Stallions going to the 100 Day Test this year??

[talloaks]

I have not seen a list of the stallions who will be attending the 100 Day Test this year, or the 30 Day Test for that matter. Anyone know?? Please share as I am curious.:)

[TwinGates]

Do any of the breed associations post this info?

[Edgar]

I believe 17 stallions are attending and started about 10 days ago. As soon as I find a list I will post it.

[DownYonder]

I know of 4 or 5 that are there, but I'm waiting for an official list to be released before saying anything. I think that after all the controversy after the last testing, they are trying to stay kind of "low key" with this one.

[alliekat]

Do they ever host a stallion testing in the SE part of the country. Is it ever open to spectators? Thanks

[Peg]

Paxton is just east of Cincinnatti....better that CA for those in the SE.Peg

[camohn]

Vinca's owner posted here that he was going. Beyond that I don't know.

[Riva]

I believe Saracen (Scimitar) is there as well as Wamburto (Rousseau).

[RBA]

There are some stallions from the province of Quebec that were inspected with the Old/ISR in 2005 and 2006: Royal T, Aliano, Bratt Z and Sir Wanabi that should be going.....but I think three of them Royal T, Aliano and Bratt Z are still in Canada?

Can someone elaborate on that? If they don't go, won't they lose their approval with the Old/ISR?

[MagicRoseFarm]

Also, does anyone know what happened with the "Young Horse" session that was advertisied before the test?

[ahf]

Paxton Farm's events calendar mentions something along those line MagicRose:
http://www.paxtonfarm.com/Events/calendar.htm

But it was for the mid-term.

I am not aware of anything like that at the start of the test.

Vinca is there, he's stabled next to my stallion. I have to say I didn't take note of who else was there. Saracen is also there. It was good to see En Avant. She's been holding my hand. Actually, several people have been holding my hand.

I got a big sense of relief when Edgar noted that we are 10 days into the test. One tenth the way there! I need to install one of those countdown clocks on my computer.

[Home Again Farm]

ahf,

Best wishes with your boy. I am not there but will hold your cyber hand. :yes:

[Clarion]

I was just looking at the calendar link ahf posted. Can anyone tell me or point me to information on what the Hunter Stallion test is?

ahf--Good luck with your boy!

[Foxdale Farm]

My guy is there and boy am I nervous! My husband and I agonized for months before we finally made the decision, but in the end, we decided that it would be the best thing for him if he can get through it successfully (fingers crossed). I will be on pins and needles until it's over, but I'm excited about how it will hopefully mature him and give him lots of great training.

Lori
www.foxdalefarm.us

[enavant]

I can give a rough list from what I remember. I have forgotten some names and some pedigrees. As said Saracen is there as is AHF's Fielding, Vinca and Gatsby. There is Angela Barilar's Fuerst Heinrich son, Fuerst Impression, A Hohenstein son, Highlife, Rapture R. by Rotspon, another black Rotspon that I can't remember the name of, Sir Wanabe who I believe is a Sandro Hit grandson, a chestnut Waikiki son from California, Bravo who is by Bugatti Hilltop, a Regazoni, an Argosy and a beautiful brown Conteur son called Confetti. Wamberto wasn't there yet as he was still in quarantine but, he may have arrived by now. I may have forgotten someone but, as I said this is just what I remember from one day.

[copper bay farm]

The AHS office released a list of the enrolled stallions for me yesterday to post on the website. Go to http://www.hanoverian.org/Stallions/TestResults/2007.shtml for more info.

[Spike]

I dont think Sir Wanabi is a SH grandson... he is by Santorini (Sunlight/Dirk) out of a mare by Lortzing/ Leibwaechter... he has been bougth at the RCMP auction as a 2yo or 3yo if my memory is right.

He is a very nice stallion btw. No that much advertized, but I was positively impressed by is appearance at the Old/Na licencing.

;)

[HFSH]

:eek:
How is it fair to have a 7yr old and an 8 year old stallion competing with the 3 and 4 year olds? one stallion born in 1999 is there, one born in 2000 is there! *sigh* I thought they didn't allow stallions older than a certain age, which I thought was 6?

[Iron Horse Farm]

Does GOV accept the horses that pass the test at Paxton? or will they then have to be presented at a GOV inspection site? How doesthat work?

Holly
www.ironhorsefrm.com

[Fairview Horse Center]

Letter posted on the AHS website from Suzanne Quarles:

100 days test -- Letter of Introduction

Hello Stallion Owners!

I was very glad to meet some of you at Paxton Farm and sorry that some of you were unable to be at the start of the 100 Days Test. For those of you who were at Paxton Farm on August 2nd and 3rd, I hope you had a safe trip home and for those of you who were not there, I'd like to explain a little about my "job" as the Technical Delegate of this Testing.

I am the current Chairperson of the American Hanoverian Society Mare and Stallion Committee, licensed to inspect mares and stallions. I have stood stallions for over 25 years, breeding both by live cover for Thoroughbreds and by transported semen for warmbloods. I feel that I am well qualified to be a voice on behalf of the stallion owners and to stick up for those concerns that I would have if one of the stallions in the testing were mine. I can assure you that I will always put myself in your place when questions come up or decisions have to be made. I have also been a USEF licensed Dressage and Eventing Judge and Technical Delegate for some 30 years and have always considered myself as a fair and impartial judge, an excellent upholder of the rules and a fair arbitrator. I was asked by Doug Leatherdale and Ekhhard Brysch if I could make myself available.

I am doing this "job" and I am taking time out of my farm schedule for the benefit of the horses participating in the testing. I am not the employee of the Testing, Paxton farm, the AHS or the Oldenburg N/A. I am not getting paid, only reimbursed for food, lodging and travel. I want to see that the testing is conducted on a level playing field and that each horse gets to train and exhibit his strengths to the best of his ability out of the best of the ability of the training staff. I hope I can be of some assistance and that I don't disappoint you. I will be available by e-mail for you to voice your concerns or to ask questions anonymously. Unless you request that the e-mail not be forwarded to all, I will send everyone your questions/concerns and my reply.

While at Paxton Farm, I met with Helmut Schrant, the Testing's Training Leader, Dr. Christian Schacht, the Oldenburg N/A representative, Hugh Bellis-Jones, the Executive Director of the AHS, Dr. Scott Strosneider, the Testing's veterinarian and Helmut's staff of riders. We tried to anticipate questions and circumstances that might arise, and in that vein, have set some policies.

We first addressed the policy of visiting. Visitors' day is Friday, and is open to the owners and the public alike to watch the stallions in training. Helmut will allow other, occasional visits when owners are unable to come on a Friday, but he wanted it to be known that calling beforehand would allow him to schedule your horse to be ridden while you are there. Otherwise, it is possible that your stallion would already have been ridden, and Helmut is adamant that he will not bring the horse out again. Secondly, we agreed that supplements that are required by your stallion must be accompanied by a letter of need from your local veterinarian and these supplements can only arrive packaged by Smart Pak. In the past, the feed room looked like a supplement warehouse with baggies, twist ties, big and small buckets and scoops of every size and shape imaginable. Adequan and Legend will be available to all stallions through Dr. Strosneider. Please contact him directly to see that this is done on whatever schedule is needed. No medications of any kind will be allowed to be given by the owner. Moreover, in an effort to uphold the level playing field concept, drug testing will be conducted randomly during the 100 days.

