this year. For stallions not completing a recognized performance test, the sport requirements are quite demanding. I have copied the Press Release issued at the time:

June 27, 2007 - The CWHBA Stud Book Committee announced that, with his convincing win in the $50,000 Thunderbird Show Park Spring Classic Grand Prix in May 2007, Capone I earned the final of his 5 scores required to achieve full approval through sport. His other top 3 placings were:
2nd - 2007 $25,000 Plus Grand Prix, Louisiana
1st - 2006 Thunderbird Show Park Spring Classic GP
2nd - 2006 Jacksonville Kickoff Grand Prix, Florida
3rd - 2006 $175,000 Shell Cup, Spruce Meadows

The web page quoted from LateLee Farms (http://www.lateleefarms.com/capone.htm) is very out of date and refers to when Timberline still owned him.

Can't help you with contact though. Sorry.
Marilyn

[cheekyhorse]

yes that website is out of date. I just used it as an example/proof that Capone was indeed approved in Germany. :)

And thank you Marilyn, I thought he was approved CW.

[fish]

Just out of curiosity: once a horse is approved/registered with one of the WB registries, is it necessary to pay annual fees to get papers on offspring, "only" fees for years during which the horse is actively breeding, or what? (I'm inquiring about both mares and stallions here.) If SO's need to pay annually to every registry by which their stallions have been approved, I could easily see them getting sick of it and stopping, with the apparent result being that a mare owner desiring papers would have to pay much more than expected to get them and/or that very fine stallions with a great deal to contribute might be passed over because of problems getting papers. This, IMO, could be one of the reasons why many active show riders and trainers do not care about papers. They contribute nothing to an animal's success as a show horse and can be an expensive PITA to acquire and maintain.

IOW, Capone I is obviously a marvelous horse who should be attracting good mares. I think it very unfortunate if he loses mares because of doubts concerning his "activation" status. If this proves to be the case, I think many would say it's a pity his owners stopped paying. I feel it's a pity that they would be expected to.

[KimPeterson]

Yes stallions pay annual fees on top of the approval fees, every year they plan to breed they have to pay up in the registry (s) ....

[dbaygirl]

Suzy,

You have a PM from me.

Jan

[fish]

Yes stallions pay annual fees on top of the approval fees, every year they plan to breed they have to pay up in the registry (s) ....

Do mare owners have to do this, too?

[Jellybean83]

Yes you have to pay a yearly fee to keep your mare 'approved' by the registry and get papers on the foal. At least this is true of ISR/OLD, which is the only registry i've ever had to deal with

[DownYonder]

For Oldenburg (GOV), if a stallion's temporary breeding license expires because he hasn't met the performance requirements, the license is automatically eligible for renewal as soon as his owner provides proof to the registry that he has completed the requirements. The owner also has to pay the stallion activation fee (annual stallion dues) to get his license reinstated. Foals conceived after a stallion's temporary license has expired are eligible only for a Certificate of Pedigree, not full registration papers.

If the stallion is licensed and has met all performance requirements - i.e., he has a permanent license - his owner does not have to keep him activated each year, but the owners of any foals sired while he is "inactive" will be charged an extra $100 fee at the foal's inspection. For stallions standing at public stud, it is to the stallion owner's advantage to keep him activated with the registry so he will show up on their official stallion roster.

[fish]

Yes you have to pay a yearly fee to keep your mare 'approved' by the registry and get papers on the foal. At least this is true of ISR/OLD, which is the only registry i've ever had to deal with

Could you please clarify "you have to pay a yearly fee"--- does this mean you pay annually regardless of whether the mare is open or bred or you only pay for the years when you want ISR/OLD papers for a foal?

E.g., What if you have a mare you only breed once every 6 years or so?

[DownYonder]

Forgot to add to my post above - except for the initial mare inspection fee, Oldenburg (GOV) does not charge a separate annual fee for mare dues.

[Oakstable]

Capone is an exceptional stallion and I suspect the owner is concentrating on competition and will focus on registeries later. It's the only reason I can think of for not having a current web site for him.

The matter of mare fees and stallion fees should be a separate thread.

