Grand Old Men

[DownYonder]

I am working on an article about older approved WB stallions standing in North America. I have drafted a list of stallions that I know of that are age 15 or older. Can you folks think of any others? Also, if you know of any of the following who are no longer breeding, please let me know. TIA!

Absolute - 1984
Adonis - 1992
Advocate - 1985
Again and Again - 1978
Agincourt - 1989
Alla'Czar - 1982
All the Gold - 1982
Allerhand - 1986
Alternativ – 1982
Always - 1987
Amaretto D - 1986
Andric - 1981
Anhaltiner E - 1990
Ansas - 1980
Antibes – 1991
Apache – 1986
Arlington II - 1988
Arrian – 1992
Art Deco - 1983
Aul Magic ox - 1985 (Arabian approved by ATA)
B. Rolando - 1983
Baladin d'Oc - 1989
Banter - 1984 (retired from breeding)
Bajazzo- 1979
Beach Boy - 1983
Beaujolais II - 1987
Benvolio – 1983
Boleem – 1983
Bolivar - 1983
Bordeaux - 1987
Butow - 1981
Calimero - 1984
Camiros – 1992
Campesino - 1990
Capitaan (aka Cavaleer) - 1983
Capital Hill - 1981
Carino - 1976
Coconut Grove xx - 1987 (TB approved by AHS, Oldenburg-GOV, ISR, AHHA, and KWPN-NA)
Connecticut - 1992
Consul - 1984
Corlando – 1985
Dante - 1992
Dominator - 1988
Don Alfredo – 1987
Donaufurst - 1984
Donavan – 1985
Donner Bube - 1992
Donnerkeil (Han) – 1982
Donnerkeil (Trak)- 1988
Donnerschlag – 1987
Emeer - 1985
Escudo II – 1992
E'sop's Fable - 1986
Ethos - 1978
Evergreen - 1985
Faberge - 1991
Fabius - 1983
Facet - 1987
Farrington - 1987
Favian - 1989
Feiner Stern – 1983 (retired from breeding)
Feingeist – 1992
For the Future - 1985
Freedom Z – 1987
Frohwind - 1984
Fuerst Gotthard – 1983 (retired from breeding)
Galveston – 1988
Godfather – 1990
Gold Luck – 1987
Golfball - 1982
Gouverneur - 1982
Graf Genius - 1991
Grand Mariner – 1987
Grandom – 1989
Guarantor - 1982
Guy Larouche – 1988
Hadrian – 1983
Hailo – 1986
Hall of Fame – 1989
Heling – 1989
Hennessey - 1987
Herder - 1987
Herzzauber - 1988
Hierarch - 1989
Horalas – 1992
Ibsen – 1982
Ideal – 1985
Idocus – 1990
Ijseelmeer - 1990
Ikoon - 1990
Innkeeper xx - 1988 (TB approved by ISR)
Ironman – 1992
Iroquois - 1988
Jadalco - 1986
Judgement - 1991
Just the Best - 1991
Justiz - 1982
Justiz – 1982
Juvel - 1977
Juventus – 1991
Kevekko - 1992
Khalif - 1986
Kingston – 1992
Krusader - 1989
Lafleur - 1982
Landkoenig – 1992
Landslide - 1982
Landwerder - 1990
Lanzsturm - 1979
Le Santo – 1983
Lehndorff – 1983
Lehnsritter - 1983
Leonidas – 1988
Letkiss - 1985
Linaro – 1989
Liostro - 1980
Lordship - 1990
Malachai – 1989
Mannhattan - 1991
Maronjo - 1984
Marquee – 1988
Meisterwind - 1986
Merlin - 1992
Mezcalero - 1987
Mister A - 1984
Musing - 1987
Neblehorn - 1978 (retired from breeding)
Noble Champion – 1988
Onassis – 1984 (retired from breeding)
Oskar II – 1990
Pablo – 1988
Pajou – 1987
Palladium - 1987
Parabol – 1983
Pennant - 1984
Pfeifen - 1982
Phantast – 1988
Pilox – 1991
Pointmaker - 1991
Polarmond - 1979
Portofino – 1983
Potentate - 1983
Prince of Prussia – 1991
Prince Optimus - 1988
Prinz Habicht – 1992
Puerto d’Azur – 1992
Radscha – 1989
Rafiki – 1990
Rambo – 1986
Rampal - 1983
Regazzoni – 1991
Riverman – 1990
Robinhood - 1992
Rudiger - 1984
Santa Cruz – 1991
Saxon - 1975
Schneekonig – 1985
Schoenfeld – 1981
Sieg – 1989
Sinclair B - 1991
Sonset's Sieger – 1990
Special Memories - 1986
Ta'ez ox - 1989 (Arabian approved by ISR)
Tallison – 1986
Tantris - 1989
Tiamo Trocadero – 1987
Titan - 1985
Traumtanzer - 1981
Tribute – 1986
Troy – 1985
Unabkommlich - 1987
Waldaire – 1989
Walliano - 1992
Wallstreet Kid - 1989
Waltzertraum - 1992
Watchman - 1988
Welcome S - 1987
Weltbekannt - 1992
Weltstern - 1982
Werigo – 1980 (retired from breeding)
Wildcard – 1990
Williams – 1989
Windfall (Trak)– 1992
Windwalzer – 1986
Wonderful – 1989
Wradar – 1992
Zeus MV - 1991