We also discussed what to do about owners that want to take on some sort of hands on approach, big or small, with their stallion during the testing. We discussed this at great length, and agreed that these stallions were first and foremost in a testing situation to determine how they can deal with trials and tribulations and how adaptable they are. The concern is that all stallions should get the same handling and 'perks'. We felt that it wouldn't be fair to have some get hand grazed, or massaged or receive any extra care, if not all could have those same opportunities. It is that level playing field idea again. So, we will adopt a policy that owners will not be allowed to handle their stallions, ride them, longe them, graze them or groom them for the 100 days of testing. I hope you can all see that this policy is about fairness.

I will be going to Paxton Farm two more times before the final testing. I will be there Tuesday and Wednesday September 4 and 5 and Friday and Saturday October 1 and 2. If you send me an individual e-mail after these times, I'd be glad to pass along what I had observed.

All the best.

Sincerely,
Suzanne Quarles

[Sonesta]

:eek:
How is it fair to have a 7yr old and an 8 year old stallion competing with the 3 and 4 year olds? one stallion born in 1999 is there, one born in 2000 is there! *sigh* I thought they didn't allow stallions older than a certain age, which I thought was 6?

Remeber, the testing was cancelled last year so hasn't been held in three years, so those horses couldn't have attended for the past three years.. It wouldn't be fair to eliminate them under the circumstances.

[carosello]

Does GOV accept the horses that pass the test at Paxton? or will they then have to be presented at a GOV inspection site? How doesthat work?

Holly
www.ironhorsefrm.com (http://www.ironhorsefrm.com)


I do not think any registry passes a stallion sight unseen.
All stallions have to be presented.

[CuriosoJorge]

"So, we will adopt a policy that owners will not be allowed to handle their stallions, ride them, longe them, graze them or groom them for the 100 days of testing."

This alone would be enough for me to not send my horse to this program. In essence, you turn over total control of a young, developing stallion to strangers. Granted, strangers with a long history of involvement in warmblood breeding. That's still a lot to ask, especially in consideration of some of the horror stories we have all heard about past testing experiences. Thoughts?

[DownYonder]

I can give a rough list from what I remember. I have forgotten some names and some pedigrees. As said Saracen is there as is AHF's Fielding, Vinca and Gatsby. There is Angela Barilar's Fuerst Heinrich son, Fuerst Impression, A Hohenstein son, Highlife, Rapture R. by Rotspon, another black Rotspon that I can't remember the name of, Sir Wanabe who I believe is a Sandro Hit grandson, a chestnut Waikiki son from California, Bravo who is by Bugatti Hilltop, a Regazoni, an Argosy and a beautiful brown Conteur son called Confetti. Wamberto wasn't there yet as he was still in quarantine but, he may have arrived by now. I may have forgotten someone but, as I said this is just what I remember from one day.


Yes, those are the ones I knew about. Is the other Rotspon son named Richmond?

[Iron Horse Farm]

Carosello, I hardly think that passing the 100 day test makes you "unseen", however what I was really asking (maybe I was not clear) was..........will representatives of breed associations be at the finals of the test as they are in Germany to approve stallions on the spot, or will stallions that pass have to wait until the following years inspections come around to then be presented to delegates from the breed organization?

Thanks,
Holly
www.ironhorserfrm.com

[Giddy-up]

"So, we will adopt a policy that owners will not be allowed to handle their stallions, ride them, longe them, graze them or groom them for the 100 days of testing."

This alone would be enough for me to not send my horse to this program. In essence, you turn over total control of a young, developing stallion to strangers. Granted, strangers with a long history of involvement in warmblood breeding. That's still a lot to ask, especially in consideration of some of the horror stories we have all heard about past testing experiences. Thoughts?

I am not a SO & while I understand the intent to create a level playing field by treating each stallion equally I would be quite bummed to drive 6 hours (and for others it's many more) only to look at my horse.

[DownYonder]

Unlike most registries operating in North America, GOV (Oldenburg) uses inspectors for young stallions that are approved to inspect stallions in Germany. It is nearly impossible to get such inspectors over here at that time of year, with the big Oldenburg stallion licensing taking place in Germany in late November. There has also been the political climate to consider at the N.A. 100 DT. Oldenburg hasn’t been particularly welcome at those tests in the past, although this sentiment seems to be changing now that AHS is taking a more active role in overseeing the testing.

And to confirm what Carosello said – Oldenburg does accept the results of the 100 DT, but it still requires that stallions be presented for inspection before licensing them. And, to clarify - because this always seems to generate some questions – Oldenburg does NOT accept the N.A. 30DT as anything other than a 30DT. Those stallions that complete only the 30DT can only be granted a temporary breeding license by Oldenburg. If they don’t meet the regular performance requirements within an allotted timeframe, their breeding license will expire. I am speaking of the 30 DT for horses, not ponies.

[ahf]

"So, we will adopt a policy that owners will not be allowed to handle their stallions, ride them, longe them, graze them or groom them for the 100 days of testing."

This alone would be enough for me to not send my horse to this program. In essence, you turn over total control of a young, developing stallion to strangers. Granted, strangers with a long history of involvement in warmblood breeding. That's still a lot to ask, especially in consideration of some of the horror stories we have all heard about past testing experiences. Thoughts?

I don't have a problem with the requirement. It was put in place to prevent doping or unauthorized medications. I don't see any other (reasonable/workable) way to accomplish that.

Yeah, it's hard to drive 14 hours roundtrip to just look at my stallion, but if it keeps the playing field level I'm okay with it. It's 100 days, and though it feels like a lifetime, it's not.

[DownYonder]

I don't have a problem with the requirement. It was put in place to prevent doping or unauthorized medications. I don't see any other (reasonable/workable) way to accomplish that.

I agree, I think it is important to ensure that the horses don't get unauthorized pharmaceutical "assistance".

And for those that missed the earlier post pointing to the official list of stallions - here it is.

Amadeus/Oldenburg
Argosy-Raja’s Ebony xx, by Rajamon xx
Foaled 5/20/00
Owner/Breeder: Paula Brito, Utah

Bravo/Oldenburg
Bugatti Hilltop-Gauguin’s Idea, by Gauguin de Lully
Foaled 5/24/04
Owner: Chris Misita, California
Breeder: Evelyn Morley, Oregon

Confetti/Rheinland
Conteur-SPS Florenz/Feuerfunke xx
Foaled 2/23/04
Owner: Beth Vanderploeg and Dimitriy Kokoshkin, Michigan
Breeder: Leonie and Georg Kellerwessel, Germany

Fielding/Hanoverian
Fred Astair-Lesley/Lessing
Foaled 3/13/04
Owner/Breeder: Kate Palmquist, Virginia

Fuerst Impression/Hanoverian
Fuerst Heinrich-Roxana/Regazzoni
Foaled 3/17/03
Owner: Angela Barilar, Maryland
Breeder: Lueder Koepke, Germany

Gatsby/Oldenburg
Gonzo I-Kalua Song xx/Seattle Song xx
Foaled 2/13/99
Owner: Bill Wilton, Oregon
Breeder: Gumz Farms, Indiana

Highlight/Hanoverian
His Highness-Lauria/Lauries Crusador xx
Foaled 2/1/04
Owner: Oak Hill Ranch, Louisiana
Breeder: Hans-Henning Decken, Germany

Imparable/Oldenburg
Impresario-Pizzaz/Parabol
Foaled 4/26/04
Owner: Sara Patterson, Idaho
Breeder: Performance Plus Sporthorses, Idaho

Rapture R/Hanoverian
Rotspon-EM Damaris/Donnerhall
Foaled 1/31/01
Owner: Ken and Roberta Falk, Virginia
Breeder: Joachim Tobaben, Germany

Remy G. J./ Swedish
Rubignon-Ensenada/Exlibris
Foaled 5/3/04
Owner/Breeder: Tisha Green, Utah