I don't pay mare fees for the KWPN NA but I know some registeries have them. And it can be a shock when you come to pay for your first mare's inspection with foal.

[arnika]

For the AHS, you have to pay mare "dues" for the year the mare is put in foal(ie; bred) and for the year the foal is born to get papers. I believe this is also true for the ISR/OLDNA.

[EquineLVR]

So what kind of mares does he mix well with? What type of offspring is he throwing? I have always really liked this stallion.

[holsteinersrock]

My understanding is that Capone was approved (sans performance) by the HOL Verband in Germany, and then he was offered a temporary breeding license fairly recently with the AHHA, but I don't know the rest of the story.

To my knowledge there were BIG problems with one former (?) owner who maybe is out of jail by now???

As for fees in general, for ISR Old fees go to http://www.isroldenburg.org/index.php?pid=services_fee%schedule... I am not familiar if he's approved with them, but their fee structure is fairly standard of North American WB associations.

In most if not all respectable warmblood registries in NA mare owners and stallion owners (or somebody!) has/ have to pay yearly activation fees, otherwise the offspring can not get papers.

Anna

[tri]

All these dues and fees and crap to all these fragmented registries is a lot of what I've been trying to bring attention to (and been badmouthed for doing so).

It makes american wb breeders:

#1. Fragmented with no strong united voice
#2. Uncompetitive with europe because it raises our cost to bring a product to market
#3. Makes the horse unrecognizable as an American product because we are taking our product and putting multiple FOREIGN labels (brands) on it instead of an american label or brand


Also, Capone was approved with the Holsteiner Verband and then imported. The American Holsteiner Horse Association, then required Capone to be "represented" to them - for a variety of reasons including their opinion that many substandard holsteiner stallions were being dumped on America and they weren't going to rubber stamp them.....as well as the registry was set up with other stallion owners deciding who and what stallions would be allowed in the registry and, well, that is competition for them, isn't it? When Capone was represented, the AHHA turned him down to the consternation of a lot of people - had one of the officers of the AHHA tell me personally that it was pure political reasons. Others said Doug did a bad job of presenting him. Probably some of both.

Capone was at one point presented to the BWP and sent a check to have a private inspection for all of the owner's stallions. They had the inspection and the check bounced to the registry - a BIG check. Caused some problems!

But, here we are and the stallions are very nice and it is good to see the new owners promoting them so well.

[szipi]

Capone is definitely approved Holsteiner.....just call the AHHA office. He is also BWP approved.

Andras www.prairiepinesfarm.com

[holsteinersrock]

Capone is definitely approved Holsteiner.....just call the AHHA office. He is also BWP approved.

Andras www.prairiepinesfarm.com

Am I right in thinking that in other words, if I bred to Capone, and had a foal by him, and paid Capone's yearly activation fee for the breeding year of the foal ($ 350 or something such as that --- unless somebody else has paid it already?), and paid my mare activation fee, and if my mare was in the AHHA books or passed an AHHA inspection, then I could get AHHA papers for said foal?

I'm not breeding to Capone, but never mind his past humans or circumstances that he did not choose, he is a nice stallion and this is a purely educational question.

Anna

[tri]

I think so.

[ShannonD]

Suzie, I'm curious to know if you've gotten in touch with the SO yet?

I'm going to shoot an email over to the AHHA.

VERY educational thread! :)

[szipi]

Am I right in thinking that in other words, if I bred to Capone, and had a foal by him, and paid Capone's yearly activation fee for the breeding year of the foal ($ 350 or something such as that --- unless somebody else has paid it already?), and paid my mare activation fee, and if my mare was in the AHHA books or passed an AHHA inspection, then I could get AHHA papers for said foal?

I'm not breeding to Capone, but never mind his past humans or circumstances that he did not choose, he is a nice stallion and this is a purely educational question.

Anna

Anna,
There are some questions about the legal ownership of Capone. As far as I know they are being resolved and breeding to him should not cost any more than breeding to another AHHA stallion. Andras

[omare]

Hopefully the ownership issue will be resolved quickly. There is rumor that former manager (owner) has been released from jail? That person was good at keeping the ownership details vague.