[Oakstable]

Bolivar and First Class in Utah

[Equine Reproduction]

Bolivar - 1983
Advocate - 1985
Rainbow - 1989
Mannhattan - 1991
Frohwind - 1984
For the Future - 1985
First Class - 1983

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

[DownYonder]

Thanks for the info! Frohwind is deceased, though. And didn't First Class also pass away a few months ago?

[cyndi]

NO, Frohwind is not deceased!! I have three of his kids and unless he died, like, last week, he is still alive and kicking - and still breeding!

[not again]

Again and Again, 1978, still alive and well!! and available for breeding

[Oakstable]

Frohwind's web site says nothing about Frozen only.

[Oakstable]

Here is the obit on First Class. Nice stallion, I bred to him twice.

http://www.millbrookfarms.com/breaking_news.htm

RIP sweet boy.

[Equilibrium]

Iroko, he's 17 now I believe and still looks wonderful.

O.K. so he's here now, but he was in the states!

Terri

[cyndi]

Since I have three of his offspring, I "talk" to Frohwind's owner, Vanessa, on a regular basis, and I am sure she would have let me know if he was no longer with us! He is still breeding, using fresh semen even. Though I do hope they are stocking the freezer since he is, I think, 23 now.;)

[hackinaround]

Rampal-1983
Juventus-1991
Alla Czar-1982

[aurum]

Sinclair B - 1991

[jilltx]

I can only think of two off the top of my head:

Hadrian-1983
Onassis-1984

[Equine Reproduction]

NO, Frohwind is not deceased!! I have three of his kids and unless he died, like, last week, he is still alive and kicking - and still breeding!

You are correct. I JUST got off the phone with Vanessa Carlson and Frohwind is alive and well <smile>... Yikes! That would be an ugly rumor to get started!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction

[cyndi]

Thanks, Kathy, for confirming my favorite stallion was still alive and kicking! ;)

[Oakstable]

B. Rolando - 1983

[Oakstable]

According to Linda Hackney, Madison passed away a few months ago and Werigo is retired from breeding.

[DownYonder]

Oh, I am so sorry about the false info on Frohwind! Someone had told me quite a while ago that they heard he had died! I am so glad to hear that is not the case! He is truly a GRAND OLD MAN!

I will edit the list above to add Frohwind and the other names. Thanks for the info!

[ahf]

thanks for doing this Down Yonder. Wonderful idea!

WALTZERTRAUM ~ HANOVERIAN, ~1992

Is Traumtanzer still alive and breeding?

[mmt]

Wow, this is a really long list.

What about the Burgraaf stallion named Louisville also at Hassler Dressage?