Reuben SF/Oldenburg
Foaled 2004
Owner/Breeder: Jane Sommers, California

Richmond H. L./Hanoverian
Rotspon-Davinia/Davignon
Foaled 4/4/04
Owner/Breeder: Lucile Mulky Broadley, North Carolina

Saracen/Oldenburg
Scimitar-Damoiselle/Davignport
Foaled 4/5/02
Owner/Breeder: Michael and Jean Bitely, West Virginia

Sir Wanabi/Hanoverian
Foaled 2002
Owner: Sandra Laprise, Ontario

Vinca/NAWPN
Metall-Perennial/Idocus
Foaled 5/12/02
Owner: Virginia Parker and Virginia Craley, Pennsylvania
Breeder: Parker and Virginia Craley, Maryland

Wamberto/KWPN
Rousseau-Olinda, by Voltaire
Foaled 5/20/03
Owner: Harmony Sporthorses, Colorado
Breeder: L. Heida, Netherlands

Worthy Opponent/Hanoverian
Waikiki-Hoheit/Hohenstein
Foaled 3/2/03
Owner: Dana Estes, California
Breeder: Horst and Jeannine Peterson, Germany

The AHS site didn't list the breeding of Reuben SF, but I believe it is Regazzoni-Tequini/Frohwind.

Sounds like a nice group of horses. Bravo to all the owners who are taking the leap of faith. I wish all of you the best of luck!

[Fairview Horse Center]

I would think you can still probably visit and pat your boy, just not "do" anything with him.

I do wish that Suzanne Quarles was going to be present for 100 days though, not 9 or 10?

[ise@ssl]

Chris - please don't give people the impression that GOV personnel were "not welcome" at the past tests - that's just not true. I attended a test that a rep from GOV attended and he was treated like any other person there and did spend time speaking with the organizers and the judges.

As far as wanting Suzanne Quarles there for the 100 days - the woman has a very successful business and leaving it for 3 months would be more than any testing could as of any qualified professional.

I hope they all do well and look forward to attending both the mid-test on Saturday September 22 and the final testing in November. The mid-test is open to the public and the ISR/OLDNA will be hosting a barbecue to celebrate the registry's 25 year anniversary. Heike Kemmerer will the there on Sunday/Monday to give a clinic but will arrive the week before to work with the stallions/riders.

If you haven't been to a final testing and you are considering standing a stallion it would be a great opportunity to see up close and personal the facility, riders and phases of the final test.

[DownYonder]

Chris - please don't give people the impression that GOV personnel were "not welcome" at the past tests - that's just not true. I attended a test that a rep from GOV attended and he was treated like any other person there and did spend time speaking with the organizers and the judges..

That is great to hear, and a bit of a change from other years when GOV people were not exactly encouraged to attend. Who was the Oldenburg rep that you are referring to, and what year?

As far as wanting Suzanne Quarles there for the 100 days - the woman has a very successful business and leaving it for 3 months would be more than any testing could as of any qualified professional.

I too wish she was going to be there more often, but I fully understand how difficult it is for any professional horseperson to leave their established business for 3 months. I think everyone is just happy that there is someone there AT ALL that the stallion owners can turn to with their questions, concerns, etc. I think (HOPE!!) that Suxanne's involvement will go a long way in helping to alleviate some of the issues from past testings.

[talloaks]

Thanks DownYonder for posting the list of stallions attending the 100 Day Test. Now all we need to do is find pictures or links to these boys so we can see what they look like. Some I have seen but others I have never heard of so it would be very educational to see the boys!! :D

[tri]

" was..........will representatives of breed associations be at the finals of the test as they are in Germany to approve stallions on the spot, or will stallions that pass have to wait until the following years inspections come around to then be presented to delegates from the breed organization? "

"Unlike most registries operating in North America, GOV (Oldenburg) uses inspectors for young stallions that are approved to inspect stallions in Germany. It is nearly impossible to get such inspectors over here at that time of year, with the big Oldenburg stallion licensing taking place in Germany in late November. There has also been the political climate to consider at the N.A. 100 DT."

Too bad we don't have a system developed here in the U.S. that is for our market and our breeders that provides the strict testing but doesn't put yet another layer of prohibition, cost, extra time on producing an end product making us even more uncompetitive with europe sport horse production.

[maple_brook]

:sleepy::sleepy: *yawn* Tri...same story, different thread. Don't you get tired of posting the same negative crap everywhere? Seriously, this is a positive thread about the testing with the hopes that this one will go smoother for all involved and be an improvement for US breeders.

I'm excited and keeping my fingers crossed for everyone!

Hey ahf...any chance you can email me a recent photo of your boy? Would love to see how he has matured.

[ise@ssl]

If I remember correctly there was a GOV rep at Rancho Murieta - I wouldn't know his name but I'm sure I can check with other people to see if they remember. There might also have been one of their people at the first Paxton Farm test. Any official from any registry is able to attend the mid-test and final testing just any other person is - no one has every been restricted, nor treated badly.

I have to assume the reps that came felt the testing was up to their standards because they have been accepting the results for stallions presented to them for approval.

[DownYonder]

If I remember correctly there was a GOV rep at Rancho Murieta - I wouldn't know his name but I'm sure I can check with other people to see if they remember. There might also have been one of their people at the first Paxton Farm test. Any official from any registry is able to attend the mid-test and final testing just any other person is - no one has every been restricted, nor treated badly.

I have to assume the reps that came felt the testing was up to their standards because they have been accepting the results for stallions presented to them for approval.

Which Rancho Murieta - 1996, or 2000? (I assume you didn't mean one of the earlier ones there, before ISR and Oldenburg parted company).

And yes, Oldenburg does accept the results of the N.A. 100DT - as long as it continues to be run along the lines of a German long test.

[DownYonder]

Too bad we don't have a system developed here in the U.S. that is for our market and our breeders that provides the strict testing but doesn't put yet another layer of prohibition, cost, extra time on producing an end product making us even more uncompetitive with europe sport horse production.

Kathy, as I asked on the other thread - how would YOU go about fixing the system here? I am sure I am not the only one that is curious to hear your ideas.

As far as Americans producing an end product that makes us even more uncompetitive with Europe - oh, please. We are producing better and better sport horse foals every year in this country BECAUSE we are using European breeding philosophies. Many breeders have upgraded their mare bands and are using top quality stallions now, whereas in the past they just used whatever mare they had or could get for cheap, and bred her to the closest "sporthorse type" stallion without much understanding of bloodlines, phenotype OR genotype. The European system has been a huge benefit to breeders here in helping them understand how to pick better mares and stallions. We do still need to work on getting our good trainers to shop here, but that is getting better and better as the dollar continues to weaken against the Euro. I am getting calls on a weekly basis now from people looking for good young horses to bring up through the levels or through the FEI Y/H classes, and I don't even breed anymore!

[Portia]

I can understand that it must be difficult not to be allowed to handle (that's not to say pet and love on) your young horse for 100 days, but it does seem reasonable to try to prevent any illegal conduct, particularly given the importance of temperment to stallion approvals.

If a stallion owner does not like the way their stallion is being handled or is worried about its condition for some reason, there is a way for them to make their concerns known, isn't there? If the concerns are reasonable, do the testing officials make reasonable adjustments to address them? And if the owner is truly concerned and does not believe the horse is being treated well, they can always withdraw the stallion, can't they (recognizing that is a very difficult and unsatisfactory solution)?

I'm not trying to raise controversy here, I don't know what happened in past testings or what the issues were. I'm just interested.

