Stallion prospect question -- your opinions please.... [Archive]

rideagoldenpony

Jun. 30, 2007, 09:28 AM

genevieveg17

Jun. 30, 2007, 09:37 AM

rideagoldenpony

Jun. 30, 2007, 09:43 AM

Thanks for your reply, Genevieve. :)

Unfortunately, this is not the size/kind of marking that is going to look better with age. I have had foals born where the white seemed less of a big deal later on, but on this guy -- well, there's just no getting around it, it's THERE!!! :cool:

Fairview Horse Center

Jun. 30, 2007, 09:43 AM

Forelocks also help to cover some of the effect later. I don't think I would let a marking stop me from a really super horse.

exvet

Jun. 30, 2007, 09:49 AM

Can it be considered perfection if there is a "but" in the description? For me, I would not be deterred but you focus on a different venue with welsh than I, one where it could and perhaps would matter. Do you think you might get outcroppings when crossed with the Mardi daughters? Do you think that would affect your market potential if the answer is yes? I'm not involved with the "B"s, obviously, but you have been very successful with your program - something I do know and watch (admire your ponies though I know we two do not see eye to eye on the welsh "group" or show system). So that being stated the questions I would think one would ask themselves in such a position just playing devil's advocate......do you think your program could change the tide of what is considered acceptable or even sought after in the welsh - purebred and half-bred - if the marking was reproduced regularly or exaggerated further? If he's all that then, again, I would not be bothered but many know that I tend to go against the "welsh" rules and look at the horseflesh beneath for my intended purpose and preferred discipline. I have no market to cater to, nor do I play to the WPCS or WPCSA tune. Does your market have enough of an open mind that your success would continue in the same vein as it has? If yes, then by all means get him and get started :winkgrin:

Windswept Stable

Jun. 30, 2007, 10:15 AM

I know exactly what you mean. I can't do a bald face.
Last season I was offered free breeding lease on a very well bred Welsh Sec A mare to cross with my stallion. She was the perfect size, perfect pedigree... BUT she had a HUGE BALD face. I could not do it. Because if the resulting foal had a bald face--I would have not been pleased. So,I passed.

You have to do what you feel is right. The fact that with all your expertise and experience--you question your choice--tells me that you are not 100% happy with a bald face stud either.

Good luck with your choice! I have confidence that you will make the right one!

grayfox

Jun. 30, 2007, 10:26 AM

I would get him. You can alway geld later if you change your mind. But like you said this is the only chance you'll have for something out of this mare. Good luck.

pintopiaffe

Jun. 30, 2007, 10:53 AM

Are you willing to try to see if you can get a son of HIS to keep? Then sell him on?

Do you know if siblings have this much white? Is it worth the investment, if you will, to get him, breed him to your best mare and wait for the 'more' perfect colt?

I know that's long term. But we think in generations anway. If you love everything else about him, is it worth that?

tri

Jun. 30, 2007, 12:31 PM

I think you need to identify your breeding goals. You say he is perfect for your mares. Is that your goal? Then you say, he won't draw as many outside mares. Is building him up to bring in breeding revenue your goal? You say he won't be acceptable to some judges. Is having a successful show horse your goal? Or is having the total package your goal?

If he is for your mares, it won't matter unless he puts a bald face on everything he produces.

So many people who post here insist that color should be the last thing to breed for. But the reality is, if you are breeding to sell, color matters with our mostly amateur riders. They want their horse or pony to be pretty. God knows, we all spend enough money on them so we should have them in the colors we like after all.

VirginiaBred

Jun. 30, 2007, 01:03 PM

I'm agreeing with Windswept and the seller of the stallion prospect.

In regards to Hunter and Hunter Pony Breeding, too much white is almost always a distraction and can be the kiss of death from many judges.
We've had ponies turned down over the years due to too much white on a face.

That being said, is it the same for Welsh Breeding? I see lots of Section A's and some B's that have the bald face, or almost that. Does that get counted off in the show ring at Welsh shows?

I'm thinking I may know the colt of which you are speaking, and if it's the one I'm thinking of, he is stunning. :)

Halfhalting

Jun. 30, 2007, 02:56 PM

I love a bald face if the eyes look good... Especially welshes where they have thick forelocks. If he is that incredible, I would buy him, let him grow into himself some, do a few test breedings, and see what you have. The financial question involved with "wait and see" may make you re-evaluate if he is truly THAT exceptional and unique. Think of the money involved with doing that route... can you buy the perfect replacement with the investment you would put in to this guy? Or, could you do ET with the mare and hope for another colt? But, obviously if this guy has the white, it is possible to get it again. Good luck (and attach a picture if you can!)

Molly Malone

Jun. 30, 2007, 03:06 PM

If I am going to buy one of your ponies (which presumably is why you breed them - to sell?), unless I am a breeder myself looking for your specific bloodlines, I will not buy a bald face.

I am also doing lots and lots of research into who I want to breed to and why (you have probably noticed all my Welsh questions:lol:) and I will not looking at bald faced or excessively chromed stallions.

So you lost my money on two counts - both breeding and purchase. (Not you personally, you hypothetically:))

I really don't know if that helps or not

Sakura

Jun. 30, 2007, 03:20 PM

Do you have a picture?

rideagoldenpony

Jun. 30, 2007, 04:33 PM

Thank you all very much for your input. Much appreciated. :)

Darlyn -- thank you -- I think the grown up version with full forelock will be actually quite striking.

Lisa -- that is a lot to think about, and you mentioned some (mind boggling) angles I had not even ever considered. Thank you.

Windswept -- I tend to like bling pretty well -- this is just a bit more than I'm used to! Though I have to say, the more I look at him, the less it seems to matter, so we will see!

Grayfox -- thank you -- yes, this is looking more like the once in a lifetime kind of event I was thinking it was.