[jmjhp]

Hopefully the ownership issue will be resolved quickly. There is rumor that former manager (owner) has been released from jail? That person was good at keeping the ownership details vague.

I can't help it... We better keep a eye on our dogs!

[Galileo1998]

I just watched the CN International on TV and while Capone was doing his round they commented that it was going to be Kyle King's last ride on him because of an ownership change. Any idea who owns Capone now?

[Exitpoint]

At the risk of curtailing the development of another round of juicy and entertaining rumors, we've clarified the current situation via a press release posted at this page (http://www.stallions.net/images/Exitpoint_lease_conclusion_press_release.pdf) on our website. Hopefully, this helps to answer questions cleanly.

I must say, it has been truly entertaining keeping up with all the gossip - as Oscar Wilde one famously quipped, “there is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”

Nevertheless, I prefer to stick with more important matters. To wit:

If you want to understand true love, you must be true love.
- Sasaki Roshi

Your favorite non-Normal,

D. Spink

[tri]

Doug????!!! Is that really you?

Care to give us an update? - feed the gossip? - oh come on! You know we are all just dying to know details!

[Cooper]

That press release just made my skin crawl, especially the second to last paragraph.:no:

[spacely]

That press release just made my skin crawl, especially the second to last paragraph.:no:

Ditto. Really unfortunate.:no:

[coriander]

That press release just made my skin crawl, especially the second to last paragraph.:no:

Eeew. About the whole thing. That's some spin - "whilst I was otherwise engaged." :rolleyes:

[jmjhp]

I can't believe it! Poor Kyle he did such a nice job with the stallions.

[cheekyhorse]

hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.....

[arnika]

Is that really Doug Spink? When did he get out of prison? I could have sworn he was sentenced to 5 years!

Those poor stallions.:no: What a horrible life to go back to. Thank God i never booked to either of them.

[holsteinersrock]

Yuck.

Nice horse....

O.J. Simpson is arrested, Madeleine McCann's parents maybe whacked her, Doug appears to be out of jail, and still the owner of Capone I.

What next!?????

Living on the edge may be "cool", and open your mind to things you did not previously know about yourself, but my thought on this is "just say NO".

Anna

[CathyKb]

DS - I truly hope you got help for yourself, for your sake and also those wonderful stallions!

[Mini Me]

I believe the return of the two stallions to Mr. Spink will pretty much end their commercial breeding careers. Unfortunate, but I certainly wouldn't do business with the man under the circumstances.

Sarah

[cheekyhorse]

okay, I must say after reading this so called 'press release statement' here, Like WTF?? How can anyone get anything from that?? What is all that supposed to mean? It's all a bunch of meaningless drivel to me. Is he taking the horses away from Corrine? Are they no longer associates then?? Are the stallions leaving that farm or what? And who is going to ride these stallions, Doug?? I mean come on, this doesn't make a bit of sense, I am rather confused by it all. Is it just me??

[omare]

It is like a bad horror flick- maybe Mr. D. and his horses will never be in the same country ever-because of his drug conviction and his failed businesses in the US.

Can he go to canada with a drug conviction (?) and can they come to the US (?) for fear of creditors/liens?

No doubt he placed them in a LLC to protect his ownership interests as the law allows as long as you are not defrauding creditors/goverment (?), but I dont think he moved them to Canada just for the weather. They are worth a lot of $$$.

[caffeinated]

Can he go to canada with a drug conviction (?) and can they come to the US (?)

nope.

But actually, if they're never in the same place, that would probably be a good thing.

"no! that's a BAD touch!!!"

[Exitpoint]

I'd like to offer my thanks for all the comments posted thus far. It's an informative process.

. . . brings to mind an old aphorism of which my mother is quite fond: 'tis not the things we do not know, but those we do that are not so.

In any event, we've had a good time reading the tea leaves.

Peace,

D. Spink (& Friends)

[Tiki]

True or false, people love to gossip and seriously embellish what they do know, what they've heard, or what they fabricate, 'til the rumor doesn't even come close to the truth. I certainly don't know the truth, but do know of the horses and I wish you and the horses well. Pass a secret around a circle and you never know what comes out the other end.