[Iron Horse Farm]

That list just looks incredible...to see Ex Libris and Voltaire so close in some of those pedigrees also means that some of those grand older lines can be passed on again (assuming that those boys pass). I have already put in my request for the time off of work. I can't wait to go.
Will there also be pony stallions?

Holly
www.ironhorsefrm.com

[DownYonder]

Portia, I think that is the point of having Suzanne Quarles as an advocate for the stallion owners. She apparently has the authority to make sure that their concerns are addressed. I do not know, though, if an SO can withdraw their stallion without the approval of the testing director. In past testings, the SOs had to surrender their stallion's registration passports and they did not get them back until after the testing was finished. The test organizers did not want people pulling their stallions because of fears it would skew the results and put the testing in a bad light, so the owners were not allowed to easily pull their stallions out.

[DownYonder]

That list just looks incredible...to see Ex Libris and Voltaire so close in some of those pedigrees also means that some of those grand older lines can be passed on again (assuming that those boys pass). I have already put in my request for the time off of work. I can't wait to go.
Will there also be pony stallions?

Holly
www.ironhorsefrm.com

I agree, it looks like a really interesting list. There are several on there that really intrigue me!

[CuriosoJorge]

I do not know, though, if an SO can withdraw their stallion without the approval of the testing director.

That's another HUGE red flag to me, if true. My horse, my money, my choice whether or not to continue with the process every step of the way. Very interesting.

[DownYonder]

That's another HUGE red flag to me, if true. My horse, my money, my choice whether or not to continue with the process every step of the way. Very interesting.

As I said, that was the policy in the past. I do not know if that is still the policy or not. I also do not know if the SOs get partial refunds on a prorated basis if they pull their stallions out.

[ahf]

Down Yonder does not have a horse at the test. I do, and will look up the withdrawal language when I get home tonight.

We need to keep addressing these little red flags of yours Curioso...though I think we've pretty much established this 100DT process is not for you. That's fine. It's not for everyone.

You haven't mentioned.....did my explaination of the "why" of the restrictions on handling come in clear for you?

Any other "red flags" one of us that have a stallion actually at the test this year, not last time or 15 years ago...any other questions we might be able to answer for you?

I'm going to do my level best not to let this thread turn into a snark-fest.

[DownYonder]

Down Yonder does not have a horse at the test. I do, and will look up the withdrawal language when I get home tonight.

Thanks, AHF. I was hoping you would come on here to answer some of these questions about the current test. ;)

[MagicRoseFarm]

We are producing better and better sport horse foals every year in this country BECAUSE we are using European breeding philosophies.

Sorry, please don't lump me into your "we" because I am use my own original philosophies, based on my own choices and on my American market, not someone else's...they may be based in part on statistics created in other countries, but they are still MY OWN.

[buschkn]

Being that the Europeans have been breeding WBs for the sporthorse disciplines for many generations before we even thought about it, I do not think it should be considered ill-advised to study their breeding philosphies. I agree with the poster who said we are breeding better horses in this country.

I am also happy that the 100DT is underway and that there is a representative to address equine welfare and owner concerns. I will be interested to hear how it goes as I have two colts this year that I am hoping will be possible stallion cadidates for the future. Best of luck to all the stallion owners, and especially to our own ahf/Kate!! :)

[tri]

Exactly, MagicRose.

I do get tired of people saying that we are just now breeding great sport horses since the european system has been adopted. Americans have been breeding great sport horses actually for sport - versus farm horses - for many many years and long before some of the european studbooks started breeding anything other than farm and cavelry horses.

Just because the breeders in the beginnings of euro wb breeding in this country used some pretty bad mares and a lot of imported reject stallions doesn't mean that there wasn't a WHOLE world of sporthorse breeding going on outside of that system that has produced most of what is American bred and int'l quality in this country. For pete's sake, Chris, don't you know that there were and still are breeders in this country whose mare lines have been tracked, proven and are very much sought after and they have NOTHING to do with euro wbs? Saying that the very small group of people that makes up euro wb breeders have improved upon those people's decades of success is a slap in the face. You wish you could have had as much success with your euro system.

[Nootka]

Being that the Europeans have been breeding WBs for the sporthorse disciplines for many generations before we even thought about it, I do not think it should be considered ill-advised to study their breeding philosphies. I agree with the poster who said we are breeding better horses in this country.

I am also happy that the 100DT is underway and that there is a representative to address equine welfare and owner concerns.

I agree

[DownYonder]

Tri - Yes, of course we used to breed great dressage and jumping horses with no Euro WB blood. And we still breed great hunters and eventers with no Euro WB blood. HOWEVER – dressage and show jumping have been dominated by the Euro WBs for how many years now? Where are our great American breds with no Euro blood on the international rankings? And with eventing now going to the short format, we are going to see more and more WBs and WB crosses dominate in eventing, too. How are we going to compete at the top international levels with only American breds with no Euro blood? Honestly, Kathy, are you really so blinded by your hatred of Europeans that you cannot SEE how the Euro WB systems have helped us here?

[carosello]

If I remember correctly there was a GOV rep at Rancho Murieta - I wouldn't know his name but I'm sure I can check with other people to see if they remember. There might also have been one of their people at the first Paxton Farm test. Any official from any registry is able to attend the mid-test and final testing just any other person is - no one has every been restricted, nor treated badly.

I have to assume the reps that came felt the testing was up to their standards because they have been accepting the results for stallions presented to them for approval.


I think the thing that needs to be mentioned... if the colt was looked at before he went (and went with GOV's blessing) then I do not believe he would need to be reinspected.

But if they had not seen him since he was a foal, or if he is from another registry- then yes he would need to be inspected and passing his inspection with his passing 100 DT scores he could become approved for breeding with them.

Stallions do not automatically get approved just because they have a passing 100DT score. Im sure each registry has additional requirements that each stallion must qualify for.

[tri]

DownYonder, now you are just blanket making things up. I do not hate europeans. I have been to quite a few stallion testings, mare shows, inspections and farms in quite a few countries and count many friends there. You are going the route of the "I don't like what you are saying, so now I'm going to lie about you." Stop. You just make yourself look silly.

Yes, the styles have changed in the show rings. The warmbloods that are winning now, would have been laughed off the field a few short years ago. That does not mean that the good folks who bred some of the top horses back then needed to learn from a bunch of newbie wb breeders.

But truely, Chris. Have you looked at what american bred horses are in international competitions??? They aren't, for the most part, any euro registered american bred warmbloods. No. Most are not and most have an American TB parent that has never ever trotted a triangle in its life.

Please don't continue to make things up such as falsely saying I don't think we should have wb blood in our breeding programs. And, you are once again confused by the difference in the "euro wb breeding philosophy" and "blind adherence to a foreign owned/controlled system" You can have one without the other, you know.

[ise@ssl]

But let's not forget that the EUROPEANS have chenged the TYPE of horse they are breeding as well and using TB blood to create even more refinement.

I agree that if you look at the average sporthorse in the US in past decades you will see a more refined horse but if you look at the average sporthorse in Europe in past decades you will definltely see a much HEAVIER horse.

Wouldn't it then appear that we've learned something from them BUT (and many over the pond won't admit it) they've learned something from our breeding programs as well.

[ahf]

" Stallion may only be withdrawn with the permission of SST when accompanied by a veterinarian certificate from the SST veterinarian attesting to an injury or disease which prevents the Stallion from further participating in the training and testing. In the event a Stallion is withdrawn with the permission of SST, Owner shall receive a refund of all payments made with the exception of a fee of $85.00 per day for each day the Stallion has been in the care and custody of SST plus a $250.00 administration fee. "

Implied is that no, you can't pull your stallion because it looks like he won't pass. If he gets hurt, you can. Which only makes sense when you think about it.