[DownYonder]

Iroko, he's 17 now I believe and still looks wonderful.

O.K. so he's here now, but he was in the states!

Terri

Thanks, but I am focusing on stallions that are currently in N.A.

[risingstarfarm]

Titan 1985
Jadalco 1986
Watchman 1988

[MagicRoseFarm]

Belucci, deceased in 2006,

[Holly Jeanne]

Schonfeld - 1986

[cyndi]

Although he is an Arabian, he is approved ISR/Oldenburg based on his performance in dressage, so add Ta'ez+/ to your list, born in 1989, and I think, still showing.

[ShowjumpersUSA]

1990 - Standing in VA. (Campesino thinks of himself as a fine young specimen. He would be terribly offended to hear anyone thought of him as a "grand old man!")

[Shawnda N]

I am working on the exact same thing for Trakehner stallions to be featured in the next ATA magazine. I have a list of all Trakehner stallions in North America that are still alive and are 20 + years old. PM me if you would like to have that list.

[omare]

my totally biased favorite is Special Memories -21-stll looking spiffy! (link to pictures from AHS Inspection '07)

http://www.photostockplus.com/home.php?user_id=18633&tmpl=30&event=111379&action=viewphoto&photo_id=4168815&album_id=111385

http://www.photostockplus.com/home.php?user_id=18633&tmpl=30&event=111379&action=viewphoto&photo_id=4168816&album_id=111385

[coriander]

1990 (Campesino thinks of himself as a fine young specimen. He would be terribly offended to hear anyone thought of him as a "grand old man!")

Then please let's not let him near a computer, and certainly no one should say such a thing within earshot. :eek: I suspect most of the Grand Old Men feel that way and that's part of why they're so grand.

[Kinsella]

Um, Corlando is a 1985 model (though I wish he was a 1991!), so he's 22 this year - and in my mind the ultimate Grand Old Man (and I call him that all the time - he KNOWS he's a Grand Man - and uses his selective hearing on the "Old" part! :winkgrin:)

[Kneigh]

Mezcalero - 1987.

[DownYonder]

Wow, this is a really long list.

What about the Burgraaf stallion named Louisville also at Hassler Dressage?

Louisville is a 1993 model. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[DownYonder]

Belucci, deceased in 2006,

Thanks, I am focusing on stallions that are still living, even if no longer breeding. Otherwise the list would be twice as long! :D

[DownYonder]

Um, Corlando is a 1985 model (though I wish he was a 1991!), so he's 22 this year - and in my mind the ultimate Grand Old Man (and I call him that all the time - he KNOWS he's a Grand Man - and uses his selective hearing on the "Old" part! :winkgrin:)

Jeez, I knew that - don't know where the 1991 came from! And you are right, he is definitely a serious GRAND OLD MAN!!

[DownYonder]

1990 - Standing in VA. (Campesino thinks of himself as a fine young specimen. He would be terribly offended to hear anyone thought of him as a "grand old man!")


But it is a term of great respect! He should feel honored! :D

[DownYonder]

Thanks for all the other suggestions! I have edited the list.

[Equine Reproduction]

Thanks for all the other suggestions! I have edited the list.

You missed several that were mentioned...

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

[DownYonder]

Oops, sorry. I had them on my list to add this morning but somehow lost them! Do I have everyone so far?

[VolteVT]

A few in VA:

Nebelhorn (1978) - still going strong though essentially retired from breeding
Also should mention one of our current stallions, Baladin d'Oc (1989)

I haven't spoken with Arno in a while, but last I heard Traumtanzer was doing fine.

[Equine Reproduction]

Oops, sorry. I had them on my list to add this morning but somehow lost them! Do I have everyone so far?

Nope...still missing:

Advocate
Baladin d'oc
For the Future
Mannhattan :D
Neblehorn
Special Memories

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be curious to see a list of stallions born and bred in this country that are now licensed by recognized warmblood registries. I think that would be interesting from the perspective of how our breeding in this country has progressed... How many of those Grand Old Men are domestically born and bred?