[frisky]

but I dont think he moved them to Canada just for the weather.

No, he didn't. He plays a good ($$$) shell game.

[omare]

This is not gossip-Mr. Spink has been reported in the press as having a drug conviction and as being a failed (bankrupt) businessman. He also moved the horses to Canada and has them in a LLC. These I believe are facts not gossip.

Mr Spink also came on this board and gave a fence by fence account of his horse's performance (at only 7 years old maybe) in the particularly grueling competition at Spruce Meadows (maybe the shell cup?) and telling us all what an amazing job he has done with the horse, patting himself on the back at his expertise as trainer but failing to add that the horse had in excess of 30 plus faults and in preparation for that course had incurred 20 plus faults a few days earlier over a smaller course.

This is what I judge him on-not gossip-but his own words-and what I see as his need to put his own ego ahead of the best interest of the horse. He should have felt ashamed of himself and his poor judgement and horsemanship, having asked that talented young horse to get around a course on sheer courage and heart (all because he wanted to be able to brag that Capone was the only holsteiner stallion standing in the USA that was competing at FEI level.) The last thing he should have been asking for is praise and congratulations. He should have been asking for that horse's forgiveness.

(And while other professionals may have incurred many faults also - I did not see them on this board telling everyone what a wonderful job they had done.....yikes)

I can only cringe if he starts managing that wonderful brave and talented horse again.

[cheekyhorse]

There are 'things' posted BY MR. Spinks on the internet on certain sites that would make you cringe and hide all your horses away from him. These are not rumours people..... I personally would NOT associate with this kind of person ever.

I had to add, apparently he is talking about wintering Capone out of North America. I don't think he is sure of his plans as of yet, he told this person he will be releasing some kind of statement this fall. (He has said this to someone who inquired about breeding next year.)

[omare]

so what country may let him in....?

edited to add: dont you usually have a parole officer and travel restrictions when you first get out of prison for that type of drug conviction...or is he planning on a one way ticket?

[CathyKb]

Maybe Colombia!:yes: :yes: :yes:

Sorry, I just had too!:D :D :D

[cheekyhorse]

LOL!!! Yes, Columbia would like him wouldn't they.......:D

[ponygirl]

My question is to DS and it's one I think is what most of us are wondering. Why would you dissolve something that looks to be a winning partnership in Capone and his rider Kyle King? Why would you remove the stallions from someone who seems to manage them very well in terms of outward appearances and in breeders circles who've put mares to your stallions? It's seems to be very positive for the horses in all accounts or is the old addage "all good things must come to an end" applicable here? If so, it's a shame.

[baywithchrome2]

My question is to DS and it's one I think is what most of us are wondering. Why would you dissolve something that looks to be a winning partnership in Capone and his rider Kyle King? Why would you remove the stallions from someone who seems to manage them very well in terms of outward appearances and in breeders circles who've put mares to your stallions? It's seems to be very positive for the horses in all accounts or is the old addage "all good things must come to an end" applicable here? If so, it's a shame.

Three letters...

EGO!

DS - Please stay away or at the very most, take a back seat. Let those who have resurrected the careers of these horses enjoy the success.

Sadly, I was considering Capone for next year but after reading this thread, he's now been scratched from my list. :(

[Oakstable]

I cannot imagine anyone interupting a winning combination -- Kyle King and Capone.

Not sure what has happened with the other stallion in competition but I totally agree, taking a back seat and enjoy their success from afar.

[Galileo1998]

My question is to DS and it's one I think is what most of us are wondering. .

No, I suspect what most of us are wondering is why DS chose to have sexual relations with his stallions and dogs :mad: and post easily identifiable pictures of it on an internet forum devoted to that sort of thing. :confused:

[spacely]

No, I suspect what most of us are wondering is why DS chose to have sexual relations with his stallions and dogs :mad: and post easily identifiable pictures of it on an internet forum devoted to that sort of thing. :confused:

Thank you Galileo. I think you just said what most of us have been thinking.

DS, the best thing you could do would be to crawl back under the rock in which you crawled out from. As if tryiung to smuggle $30M in drugs wasn't enough....