One thing I DO remember about the last test was there was a lot of consideration by the other posters on this board, whether they believed in the 100DT system or not, to keep a lid on this taxing speculation until the test was over in deference to those CoTH members of the CoTH commuity who had a stallion at the test and were stressing about it. But that was when we HAD a breeders community. That would be past tense.

This thread, like all others on this board in the last 6 months has already turned into a snark-fest in just a few hours. I just do not have the emotional currency to spend on it.

Y'all have at it. I'm tired, I'm stressing about my stallion just like the other 16 owners at the test, and I'm outta here.

[MagicRoseFarm]

My mother took lessons and was a working student for an FEI level instructor in the US in the 1950's.... the SPORT ( and Sport Horse Breeding) is not all that NEW here,, just newER to the MASSES........ I rode my first warmblood at age 12, when I outgrew a pony, and I am 48.....Some of you are a bit late on the wagon....Hanoverians were documented in Chicago in the late 1800's...I believe they were a six horse coach of chestnuts with Flaxen mane and tails used to transport their owner and his guests to the Opera...

There will be much progress in our own evolution in the "International Industry of Sport Horses" now that the snowball is growing....Our OWN testing program (and competition documentation) is a necessary part of this evolution, so I am happy to see so many measures being taken to ensure its success.
I am also quite pleased to see so many fine American Breeding Programs represented.

I wish all of those who have so much foresight, thought, love, patience, time, and equity invested the very very best and hope that their investments and successes are well rewarded by their fellow American Breeders in the future.

[sid]

I really am hesitant to step in here, but I'm going to throw in my two cents as I see fiery subject continues to erupt. That should not override this thread as we should all be pulling for the stallions here in America that are in the test. I for one, am thrilled that a person of Suzanne Quarles caliber is involved as the SO's advocate. She's raised and stood great stallions that I'm sure she dearly loved to old age ...those should be credentials enough.

I'm not new to this "game" and controversy. I am owner of 3 stallions. Fabulous horses in temperament and in work. Three diffenent scenarios, so all you new and confused SO's take heed:

One was selected to Holland's 100 DT among 700 inspected. He was injured in a stall accident, but went on to far exceed sport requirement for approval and later in life, after performing for years. He didn't breed, but at the end of his career obtained his lifetime breeding approval from two excellent registries. I have another stallion that I bred and raised who is in this world for those who want to foxhunt and do about ,anything , but not with the with the Euro credentials to be "tested. Then I have another that was deemed a stallion "prospect" at the Elite Mare/Foal Auction in Verden who was imported as a weaning. SO...I run the gamet of scenarios with stallion ownership of varying backgrounds.... and as well as from the marketing and audience perspective. I only say this to help give me a little credibility for those nay sayers who think SO's are only in it for the money/pride. We're in it for the owners. One stands stallions for a specific purpose. Hopefully breeding "up" is the intended purpose regardless of the chosen venue.

Tri, I think what you are saying is true to an extent, but it is out of context in today's horse world. Absolutely, the U.S. has been breeding outstanding horses but for only two centuries. Certain types of horses have been propogated as specialized "breeds" primarily for developing this relatively new country -- horses for specialized work in the field, in conquering the expansive west, for driving cattle to feed our citizens..and also for transportation by carriage and "solo" (single riding). Cripes, our geographically HUGE country was only able to be developed, farmed and industrialized due to the selective breeding of "types" of horses to specialized ends. There was no "royalty" to keep horses for pure pleasure...later only the very wealthy did and thus was born the "Sport of Kings" here in the U.S. The TB racing horse by spectators was for and gambling. and so it is with Olympic discipline horses we are now breeding. Consider the time line between the continents and you'll understand the disparity.

Smaller countries and provinces in Europe did the same thing we are now trying to do...only that started hundreds of centuries before our country was even discovered. They did selective breeding for their own development purposes centuries ago. And their needs were less and accomplished sooner because they were geographically smaller than our massive country. It's no wonder that they developed the venue of spectator sports for pure pleasure of the horse and it's ability to compete against another, once they were "settled". Horse against horse and rider against rider. Their specialization for that endeavor put them centuries ahead regarding "sport" horses for recreation and contest. It stands to reason that now America's specialized horses for our purposes of the past are more idle, we want to get in the game of non-agricultural, pure pleasure, competive mounts who are extraordinary in the 3 disciplines. We're just not there yet. Our wonderful American competitive nature seems to be fueling this constant arguement. There's no point in being jealous about the disparity in "U.S. breeds" vs. Euro breeds and ability. in those venues. It's all about time, history and purpose of the breedings.

Those good folks who started importing the kind of blood needed for the Olympic disciplines are to be commended. It's even more exciting that they (the Euros...notably the GOV,RPSI, ISR/Old) still see that we have good horses here and are inclusive of them in their breeding endeavors to produce Olympic discipline horses and are willing to infuse our own stock (mostly TB's who are America's pride in our racing sport). But they're not going to dumb down just because we have the money or complain. Good for them. You can scream all you want.

On the other hand and what we Americans find cofusing and possibly "political" are the "Closed books" to TB's -- or making performance standards for them higher than their own pulbished standards for their own blood. This activity personally continues to leave me suspect, and reeks of their breeding goals being more based on their own economic gain iin wanting to sell and exporti mares instead of looking at and using the very fine ones that we have here (that's another saga!). That is why I so strongly support those registries that are "open" to wonderful American bred horses with pedigrees and performance records to prove it.

Regardless of my measly opinion, the fact that "dressage horses" and "jumping horses" for the pure pleasure of competitive sport was developed in Europe is no secret that it was mastered a LONG time before we, as a country, were able to afford such luxury. Tri, you need to get over that.

Forgive me for ranting... let's just enjoy this 100DT of these finely selected stallions and be thankful Suzanne is there to make sure that those who turn their beloved stallions over to strangers have the peace of mind that their "boys" are being taken care of in the true manner of good horsemanship.

[coriander]

Well said, sid. Thank you.

[Flower Farm]

My stallion, Vinca, is currently at the 100 Day Test. His face was badly injured while in his stall on day number 3. While I believe that he is being attended to, the conditions there are difficult for the stallions, especially in the face of 100 degree temperatures. With stitches and, I would imagine, some considerable pain, Vinca is continuing to do his job with great bravery and tremendous class. While I worry that his overall chances for success may be jeopardized simply because he cannot put his best foot forward with such an injury, I am putting my faith in a horse that was born into my lap. I also am trusting the Testing process and, especially, those who are taking care of my boy. For Vinca, this is truly the ultimate test. That being said. . . I have had 9 sleepless nights and I'm on my way to Paxton Farm tomorrow to see for myself that he is okay!! Yipee!!
www.flowerfarmhorses.com

[clint]

My hat is off to you stallion owners; I hope for the best for the testing, and I'm holding my breath for a super outcome for all the stallions, and for the testing in general.:yes: Sid, that was a great post and ahf, don't give up on this thread. Vinca, I'm so sorry your boy has an injury; please post when you have seen him.

[CuriosoJorge]

AHF, I hope you're still reading. You are right that I have no dog in this fight. Before this particular thread, I truly did not realize that the stallion owners really lost every shred of care, custody, and control for the duration of the test. I understand that the restrictions are to supposedly level the playing field. My point is that if I personally spent a lot of money/time to develop a young stallion, I would have a VERY difficult time turning him over to relative strangers for considerable testing while paying a pretty penny to do it. I salute those of you who sent your stallions. I hope that everything goes well for all of them. It is NOT something I could do to a young stallion of my own. Stories like Flower Farm's only confirm that opinion. I am not trying to be argumentative or snarky; as I said, before this thread I did not fully understand how dictatorial the testing is.