It is interesting to see just how many stallions are here and available now. I remember how few there were actually available not so terribly long ago...

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

[ShowjumpersUSA]

Oops, sorry. I had them on my list to add this morning but somehow lost them! Do I have everyone so far?


You haven't added Campesino yet.

[Oakstable]

Betcha there are some in the NAWPN roster. It numbers about 40 (about 1/3 the size of the AHS roster).

[gortmore]

He is a 1990 model. I thought that Futurist was born in 1995 not 1985 but I could be wrong about that.

[DownYonder]

You haven't added Campesino yet.

Dang! I keep losing them trying to flip back and forth between the different pages of this thread!

OK, he's there now! Sorry!

[DownYonder]

He is a 1990 model. I thought that Futurist was born in 1995 not 1985 but I could be wrong about that.

Yep, you are correct about Futurist, so I have deleted him from the list. Ikoon has now been added. Where does he stand?

[NoDQhere]

Meisterwind - Trakehner. Approved Stud Book 1, RPSI. Foaled 1986. Bred and foaled in the USA. Competed through Grand Prix dressage. Retired SOUND at 21. Still breeding, still sound and still one of the nicest minded stallions ever.

[Oakstable]

Ikoon stands in BC. He is an imported Dutch stallion by Libero H out of a Nimmerdor mare.

Lordship - 1990

[Devon11]

What about Juvel- 1977

[Fairview Horse Center]

Is Taxateur still alive?

[cyndi]

I think Taxateur died - but I may be thinking of Obelisk, his sire. I found Taxateur's page on Osierlea farm and it says frozen only. No mention of birthday/age etc.

[Oakstable]

Taxateur has been gone for a while.

[Oakstable]

E'sop's Fable - 1986
Hierarch - 1989
Ijseelmeer - 1990

[DownYonder]

What about Juvel- 1977

Is he still alive?

[DownYonder]

E'sop's Fable - 1986
Hierarch - 1989
Ijseelmeer - 1990

Added. Thanks!

[quiet*equine*]

What about A Fine Romance?

[Fred]

A Fine Romance is not on your list - but since you are including TB stallions who are WB approved/licenced, that he is!
Gold Premium Canadian Sport Horse, and ISR/Oldenburg NA.
He was born in 1991, and is still breeding.
In response to ER's question, he is a Canadian-bred.

another one not on the list is the Holsteiner Landslide. He is a 1982 model.

[DownYonder]

AFR is now added. Who is Landslide approved by?

[Devon11]

Is he still alive?

Yes, alive and well at Donida Farm Auburn, WA

[Fred]

AFR is now added. Who is Landslide approved by?

DownYonder, thank you!
QE and I must have been posting at the same time! ;)

Landslide, by Landgraf out of Norma by Laertes (Ladykiller) was bred in Germany and imported by Katie Monahan (then). He is a Silver Premium Canadian Sport Horse and also American Holsteiner Horse Assoc approved/licenced. He is the sire of the US eventer Landlady, among others.
He stands in Canada at Haras de Beaupre in Quebec.

[KimPeterson]

There is Capitaan (Aka Cavaleer) BWP approved now and this year also going RPSI he is WELL into his 20's 1983 model :)

He is the last living son of Captiano from a Cordelabryere x Heilbutt dam bred for showjumping actually the Thamling family in Holstein Germany. He was imported a million light years ago. He is now managed by Wendy Artzt I believe he counts in the Grand Old Man category though :)

[DownYonder]

Added several more, including several born in the 70's!! Thanks, gang!

[Oakstable]

Who was born in the late '70s and is still breeding?