Pintopiaffe -- no, his half and 3/4 siblings do not have nearly so much white. I do know where it comes from though -- it is from his grandsire on the dam's side -- extremely famous pony though, and a really stellar producer.

Tri -- those are awesome "thinking points" to consider. My primary purpose *has* to be whether or not he is right for my current and future mares. Next on my list would come the "curb appeal" that would attract mare owners, but that is quite a ways down my list compared to whether or not he is the right choice for my program. The show ring criteria is the wildcard really -- the quality and conformation are there -- just depends on how offputting a judge would find it -- and a judge SHOULD overlook it, there is nothing at all in our breed standard that makes mention of a pony not being true to type if the blaze is too wide! There is definitely a whole "anti-sabino" group within the Welsh (though his markings are completely legal under the OLD registration rules) -- but I keep coming back to "conformation is the best color"! ;)

VA -- thank you. I am not in the hunter pony business, so what will fly in the hunter ring isn't normally something even on my radar, but it is a good thing to consider, since so many Welsh do end up going that direction. Now I wonder who the colt is that you are thinking of! As far as I know, nobody on this side of the water even knows about this one, so PM me!!!

Halfhalting -- great point about the wait and see. His elderly mother has been such an amazing producer that I think the wait and see approach will only leave me with my jaw dropped! :D And he does have lovely eyes! No chance on ET from the mare -- she is old and in another country where those kind of things aren't easily/normally done -- even if she wasn't ancient. ;)

Molly -- if you are part of the "anti sabino club" and share that vision, then you already won't be shopping at my farm anyway!!! I DO like markings -- I've owned BLOODlines that did not produce but a smidge of a star here and there, and what can I say? I love bling. :cool: :D Just this much would not be my first choice!

Sakura -- I do have some excellent pictures of him, but I'm not quite ready to share yet! ;)

Thank you ALL!!!

Fenway

Jun. 30, 2007, 05:22 PM

It almost sounds like you've made up your own mind. ;)
I agree with the point that if he fits YOUR breeding program and if the quality is there (under that bald face), then go for it. He could pass on very tasteful color. And I know that there are lots mare owners with less blingy mares who would love to add some chrome. If you like (love?) him and his bloodlines that much, I think that it would be a shame to pass on him just because he has a bald face.

spacely

Jun. 30, 2007, 05:29 PM

I'm in the don't say no because of the bling group. He sounds like he'd be a good fit in your program, if not, you can always geld or sell. It sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity. Why pass it up?

kookicat

Jun. 30, 2007, 05:46 PM

Heck, I'd get him. Test breed him. See what he produces. :D

alliekat

Jun. 30, 2007, 05:46 PM

I think that if he has the breeding, conformation and size thatr you are looking for then go for it. I too am not a huge fan of a bald face. But I will say look at all the people who breed for a certain color or pattern and end up with plain foals in the end. We all know that there is no guarantee to whether or nor he will even throw it. If he is the once in a life time pony in all other aspects then buy him. Breed him to your mares and maybe some outside mares to see what he will throw. You never know he might have just enough crome to cross to plainer mares to get what you are looking for too. Good luck in whatever you deceide. He sounds awesome!!!

buschkn

Jun. 30, 2007, 05:53 PM

I would say go for it, he sounds great. I bet the marking will grow on you. When my colt was born I didn't like his marking- not a bald face, but a very wide blaze. Now I just love it, it is part of who he is and I find it adorable! I don't think you should pass up such a great opportunity for a superficial reason like a facial marking. As others have said, if he is that special, and you find you really don't like it or what he produces, you can always sell him later...

BeastieSlave

Jun. 30, 2007, 06:22 PM

I'd be inclined to go for it and I am not a fan of bald faces. BTW, I tend to mind less on ponies.

To serious breeders: How often does a foal get the same face markings that its sire has?

My HAN mare's sire seems to put a lot of the same stripes/stockings on his foals. He has some flash, but it isn't extreme.
I also know a stallion with very loud markings whose foals are only slightly marked, and none like him.

Tom King

Jun. 30, 2007, 06:30 PM

The worst thing that will happen if you do buy him is that he won't work out.

The worst thing that will happen if you don't buy him is that you will never know.

The real question is which is worse.

flashykatt

Jun. 30, 2007, 07:54 PM

Get him. You can always geld him, sell him, or both. BUT!! Imagine how bad it'll be if you don't get him, and it turns out that he doesn't pass his bling on!

You'd buy him if the other person turned him down because they wanted bling and he was plain bay, right? He may never have a baby with that much white.

Honesty forces me to add that I personally like bling. :D

goodpony

Jun. 30, 2007, 08:00 PM

Any ideas how the chrome passes on...maybe this is a dumb question..but curious.

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 30, 2007, 08:55 PM

Buy him. My gosh, buy him. I think it is more likely that his offspring would have some white marking that differs, or none at all. But I most certainly would not let that deter me from buying a colt with lines as you describe who is also an outstanding individual himself.

Dazednconfused

Jun. 30, 2007, 08:59 PM

First off all - congratulations on the oppurtunity to purchase such a well bred little guy.
Now I am not sure if it is the same for ponies as horses but I have had foals that have a ton of white when they are young - huge blazes etc. When I see updated photos of them as two year olds there is considerably less white.
A blaze that took up the whole face on a weanling looks signifigantly smaller on a two year old.
Is there a chance that this happens with ponies as well?

That is definitely true.

The most important thing, though, is that YOU are the one that has to stare at his face every day in your barn or pasture. If you can live with that, then that's all that matters.

I knew a colt like that once too (although he wasn't high quality, and was horribly dispositioned, so it's a bit different) - had a huge, ugly white marking across his face. I would have never been able to stare at his face every day had he been mine - but that was mostly because of his other qualities. I would have had he been wonderful to deal with and talented.