It is ironic to me as a hunter rider that my discipline is often bashed or chided on these forums for blind trainer devotion, and yet that seems to be expected and in fact even demanded by the testing staff. At least if I have a falling out with my trainer I can move my horse to another barn. In this case, the stallion owner seems to have no choice, other than choosing to prove the stallion via performance if that is an option in their registry.

Again, best of luck to all of you! :)

[ise@ssl]

How we handle or make decisions about "care, custody & control" of our horses - stallions or otherwise, is an individual issue. Every stallion owner can make a choice to put the stallion through the testing or pursue lifetime licensing through performance. Yes there is a time factor after the initial approval - but that is - again - a business & personal decision.
We have a pony stallion that was in training in Germany to go to the testing last year but then the test was cancelled. Because he had trained for the test we opted to send him through a test in Germany. I cannot tell you anything about the location, care, custody or control because I couldn't get there to watch. He passed with a very high score and was tired, sore and lost some weight but I expected that.

Horses can injure themselves, any gender, any time. Horses going to new locations - JMHO - seem to be at a higher risk for injuries because it is a strange place, with new people, surroundings, schedules, etc. And sometimes really lousy things happen.

I think we all turn over care, custody and control of horses whenever we turn them over to someone else for training. Testing pushes it up a notch, as does competing.

[STF]

Hats off to you who are doing the testings with your boys.
Im such a control freak that I dont even let people clean their stalls, no less write over full custody of them. :(
I cant even imagine the stress some of you SO's are having with your stallions gone.
Hugs to all of you,
LaNet

[flshgordon]

Flower & AHF, LOTS of luck to you both..I hope your boys do well!

[Trevelyan]

My stallion, Vinca, is currently at the 100 Day Test. His face was badly injured while in his stall on day number 3. While I believe that he is being attended to, the conditions there are difficult for the stallions, especially in the face of 100 degree temperatures. With stitches and, I would imagine, some considerable pain, Vinca is continuing to do his job with great bravery and tremendous class. While I worry that his overall chances for success may be jeopardized simply because he cannot put his best foot forward with such an injury, I am putting my faith in a horse that was born into my lap. I also am trusting the Testing process and, especially, those who are taking care of my boy. For Vinca, this is truly the ultimate test. That being said. . . I have had 9 sleepless nights and I'm on my way to Paxton Farm tomorrow to see for myself that he is okay!! Yipee!!
www.flowerfarmhorses.com

flower farm
So sorry to hear about your beautiful boy. I was so impressed with him at the Inspections at Hilltop. Please report back and let us know how he is doing. Meanwhile, kudos to all the owners of stallions attending the testing.
We had one go thru and pass in 2002 so can relate.
Wishing you and your boys all the very best...keep us posted:)

[Tiki]

Excellent post Sid. I remember from when I was a kid work horses in the streets all the time. My father talked often about the wonderful fire horses - how they all lived in straight stalls, facing out. When the fire alarm rang in the station the firemen pushed a button that dropped the harness down onto the horses and they fretted and pranced waiting for the firement to fasten the harness. Once fastened they released the horses and they all ran to the firetruck and jumped the traces into their places, again waiting impatiently to be hooked to the truck. The doors opened and the horses raced out of the station looking right and left waiting for direction from the driver. When they got closer to the fire they charged on their own towards the smoke and flames. Professional horses proud and anxious to do their jobs. About all we have left of that era are the Budweiser demonstration teams. Alas, I wish I could have seen the wonderful fire horses for myself instead of just through my Dad's eyes. He said that he and a friend of his were sometimes allowed to ride them bareback to their fields for well deserved rest. What a memory!! Specific horses for specific jobs.

[tri]

Sid, that is an excellent post. You may be forgetting the QH history - the big landowners (your royality, perhaps?) of the west who had the money and time, importing French and English TBs to cross on the native horses. They became cavelry mounts, light agriculture horses and were often raced through the towns on the weekends.

Please don't believe some of the posters here who are lying about my feelings of the euro warmblood. My entire breeding program is euro warmbloods with my foundation mares imported from Holland and Germany.

I am a true believer of the euro warmblood breeding philosophy. That is why it makes me mad to see it executed so poorly here in the U.S. Take for example, the 100 day test. Would all of you who have sent your boys there for this 2008 testing have done so if there haven't been changes? Would those changes have been made if it hadn't been for people like me and many many others voicing so many complaints about it?

We need to all be open to what is going to work for the American markets instead of blindly following a system that lends itself to failure. Yes, it works wonderfully in europe. Saying that it doesn't work so wonderfully here shouldn't bring about the animosity, personal attacks and lies that it does from those certain people, but unfortunately it does.

[Brutust]

I dont think Sir Wanabi is a SH grandson... he is by Santorini (Sunlight/Dirk) out of a mare by Lortzing/ Leibwaechter... he has been bougth at the RCMP auction as a 2yo or 3yo if my memory is right.

He is a very nice stallion btw. No that much advertized, but I was positively impressed by is appearance at the Old/Na licencing.

;)

Sir Wanabi won championships in hunter classes last year and won a few 5 year old jumper classes this year. He was reserve champion stallion at the Canadian Warmblood Horse Breeders Association Stallion test in 2006 and all four foals shown at the Oldenburg NA Foal Inspection this year were rated premium (a filly was site champion filly and a colt, site reserve champion colt). He sires elegant looking foals with great movements.

[YankeeLawyer]

" Stallion may only be withdrawn with the permission of SST when accompanied by a veterinarian certificate from the SST veterinarian attesting to an injury or disease which prevents the Stallion from further participating in the training and testing. In the event a Stallion is withdrawn with the permission of SST, Owner shall receive a refund of all payments made with the exception of a fee of $85.00 per day for each day the Stallion has been in the care and custody of SST plus a $250.00 administration fee. "

Implied is that no, you can't pull your stallion because it looks like he won't pass. If he gets hurt, you can. Which only makes sense when you think about it.
.

I think the only implication is that if you withdraw for reasons other than the above, you do not get a refund. Is there a provision elsewhere that provides for any additional penalty for withdrawal for "other" reasons (e.g., you simply think the test is not a good fit for the stallion)?

[YankeeLawyer]

Flower --
Your stallion is gorgeous (and I adore Metall as well). I hope he makes a speedy recovery!

[Flower Farm]

Thank you! I am so relieved to report that Vinca is doing great and his nose has healed very well. Only 35 days to go. . . But who's counting?! Thanks to all who have been sending good thoughts!

[Mardi]

Did Wamberto make it to the tesing ? Anyone know ?

[misita]

Yes. Wamberto is there and doing well at the mid-terms.:)

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[misita]

And....by the way Flower Farm, they did a great job on Vinca's nose. I couldn't even tell he had such a horrid injury. He looks fabulous!

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[Vineyard Eventing]

I know very few people even knew he was injured, but I got good news from the TD yesterday that Worthy Opponent (AKA Archie) got released from the vet to go back to work too. Poor guy banged his tendon the night after the mid term presentation and has been out of commission since then! Misita, I finally have a small understanding of how you feel with Bravo being out for so long! I'm panicking over missing 16 days! Here your boy missed nearly 40! But he got ridden for the first time yesterday and hopefully is keeping all 4 feet on the ground as he comes back from his banged tendon.