The only beings I feel for in this situation are the horses. What a way to ruin the rest of their lives.

[Exitpoint]

LOL!!! Yes, Columbia would like him wouldn't they.......:D

Columbia is a truly beautiful country, now that you mention it - their Spanish is soft on the ear and more mellifluous than what is heard further north. That said, the Columbians haven't been in the transport side of the business for quite some time.

Anyway, it's a thought. . .

Peace,

D. Spink

[Exitpoint]

No, I suspect what most of us are wondering is why DS chose to have sexual relations with his stallions and dogs :mad: and post easily identifiable pictures of it on an internet forum devoted to that sort of thing. :confused:

Your use of the "confused" icon is appropriate.

Despite all the talk of the show-stopping photos of yours truly, I've been unable to track them down. That's sort of odd, since (purportedly) I'm in them. Perhaps you could point me at these photos so I can enjoy them, as well?

If Paris Hilton can have her sex tape, I think it's only fair I get credit for a few photos at least. So, please do share. . . nobody likes to be left out of a story like that!

It's no secret that my relationship with dogs and horses transcends the typical "pet" roles. What's mystifying to me is what - exactly - is so terrible about caring deeply for other beings (dare I say "love," or is that to freaky a concept?). I think that, at core, the thing that most infuriates folks is the simple fact that I'm not even marginally concerned with appearing normal.

Anyway, as the caption to a photo I once saw of a BASE jumper in New York City read. . . "unrepentant and obviously unrehabilitated." Life's too short to get swept up in the petty angers and miseries of others. I'd rather appreciate the beauty of being alive (and free), and leave the bad energy to the experts.

Peace,

D. Spink

[Tap2Tango]

I think we need a barf icon over here.
I also think it's such a shame to take Capone away from Kyle.

[chaltagor]

Despite all the talk of the show-stopping photos of yours truly, I've been unable to track them down. That's sort of odd, since (purportedly) I'm in them. Perhaps you could point me at these photos so I can enjoy them, as well?

THAT sounds like a TRIPLE dog dare.

Come to CoTH, where you can't say bad words but can have conversations with convicted drug dealers who may have farked their pets. Yay!

The mere fact that this person's name and beastiality always go hand in hand makes moot the need for any more proof. And, all you cats and kittens, when other posters who don't normally post in certain forums start showing up, what does that tell you? Start making the popcorn.

[BLBGP]

So are you now saying you didn't have sexual relations with your animals?

Poor Capone. He seemed so happy and athletic with Kyle.

[fullmoon fever]

What's mystifying to me is what - exactly - is so terrible about caring deeply for other beings (dare I say "love," or is that to freaky a concept?).

D. Spink

I think all of us here love our animals. We don't choose to "make love" to them. There is a difference.

[cinder88]

I unfortunately saw some of the pictures....I only wish someone had warned me sufficiently before I opened that link....THAT is not "making love" in any way shape or form.

THAT is taking advantage of a poor dumb animal under your control for your own gratification...the animal had no choice in it.

I'd like to think I speak for all CotHers, when I say...There is no-one here who has any interest in anything you do, say or write. Crawl back into your hole. No one will miss you.

Cinder

[fullmoon fever]

THAT is not "making love" in any way shape or form.

THAT is taking advantage of a poor dumb animal under your control for your own gratification...the animal had no choice in it.

Cinder

Very true. Unfortunately, due to the nature of this particular BB, it's impossible to say what I really want to. ;)

[jmjhp]

I saw the pictures too. Nasty! I don't see how you can love your dog that way or the horses, just not right in the head. Poor Capone!

[arnika]

by Exitpoint:
It's no secret that my relationship with dogs and horses transcends the typical "pet" roles. What's mystifying to me is what - exactly - is so terrible about caring deeply for other beings (dare I say "love," or is that to freaky a concept?). I think that, at core, the thing that most infuriates folks is the simple fact that I'm not even marginally concerned with appearing normal.


Where is the vomit emoticon??