Dazednconfused

Jun. 30, 2007, 09:04 PM

Any ideas how the chrome passes on...maybe this is a dumb question..but curious.

Well, there is no genetic formula - 2 socks x 2 socks doesn't = 4 socks on baby :p There is some degree of a general idea of how sabino is passed on but no absolutes by any mean. I know of a moderately marked sabino stallion that has produced everything from a VERY wildly marked filly (complete with blue eyes and wild overo-style body spots) to another filly with not a drop of white on her anywhere. One could hypothesize that the more chrome a horse has, the more the chance of passing it on, but that is about as far as it goes IMO. And that there are certain horses that are known for adding "bling" so to speak.

flashykatt

Jul. 1, 2007, 12:31 AM

Hey, if bling always got passed on there'd be NO Breeding Stock Paints

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

LovesHorses

Jul. 1, 2007, 01:05 AM

As mentioned before, the hunter person in me can't do a bald face....BUT if it was THE pony of my dreams, then I would dress it up with a fancy bridle. I remember Pony Dot Com had a ton of white on his/her face.

unbridledoaks

Jul. 1, 2007, 01:43 AM

If he is as nice as you says he is, go for it. If he has the breeding that will click with your breeding program, the type and movement, then go for it.

summerhorse

Jul. 1, 2007, 02:06 AM

I'd get him but then I like bald faces... =) But as pointed out if you just can't stand it you can probably sell him or geld him. And there is no guarantee ANY of his foals will get his face esp. if you breed to mares with little or no white.

or they might! It depends on how big a minus white faces are in your world.

Halfhalting

Jul. 1, 2007, 07:55 AM

Oh, just vet him and get him! :) He sounds wonderful! There are enough people out there that will say "my mare has no bling, he has lots of bling, I should at LEAST get some bling!". Can't wait to see him!

Wowelsh

Jul. 2, 2007, 08:36 AM

camohn

Jul. 2, 2007, 09:20 AM

Any ideas how the chrome passes on...maybe this is a dumb question..but curious.

No guarantees at all but if it comes from sabino then breeding him to chromeless mares would lessen the chance of passing it on/ breeding him to mares w/ chrome or white ticking would increase it. Our sabino stallion produced everything from all white (2..bred to sabino overo mares), mid-range pinto (bred to tobiano or sabino mares), just some chrome (blaze and socks) to 4 out of 12 that were totally chromeless. One that was chromeless and one with just a blaze and socks were out of sabino mares...so not even that guarantees they will get the excess chrome. Just increases the odds. The other 3 chromeless were out of solid mares.

pintopiaffe

Jul. 2, 2007, 11:12 AM

To serious breeders: How often does a foal get the same face markings that its sire has?

Depends on the sire. My stallion has thrown his minimal white face, teeensy white star and snip on all but 2 of his foals. Both of those foals were out of the same mare and have the same star/stripe/snip. EVERYONE ELSE has his dark head, dark eyes, and itty bits of white, whether solid or pinto. So I know he throws his head more often than not.

You are, of course, going to have to let us know when you decide. And then post pics of the new guy! :winkgrin:

I'd no idea that wide blazes/bald was an issue in ponies. I always *picture* the perfect pony with that sort of colour--I guess especially since (true) sabino is so present in Welsh. I have this image of dark bays with tall whites and a white face, or bright reds with flaxen and the same... goes with the pigtails and bows and joddies w/ kneestraps in *my* mind. ;)

mairzeadoats

Jul. 2, 2007, 11:24 AM

I'm a rider; not a breeder. So personally I'm into quality first, foremost and always. Color fads come and go...today a group of people in your breed hates bling; tomorrow it may be the greatest thing going for a horse.

Buy him. Try him. Maybe he'll pass on tasteful color. Do you keep every single foal that you breed? Maybe his blinging foals will be very desirable to a particular set of people....

rideagoldenpony

Jul. 2, 2007, 11:50 AM

I don't know that there is much "anti-sabino" movement among Welsh breeders ('course there are probably lots of movements I'm not aware of...LOL), but there are plenty of people who are at least concerned (if not against) the full blown pintos.

You need to be aware that Mardi being a splash (so assuming some of his daughters are also) and it sounds like this colt is a splash, that 25% of the time (statistically) splash x splash creates the homozygous splash, or a full blown pinto. You might be compromising some of your sales/breeding options with the purebred breeders. Would love to see pics. :)

While I love a nice blaze and socks -- I just do (comes from years of plain "brown" to turn grey babies) -- I am NEVER EVER NEVER EVER wanting to EVER have an "oops it's a pinto" baby. Not EVER.

And I'm not sure Mardi is a splash. While he has had some pretty chromed up babies for me, they were also out of some pretty chromed up mares, and they scarcely have more white than their dams. Just slightly more in some cases. I do have one colt this year out of a dark bay mare with a just a star and snip herself that is way whited up, but on the other hand, the first foal of this season, out of a black sabino mare, is a bay filly with a tiny star. She didn't exactly get a whit of chrome from either parent.

Now this colt..... yeah.... I could see him being a splash. White over one of his eyes, stockings up over his knees and to his hocks. However, I do happen to know that there have been no "oops, a pinto" anywhere in his bloodline, though his grandsire has pretty consistently put a huge blaze on a lot of stock.

On the other hand.... I consider his dam to be The Stallion Maker -- and I probably am going to go ahead and take the chance - whether or not he will ever see the inside of a show ring is yet to be seen.

I do have photos, but I'm not ready to share them for public picking apart. :)

VirginiaBred

Jul. 2, 2007, 12:22 PM

Yay! Good for you and congratulations.

Wowelsh

Jul. 2, 2007, 02:14 PM

...And I'm not sure Mardi is a splash. ...