I was quite impressed with the care from the vet and Helmut. They were VERY on top of his injury, immediately putting poltice (how do you spell that??) on it and wrapping it, getting 2 ultrasounds done on it, handwalking Archie every day for 1/2 hour so he didn't go completely crazy. We still have no idea how he did it, but he had to have done it literally in his stall as he did not have it on Saturday night following the mid term, and Sunday morning, there it was. :confused: But now he's BBBAAAAAACKKKKKK and hopefully won't be trailing the pack too badly... I hope I hope I hope! :)

[misita]

It's poultice Vineyard Eventing. I thought it was poulstice, but I looked it up and it's poultice. I'm so glad Archie is back to work and I really hope he doesn't toss somebody like somebody else we know. I'll never tell who! I'm sure Archie will be good but it's really hard being kept in a stall day in and day out. How many days left????:confused: 29??? Oh Gosh!!! There goes my stomach again!:eek:

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[Vineyard Eventing]

29 days left?!?! AHHH!!! My stomach just went too!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm sure our boys will be good though.... (yeah right!) :lol: Archie will be fine so long as there isn't a single jump anywhere in the entire vicinity of Ohio while he's being ridden, since he seems to have found some long lost passion for jumping that must have been a recessive trait passed on from his great great great great great grandfather!!! ;) Who ever would have known that a Dressage Stallion would passionately LOVE jumping and actually be good at it??? It makes me happy though!!! :D

Hey, has anyone heard who the guest riders are going to be yet?

[misita]

What can we get for this?? The rollercoaster stomach?? I didn't sign up for this part. My horse will be fine too, so long as nobody ________________.
I can't say it out loud. :uhoh: He might hear me and prove me right. :sadsmile:

I don't know who the guest riders are. How can we find out??? I haven't heard from Helmut and dare not call. No news is good news.

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[Foxdale Farm]

Hey guys!

I'm getting nervous too. We are actually thinking about driving out to pick Gatsby up this time instead of hiring pro. shipping, just to save $$. It will save us at least $1400, possibly $2000 if we would have decided to buy a box stall for him on the return trip. Not sure what we're gonna do yet. Chris, how are you getting Bravo home?

www.foxdalefarm.us

[Vineyard Eventing]

Hi Foxdale!

Your boy looked really good at the mid terms! Very quiet minded stallion isn't he? :)

I am planning to ship Archie with Gail again. Figured it costs about $1000 just in gas alone to drive there and back, then put hotels and such on top of that, so the price tag for shipping didn't seem so bad!!

I think Chris is doing the same because she has Bravo and Panzyr to bring back. But I'll, of course, let her answer for herself.

Looking forward to meeting you guys at the finals! Egads... 29 days and counting!!!!......

[misita]

Hi There Bill and Lori. Dana and I are trying to figure out which drugs to buy to help our stomachs. Do you have any ideas?

I'll will be trailering with Dana and I will be bringing both Bravo and Panzyr home. I think you remember the Pablo colt Lori originally contacted me on? I'm bringing him home from VA. Gail might have one more stall because we lost one horse from over here. She drives about 500 miles a day. Then she stables all for the night. So probably, I'm guessing, 10 hours a day of driving. They're very responsible and call daily if you like.

Gatsby is looking so good. What a gentleman! He's so elegant!

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[Foxdale Farm]

Can't wait to meet you guys too! Thanks for your kind words about Gatsby. Another stallion owner called us to report what she saw and she, too, commented on his wonderful nature. What's so cool about that is his VERY STRONG propensity to pass that to his kids. I feel very blessed and I hope to find the right mare cross to produce another stallion by him soon!

Hopefully we won't be too strung out from the trip by the time we meet everybody. I have to confess that I'm a little nervous about the "formal" gathering. Out here in the Northwest there is no such thing as formal. I will have to go shopping for an appropriate outfit!

www.foxdalefarm.us

[Foxdale Farm]

Chris, you were writing the same time I was! I absolutely cannot wait to meet you. I feel like we are kindred spirits after all this! Ugh...what a HUGE feat - emotionally, spiritually, financially. It's hard to believe it's almost over. I think once he gets back I will set up a cot outside his stall just to be near him and wake up the next day to find that he's in Oregon, not Ohio! Wow. Anyway, stomach drugs - no clue, sorry! I just keep watching old episodes of that comedy sitcom from the '90's, Third Rock from the Sun so I can just laugh and keep my mind off things. I bought all the seasons. So I'm a little quirky. You can't be completely sane and do all this stuff, can you????

www.foxdalefarm.us

[Vineyard Eventing]

Seriously? Formal Gathering! :eek: I don't think I fit into my prom dresses anymore! Does anyone have any info on said "formal gaterhing"? Will black riding pants and tall boots suffice?

I really want to know who the guest riders are going to be. There was that one guy from a Stallion Station in Germany, I can't remember his name, but he made every stallion look just amazing! I would give just about anything to have him ride my stallion and see what he can do with him. Anyone remember his name? He was the one who got Galyeno Tyme to Passage in 2004. Amazing man on a horse. I hope he is one of the guest riders!! :)

[misita]

I have 1st Dibbs on the guy from the Stallion Station!!!:winkgrin: I don't have anything to wear but khacki pants and mud boots. And now....I can't afford anything else!:lol: Foxdale, I think we are definitlely kindred spirits. In fact of was thinking of trading you my 3 kids for Gatsby. They're all up to date on all their shots and worming. I can even throw in Joey's Golden Retriever dog!

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[ahf]

I'm driving up tomorrow after work for Friday's training session. I'll give all your boys a pat for you.

[Vineyard Eventing]

Give Archie's leg a kiss for me! I'd kiss it all better if he were here! No wonder it took over 2 weeks to heal! :lol:

I wish I could drive up and see my boy! You must be so close! I only got to do the beginning, mid term and final! :cry:

Thanks AHF!!!!! Give Fielding a kiss from us too!!! And get more pics of your boy for your website so we can all feel like we're there with you cheering him on!!!

[Vineyard Eventing]

Misita,

Are they current on shoes? Stand well for the farrier and vet? Easy keepers? HAHA! :lol:

[misita]

Thank you AHF!;) Please give Bravo and kiss and hug for me. Tell him it's only 1 more month. I'm soo jealous! I wish I were going with you!

Vineyard Eventing-They're current on their shoes. They do have a few disposition problems which they get from the sire side (of course). But I'm working on it and their trainability is quite good.:winkgrin:

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[Sonesta]

"Formal" is a term of art. No need to break out the prom dresses! It's used as a excuse to dress up a bit IF YOU WANT TO. People will be there in everything from nice jeans to bling bling. But you'll do fine with a nice pair of slacks and a sweater.

You'll enjoy it!

[misita]

Well it will have to be pants of some sort for when I faint. I'm not sure I have a pair of slacks except black ones. Can't khackis work?

AHF-Please do give Fielding a kiss for me too.

Did anyone find out about the guest riders or know where we can go to find out who they'll be? They must know by now.

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[HFSH]

I'll be there for the final testing! I plan to drive down Wednesday so I'm there for Thursday on. Also, put it on your calendars, Midwest Breeders Group is again doing a party on Thursday night, again at the Holiday Inn Eastgate, just like 3 yrs ago. Lots of foods/snacks/treats.

[Sonesta]

The Midwest party is DABOMB! Totally fun!

[misita]

Are we all staying at Holiday Inn, Eastgate? SO's, better make early reservations!

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[misita]

Is that Thurs. the 8th? What time?

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[ahf]

If you want to stay at the Eastgate, a.k.a. "The Party Hotel" you need to make reservations NOW! I made mine the day I dropped of Fielding at the test.