[acottongim]

Off the ATA site:

Always 1987
Apache 1986
Arlington II 1988
Aul Magic (arabian approved with ATA) 1985
Donaufurst 1984
Donnerkeil 1988
Favian 1989
Feingeist 1992
Guy Larouche 1988
Hadrian 1983
Hailo 1986
Heling 1989
Hennessy 1987
Herzauber 1988
Horalas 1992
Ibsen 1982
Justiz 1982
Kahlif 1986
Leonidas 1988
Malachai 1989
Marquee 1988
Oskar II 1990
Pajou 1987
Prince of Prussia 1991
Prinz Habicht 1992
Radscha 1989
Schneekonig 1985
Schoenfeld 1981
Sieg 1989
Sonset's Sieger 1990
Special Memories 1986
Taez (arab approved ATA) 1989
Tribute 1986
Troy 1985
Unabkomlich 1987
Windfall 1992
Windwalzer 1986
Zeus MV 1991

Onassis is not breeding anymore (2006 was his last foal crop) and I know that some of the above were listed, but couldn't compare the ATA list to the already long list... and I did leave out the ones that I knew were only frozen (Abdullah, Peron, Martini). Emeer is also not breeding anymore, and if you include Lehndorf (who isn't here in the States, only by frozen I think,) Arentino is also frozen only and is a 1990 model.

[Gucci Cowgirl]

I can only think of two off the top of my head:

Hadrian-1983
Onassis-1984


Hadrian is very much alive...

[talloaks]

Weltstern 1982

[avezan]

I was going to add Weltstern, although I thought he was 1981. Didn't look it up though. I have a 2007 foal on the ground by him and a mare confirmed for a 2008 foal. The old guy has still got it! Standing live cover only in Culpeper, VA.

[Kinsella]

Corlando hasn't been updated to 1985 yet... As a side note, I believe he got all of his mares pregnant on one cover this year - AGAIN.

[DownYonder]

Weltstern 1982

Added - thanks!

[DownYonder]

Corlando hasn't been updated to 1985 yet... As a side note, I believe he got all of his mares pregnant on one cover this year - AGAIN.

I could have sworn I corrected this the other day - but obviously not!! :lol:

It's done now!:D

[Oakstable]

DY,
What kind of article are you doing?

[DownYonder]

Tomorrow I am going to put up a poll for "Grandest Grand Old Man". This should be the guy with the most impressive overall credentials - criteria to consider will be performance test results, competition career, production record, etc. I have a few in mind but want you folks to give me your nominees. :cool:

[Oakstable]

Frohwind, absolutely.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=Oakstable;2606639]DY,
What kind of article are you doing?[/QUOTE

It's about older WB stallions in North America and the contributions they have made to sporthorse breeding here.

[LLDM]

What about A Bromont? Last I heard he was still breeding up in Quebec. He's a 1983.

SCFarm

[Wayside]

Last I heard, my mare's sire Krusader (1989) was still standing in Canada. http://www.c-horses.ca/breeding.htm

[Jesse'sMom]

Corlando hasn't been updated to 1985 yet... As a side note, I believe he got all of his mares pregnant on one cover this year - AGAIN.
Yeah for the old men! Le santo did too, and he is a 1983 model.
What about James Bond? Isnt he a 1980- somthing?

[3corgis]

I would like to add my Grand Old Man to the long impressive list - Allerhand (Adlerfarn/Weingau) - foaled 1986. Hanoverian bred and Licensed ISR/OLD .:)

[DownYonder]

What about A Bromont? Last I heard he was still breeding up in Quebec. He's a 1983.SCFarm

Last I heard, my mare's sire Krusader (1989) was still standing in Canada. http://www.c-horses.ca/breeding.htm

I would like to add my Grand Old Man to the long impressive list - Allerhand (Adlerfarn/Weingau) - foaled 1986. Hanoverian bred and Licensed ISR/OLD .:)

Added.

Yeah for the old men! Le santo did too, and he is a 1983 model.
What about James Bond? Isnt he a 1980- somthing?

Who is James Bond approved with?

[not again]

from an earlier post: "I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be curious to see a list of stallions born and bred in this country that are now licensed by recognized warmblood registries."