The reason I say Mardi is a splash, is because the classic splash marking is a blaze/snip that widens as it goes over the nose...though needn't do so on both sides of the nose. I think he has that (?). His leg markings are, IMO, sabino, so he probably carries both.

Our Tucker (pic attached) is a splash + sabino. It (splash) came from his dam's side. Like you, I don't want any "oops" purebred pintos, so (as long as he's here) he'll not be bred to anything that I suspect is a splash.

Fenway

Jul. 2, 2007, 03:26 PM

An early congratulations. I'll be anxiously waiting for you to show him off--I can't wait to see him. :)

rideagoldenpony

Jul. 2, 2007, 05:13 PM

The reason I say Mardi is a splash, is because the classic splash marking is a blaze/snip that widens as it goes over the nose...though needn't do so on both sides of the nose. I think he has that (?). His leg markings are, IMO, sabino, so he probably carries both.

Hmmm..... interesting. In over 60 foals on the ground, 100% of them have been "legally blinged" under the old registration rules, with the exception of a pinto tobiano, but it was out of an APHA Paint mare, who herself was also a tobiano. So that coloring had nothing to do with him.

Definitely something that bears a little more looking into on my end, as I would not have considered him to be that before. I also have several mares/fillies marked similarly. I suspect that ALL of this white we've been discussing, including the new colt, all goes back to the same pony in their pedigrees -- as nearly all of my imported stock has him back there somewhere.

LovesHorses

Jul. 2, 2007, 07:14 PM

Luckydonkey

Jul. 2, 2007, 07:36 PM

I say get him quick before someone else does! I love a blingy horse- and so do alot of other people- and really- if he has the talent and the bloodlines to make you some world class babies- who cares what color they are! Their performance and ability will speak for them, and people will want them! Look how popular colored warmbloods have become- :D

rideagoldenpony

Jul. 2, 2007, 07:40 PM

Hey Gretchen, do you know how much white the stallion had that gave all the Posh Ponies babies that looked like paints? Would be cool to see a picture of him. Im not sure which Gayfield stallion it is.

I think the only stallion they have been using is Sleuth, and he isn't wildly marked at all. He has a lot less white than Mardi -- well, you've seen him.

VirginiaBred

Jul. 2, 2007, 08:25 PM

Gayfields Eurotrash puts wild markings on the foals.

LovesHorses

Jul. 2, 2007, 09:19 PM

Ah yes, that is him.

unbridledoaks

Jul. 3, 2007, 12:33 AM

Have you seen that Filly's full brother? He is a liver with 4 even white socks and a just a blaze. Nothing like his sister.

rideagoldenpony

Jul. 3, 2007, 12:38 AM

Have you seen that Filly's full brother? He is a liver with 4 even white socks and a just a blaze. Nothing like his sister.

Which filly?

unbridledoaks

Jul. 3, 2007, 12:43 AM

Posh Pony Tail Express, I think that is her name, but right now, I am a little foggy on names... Being sick sucks... LOL!!

SueL

Jul. 3, 2007, 04:13 AM

While I love a nice blaze and socks -- I just do (comes from years of plain "brown" to turn grey babies) -- I am NEVER EVER NEVER EVER wanting to EVER have an "oops it's a pinto" baby. Not EVER.

And I'm not sure Mardi is a splash. While he has had some pretty chromed up babies for me, they were also out of some pretty chromed up mares, and they scarcely have more white than their dams. Just slightly more in some cases. I do have one colt this year out of a dark bay mare with a just a star and snip herself that is way whited up, but on the other hand, the first foal of this season, out of a black sabino mare, is a bay filly with a tiny star. She didn't exactly get a whit of chrome from either parent.

Now this colt..... yeah.... I could see him being a splash. White over one of his eyes, stockings up over his knees and to his hocks. However, I do happen to know that there have been no "oops, a pinto" anywhere in his bloodline, though his grandsire has pretty consistently put a huge blaze on a lot of stock.

On the other hand.... I consider his dam to be The Stallion Maker -- and I probably am going to go ahead and take the chance - whether or not he will ever see the inside of a show ring is yet to be seen.

I do have photos, but I'm not ready to share them for public picking apart. :)

MHO, Mardi is a sabino with the cream gene. I do not identify him as "splash."

Young Baldy <heh> could be a splash. Is there any pinto at all in his lineage? If not, he is probably a boring old sabino. There are a lot of them out there.

And sabinos do not always (as you know) pass along all of their bling.

Personally, to me a good horse is never a bad color. I looked at the piccies of Mardi and colored him the plainest chestnut I could. He was still a super pony. So he passes the color test.

Me personally, I would given what you say, take the colt. If he is what you what phenotypically and genetically (sounds like the dam is a living treasure) then I would not worry about a bald face. You can find color suppressing mares; they are out there.

OTOH, again MHO, sabino is out there in the Welsh pony (we sometimes miss it in all the GRAY :D) and it is part of the breed. It does no harm, folks need to get over it. Jeesh. <rolls eyes>

Sue

BTW, Mardi is *very* nice; get me one of those in 16'2" or so please ;-)

Showpony

Jul. 3, 2007, 08:47 AM

Get him! He might just put the perfect amount of white on his babies. Most people are looking to breed to something that will get them some chrome, especially it the mare is plain colored.

Do you plan to show him? Nice babies will over ride a show record or lack of one I would think. If he is a once in a life time pony and perfect in every other way, I would not let the overly white face deter me.

RiddleMeThis

Jul. 21, 2007, 01:08 AM

Update? Did you get the pony? If so any pics?

Thomas_1

Jul. 21, 2007, 08:12 AM

A good horse is NEVER a bad colour.

But there's a lot of nice coloured horses that are terrible conformation, type and ability.