However, when they get booked, there is a Fairfield that is within walking distance.

[misita]

Thank you for the info AHF. I just made my reservations for Eastgate Holiday Inn.

Oh my! I can't wait! I'm scared to death.

[HFSH]

I made my reservations!

The party is either 8 or 8:30.

Come hungry! :yes:

[Foxdale Farm]

Chris, did you mean trade your human or your equine kids for Gatsby??

I feel better knowing I don't have to majorly dress up for the party. You guys were asking about drugs for your nerves. Since I'll be driving now instead of flying, maybe I can pack up a few bottles of some beautiful Northwest Pinot Noir. Anybody have a problem with sipping it out of plastic cups??

www.foxdalefarm.us

[Sonesta]

Wine should almost ALWAYS be sipped from plastic cups. That way when you take it out to the barn with you and drop it, you don't get glass everywhere!

And I'll bring a really good bottle of tequila!

[DennisM]

My question is -- do I need to make any "reservation" with Paxton Farm to attend? (I already have my hotel reservation.)

[copper bay farm]

My question is -- do I need to make any "reservation" with Paxton Farm to attend? (I already have my hotel reservation.)

Dennis I just got the schedule for the final 3 days and posted it on the AHS site. I think the only thing you need to make a reservation for is the "Evening with Friends" dinner - for that you can call the AHS Office.

http://www.hanoverian.org/artman2/publish/Registry_News_20/Schedule_for_finals_of_the_100-Day_Stallion_Performance_Test.shtml

BTW - Edgewood and I will be there as well! Room and flight are booked!

[talloaks]

Wine should almost ALWAYS be sipped from plastic cups. That way when you take it out to the barn with you and drop it, you don't get glass everywhere!

And I'll bring a really good bottle of tequila!


Sonesta you must be talking about the wine that comes in a box!!:lol:

[Sonesta]

Sonesta you must be talking about the wine that comes in a box!!:lol:

Au contraire! I have been known to drink a good Chassagne Montrachet from a green plastic cup while visiting the ponies to give them their nightly carrots! And one night it was Louis Roderer Crystal champagne! Course, that was a VERY special occaision.

[ljshorses]

I will be there to see the last 3 days, reservation is at the Eastgate too. I will be traveling with En Avant and Riva from COTH. I hope to meet you all. Foxdale, I am really looking forward to seeing your boy since he has a date with one of my mares this coming spring. There are many nice stallions this year, I hope they all do well.

[misita]

Chris, did you mean trade your human or your equine kids for Gatsby??

I feel better knowing I don't have to majorly dress up for the party. You guys were asking about drugs for your nerves. Since I'll be driving now instead of flying, maybe I can pack up a few bottles of some beautiful Northwest Pinot Noir. Anybody have a problem with sipping it out of plastic cups??

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Hi Bill and Lori. I meant human kids. I've had them for 20 years and want to share. As for sipping out of plastic cups....that works for me:yes:

[misita]

Oh, Bill and Lori, about the human kids...you better hurry. Dana (Worthy Opponent) is already asking about their shot history and dispositons.

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[DennisM]

Thanks, Copper Bay. I'll call the AHS office today.
And, I'll look forward to seeing you and Edgewood there. I gather that there will be quite a good sized MAHB contingent to root for our "local" stallion candidates! I'm driving, so I can chauffeur you and Edgewood around if you'd like.

[HFSH]

Just spoke to Hugh abuot the dinner party.

For the tickets:

Have a Check made payable to: "Sporthorse Stallion Testing LLC" in the amount of $38/person. Send to the AHS office.

[misita]

24 days left, and counting. Is everbody hanging in there?

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[talloaks]

Guess this is the thread where I should have posted this info so here it is:

Here is the list of participating stallions at the testing this year. This info was taken from the ISR/OLDNA website.

Stallions in the Testings 2007

Underlined stallions have a Breeding License of ISR/Oldenburg N.A.
100 Day Test
AMADEUS Oldenburg stallion, 2000
Argosy-Raja's Ebony Queen/Rajamon
Paula Brito
Riverton, UT
BRAVO Oldenburg stallion, 2004
Bugatti Hilltop*-Gauguin's Idea*/Gauguin de Lully
Chris E. Misita
Cloverdale, CA
CONFETTI Rhineland stallion, 2004
Conteur-Florenz*/Feuerfunke
E. Vanderploeg / D. Kokoshkin
Augusta, MI
FIELDING Hanoverian stallion, 2004
Fred Astair-Lesley/Lessing
Kate Palmquist
Rockbridge Baths, VA
FUERST IMPRESSION Hanoverian stallion, 2003
Fürst Heinrich-Roxana/Regazzoni
Angela Barilar
Chestertown, MD
GATSBY Oldenburg stallion, 1999
Gonzo I-Kalua Song/ Seattle Song xx
Bill Wilton
McMinnville,OR
HIGHLIGHT Hanoverian stallion, 2004
His Highness-Lauria/Lauries Crusador
Oak Hill Ranch
Folsom, LA
IMPARABLE Oldenburg stallion, 2004
Impresario*-Pizzaz/Parabol*
Sara Patterson
Boise, ID
RAPTURE R* Hanoverian stallion, 2001
Rotspon-Damaris/Donnerhall
Roberta & Ken Falk
Lexington, VA
REUBEN SF Oldenburg stallion, 2004
Regazzoni*-Tequini*/Frohwind*
Jane Sommers
Grass Valley, CA
RICHMOND HL Hanoverian stallion, 2004
Rotspon-Davinia/Davignon
Lucile Mulky Broadley
Chapel Hill, NC
SARACEN Oldenburg stallion, 2002
Scimitar-Damoiselle/Davignport
Michael & Jean Bitely
Bruceton Mills, WV
SIR WANABI Hanoverian stallion, 2002
Santorini-Lily Germaine/Lortzing
Sandra Laprise
Alfred, ONT, CANADA
VINCA Dutch stallion, 2002
Metall-Perennial/Idocus
Virginia Craley / Ginger Parker
Glen Rock, PA
WAMBERTO Dutch stallion, 2003
Rousseau-Olinda*/Voltaire
Harmony Sporthorses
Kiowa, CO
WORTHY OPPONENT Hanoverian stallion, 2003
Waikiki-Hoheit/Hohenstein
Dana Estes
Livermore, CAShort Test
RASHKA Oldenburg stallion, 2004
Raymeister-Tahka*/Opus
Ken Borden, Jr.
Wilmington, IL
VALIANT SF Dutch stallion, 2002
Iroko-Condina/Cor de la Bryere
Ken Borden, Jr.
Wilmington, IL
VERSACHE Dutch stallion, 2002
Ferro-Olivia/Idocus Crown
Bob & Laurie McLaughlin
Auburn, WA
30 Day Test Ponies
WILDWYCH ECLYPSE Connemara Pony stallion, 2003
Glenormiston Flurry K*-Wildwych Dreamtime/Aran Milano
Max & Lisa Gerdes
Browns Valley, CA

[Foxdale Farm]

24 days left, and counting. Is everbody hanging in there?

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Chris, I'm hanging in there but once Gatsby's home I'm really looking forward to the abatement of all the funky little physical (or are they mental?) symptoms I've been experiencing due to stress since all this started. Wow. I think in the long run it will have all been worth it! It will also be nice to be able to sleep through the night for once.

[Foxdale Farm]

Foxdale, I am really looking forward to seeing your boy since he has a date with one of my mares this coming spring. There are many nice stallions this year, I hope they all do well.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure he'll be looking forward to that date!

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