I bred Again and Again (1978) --Pennsylvania
Katharine Dauphin bred Waldaire--Virginia

[canadianchestnut]

Another ''Grand Old Man'' to add to your list:
''Herder'' ( Amiego X Heimat ) - 16.2hh grey Trakehner Stallion.
20 years old this season and still producing lovely foal crops, standing in British Columbia. Approved for breeding by CSHA, CTHS,

[DownYonder]

Another ''Grand Old Man'' to add to your list:
''Herder'' ( Amiego X Heimat ) - 16.2hh grey Trakehner Stallion.
20 years old this season and still producing lovely foal crops, standing in British Columbia. Approved for breeding by CSHA, CTHS,

Added!

[CrossWinds81]

Liostro (last son of Ladykiller xx)
Capital Hill

Both are owned by Signature Farm

[DownYonder]

Liostro (last son of Ladykiller xx)
Capital Hill

Both are owned by Signature Farm

Year of birth? and who are they approved by?

[CrossWinds81]

1980 Liostro [E] (Ladykiller xx/Farnese/Aldato) approved German Holsteiner Verband and AHHA. Could very well be approved by other registries, but I am not certain.

-produced 2 stallions approved by the German Holsteiner Verband: Levantos I/II. and at least 2 AHHA approved stallions; Liocalyon and Liosto

1981 Capital Hill (Caletto I/Capitano/Marlon) approved AHHA

[not again]

Absolute (1984) and a bunch of others are on this list:

http://www.hanoverian.org/Stallions/active.shtml

[Pirateer]

Beach Boy and Bajazzo, if they haven't been listed yet.

[DownYonder]

Beach Boy and Bajazzo, if they haven't been listed yet.

Year of birth, please? And who are they approved by?

[DownYonder]

1980 Liostro [E] (Ladykiller xx/Farnese/Aldato) approved German Holsteiner Verband and AHHA. Could very well be approved by other registries, but I am not certain.

-produced 2 stallions approved by the German Holsteiner Verband: Levantos I/II. and at least 2 AHHA approved stallions; Liocalyon and Liosto

1981 Capital Hill (Caletto I/Capitano/Marlon) approved AHHA

Beach Boy and Bajazzo, if they haven't been listed yet.

Added!!

Absolute (1984) and a bunch of others are on this list:

http://www.hanoverian.org/Stallions/active.shtml

Absolute has also been added. I will check out the Hanoverian list later.

[ahf]

Holy cr@p. How could I forget Banter? '84 Still alive, not breeding.

[DownYonder]

Holy cr@p. How could I forget Banter? '84 Still alive, not breeding.

Added!

[DownYonder]

Does anyone know if any of these guys are still alive? They are still on the AHS roster.

Diamont – 1976
Largo – 1973
Lortzing – 1979
Prinz Gaylord – 1974
Tanzenlicht – 1975
Wodan - 1978

[ahf]

The first four are no longer with us. The last two I'm not sure, but don't hink so. They all have frozen available I believe, which is why they are stilla active.

[DownYonder]

The first four are no longer with us. The last two I'm not sure, but don't hink so. They all have frozen available I believe, which is why they are stilla active.

Thanks, I'm not going to add them unless someone can verify that they are still alive.

What a list! 183 warmblood stallions, 2 TB stallions and 1 Arabian stallion approved for warmblood breeding! Who knew there were so many?

[Pirateer]

Year of birth, please? And who are they approved by?


Beach Boy- 1983, DWB, approved Oldenburg (in Germany), Can WB
Bajazzo- 1979, Oldenburg, approved Can WB

[DownYonder]

Beach Boy- 1983, DWB, approved Oldenburg (in Germany), Can WB
Bajazzo- 1979, Oldenburg, approved Can WB

And both still alive - right? Are they still breeding? (My hat is off to Bajazzo if he still is!)

[Pirateer]

And both still alive - right? Are they still breeding? (My hat is off to Bajazzo if he still is!)

Both still alive last I had heard (I worked for the owners). I think they are both still breeding by Fresh Cooled. I know Beach Boy was imported at age 19 or so and doesn't ship Frozen.

[DownYonder]

OK, Beach Boy and Bajazzo have been added.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Derringer (1986) is still breeding