I'd never let colour put me off a good horse and always look past that to conformation, pedigree, temperament and type etc etc etc. Colour and markings would be equal with length of tail as a criteria ....

rideagoldenpony

Jul. 21, 2007, 02:03 PM

Update? Did you get the pony? If so any pics?

An agreement has been made, and he will arrive this winter. :D

Thank you again, everyone, for your input.

No pictures for now.....

Fenway

Jul. 21, 2007, 03:19 PM

No pictures for now.....

Boo! (Just kidding) I'm sure there will be no lack of interest once you are ready to share!! :D

YankeeLawyer

Jul. 21, 2007, 09:28 PM

A good horse is NEVER a bad colour.

But there's a log of nice coloured horses that are terrible conformation, type and ability.

I'd never let colour put me off a good horse and always look past that to conformation, pedigree, temperament and type etc etc etc. Colour and markings would be equal with length of tail as a criteria ....

I completely agree, and learned that at a young age from my trainer, who has discovered and trained more national champions than I could even begin to count.

rideagoldenpony

Jul. 21, 2007, 09:49 PM

My personal opinion is that conformation is the best color, but there IS predjudice within the breed for "bling" -- at least on this scale. Though honestly, I think this colt may be the kind that is just going to turn heads no matter what -- even if he were plain bay.

I've just spent the last hour re-living my visit to Wales and looking at the photos of his sire and dam -- and I'm even more excited than I was before!!!

Thomas_1

Jul. 22, 2007, 01:38 AM

I didn't realise it was a UK bred Welsh Pony duhhhhh

I know your footer should have been a clue!

Is it a B? and what Breeding?? (I've got a fair few myself)

Donella

Jul. 22, 2007, 02:52 AM

If the horse truly is Welsh perfection, I would get him and try him out. MOST likely there will be offspring without the bald face, and possibly many. You wont know until you try. It makes me cringe when you think about the fact that there is essentially a perfect colt here (how often does that happen?) and now some dinky hair color issue might blow it for him and the breed? Lots of people don't like chestnuts but thank God they didn't geld Donnerhall or Weltmeyer because some people wont "do" chestnut!!

I would definately go for it, with your luck he wont pass it on often and the person who turned him down will be kicking herself ten times over. I also really don't think it'll look bad once his thick forelock grows in.

hitchinmygetalong

Jul. 22, 2007, 10:55 AM

Gayfields Eurotrash

That is a truly ... "memorable" name! :eek::lol: I looked him up and yes he's got a ton of chrome, but has a head that can certainly handle it!

Thomas_1

Jul. 22, 2007, 11:03 AM

I've also taken a look at him here and think he looks perfectly o.k. I was envisaging some great ugly white head on top of his body but not at all. He just has a blaze. Don't folks like that over there??? Here it wouldn't be worth a passing thought .... its a "so what"

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://gayfieldswelshponies.com/art/jpgs/TrashH03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gayfieldswelshponies.com/stallions.html&h=226&w=150&sz=46&hl=en&start=1&sig2=UnHl0w29Bcgz78za3Wi9Mg&um=1&tbnid=A5OJ83IEIT_aWM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=72&ei=L3GjRv6uG4mMxAGkuqnaDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3DGayfields%2BEurotrash%26svnum%3D10%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGIH_en-GBGB210GB211%26sa%3DN

one4all

Jul. 23, 2007, 07:15 PM

http://www.eyarth.com/resources/_wsb_359x325_homie.jpg

I found this rather flashy looking colt on the UK welsh site...bet it's him she is buying..fits her description rather well.

dorthyinoz

Jul. 23, 2007, 08:25 PM

http://www.eyarth.com/resources/_wsb_359x325_homie.jpg

I found this rather flashy looking colt on the UK welsh site...bet it's him she is buying..fits her description rather well.

ADORABLE! If thats him, I'm rather jealous. I love that bling on ponies. If only my pony didn't pass on the grey gene

LovesHorses

Jul. 24, 2007, 01:01 AM

That is a fancy boy! My friend has a two year old colt by the same stallion. He is dark liver chestnut with stockings. The dam of that foal, Eyarth Zsa Zsa, is also the mother of the famous Eyarth Rio, sire of many of the Telynau stallions here in the US. I have a mare whose granddam is a full sibling to Eyarth Zsa Zsa.

kookicat

Jul. 24, 2007, 12:20 PM

http://www.eyarth.com/resources/_wsb_359x325_homie.jpg

I found this rather flashy looking colt on the UK welsh site...bet it's him she is buying..fits her description rather well.

He's lovely! :D

scottishgirl

Jul. 24, 2007, 01:06 PM

Just had a look at your website RaGP, and you have some really sweet ponies. I was surprised to see a Waxwing pony - they are half an hour up the road from me! Amazing to think that they are making it all over the world. Small planet.

Good luck with the buying mission!

RiddleMeThis

Feb. 14, 2008, 04:16 AM

Well I PMed about a month and a half ago asking for an update and rideagoldenpony and she said new stallion would probably get here at the end of january. So I sent her another PM a few days ago and nothing bakc yet. She probably missed it but I guess I will bump this up and hope she sees it. I am VERY excited to see this pony.

genevieveg17

Feb. 14, 2008, 12:34 PM

Come on rideagoldenpony! We need an update. I am sure there are quite a few
people eager to see the new fine young lad!!!

Tiki

Feb. 14, 2008, 01:23 PM

I don't see Mardi Gras or Tucker to be splash at all. Dr. Phillip Sponenburg, the horse color guru, defines splash this way:
Splashed white (SplSpl ) is a dominant that causes very crisp white areas. Usually the head, legs, and lower body of the horse are white, as if they had been dipped in white paint. I don't see these ponies fitting this description in any way, shape or form. That includes the pony Eurotrash.

I can't wait to see him!! You could always have him approved as an ISR Sport Pony and I bet you'd get TONS of breedings for him with bigger mares with owners trying to downsize. They take Section B's and Section C's if they meet the criteria.