No, I think what infuriates most people is the thought that you are out of prison and walking around with the rest of us. :mad::eek:

Poor stallions.:no:

[cheekyhorse]

I too had the misfortunes of coming across some photos sent to me of Mr.Spinks. or should I say 'Fausty' having just disgusting relations with his animals. Dogs and horses, it's all over the internet. Also am well aware of the website he had/has on his 'zoophilia' habit. Just disgusting.......I think I may actually need therapy now after seeing that. I am so grossed out by the whole thing, POOR CAPONE, someone NEEDS to get all of those animals far far away from Doug Spinks. He is a pervert and a weirdo....enough said.

[jmjhp]

"fausty" Yep, thats it, I could not remember.

[Cooper]

We are all assuming that Capone is being taken away from Kyle. Perhaps Kyle has no interest in a business relationship with Mr. Spink?

The stallion is certainly talented, and Kyle has done an incredible job with him, but everyone has limits as to what they will deal with. Just a thought.

Carry on.

[baywithchrome2]

This guy is obviously mentally ill...can somebody say sociopath?!? I think it would be best if we stop paying attention to him with this thread and hope that he just suffocates without the attention. :rolleyes:

[Dressage-ryder]

Im sorry but really... Get some help and leave your poor helpless animals far away from you and everything that is you. Capone is in good hands, for his sake, leave it that way. It makes me sick to hear that you consider that type of relationship "love" , talk about out of touch with reality.

[Exitpoint]

This guy is obviously mentally ill...can somebody say sociopath?!? I think it would be best if we stop paying attention to him with this thread and hope that he just suffocates without the attention. :rolleyes:

I agree - excellent plan.

Alas, some small minority of folks here just can't seem to get enough of frolicking and smearing themselves with nasty little rumors. Like any dirty temptation, it's hard to pass up isn't it? The willful ignorance, anger, and blind hatred aimed at someone deemed different from the norm that is dripping from so many responses in this thread - and in the pages of similar detritus thrown about whilst I was AFK - speak volumes about the people posting it.

So far, the best response is the outright assertion that "[t]he mere fact that this person's name and beastiality [sic] always go hand in hand makes moot the need for any more proof." <claps hands> Outstanding!

That sort of "logic" steered countless witches to the stakes in past centuries, and was the fuel in McCarthy's red scare fires (one could comfortably cite many other historical terrors against vulnerable minorities, needless to say). Good to see that the cruder forms of human herd instinct are alive and well today. No doubt, if I lived 300 years ago I'd have gone up on the stake for being outside the norm. Unfortunately for some of you, the option of literally burning people you don't understand (and thus fear) isn't available today. . . I suppose hot words on discussion boards will have to suffice :rolleyes:

For the record, I'm not confirming anything and I'm not denying anything. Instead, I choose to let people's assumptions run wild all on their own. The stories spun out of bad energy are always more creative than reality; sad stories, to be sure, but stories truly reflective of those who generate them out of the thinnest of factual tissue.

Personally, I believe that life's too short to be spent demonizing those different from I. Instead, one can choose to move past one's less generous assumptions and, in the process, perhaps widen one's understanding of the diverse world in which we all live. Just a thought. . .

Peace,

D. Spink

[silvia]

self justifying bla bla rant

Obviously in your little section of the world, you believe your behaviour to be normal.

To everyone else who has been privy to your behaviour, you have broken several laws and behaved in what is essentially an abusive, advantageous manner towards animals that are dependant upon you.

This is not gossip or rumour, it is fact.

Facts that you yourself have personally been responsible for divulging on the internet through comments, photos and videos.

Feel smug, Mr Spink. Nobody is buying your flavour of bullshit.

[ponygirl]

Good post Silvia.
Sorry Fausty but a lot of us have seen the photos you posted on the net of your sick behavior with your dogs and Capone. Nasty? Beyond anything any moral decent human would imagine. Rumors?, No, photos plastered on the net with comments by you about them, sorry, that's damning, factual, evidence that you are a very sick sorry excuse for a human being.

[Erin]

Enough. We are really just NOT going there on this subject.

Exitpoint, I highly recommend you find another BB to post on. I do not think you'll be well-received here, and if your postings continue to cause disruptions, we will ban you from this forum.