At any rate, exact face markings are NOT reliably passed on if it really bothers people.

rideagoldenpony

Feb. 14, 2008, 03:07 PM

I'm away from home at the moment at the Welsh AGM. :)

BUT..... he will be arriving pretty soon (I HOPE). It's been rather long and drawn out -- couple people backed out of the pallet, but it finally looks like it is going to go forward. If you are interested in bringing over a Sec. A or B newly-turned-yearling, let me know as there is still one pallet space available.

It's been a bit nerve wracking this time, but hopefully they will be here in the next few weeks.

Fenway

Feb. 14, 2008, 03:11 PM

Shame on them for making us wait. Can't wait to see him! :D

VirginiaBred

Feb. 14, 2008, 03:28 PM

Come on rideagoldenpony! We need an update. I am sure there are quite a few
people eager to see the new fine young lad!!!

I guessed correctly the day she posted this thread. :yes::cool::D

Hocus Focus

Feb. 16, 2008, 07:16 PM

Hmmm.... coming in late on this one.... can't even give me two cents worth... it's a done deal!!!!

Congratulations. Having met Mardi, I am sure you will be bringing in a fine young animal.

I am in the midst of the Ocala HITS show and time is not so plentiful for internetting these days, but always enjoy peeking in to the forums when I can.

Best of luck with the new guy.

erinwillow

Feb. 17, 2008, 10:37 AM

SO..... after many years of waiting, I have just been offered a colt that I believe is a stallion prospect from THE mare -- an older mare, the most stellar producer imaginable, one of the true greats within our breed. Since the mare is older, so there is no telling if she will have another foal or not. And at any rate, the waiting list is a mile long for her babies. I did not think I would ever be offered one.

The colt is stunning. He is everything I would want for my Mardi Gras daughters, and some of my other mares as well. The pedigree is beyond superb. He is just gorgeous. HOWEVER...... he has THE most atrocious face marking. A huge, almost bald face that is marked in such a way as to be quite unattractive, in my opinion. Which is how he came to be offered to me. The other person in line for a colt from this mare didn't want him because of the marking.

SO..... herein lies the question..... would you allow a marking like that to deter you from a colt that you thought was the answer to the next phase of your breeding program? Let some white hair change what you had hoped and planned for?

The upside of this colt is that he is stunning, his pedigree is incomparable and exactly, EXACTLY what I wanted. The downside is the white, and the fact that there *ARE* judges within our breed that would be offended by that much white, and he likely would not draw the mares that a more traditionally marked stallion would.

Your thoughts?

What a very interesting position to be in and question to pose. . . wow. . there actually is quite a bit to think about. I have found that markings and coloring is SUCH a personal thing. . on the one hand it seems so silly, but on the other hand it is perfectly reasonable we ALL have our favorites colors, markings, etc. I do believe that it is part of our human nature and it varies from person to person. . . "art for arts sake" -and I will go there and say that our breeding programs are a form of "art" (if you will). It can all be VERY subjective . . .that being said. I would get out my color chart/wheel and do some math. . . if you are worried about this kind of facial marking as being hereditary just find the right kind of mares (conformation, pedigree aside) to breed him too. However, are you worried that this marking will affect his Show Ring presence?? I'm not sure that a "pie face" would be the biggest deterent in a Show if ALL other attributes were amazing :D So, all this being said. . what is your gut feeling?? Do you LIKE him LIKE him or is he just an 'eh' kind of boy. . . listen to your heart

rideagoldenpony

Mar. 16, 2008, 11:08 AM

Arriving on North American soil on Tuesday, March 18, with a travelling companion. :D

Hope to have them home within a week of their trip over. We'll see how the quarantine release date goes.... Details will follow on my web site, for those of you who have been asking.

poniesforlife

Mar. 21, 2008, 12:31 AM

I can't wait to see recent pictures of him! Eyarth Zsa Zsa is an amazing mare what a cross!!

RiddleMeThis

Mar. 21, 2008, 02:32 AM

AHH!!! Hurry Hurry lol

RiddleMeThis

Mar. 27, 2008, 08:42 PM

Ok Ive waited patiently for the week lol any updates?

rideagoldenpony

Mar. 27, 2008, 11:44 PM

Ok Ive waited patiently for the week lol any updates?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... everything is taking much longer than anticipated!!! I've been on the phone off and on all day and I STILL don't know what is going on! They *might* be released tomorrow -- but then they might not be released for another WEEK!!!

On top of that there is HUGE confusion over which ponies in the load are coming to the US (in spite of my calling the quarantine facility the DAY they arrived and informing her of my two and the third that is travelling with them coming to the US, and letting her know we needed appropriate paperwork for that), and what paperwork needs to be done or HAS been done -- for which I'm getting conflicting answers.

I can tell you one thing -- these are the very LAST ponies I bring in through Canada! LA may be a lot more expensive, but they would be HOME already!

I'm very frustrated. :mad:

YankeeLawyer

Mar. 28, 2008, 12:16 AM

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... everything is taking much longer than anticipated!!! I've been on the phone off and on all day and I STILL don't know what is going on! They *might* be released tomorrow -- but then they might not be released for another WEEK!!!

On top of that there is HUGE confusion over which ponies in the load are coming to the US (in spite of my calling the quarantine facility the DAY they arrived and informing her of my two and the third that is travelling with them coming to the US, and letting her know we needed appropriate paperwork for that), and what paperwork needs to be done or HAS been done -- for which I'm getting conflicting answers.

I can tell you one thing -- these are the very LAST ponies I bring in through Canada! LA may be a lot more expensive, but they would be HOME already!

I'm very frustrated. :mad:

I would be blowing a gasket. I hope you get your ponies soon!

rideagoldenpony

Mar. 28, 2008, 12:35 AM

I would be blowing a gasket. I hope you get your ponies soon!

Unfortunately, I'm fresh out of gaskets. I used the last one already.

The whole process this time has gone badly. They were supposed to be home MONTHS ago..... it just has not gone well.

Fingers crossed it improves SOON. I just want to get these babies HOME.

LovesHorses

Mar. 28, 2008, 12:36 AM

rideagoldenpony

Mar. 28, 2008, 01:39 AM

Hey Gretchen! Glad to hear all is well. Will Mardi be doing any hunters this year?! It'll be exciting to see his foals under saddle. Marshelle's Mardi baby has been doing well on the line. He is very easy going at the shows. I'll have to take some pictures for you next time I see him. Can't wait to see your latest editions (I'm quite jealous)! -Lara

Hey Lara! Haven't heard from you in a while -- miss you!!

Mardi is staying home the first half of the season because I'm trying to finish Annie's performance points for her LOM. Once those are done, then he'll be back. I left her open to finish points this year, so I have to take advantage of it while I can!!

Still no babies here -- though will bring up Sonique to the foaling stall tomorrow! She's not even due first, but is by far making the most progress.

How are you doing? What are you up to?? Send me an e-mail!

Equilibrium

Mar. 28, 2008, 01:49 PM

I just happened across this thread and was reminded of a debacle I got myself into a couple of months ago. A friend of mine was getting a welsh pony going again for a friend. I thought she was quite snazzy as she's a liver chestnut with a couple of white socks and a nice blaze. But the most interesting marking she had was a lightning bolt on her hindquarters. She is just such a gorgeous pony I thought I'd take some pictures of her unusal markings. I called friend to ask if it would be ok and asked if she could ask the owner.

WELL, the next thing I know I have landed myself in hot water. How dare I try and sell someone else's horse. Umm, not in any way shape or form what I was doing and how does a picture equal I'm going to sell someone else's horse. And no way would I get the breeding of the mare because the woman that owns her got her on a special deal, as she's very well bred, but stallion owner in Wales does not want it to be know that her stallion could throw this kind of marking. It all seemed a bit cloak and dagger and I had images of the pony being snuck out of Wales under the cover of darkness. I'm a tad bit puzzled though because I think she is supposed to do some breed shows this summer. I'm guessing you'd need breeding for breed shows. Anyway, it ended there, not another word said. I just hadn't realized it was so uncool to have wierd markings on a Welsh. A terrible mistake on my part and one I won't be making again!

Terri

rideagoldenpony

Mar. 28, 2008, 02:00 PM

Gee, how does taking a photo of a pony constitute selling it? Good grief!

Yes, a pony needs registration papers to show at breed shows, so the breeding couldn't be THAT secret!

There is a faction within the Welsh breed that thinks white markings are eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil. I, on the other hand, value temperament, conformation and movement FIRST. And if it has some chrome too? BONUS as far as I'm concerned!!!

rideagoldenpony

Mar. 29, 2008, 12:10 AM

Thinking of importing? SPARE YOURSELF!!!! :mad: It's just been one thing after another.

More fun today -- I got the quarantine bill, which was $1000 more than I had expected. How charming.

The good news, however, is that I believe we will have them home next Thursday. Of course that remains to be seen -- but that's the latest word I've gotten. Hopefully all will go according to plan, but at least the end is in sight!!!!

Sassenach

Mar. 29, 2008, 10:06 AM

:( Hope you get him home soon safe and sound.

RiddleMeThis

Apr. 3, 2008, 12:59 AM

Ok youre probably sick of me, but any update? lol

rideagoldenpony

Apr. 3, 2008, 01:16 AM

Ok youre probably sick of me, but any update? lol

After SeaAir telling me that the vet had "forgotten" to sign the appropriate paperwork and that the release date was pushed back again, with my ensuing meltdown to the lady on the phone, then she got a piece of my mind by e-mail as well ------- they were picked up today for the first leg of their journey home.

A friend in Washington who has a Section A on the load is bringing the three of them (her one, my two) to her farm tomorrow. She is a veteran, lifetime breeder -- someone with an opinion I GREATLY respect. She called me about an hour ago to let me know she had seen the ponies and GUSHED about him for 10 minutes straight and offered to buy him if I'd changed my mind! She said I will be VERY pleased with him, and that he is everything I wanted from the mare.....

SO.... the latest (for real this time!!!) is that my husband and I are leaving home at 4 am Friday morning, to drive up and pick them up, and will be home late Friday night....

I'm so excited I can hardly stand it! Now I just wish my about-to-foal mare would get with it so I can for sure go (I HATE being left at home on this kind of trip!!) -- and also because I was up all LAST night watching a mare, and I could reeeeally use some sleep!!

Sassenach

Apr. 3, 2008, 07:16 AM

After SeaAir telling me that the vet had "forgotten" to sign the appropriate paperwork and that the release date was pushed back again, with my ensuing meltdown to the lady on the phone, then she got a piece of my mind by e-mail as well ------- they were picked up today for the first leg of their journey home.

A friend in Washington who has a Section A on the load is bringing the three of them (her one, my two) to her farm tomorrow. She is a veteran, lifetime breeder -- someone with an opinion I GREATLY respect. She called me about an hour ago to let me know she had seen the ponies and GUSHED about him for 10 minutes straight and offered to buy him if I'd changed my mind! She said I will be VERY pleased with him, and that he is everything I wanted from the mare.....

SO.... the latest (for real this time!!!) is that my husband and I are leaving home at 4 am Friday morning, to drive up and pick them up, and will be home late Friday night....

I'm so excited I can hardly stand it! Now I just wish my about-to-foal mare would get with it so I can for sure go (I HATE being left at home on this kind of trip!!) -- and also because I was up all LAST night watching a mare, and I could reeeeally use some sleep!!

Congrats!! You must be so relieved to finally have him coming home after all the wait :)

poltroon

Apr. 4, 2008, 03:29 AM

Hooray!

And if it turns out he throws too many big blazes, just breed him to gray mares. Problem solved. :D

rideagoldenpony

Apr. 5, 2008, 12:01 AM

He's home, and better than I ever dreamed. I am THRILLED. Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts in this!!!

RiddleMeThis

Apr. 5, 2008, 03:02 AM

TEASE!!! We need PICTURES!!

Halfhalting

Apr. 5, 2008, 07:17 AM

I agree, I can't wait to see pictures! My favorite pony growing up was the prettiest light chestnut/flaxen mare with a huge blaze (like his) and socks. I LOVED her so much that when I outgrew her I rode her for a year bareback - lessons and all! I hope to get one just like her for my own daughter in a few years. She was Welsh/Arab. I admit that I am in some little way trying to relive those years through my daughter, but heck, I figure there are worse things than having a mom looking for a welshx pony with *bling*, right?!?

Please post pictures of your boy!!!

katamount

Apr. 5, 2008, 07:31 AM

Gretchen, I am so glad this ordeal is over for you. What a nightmare! He's such a handsome little devil you must post pictures soon for all to see!

"Bring on the Bling!"

Sassenach

Apr. 5, 2008, 07:58 AM

Congrats!!! :D

Rhyadawn

Apr. 5, 2008, 08:58 AM

Congrats!!! You must be thrilled~!

Where are the pictures??? (please)

cottagefarm

Apr. 5, 2008, 10:41 AM

congrats Gretchen

Can't wait to see him

rideagoldenpony

Apr. 5, 2008, 11:24 AM

Thank you everyone! I'm just amazed at how much I like him -- not that I didn't expect to -- but he's just breathtaking.

However..... they never look their best, fresh off of the "import boat". I will take new pictures of him in the next few months, when he is shed out and not looking like he just got drug all over the world!!

In the meantime, you can see his foal picture at http://www.welshponies.com/eragon1month01.jpg

VirginiaBred

Apr. 5, 2008, 11:30 AM

In the meantime, you can see his foal picture at http://www.welshponies.com/eragon1month01.jpg

Knew it! :cool::winkgrin::)

Fairview Horse Center

Apr. 5, 2008, 11:31 AM

What a TOTAL CUTIE! Congratulations!

Edgewood

Apr. 5, 2008, 02:53 PM

Oh, he is BEAUTIFUL! Love the white!:D

Mel0309

Apr. 5, 2008, 03:29 PM

Really cute!

Gretchen,

My friend Anja got a sec. A pony I think on the same load. Do you know if hers has left to come to Florida yet?

CONGRATS!!!

spacely

Apr. 5, 2008, 03:31 PM

He is lovely! Congrats!

grayfox

Apr. 5, 2008, 03:52 PM

Congrats! He is beautiful.

Maddie

Apr. 5, 2008, 05:57 PM

Very nice!!! Congratulations!

Carrera

Apr. 5, 2008, 07:23 PM

Ohhhhh sooo cuuute. Let me know when he will be standing to the public. I have a solid bay hanno mare that I would love a welsh cross out of...

cottagefarm

Apr. 5, 2008, 07:54 PM

Ohhhhh sooo cuuute. Let me know when he will be standing to the public. I have a solid bay hanno mare that I would love a welsh cross out of...

Check out Gretchens Mardi for a great Welsh x Warmblood:yes:

miraclewelsh

Apr. 6, 2008, 11:36 PM

Congratulations! So glad that he's arrived home to you safe and sound. What a very exciting new arrival!

Donella

Apr. 7, 2008, 03:04 AM

OMG is he ever spectacular looking. Love the white face too. Congrats!!

rideagoldenpony

Apr. 7, 2008, 09:48 AM

Thank you so much everyone!!!

He is so much fun! His personality is "Here I am! You should meet me!" SUCH a character!!!

I got the sad news on Saturday that his GREAT dam was put down last week. :( Very sad. She was such an amazing producer. I feel so lucky to have gotten her last foal.... and he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that blaze!! :lol:

Sakura

Apr. 7, 2008, 10:11 AM

Nope, your initial concern was correct... way too much white. Fortunately for you I have one vacant stall that you can hide him in.... I promise I will save you from further embarrassment and won't let anyone know he is yours...:D.

But seriously, he is SUPER cute, congratulations!

Cinnybren

Apr. 7, 2008, 10:59 AM

OMG! I am 6' tall and he makes me want to have a pony....hmmmm if I could just convince my darling man that we need a pony for some reason. :) Seriously, congratulations!!!

rideagoldenpony

Aug. 27, 2008, 08:33 PM

Hey guys -- I finally got up to date pictures of "Mr. Over-Bling" today. You can see them at http://www.welshponies.com/eestud.htm

He was a July foal, so is 13+ months old in the photos.

I just love him. He has such a wonderful personality, and I'm really pleased with how he is maturing.

MelantheLLC

Aug. 27, 2008, 08:52 PM

He he, who care's about white, look at those eyelashes! ;)

What a doll.

pintopiaffe

Aug. 27, 2008, 08:59 PM

Wow, is it really a 'bad' think in Welsh circles?

His markings are lovely. Even though I'm a pinto fan, I'm NOT a bald-face fan many times. (I tend to tobies, and the narrower the stripe, the happier I usually am!)

But his is very delicate and actually accentuates his gorgeous, chiseled head. Of course, what's NOT to love about tall stockings. Well, except for the quicksilver one must invest in. lol!

(Your website is LOVELY by the way. Even the interesting stuff going on in the header/banner loads quickly and acts politely on my windows '98/Mozilla dinosaur! ;) )